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Debatable Mafia: Game Over! Town PRs survives!

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NoHitter
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NoHitter

CalignoBot wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

Redo's answer to dake's remarks is even more interesting. They bear a bit of straw grasping a bit, and instead of directly commenting, goes to attack Dake in a "you did something more suspicious" tone.
Unvote: DakeDekaane
Vote: NoHitter

Dake's first reason for voting rEdo was the single most straw-grasping thing in the entire thread thus far and the second reason applies to half of the playerlist.

This entire set of reasoning gives me an entirely bad feeling all around. He's not trying to find scum with this. He's trying to twist a situation to make it look like he is.
(also rEdo)
I think you're the one twisting my words here.
I'm voting rEdo because of how he replied and reacted to Dake.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Birdy
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Birdy
That was more an asshole move than a nervous move, just saying.
Setsuen
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Setsuen

BRBP wrote:

Mod when is the deadline?
Deadline is in 49hr 40min from this post.


Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 1.7
With 9Alive, it takes 5 to lynch

StaticNoiseBird[0]
CalignoBot[0]
NoHitter[1]CalignoBot
BRBP[0]
Gumica[0]
rEdo[L-2]-DakeDekaane,Drezi,NoHitter
fartownik[0]
DakeDekaane[1]-rEdo
Drezi[1]-Gumica
Not voting:StaticNoiseBird,fartownik,BRBP
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.
rEdo
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rEdo

NoHitter wrote:

I'm voting rEdo because of how he replied and reacted to Dake.
And this is everything you've got to say?

Unvote
Vote: NoHitter
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki

NoHitter wrote:

(also rEdo)
I think you're the one twisting my words here.
I'm voting rEdo because of how he replied and reacted to Dake.
Except that justification doesn't really work with the context of what actually happened. The scenario I posted before shows that Dake's attack was ridiculously weak, and rEdo had already voted for Dake before that point. I don't understand at all how responding by attacking is grasping at straws or not directly commenting on the attack on him itself is scummy in this situation.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki

Static Noise Bird wrote:

While on the other hand, changing opinions by looking at the game more properly shouldn't be considered a scummy move, Drezi was an improbable scum (while being a probable one for the sheer fact that they played as a "town" well), and now they are just being murky, mainly for changing their opinions. When doing so, don't be so damn mysterious and try to steer away from the fact that you are not willing to explain things properly, if you want to be taken seriously - justify your suspicions and reasonings et cetera. Is CB your scumpartner, perhaps? Semi-defending attitude at him, while trying to get rEdo hanged, while still "suspecting" both. Elaborate, for God's sake. I'm probably getting scumpoints for being curious, too, am I right?

BRBP still needs to talk more, too. I'm not going to throw a shitty lurker vote in that direction, unlike they did at a particular ex-lurker, though.
Who are you even talking to?
Birdy
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Birdy

CalignoBot wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

While on the other hand, changing opinions by looking at the game more properly shouldn't be considered a scummy move, Drezi was an improbable scum (while being a probable one for the sheer fact that they played as a "town" well), and now they are just being murky, mainly for changing their opinions. When doing so, don't be so damn mysterious and try to steer away from the fact that you are not willing to explain things properly, if you want to be taken seriously - justify your suspicions and reasonings et cetera. Is CB your scumpartner, perhaps? Semi-defending attitude at him, while trying to get rEdo hanged, while still "suspecting" both. Elaborate, for God's sake. I'm probably getting scumpoints for being curious, too, am I right?

BRBP still needs to talk more, too. I'm not going to throw a shitty lurker vote in that direction, unlike they did at a particular ex-lurker, though.
Who are you even talking to?
Gumica, kind of (first part of first sentence), public jabber, Drezi and more public jabber. I don't think you have even read the post.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
@Caligno
If you look closely at what rEdo did before he attacked Dake though. He was more or less passive regarding his reads. Then suddenly when Dake voted him, he immediately attacked him. Attacking someone who attacked you is not scummy, but how rEdo's temperament changed suddenly is what bothered me.
Gumica
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Gumica
@BRBP; forget about that. I'm not sure what I wanted to write with that sentence anymore.
@SNB; Right, looking at others and changing opinions isn't scummy. But not providing explanation and suddenly changing is.
Drezi
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Drezi
prod farto please
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen
fartownik has been prodded.

Prod Count(cause why not)
BRBP:1
DakeDekaane:1
fartownik:1
drezi-:1
SNB:1
Gumica:1
Amazing game. Much activity on D1.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Can you like shoot me to have some interesting stuff to have activity?

I can't really get much with this.
Birdy
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Birdy
Shoot: DD
Setsuen
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Setsuen

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Shoot: DD
SNB shoots a gun! The gun backfires!
*Revive again* because äpparently this set-up is scum-sided"
^Response will be the same for everyone who tries.

ShootingScore:
DakeDekaane: -10
StaticNoiseBird: -20
Next fail shot will be double the score.


Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 1.8
With 9Alive, it takes 5 to lynch

StaticNoiseBird[0]
CalignoBot[0]
NoHitter[2]CalignoBot,rEdo
BRBP[0]
Gumica[0]
rEdo[L-2]-DakeDekaane,Drezi,NoHitter
fartownik[0]
DakeDekaane[0]
Drezi[1]-Gumica
Not voting:StaticNoiseBird,fartownik,BRBP
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Damn it SNB, I actually wanted to die.
Gumica
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Gumica
wifom masters
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki

NoHitter wrote:

@Caligno
If you look closely at what rEdo did before he attacked Dake though. He was more or less passive regarding his reads. Then suddenly when Dake voted him, he immediately attacked him. Attacking someone who attacked you is not scummy, but how rEdo's temperament changed suddenly is what bothered me.
With context of everything rEdo has posted this game, post your thoughts on it.
rEdo
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rEdo
Prod dodge for now, will post once I'm awake.
fartownik
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fartownik
Alright, damn, let's vote for my strongest gut feel out of what I've got from browsing the ISOs. We should start making conclusions from D1 as it's getting close to the deadline.

Vote: NH
Birdy
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Birdy
Vote: Drezi

TL;DR from that one post - quickly voting a previous null-read, and then saying that voting their scum-read wouldn't achieve anything, while not elaborating it at all, and then trying to push that subject away from the chat when asked about it and giving "scumpoints" when asked about it.
Setsuen
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Topic Starter
Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 1.9
With 9Alive, it takes 5 to lynch

StaticNoiseBird[0]
CalignoBot[0]
NoHitter[L-2]CalignoBot,rEdo,fartownik
BRBP[0]
Gumica[0]
rEdo[L-2]-DakeDekaane,Drezi,NoHitter
fartownik[0]
DakeDekaane[0]
Drezi[2]-Gumica,StaticNoiseBird
Not voting:,BRBP
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.
Deadline is in less than 22hours time unless for some reason I'm not awake at 9:20am.........
DakeDekaane
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Someone put rEdo/NH at L-1 please, else I'll put NH when I wake up. I got an idea.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Which has very low chance of working but who cares.
Amianki
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Amianki
:|

So now I know that you maybe have NH in your scumlist, but I don't remember jack shit about anything else you've done this game.
VoidnOwO
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:)
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VoidnOwO
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:)
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NoHitter
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Meh it's too late to back out now I guess. Lynching me over RL-ing someone would be better since it would give info.

Unvote

Watch out for one of Gumica/SNB. My reads aren't enough to tell me who the other scum is sadly.
If I had to guess, it's one of the people NOT on my wagon though.

Also Cop probably already should know who to investigate.
NoHitter
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Actually I'd like to change my reads after looking at BRBP's post again.

BRBP wrote:

All you post is half-assed answers to CB's questions
The tone here is a bit condescending and is an encompassing statement which is an easy way to push suspicion without really pointing out specifics (i.e. lazy). I think BRBP is scum now.
VoidnOwO
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:)
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NoHitter
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Basically you voted me without saying which saying which parts you thought was half-assed.
You used an encompassing statement by doing that.
Drezi
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Drezi

NoHitter wrote:

Meh it's too late to back out now I guess. Lynching me over RL-ing someone would be better since it would give info.
That is right from town perspective, but I don't like this logic when you're talking about yourself, since as town-NH you yourself is the only one you can be 100% sure is a mislynch, you shouldn't be so indifferent and willing to accept your fate that easily.

Also what is that unvote supposed to mean or accomplish?

BRBP wrote:

My vote is unrelated to DD's request to put him to L-1 btw. Forgot to preview and writing a post takes a long time at work.
Why are you putting in extra effort to avoid the possible blame of you "making good use of DD's request as an excuse to place that vote"?
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Setsuen
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Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 1.10
With 9Alive, it takes 5 to lynch

StaticNoiseBird[0]
CalignoBot[0]
NoHitter[L-1]CalignoBot,rEdo,fartownik,BRBP
BRBP[0]
Gumica[0]
rEdo[2]-DakeDekaane,Drezi
fartownik[0]
DakeDekaane[0]
Drezi[2]-Gumica,StaticNoiseBird
Not voting:NoHitter
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.
Deadline is in less than 12hours time
Birdy
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Birdy
Alright, BRBP.

CalignoBot - I don't even fucking know anymore.
NoHitter - Null(-town).
Gumica - Town.
rEdo - Null-town.
fartownik - Null.
DakeDekaane - Jester Null(-scum). Odd.
Drezi - Scum.

With your case, BRBP, I went from null to suspecting to null. You very well bolded the parts that show that there was just that stupid vote and the thing about scumchat, which I want to believe is actually common. Therefore null.

I'd like more reads, by the way. They tend to be oddly helpful.
DakeDekaane
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Well, at least we know NH can't be the dayvig.

Next post will have reads.
NoHitter
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NoHitter

Drezi wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

Meh it's too late to back out now I guess. Lynching me over RL-ing someone would be better since it would give info.
That is right from town perspective, but I don't like this logic when you're talking about yourself, since as town-NH you yourself is the only one you can be 100% sure is a mislynch, you shouldn't be so indifferent and willing to accept your fate that easily.

Also what is that unvote supposed to mean or accomplish?
Basically, it's unlikely a counterwagon of the people I'm suspecting now will happen. But OK let's try.
Vote: SNB

As for my unvote, basically it's because I no longer think rEdo is scum.

OH and SNB is REALLY SCUM GUYS. LOOK AT HOW HE IS TOWNREADING ME ATM WHEN I'M ON THE LYNCH BLOCK.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Also Dake, you better hurry with your reads <7 hours left.
Setsuen
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Setsuen

NoHitter wrote:

Also Dake, you better hurry with your reads <7 hours left.
Correction. 5hours and 49mins left.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
5 hours, 49 min still is under < 7 hours
Birdy
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Birdy

NoHitter wrote:

LOOK AT HOW HE IS TOWNREADING ME ATM WHEN I'M ON THE LYNCH BLOCK.


The exact reason why I had the "-town" in brackets. If it wasn't for the fact that you are being lynched, you would have received a bracketless null-town read from me.
Drezi
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Drezi
Unlikely or not, what do you have to lose by trying (and possibly looking scummy by doing that) if you're town? If you can't convince us nothing changes, but your proposed course of action and the reactions to it become an additional asset, if you do manage to stop your lynch than you saved town from a 100% mislynch. Well that ship has sailed now so..
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
rEdo: null-scum, already stated why
SNB: null-scum, his vote on Drezi is bad as fuck.
Gumica: null, can't read him
Caligno: null, same
NH: null-town, he can't be the dayvig for me, and I can't sense scumness from him atm
Drezi is like a newb town for me, SNB voting him after Gumica just proves this even more.
farto: null-town.
BRBP: null because lack of content, but likely town.

NH: why do you think that rEdo isn't scum anymore?
DakeDekaane
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@BRBP: who do you suspect more, NH or SNB?
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Birdy
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It's just that I knew someone would have had to consider that townread a scummy move (NH himself doing so was uncalled for), and they did. :^) So basically nothing, once again.
Setsuen
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Setsuen
Just to add on some extra info for night actions ;3

Neighbourized people will not flip "Neighbourized" *Insert name*. They will fliip their exact roles.
Neighbour chat is for BOTH day and night.

Pretty sure there's no other stuff I missed out since everyone knows Roelblocker will go 1st.

Deadline is in 3hr 9min.
Drezi
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Drezi
alright looks like it's up to me to pull the trigger on this one.

Unvote
Vote: NH

As for my previous vote on rEdo @Gumica, SNB:
I've already expressed my suspicions concerning CB's analysis, slapping a vote to it aswell wouldn't have generated any different/more reactions.

I decided to use my vote at the same time on rEdo simply to try to move the game foreward. he was the target of a debate, and i saw a chance that people would start voting him, and those in favor of him would wagon me or someone else voting rEdo. I believed having two viable lynch targets at the same time is favorable since people have to make a choice, instead of just being able to say that they went with the flow.
Setsuen
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Topic Starter
Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 1.11
With 9Alive, it takes 5 to lynch

StaticNoiseBird[1]-NoHitter
CalignoBot[0]
NoHitter[LYNCH]CalignoBot,rEdo,fartownik,BRBP,Drezi
BRBP[0]
Gumica[0]
rEdo[2]-DakeDekaane
fartownik[0]
DakeDekaane[0]
Drezi[2]-Gumica,StaticNoiseBird
Not voting:

LYNCH SCENE COMING UP
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Setsuen
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Setsuen
NH is so scumy
Much argument from NH
I town read NH.......
No NH is scum. His argument so horrible.
I don't know..........
Just do something! Deadline approaching.
But I.........
oh never mind! *Hammers*

*Whack* *Splat*
NoHitter the Town Villager was beaten to death by evil weapon of mass destruction which the townfolks possess.


It is now Night1. Night1 WILL end 24hours later at 16/4(Monday) 6:35am(GMT+8) Please submit your night actions by then.
Setsuen
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Setsuen
All Night actions have been received.
Get hyped in 3hr to know what happen =P

Also Night time will end once ALL Night actions have been sent in from now on.
Setsuen
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Topic Starter
Setsuen
Well then.. who died?..........
I wonder who it is.
I don't know. Everyone I have good reads on is alive
Gee I wonder who died
*Murmuring going on*
OMG everyone I found out who died! It was........


Gumica the Town Villager has been stabbed to dead Night1

Oh. it's just a Town villager............. okay lets move on people.... It's not like a PR died.
Birdy
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Birdy
I saw that coming. Biggest townread and suspected Drezi strongly.

So, morning fellows.
Birdy
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Birdy
Vote: Drezi
Setsuen
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Topic Starter
Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 2.1
With 7Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]
BRBP[]
rEdo[]
fartownik[]
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[1]-StaticNoiseBird
Not Voting:CalignoBot,BRBP,rEdo,fartownik,DakeDekaane
If there is any mistake please inform me
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I saw that coming. Biggest townread and suspected Drezi strongly.

So, morning fellows.
Don't you mind if I ask you to explain your townread on Gumica right? :^)
Birdy
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Birdy
I don't mind that at all.
Nothing big, just the lack of suspicious content and rather town-ish attitude, and mutual suspicions with me.
DakeDekaane
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where was this townish attitude?

also I'm still wondering why are you voting Drezi immediately, and i'd like to read redO's and Calignobot's thoughts on gumica's kill.

@mod: if the dayvig shoots the bp, there will be a notification or nothing will happen?
Birdy
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Birdy
In the lack of suspicious attitude. Maybe attitude is a bad word choice, I blame the fact that it's almost 7am already >__>

Voting Drezi immediately because I can change my vote if needed. If.
Amianki
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Amianki

DakeDekaane wrote:

where was this townish attitude?

also I'm still wondering why are you voting Drezi immediately, and i'd like to read redO's and Calignobot's thoughts on gumica's kill.

@mod: if the dayvig shoots the bp, there will be a notification or nothing will happen?
I'd have to do a look at the game again in order to figure that out. All I can really say as a first impression is that it looks like mafia are trying to be safe. They're probably not in a very good spot if this is right.
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Setsuen
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Setsuen

DakeDekaane wrote:

where was this townish attitude?

also I'm still wondering why are you voting Drezi immediately, and i'd like to read redO's and Calignobot's thoughts on gumica's kill.

@mod: if the dayvig shoots the bp, there will be a notification or nothing will happen?
It will go
*???* reveals a gun and shots *???* (Where ??? will NOT be mentioned)
Well that's basically ALL the notice you'll get from the day vig shooting.

BRBP wrote:

Does dayvig shot end the day?
No.

Also just in case people ask this,
Doctor protection takes priority over BP.
Amianki
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Amianki
Vote: Static Noise Bird

I'll explain in a bit more detail later, but the opening post looks incredibly staged with what's in Gumica's ISO.
Birdy
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Birdy
I know what you mean, but it seems very "well" planned by Drezi and his possible scummate. Not that killing the obvious town who was suspecting Drezi all along was a smart move, but it's easier to get a wagon on me now since, well, you said it. It may look staged, unfortunately, but all I wanted to say was "I told you guys".

Also reminding that you seemed highly connected to Drezi earlier, based on his vote.
Birdy
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Birdy
I mean, the whole voting scenario. Not just the vote, but that why he didn't vote you as "you were his main suspect".
Drezi
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Drezi

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Not that killing the obvious town who was suspecting Drezi all along was a smart move
You were the only single one townreading him..

Static Noise Bird wrote:

it's easier to get a wagon on me now
The one and only reason for that is you making that unreal first post. As if Gumica dieing guaranteed that his suspect was 100% scum, and there's nothing left to do now but lynch me lol. That motive for killing him is highly wifom to begin with, but his suspicion was so unfounded that it wouldn't even have to come to that in the first place.

I'm honestly puzzled by this tunnelvision on me.
Birdy
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Birdy
I'm just strictly scumreading you, and I'm aware that I was pretty much the only one townreading him.

You shouldn't feel puzzled, though I know I should turn down the volume a bit from now on in my posts, anyway. I shouldn't need to elaborate any further.
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Setsuen
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Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 2.2
With 7Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]
BRBP[]
rEdo[]
fartownik[]
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[1]-StaticNoiseBird
NoLynch[1]-BRBP
Not Voting:CalignoBot,rEdo,fartownik,DakeDekaane
If there is any mistake please inform me

CalignoBot,rEdo,fartownik and DakeDekaane have been prodded.

Setsuen wrote:


Prod Count(cause why not)
CalignoBot;1
BRBP:1
rEdo:1
DakeDekaane:2
fartownik:2
drezi-:1
SNB:1
Gumica:1
DakeDekaane
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what the fuck with that NL vote
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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DakeDekaane
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Care to explain?

If were going to be retarded let's all vote SNB.
Birdy
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DakeDekaane wrote:

If were going to be retarded let's all vote SNB.
Good plan.

Unvote
Vote: SNB
Birdy
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Unvote
Vote: Drezi
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Amianki
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SNB: Your reads right now would be very informative.

Drezi: Who is scum?

BRBP: Who is scum?

fartownik: Do you exist?

I'm like 80% sure that SNB is scum now. I'll amend this once I have a better idea of where his head is fully right now.
Birdy
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Birdy
Not that many things have changed, aside from the dead townreads.

CalignoBot - Null(-scum).
rEdo - Null-town.
fartownik - Null.
DakeDekaane - Null(-scum).
Drezi - Scum.
BRBP - Null.

I'm (still) counting on Drezi-CB or Drezi-DD scumteams. BRBP has taken the Jester role for now and DD is playing like in the previous game, where he wasn't a scum - wifom master much.
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Drezi
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Drezi
To be honest I don't really think SNB is scum, why would they make the risky play of going all out on trying to get me lynched, when all they need is one more mislynch on anyone? This can be wifomed though..

But I don't think he's cop or doc either, since if he was cop I would've been investigated N1 and he wouldn't be accusing me now, and he probably isn't doc either since he "saw Gumica's kill coming" but didn't protect him...

Also 2 out of 3 VTs have died so we have only one of each role left.. maybe SNB should claim?
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Actually that's an interesting idea.
Birdy
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Birdy

Drezi wrote:

To be honest I don't really think SNB is scum, why would they make the risky play of going all out on trying to get me lynched, when all they need is one more mislynch on anyone?
Because I obviously don't want mislynches and I'm still rather sure that you are scum.

Drezi wrote:

maybe SNB should claim?
Sure, I guess I have nothing to lose.

Claim: Vanilla Townie
Drezi
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Drezi
You should have waited with that reply to see what others have to say about the idea of having you claim imo -.-'
Birdy
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Birdy
I was writing "Explain" already, but then saw DD's reply and thought that it's apparently a good enough idea. Slow paced enough already, so I don't want to wait 8 hours between every post.
Drezi
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Drezi
No, it's not about whether you should or shouldn't have done it. Waiting to see what people have to say about it (if they agree why, if they're against it why) could have been more material to work with later.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
This just help us to either find one scum or reduce the possible nightkills/vigshot for scum, so it's not that hurtful, imo.
rEdo
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rEdo
Sorry for the inactivity, got suddenly busy with work, and had to clean and format my PC today. Will catch up tomorrow morning.
Amianki
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Amianki
SNB: Here's the problem with your entire case. It's statements like these:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Voting Drezi immediately because I can change my vote if needed. If.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I know what you [CB, RE: staged accusation] mean, but it seems very "well" planned by Drezi and his possible scummate.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

It may look staged, unfortunately, but all I wanted to say was "I told you guys".

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm just strictly scumreading you, and I'm aware that I was pretty much the only one townreading him.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm (still) counting on Drezi-CB or Drezi-DD scumteams.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm still rather sure that you [Drezi] are scum.
All are referencing Drezi in some way, whether directly or by how Gumica dying affects his [SNB's] read on him [Drezi].

Just look at all those statements together. He admits twice that his Gumica-dying case isn't as strong as he made it out to be, and the only real reason he ever gave in day one for why Drezi is scum came from a single point where Drezi changed a vote (not really counting his 'link' to me in that long paragraph since it both happened before the other point and because it's a very weak association), yet that was enough to launch him straight to the top of the scum list.

Note that even through the above, he still tunnel visioned on Drezi being scum and just reiterating it over and over again. He's not trying to convince anyone that he is right. On the contrary, he even stated that he shouldn't even have to... despite the wagon never gaining any steam. He's not trying to reinforce his read at all, only trying to passively defend.

This is scum behavior, not town behavior.
Amianki
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Amianki
@MOD: You missed this post.

CalignoBot wrote:

Vote: Static Noise Bird

I'll explain in a bit more detail later, but the opening post looks incredibly staged with what's in Gumica's ISO.
Birdy
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Birdy

CalignoBot wrote:

All are referencing Drezi in some way, whether directly or by how Gumica dying affects his [SNB's] read on him [Drezi].
Gumica's dying didn't affect my read on Drezi. I just went from scumread to more strict scumread.

CalignoBot wrote:

He admits twice that his Gumica-dying case isn't as strong as he made it out to be
I don't understand this a single bit, but I can only assume that this is a highly scumpainting sentence by the accusing tone of it.

CalignoBot wrote:

the only real reason he ever gave in day one for why Drezi is scum came from a single point where Drezi changed a vote
...and still hasn't elaborated it. Unless rEdo flips scum at some point, I'm strongly accusing Drezi of a random unjustified mislynch attempt, while trying to stay out of the wagon.

CalignoBot wrote:

He's not trying to convince anyone that he is right. On the contrary, he even stated that he shouldn't even have to... despite the wagon never gaining any steam.
Right. People apparently want to focus on accusing other people at the moment, which I'm sure you and Drezi would be fine with. That being said, not sure why are you defending Drezi even more at this point, because the link between you two is becoming stronger by every post of yours.
Setsuen
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Topic Starter
Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 2.3
With 7Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

StaticNoiseBird[1]-CalignoBot
CalignoBot[]
BRBP[]
rEdo[]
fartownik[]
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[1]-StaticNoiseBird
NoLynch[1]-BRBP
Not Voting:rEdo,fartownik,DakeDekaane,Drezi
If there is any mistake please inform me
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
fanderwik where are you?
fartownik
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fartownik
Sorry guys, I hate to be fucking busy 24/7. I will post something worthy wherever I take care of uni stuff. I've got a free day tomorrow so it should be that.
rEdo
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rEdo
I'm back, sorry.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Vote: Drezi

TL;DR from that one post - quickly voting a previous null-read, and then saying that voting their scum-read wouldn't achieve anything, while not elaborating it at all, and then trying to push that subject away from the chat when asked about it and giving "scumpoints" when asked about it.
This seems more of a newbie town behaviour rather than a scummy one. Not to mention that you were nullreading him a few posts before as well.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Voting Drezi immediately because I can change my vote if needed. If.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Because I obviously don't want mislynches and I'm still rather sure that you are scum. (that was directed to Drezi in that post)
The first sentence implies that you aren't that sure of Drezi being scum, while the latter one indicates the otherwise. Now that's interesting.

SNB, do you have any other reasons to suspect Drezi than the Gumica association? I can't really find anything else while rereading your ISO several times, unless I'm completely retarded.
Birdy
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Birdy

rEdo wrote:

The first sentence implies that you aren't that sure of Drezi being scum.
No. It's just that if someone else starts behaving scummy and a wagon emerges, I may jump on that, if it's a probable enough scum.

rEdo wrote:

SNB, do you have any other reasons to suspect Drezi than the Gumica association? I can't really find anything else while rereading your ISO several times, unless I'm completely retarded.
The unjustified vote, like explained in the previous post of mine.
Drezi
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Drezi
Unjustified vote? It's D1 hardly out of RVS, all I wanted was fish for reactions/more votes by placing a vote on someone who was the target of conflicting opinions (as I said already), and I didn't want to explicitly state this reason right away at the time. Doesn't town need to start voting people for something to happen?

I realize now that it was a bad play, drawing all this suspicion to me for no good reason... but i'm not sure THIS is justified though...
Birdy
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Birdy
Lolvoting to fish reactions is badly justified, but at least that's some kind of an explanation, now.
Setsuen
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Topic Starter
Setsuen
Reminder that Day 2 will end at June 22nd, 5am(GMT +8) which is 74hour from now.
Amianki
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Amianki

Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

All are referencing Drezi in some way, whether directly or by how Gumica dying affects his [SNB's] read on him [Drezi].
Gumica's dying didn't affect my read on Drezi. I just went from scumread to more strict scumread.
This doesn't even make sense. How does something changing a scumread to a more 'strict' scumread mean it wasn't affected by that something?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

He admits twice that his Gumica-dying case isn't as strong as he made it out to be
I don't understand this a single bit, but I can only assume that this is a highly scumpainting sentence by the accusing tone of it.
Here are the two quotes I was referring to:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

It may look staged, unfortunately, but all I wanted to say was "I told you guys".

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm just strictly scumreading you, and I'm aware that I was pretty much the only one townreading him.
It's your job to make people believe that it wasn't staged. That statement you add right after admitting that it can look that way doesn't do that. Stating that you're aware you were the only one that line of logic applied to only drives that point home. You're trying to push a wagon without giving anyone a reason to believe that you're genuine.

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Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

the only real reason he ever gave in day one for why Drezi is scum came from a single point where Drezi changed a vote
...and still hasn't elaborated it. Unless rEdo flips scum at some point, I'm strongly accusing Drezi of a random unjustified mislynch attempt, while trying to stay out of the wagon.
...What? Trying to stay out of the wagon?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

He's not trying to convince anyone that he is right. On the contrary, he even stated that he shouldn't even have to... despite the wagon never gaining any steam.
Right. People apparently want to focus on accusing other people at the moment, which I'm sure you and Drezi would be fine with. That being said, not sure why are you defending Drezi even more at this point, because the link between you two is becoming stronger by every post of yours.
I don't recall giving any sort of read or really addressing Drezi in any way that would justify this claim. Pretty much my entire case on you is about how you're attacking rather than the actual attack itself. You went out of the gate with a full suite of pressure on one person, then actively avoided trying to convince anyone that you're correct for the vast majority of this debate. Meanwhile, you're trying to discredit the attacks on you with strawman arguments and unfounded assumptions.
Birdy
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Birdy
Alright, there's just a bunch of accusations and other crap in there, so I'll respond shortly to the 2 things that mostly caught my attention.

CalignoBot wrote:

It's your job to make people believe that it wasn't staged.
Holy shit, don't make yourself sound stupid now, will you.

CalignoBot wrote:

...What? Trying to stay out of the wagon?
I only now realized that he actually did unvote rEdo later on just to hammer NH. Shouldn't I take this as a third reason to suspect him? Because I probably will.
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