Except that justification doesn't really work with the context of what actually happened. The scenario I posted before shows that Dake's attack was ridiculously weak, and rEdo had already voted for Dake before that point. I don't understand at all how responding by attacking is grasping at straws or not directly commenting on the attack on him itself is scummy in this situation.NoHitter wrote:
(also rEdo)
I think you're the one twisting my words here.
I'm voting rEdo because of how he replied and reacted to Dake.
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Who are you even talking to?Static Noise Bird wrote:
While on the other hand, changing opinions by looking at the game more properly shouldn't be considered a scummy move, Drezi was an improbable scum (while being a probable one for the sheer fact that they played as a "town" well), and now they are just being murky, mainly for changing their opinions. When doing so, don't be so damn mysterious and try to steer away from the fact that you are not willing to explain things properly, if you want to be taken seriously - justify your suspicions and reasonings et cetera. Is CB your scumpartner, perhaps? Semi-defending attitude at him, while trying to get rEdo hanged, while still "suspecting" both. Elaborate, for God's sake. I'm probably getting scumpoints for being curious, too, am I right?
BRBP still needs to talk more, too. I'm not going to throw a shitty lurker vote in that direction, unlike they did at a particular ex-lurker, though.
Gumica, kind of (first part of first sentence), public jabber, Drezi and more public jabber. I don't think you have even read the post.CalignoBot wrote:
Who are you even talking to?Static Noise Bird wrote:
While on the other hand, changing opinions by looking at the game more properly shouldn't be considered a scummy move, Drezi was an improbable scum (while being a probable one for the sheer fact that they played as a "town" well), and now they are just being murky, mainly for changing their opinions. When doing so, don't be so damn mysterious and try to steer away from the fact that you are not willing to explain things properly, if you want to be taken seriously - justify your suspicions and reasonings et cetera. Is CB your scumpartner, perhaps? Semi-defending attitude at him, while trying to get rEdo hanged, while still "suspecting" both. Elaborate, for God's sake. I'm probably getting scumpoints for being curious, too, am I right?
BRBP still needs to talk more, too. I'm not going to throw a shitty lurker vote in that direction, unlike they did at a particular ex-lurker, though.
@Caligno
If you look closely at what rEdo did before he attacked Dake though. He was more or less passive regarding his reads. Then suddenly when Dake voted him, he immediately attacked him. Attacking someone who attacked you is not scummy, but how rEdo's temperament changed suddenly is what bothered me.
If you look closely at what rEdo did before he attacked Dake though. He was more or less passive regarding his reads. Then suddenly when Dake voted him, he immediately attacked him. Attacking someone who attacked you is not scummy, but how rEdo's temperament changed suddenly is what bothered me.
@BRBP; forget about that. I'm not sure what I wanted to write with that sentence anymore.
@SNB; Right, looking at others and changing opinions isn't scummy. But not providing explanation and suddenly changing is.
@SNB; Right, looking at others and changing opinions isn't scummy. But not providing explanation and suddenly changing is.
Topic Starter
fartownik has been prodded.
Prod Count(cause why not)
BRBP:1
DakeDekaane:1
fartownik:1
drezi-:1
SNB:1
Gumica:1
Amazing game. Much activity on D1.
Prod Count(cause why not)
BRBP:1
DakeDekaane:1
fartownik:1
drezi-:1
SNB:1
Gumica:1
Amazing game. Much activity on D1.
Can you like shoot me to have some interesting stuff to have activity?
I can't really get much with this.
I can't really get much with this.
Shoot: DD
Topic Starter
SNB shoots a gun! The gun backfires!Static Noise Bird wrote:
Shoot: DD
*Revive again* because äpparently this set-up is scum-sided"
^Response will be the same for everyone who tries.
ShootingScore:
DakeDekaane: -10
StaticNoiseBird: -20
Next fail shot will be double the score.
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.Setsuen wrote:
Vote Count 1.8
With 9Alive, it takes 5 to lynch
StaticNoiseBird[0]
CalignoBot[0]
NoHitter[2]CalignoBot,rEdo
BRBP[0]
Gumica[0]
rEdo[L-2]-DakeDekaane,Drezi,NoHitter
fartownik[0]
DakeDekaane[0]
Drezi[1]-Gumica
Not voting:StaticNoiseBird,fartownik,BRBP
Damn it SNB, I actually wanted to die.
With context of everything rEdo has posted this game, post your thoughts on it.NoHitter wrote:
@Caligno
If you look closely at what rEdo did before he attacked Dake though. He was more or less passive regarding his reads. Then suddenly when Dake voted him, he immediately attacked him. Attacking someone who attacked you is not scummy, but how rEdo's temperament changed suddenly is what bothered me.
Alright, damn, let's vote for my strongest gut feel out of what I've got from browsing the ISOs. We should start making conclusions from D1 as it's getting close to the deadline.
Vote: NH
Vote: NH
Vote: Drezi
TL;DR from that one post - quickly voting a previous null-read, and then saying that voting their scum-read wouldn't achieve anything, while not elaborating it at all, and then trying to push that subject away from the chat when asked about it and giving "scumpoints" when asked about it.
TL;DR from that one post - quickly voting a previous null-read, and then saying that voting their scum-read wouldn't achieve anything, while not elaborating it at all, and then trying to push that subject away from the chat when asked about it and giving "scumpoints" when asked about it.
Topic Starter
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.Setsuen wrote:
Vote Count 1.9
With 9Alive, it takes 5 to lynch
StaticNoiseBird[0]
CalignoBot[0]
NoHitter[L-2]CalignoBot,rEdo,fartownik
BRBP[0]
Gumica[0]
rEdo[L-2]-DakeDekaane,Drezi,NoHitter
fartownik[0]
DakeDekaane[0]
Drezi[2]-Gumica,StaticNoiseBird
Not voting:,BRBP
Deadline is in less than 22hours time unless for some reason I'm not awake at 9:20am.........
Someone put rEdo/NH at L-1 please, else I'll put NH when I wake up. I got an idea.
Which has very low chance of working but who cares.
So now I know that you maybe have NH in your scumlist, but I don't remember jack shit about anything else you've done this game.
Meh it's too late to back out now I guess. Lynching me over RL-ing someone would be better since it would give info.
Unvote
Watch out for one of Gumica/SNB. My reads aren't enough to tell me who the other scum is sadly.
If I had to guess, it's one of the people NOT on my wagon though.
Also Cop probably already should know who to investigate.
Unvote
Watch out for one of Gumica/SNB. My reads aren't enough to tell me who the other scum is sadly.
If I had to guess, it's one of the people NOT on my wagon though.
Also Cop probably already should know who to investigate.
Actually I'd like to change my reads after looking at BRBP's post again.
The tone here is a bit condescending and is an encompassing statement which is an easy way to push suspicion without really pointing out specifics (i.e. lazy). I think BRBP is scum now.BRBP wrote:
All you post is half-assed answers to CB's questions
Basically you voted me without saying which saying which parts you thought was half-assed.
You used an encompassing statement by doing that.
You used an encompassing statement by doing that.
That is right from town perspective, but I don't like this logic when you're talking about yourself, since as town-NH you yourself is the only one you can be 100% sure is a mislynch, you shouldn't be so indifferent and willing to accept your fate that easily.NoHitter wrote:
Meh it's too late to back out now I guess. Lynching me over RL-ing someone would be better since it would give info.
Also what is that unvote supposed to mean or accomplish?
Why are you putting in extra effort to avoid the possible blame of you "making good use of DD's request as an excuse to place that vote"?BRBP wrote:
My vote is unrelated to DD's request to put him to L-1 btw. Forgot to preview and writing a post takes a long time at work.
Topic Starter
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.Setsuen wrote:
Vote Count 1.10
With 9Alive, it takes 5 to lynch
StaticNoiseBird[0]
CalignoBot[0]
NoHitter[L-1]CalignoBot,rEdo,fartownik,BRBP
BRBP[0]
Gumica[0]
rEdo[2]-DakeDekaane,Drezi
fartownik[0]
DakeDekaane[0]
Drezi[2]-Gumica,StaticNoiseBird
Not voting:NoHitter
Deadline is in less than 12hours time
Alright, BRBP.
CalignoBot - I don't even fucking know anymore.
NoHitter - Null(-town).
Gumica - Town.
rEdo - Null-town.
fartownik - Null.
DakeDekaane -Jester Null(-scum). Odd.
Drezi - Scum.
With your case, BRBP, I went from null to suspecting to null. You very well bolded the parts that show that there was just that stupid vote and the thing about scumchat, which I want to believe is actually common. Therefore null.
I'd like more reads, by the way. They tend to be oddly helpful.
CalignoBot - I don't even fucking know anymore.
NoHitter - Null(-town).
Gumica - Town.
rEdo - Null-town.
fartownik - Null.
DakeDekaane -
Drezi - Scum.
With your case, BRBP, I went from null to suspecting to null. You very well bolded the parts that show that there was just that stupid vote and the thing about scumchat, which I want to believe is actually common. Therefore null.
I'd like more reads, by the way. They tend to be oddly helpful.
Well, at least we know NH can't be the dayvig.
Next post will have reads.
Next post will have reads.
Basically, it's unlikely a counterwagon of the people I'm suspecting now will happen. But OK let's try.Drezi wrote:
That is right from town perspective, but I don't like this logic when you're talking about yourself, since as town-NH you yourself is the only one you can be 100% sure is a mislynch, you shouldn't be so indifferent and willing to accept your fate that easily.NoHitter wrote:
Meh it's too late to back out now I guess. Lynching me over RL-ing someone would be better since it would give info.
Also what is that unvote supposed to mean or accomplish?
Vote: SNB
As for my unvote, basically it's because I no longer think rEdo is scum.
OH and SNB is REALLY SCUM GUYS. LOOK AT HOW HE IS TOWNREADING ME ATM WHEN I'M ON THE LYNCH BLOCK.
Also Dake, you better hurry with your reads <7 hours left.
Topic Starter
Correction. 5hours and 49mins left.NoHitter wrote:
Also Dake, you better hurry with your reads <7 hours left.
5 hours, 49 min still is under < 7 hours
NoHitter wrote:
LOOK AT HOW HE IS TOWNREADING ME ATM WHEN I'M ON THE LYNCH BLOCK.
The exact reason why I had the "-town" in brackets. If it wasn't for the fact that you are being lynched, you would have received a bracketless null-town read from me.
Unlikely or not, what do you have to lose by trying (and possibly looking scummy by doing that) if you're town? If you can't convince us nothing changes, but your proposed course of action and the reactions to it become an additional asset, if you do manage to stop your lynch than you saved town from a 100% mislynch. Well that ship has sailed now so..
rEdo: null-scum, already stated why
SNB: null-scum, his vote on Drezi is bad as fuck.
Gumica: null, can't read him
Caligno: null, same
NH: null-town, he can't be the dayvig for me, and I can't sense scumness from him atm
Drezi is like a newb town for me, SNB voting him after Gumica just proves this even more.
farto: null-town.
BRBP: null because lack of content, but likely town.
NH: why do you think that rEdo isn't scum anymore?
SNB: null-scum, his vote on Drezi is bad as fuck.
Gumica: null, can't read him
Caligno: null, same
NH: null-town, he can't be the dayvig for me, and I can't sense scumness from him atm
Drezi is like a newb town for me, SNB voting him after Gumica just proves this even more.
farto: null-town.
BRBP: null because lack of content, but likely town.
NH: why do you think that rEdo isn't scum anymore?
@BRBP: who do you suspect more, NH or SNB?
It's just that I knew someone would have had to consider that townread a scummy move (NH himself doing so was uncalled for), and they did. :^) So basically nothing, once again.
Topic Starter
Just to add on some extra info for night actions ;3
Neighbourized people will not flip "Neighbourized" *Insert name*. They will fliip their exact roles.
Neighbour chat is for BOTH day and night.
Pretty sure there's no other stuff I missed out since everyone knows Roelblocker will go 1st.
Deadline is in 3hr 9min.
Neighbourized people will not flip "Neighbourized" *Insert name*. They will fliip their exact roles.
Neighbour chat is for BOTH day and night.
Pretty sure there's no other stuff I missed out since everyone knows Roelblocker will go 1st.
Deadline is in 3hr 9min.
alright looks like it's up to me to pull the trigger on this one.
Unvote
Vote: NH
As for my previous vote on rEdo @Gumica, SNB:
I've already expressed my suspicions concerning CB's analysis, slapping a vote to it aswell wouldn't have generated any different/more reactions.
I decided to use my vote at the same time on rEdo simply to try to move the game foreward. he was the target of a debate, and i saw a chance that people would start voting him, and those in favor of him would wagon me or someone else voting rEdo. I believed having two viable lynch targets at the same time is favorable since people have to make a choice, instead of just being able to say that they went with the flow.
Unvote
Vote: NH
As for my previous vote on rEdo @Gumica, SNB:
I've already expressed my suspicions concerning CB's analysis, slapping a vote to it aswell wouldn't have generated any different/more reactions.
I decided to use my vote at the same time on rEdo simply to try to move the game foreward. he was the target of a debate, and i saw a chance that people would start voting him, and those in favor of him would wagon me or someone else voting rEdo. I believed having two viable lynch targets at the same time is favorable since people have to make a choice, instead of just being able to say that they went with the flow.
Topic Starter
Setsuen wrote:
Vote Count 1.11
With 9Alive, it takes 5 to lynch
StaticNoiseBird[1]-NoHitter
CalignoBot[0]
NoHitter[LYNCH]CalignoBot,rEdo,fartownik,BRBP,Drezi
BRBP[0]
Gumica[0]
rEdo[2]-DakeDekaane
fartownik[0]
DakeDekaane[0]
Drezi[2]-Gumica,StaticNoiseBird
Not voting:
LYNCH SCENE COMING UP
Topic Starter
NH is so scumy
Much argument from NH
I town read NH.......
No NH is scum. His argument so horrible.
I don't know..........
Just do something! Deadline approaching.
But I.........
oh never mind! *Hammers*
*Whack* *Splat*
NoHitter the Town Villager was beaten to death by evil weapon of mass destruction which the townfolks possess.
It is now Night1. Night1 WILL end 24hours later at 16/4(Monday) 6:35am(GMT+8) Please submit your night actions by then.
Much argument from NH
I town read NH.......
No NH is scum. His argument so horrible.
I don't know..........
Just do something! Deadline approaching.
But I.........
oh never mind! *Hammers*
*Whack* *Splat*
NoHitter the Town Villager was beaten to death by evil weapon of mass destruction which the townfolks possess.
It is now Night1. Night1 WILL end 24hours later at 16/4(Monday) 6:35am(GMT+8) Please submit your night actions by then.
Topic Starter
All Night actions have been received.
Get hyped in 3hr to know what happen =P
Also Night time will end once ALL Night actions have been sent in from now on.
Get hyped in 3hr to know what happen =P
Also Night time will end once ALL Night actions have been sent in from now on.
Topic Starter
Well then.. who died?..........
I wonder who it is.
I don't know. Everyone I have good reads on is alive
Gee I wonder who died
*Murmuring going on*
OMG everyone I found out who died! It was........
Gumica the Town Villager has been stabbed to dead Night1
Oh. it's just a Town villager............. okay lets move on people.... It's not like a PR died.
I wonder who it is.
I don't know. Everyone I have good reads on is alive
Gee I wonder who died
*Murmuring going on*
OMG everyone I found out who died! It was........
Gumica the Town Villager has been stabbed to dead Night1
Oh. it's just a Town villager............. okay lets move on people.... It's not like a PR died.
I saw that coming. Biggest townread and suspected Drezi strongly.
So, morning fellows.
So, morning fellows.
Vote: Drezi
Topic Starter
If there is any mistake please inform meSetsuen wrote:
Vote Count 2.1
With 7Alive it takes 4 to lynch.
StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]
BRBP[]
rEdo[]
fartownik[]
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[1]-StaticNoiseBird
Not Voting:CalignoBot,BRBP,rEdo,fartownik,DakeDekaane
Don't you mind if I ask you to explain your townread on Gumica right? :^)Static Noise Bird wrote:
I saw that coming. Biggest townread and suspected Drezi strongly.
So, morning fellows.
I don't mind that at all.
Nothing big, just the lack of suspicious content and rather town-ish attitude, and mutual suspicions with me.
Nothing big, just the lack of suspicious content and rather town-ish attitude, and mutual suspicions with me.
where was this townish attitude?
also I'm still wondering why are you voting Drezi immediately, and i'd like to read redO's and Calignobot's thoughts on gumica's kill.
@mod: if the dayvig shoots the bp, there will be a notification or nothing will happen?
also I'm still wondering why are you voting Drezi immediately, and i'd like to read redO's and Calignobot's thoughts on gumica's kill.
@mod: if the dayvig shoots the bp, there will be a notification or nothing will happen?
In the lack of suspicious attitude. Maybe attitude is a bad word choice, I blame the fact that it's almost 7am already >__>
Voting Drezi immediately because I can change my vote if needed. If.
Voting Drezi immediately because I can change my vote if needed. If.
I'd have to do a look at the game again in order to figure that out. All I can really say as a first impression is that it looks like mafia are trying to be safe. They're probably not in a very good spot if this is right.DakeDekaane wrote:
where was this townish attitude?
also I'm still wondering why are you voting Drezi immediately, and i'd like to read redO's and Calignobot's thoughts on gumica's kill.
@mod: if the dayvig shoots the bp, there will be a notification or nothing will happen?
Topic Starter
It will goDakeDekaane wrote:
where was this townish attitude?
also I'm still wondering why are you voting Drezi immediately, and i'd like to read redO's and Calignobot's thoughts on gumica's kill.
@mod: if the dayvig shoots the bp, there will be a notification or nothing will happen?
*???* reveals a gun and shots *???* (Where ??? will NOT be mentioned)
Well that's basically ALL the notice you'll get from the day vig shooting.
No.BRBP wrote:
Does dayvig shot end the day?
Also just in case people ask this,
Doctor protection takes priority over BP.
Vote: Static Noise Bird
I'll explain in a bit more detail later, but the opening post looks incredibly staged with what's in Gumica's ISO.
I'll explain in a bit more detail later, but the opening post looks incredibly staged with what's in Gumica's ISO.
I know what you mean, but it seems very "well" planned by Drezi and his possible scummate. Not that killing the obvious town who was suspecting Drezi all along was a smart move, but it's easier to get a wagon on me now since, well, you said it. It may look staged, unfortunately, but all I wanted to say was "I told you guys".
Also reminding that you seemed highly connected to Drezi earlier, based on his vote.
Also reminding that you seemed highly connected to Drezi earlier, based on his vote.
I mean, the whole voting scenario. Not just the vote, but that why he didn't vote you as "you were his main suspect".
You were the only single one townreading him..Static Noise Bird wrote:
Not that killing the obvious town who was suspecting Drezi all along was a smart move
The one and only reason for that is you making that unreal first post. As if Gumica dieing guaranteed that his suspect was 100% scum, and there's nothing left to do now but lynch me lol. That motive for killing him is highly wifom to begin with, but his suspicion was so unfounded that it wouldn't even have to come to that in the first place.Static Noise Bird wrote:
it's easier to get a wagon on me now
I'm honestly puzzled by this tunnelvision on me.
I'm just strictly scumreading you, and I'm aware that I was pretty much the only one townreading him.
You shouldn't feel puzzled, though I know I should turn down the volume a bit from now on in my posts, anyway. I shouldn't need to elaborate any further.
You shouldn't feel puzzled, though I know I should turn down the volume a bit from now on in my posts, anyway. I shouldn't need to elaborate any further.
Topic Starter
Setsuen wrote:
If there is any mistake please inform meSetsuen wrote:
Vote Count 2.2
With 7Alive it takes 4 to lynch.
StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]
BRBP[]
rEdo[]
fartownik[]
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[1]-StaticNoiseBird
NoLynch[1]-BRBP
Not Voting:CalignoBot,rEdo,fartownik,DakeDekaane
CalignoBot,rEdo,fartownik and DakeDekaane have been prodded.Setsuen wrote:
Prod Count(cause why not)
CalignoBot;1
BRBP:1
rEdo:1
DakeDekaane:2
fartownik:2
drezi-:1
SNB:1Gumica:1
what the fuck with that NL vote
Care to explain?
If were going to be retarded let's all vote SNB.
If were going to be retarded let's all vote SNB.
Good plan.DakeDekaane wrote:
If were going to be retarded let's all vote SNB.
Unvote
Vote: SNB
Unvote
Vote: Drezi
Vote: Drezi
SNB: Your reads right now would be very informative.
Drezi: Who is scum?
BRBP: Who is scum?
fartownik: Do you exist?
I'm like 80% sure that SNB is scum now. I'll amend this once I have a better idea of where his head is fully right now.
Drezi: Who is scum?
BRBP: Who is scum?
fartownik: Do you exist?
I'm like 80% sure that SNB is scum now. I'll amend this once I have a better idea of where his head is fully right now.
Not that many things have changed, aside from the dead townreads.
CalignoBot - Null(-scum).
rEdo - Null-town.
fartownik - Null.
DakeDekaane - Null(-scum).
Drezi - Scum.
BRBP - Null.
I'm (still) counting on Drezi-CB or Drezi-DD scumteams. BRBP has taken the Jester role for now and DD is playing like in the previous game, where he wasn't a scum - wifom master much.
CalignoBot - Null(-scum).
rEdo - Null-town.
fartownik - Null.
DakeDekaane - Null(-scum).
Drezi - Scum.
BRBP - Null.
I'm (still) counting on Drezi-CB or Drezi-DD scumteams. BRBP has taken the Jester role for now and DD is playing like in the previous game, where he wasn't a scum - wifom master much.
To be honest I don't really think SNB is scum, why would they make the risky play of going all out on trying to get me lynched, when all they need is one more mislynch on anyone? This can be wifomed though..
But I don't think he's cop or doc either, since if he was cop I would've been investigated N1 and he wouldn't be accusing me now, and he probably isn't doc either since he "saw Gumica's kill coming" but didn't protect him...
Also 2 out of 3 VTs have died so we have only one of each role left.. maybe SNB should claim?
But I don't think he's cop or doc either, since if he was cop I would've been investigated N1 and he wouldn't be accusing me now, and he probably isn't doc either since he "saw Gumica's kill coming" but didn't protect him...
Also 2 out of 3 VTs have died so we have only one of each role left.. maybe SNB should claim?
Actually that's an interesting idea.
Because I obviously don't want mislynches and I'm still rather sure that you are scum.Drezi wrote:
To be honest I don't really think SNB is scum, why would they make the risky play of going all out on trying to get me lynched, when all they need is one more mislynch on anyone?
Sure, I guess I have nothing to lose.Drezi wrote:
maybe SNB should claim?
Claim: Vanilla Townie
You should have waited with that reply to see what others have to say about the idea of having you claim imo -.-'
I was writing "Explain" already, but then saw DD's reply and thought that it's apparently a good enough idea. Slow paced enough already, so I don't want to wait 8 hours between every post.
No, it's not about whether you should or shouldn't have done it. Waiting to see what people have to say about it (if they agree why, if they're against it why) could have been more material to work with later.
This just help us to either find one scum or reduce the possible nightkills/vigshot for scum, so it's not that hurtful, imo.
Sorry for the inactivity, got suddenly busy with work, and had to clean and format my PC today. Will catch up tomorrow morning.
SNB: Here's the problem with your entire case. It's statements like these:
Just look at all those statements together. He admits twice that his Gumica-dying case isn't as strong as he made it out to be, and the only real reason he ever gave in day one for why Drezi is scum came from a single point where Drezi changed a vote (not really counting his 'link' to me in that long paragraph since it both happened before the other point and because it's a very weak association), yet that was enough to launch him straight to the top of the scum list.
Note that even through the above, he still tunnel visioned on Drezi being scum and just reiterating it over and over again. He's not trying to convince anyone that he is right. On the contrary, he even stated that he shouldn't even have to... despite the wagon never gaining any steam. He's not trying to reinforce his read at all, only trying to passively defend.
This is scum behavior, not town behavior.
Static Noise Bird wrote:
Voting Drezi immediately because I can change my vote if needed. If.
Static Noise Bird wrote:
I know what you [CB, RE: staged accusation] mean, but it seems very "well" planned by Drezi and his possible scummate.
Static Noise Bird wrote:
It may look staged, unfortunately, but all I wanted to say was "I told you guys".
Static Noise Bird wrote:
I'm just strictly scumreading you, and I'm aware that I was pretty much the only one townreading him.
Static Noise Bird wrote:
I'm (still) counting on Drezi-CB or Drezi-DD scumteams.
All are referencing Drezi in some way, whether directly or by how Gumica dying affects his [SNB's] read on him [Drezi].Static Noise Bird wrote:
I'm still rather sure that you [Drezi] are scum.
Just look at all those statements together. He admits twice that his Gumica-dying case isn't as strong as he made it out to be, and the only real reason he ever gave in day one for why Drezi is scum came from a single point where Drezi changed a vote (not really counting his 'link' to me in that long paragraph since it both happened before the other point and because it's a very weak association), yet that was enough to launch him straight to the top of the scum list.
Note that even through the above, he still tunnel visioned on Drezi being scum and just reiterating it over and over again. He's not trying to convince anyone that he is right. On the contrary, he even stated that he shouldn't even have to... despite the wagon never gaining any steam. He's not trying to reinforce his read at all, only trying to passively defend.
This is scum behavior, not town behavior.
@MOD: You missed this post.
CalignoBot wrote:
Vote: Static Noise Bird
I'll explain in a bit more detail later, but the opening post looks incredibly staged with what's in Gumica's ISO.
Gumica's dying didn't affect my read on Drezi. I just went from scumread to more strict scumread.CalignoBot wrote:
All are referencing Drezi in some way, whether directly or by how Gumica dying affects his [SNB's] read on him [Drezi].
I don't understand this a single bit, but I can only assume that this is a highly scumpainting sentence by the accusing tone of it.CalignoBot wrote:
He admits twice that his Gumica-dying case isn't as strong as he made it out to be
...and still hasn't elaborated it. Unless rEdo flips scum at some point, I'm strongly accusing Drezi of a random unjustified mislynch attempt, while trying to stay out of the wagon.CalignoBot wrote:
the only real reason he ever gave in day one for why Drezi is scum came from a single point where Drezi changed a vote
Right. People apparently want to focus on accusing other people at the moment, which I'm sure you and Drezi would be fine with. That being said, not sure why are you defending Drezi even more at this point, because the link between you two is becoming stronger by every post of yours.CalignoBot wrote:
He's not trying to convince anyone that he is right. On the contrary, he even stated that he shouldn't even have to... despite the wagon never gaining any steam.
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Sorry guys, I hate to be fucking busy 24/7. I will post something worthy wherever I take care of uni stuff. I've got a free day tomorrow so it should be that.
I'm back, sorry.
SNB, do you have any other reasons to suspect Drezi than the Gumica association? I can't really find anything else while rereading your ISO several times, unless I'm completely retarded.
This seems more of a newbie town behaviour rather than a scummy one. Not to mention that you were nullreading him a few posts before as well.Static Noise Bird wrote:
Vote: Drezi
TL;DR from that one post - quickly voting a previous null-read, and then saying that voting their scum-read wouldn't achieve anything, while not elaborating it at all, and then trying to push that subject away from the chat when asked about it and giving "scumpoints" when asked about it.
Static Noise Bird wrote:
Voting Drezi immediately because I can change my vote if needed. If.
The first sentence implies that you aren't that sure of Drezi being scum, while the latter one indicates the otherwise. Now that's interesting.Static Noise Bird wrote:
Because I obviously don't want mislynches and I'm still rather sure that you are scum. (that was directed to Drezi in that post)
SNB, do you have any other reasons to suspect Drezi than the Gumica association? I can't really find anything else while rereading your ISO several times, unless I'm completely retarded.
No. It's just that if someone else starts behaving scummy and a wagon emerges, I may jump on that, if it's a probable enough scum.rEdo wrote:
The first sentence implies that you aren't that sure of Drezi being scum.
The unjustified vote, like explained in the previous post of mine.rEdo wrote:
SNB, do you have any other reasons to suspect Drezi than the Gumica association? I can't really find anything else while rereading your ISO several times, unless I'm completely retarded.
Unjustified vote? It's D1 hardly out of RVS, all I wanted was fish for reactions/more votes by placing a vote on someone who was the target of conflicting opinions (as I said already), and I didn't want to explicitly state this reason right away at the time. Doesn't town need to start voting people for something to happen?
I realize now that it was a bad play, drawing all this suspicion to me for no good reason... but i'm not sure THIS is justified though...
I realize now that it was a bad play, drawing all this suspicion to me for no good reason... but i'm not sure THIS is justified though...
Lolvoting to fish reactions is badly justified, but at least that's some kind of an explanation, now.
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This doesn't even make sense. How does something changing a scumread to a more 'strict' scumread mean it wasn't affected by that something?Static Noise Bird wrote:
Gumica's dying didn't affect my read on Drezi. I just went from scumread to more strict scumread.CalignoBot wrote:
All are referencing Drezi in some way, whether directly or by how Gumica dying affects his [SNB's] read on him [Drezi].
Here are the two quotes I was referring to:Static Noise Bird wrote:
I don't understand this a single bit, but I can only assume that this is a highly scumpainting sentence by the accusing tone of it.CalignoBot wrote:
He admits twice that his Gumica-dying case isn't as strong as he made it out to be
Static Noise Bird wrote:
It may look staged, unfortunately, but all I wanted to say was "I told you guys".
It's your job to make people believe that it wasn't staged. That statement you add right after admitting that it can look that way doesn't do that. Stating that you're aware you were the only one that line of logic applied to only drives that point home. You're trying to push a wagon without giving anyone a reason to believe that you're genuine.Static Noise Bird wrote:
I'm just strictly scumreading you, and I'm aware that I was pretty much the only one townreading him.
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...What? Trying to stay out of the wagon?Static Noise Bird wrote:
...and still hasn't elaborated it. Unless rEdo flips scum at some point, I'm strongly accusing Drezi of a random unjustified mislynch attempt, while trying to stay out of the wagon.CalignoBot wrote:
the only real reason he ever gave in day one for why Drezi is scum came from a single point where Drezi changed a vote
I don't recall giving any sort of read or really addressing Drezi in any way that would justify this claim. Pretty much my entire case on you is about how you're attacking rather than the actual attack itself. You went out of the gate with a full suite of pressure on one person, then actively avoided trying to convince anyone that you're correct for the vast majority of this debate. Meanwhile, you're trying to discredit the attacks on you with strawman arguments and unfounded assumptions.Static Noise Bird wrote:
Right. People apparently want to focus on accusing other people at the moment, which I'm sure you and Drezi would be fine with. That being said, not sure why are you defending Drezi even more at this point, because the link between you two is becoming stronger by every post of yours.CalignoBot wrote:
He's not trying to convince anyone that he is right. On the contrary, he even stated that he shouldn't even have to... despite the wagon never gaining any steam.
Alright, there's just a bunch of accusations and other crap in there, so I'll respond shortly to the 2 things that mostly caught my attention.
Holy shit, don't make yourself sound stupid now, will you.CalignoBot wrote:
It's your job to make people believe that it wasn't staged.
I only now realized that he actually did unvote rEdo later on just to hammer NH. Shouldn't I take this as a third reason to suspect him? Because I probably will.CalignoBot wrote:
...What? Trying to stay out of the wagon?
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