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Raging Bull
Oh, so you think both wagons were not both town. Dake flipped town. So what's left is Gumica as scum, yet you vote me. So contradictory. ,so why the vote on me then?

please don't deflect.
Sakura
I think both you and Gumica are scum, why does it matter which one I vote?
Raging Bull
Also, explain the association between Gumica and I.
Sakura
Both on Dake's wagon at the end of the day, you not wanting to bus your partner at the end of the day, and you refusing to do any sort of wagon analysis when asked because you know it puts you in a worse position.
Sakura
So I guess you could say it's a combination of PoE + Me scumreading Gumica and you for starters.
Tanzklaue
gonna reread as soon as i'm done with my saturday chores
Raging Bull

Sakura wrote:

Both on Dake's wagon at the end of the day, you not wanting to bus your partner at the end of the day, and you refusing to do any sort of wagon analysis when asked because you know it puts you in a worse position.

Right because I really want to put my partner at L-1. I don't understand why you only read Gumica and I as scum right now.
All you keep saying is not lynching Gumica.
All you keep saying is not lynching Gumica.
All you keep saying is not lynching Gumica.
All you keep saying is not lynching Gumica.


Also I don't recall anyone asking me to do any sort of wagon analysis. Could be wrong though. I just had a definite scum read at that time but now everyone made me doubt myself since it really was just me reading Zexion as role fishing.

Vote:Sakura

I had you more as null town at the end of D1, but now all this deflecting and can only associate me and Gumica as not hammering Gumica is scum tell. Still don't want to explain why Dake was obv town and did not defend nor try to convince anyone. Waited for my hammer instead.
rEdo
Vote: Sakura
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
Votecount 2.04

Raging Bull (L-3): Sakura
Sakura (L-1): Gumica | Raging Bull | rEdo

Not Voting: Tanzklaue, Zexion, CalignoBot

With 7 alive, 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline is March 24, 8:45 PM EDT and approx. 2 Days 10 Hours 25 Minutes left from this post.
Sakura
Oh look, both scum are on my wagon too now.
Sakura
Also I already said Dake was a counterwagon to Gumica, which is why he was obvtown.
Raging Bull
whats that vote for redo?
Tanzklaue
reread RB's iso.

except the zexion case that was pulled out of a anus there isn't much that rubs me the wrong way.

sakura on the other hand had that flashwagon on CB early on day 1 (which was okay, discussion needs to come from somewhere), then snaps at RB for a very short while, then votse gumica and deathtunnels him until today where she deathtunnels RB.

i never saw sakura as a deathtunnel person, she is more a all over the place player as town.

also redo giving no reasons for any of his votes is very suspicious too.
Sakura
Well that's BS, a wagon on town doesn't stall the way Gumica's wagon did, there's clearly some scum agenda there, with the sudden counter wagon on Dake and all.
Sakura
Also do note that if Gumica was actually town, scum wouldn't have hesistated to jump wagon into him since he's so easy to lynch otherwise.
Zexion

Tanzklaue wrote:

reread RB's iso.

except the zexion case that was pulled out of a anus there isn't much that rubs me the wrong way.

sakura on the other hand had that flashwagon on CB early on day 1 (which was okay, discussion needs to come from somewhere), then snaps at RB for a very short while, then votse gumica and deathtunnels him until today where she deathtunnels RB.

i never saw sakura as a deathtunnel person, she is more a all over the place player as town.

also redo giving no reasons for any of his votes is very suspicious too.
So is Death-Tunneling Sakura a rare thing? You guys have me at a disadvantage here, since this my second game in here.

How are you so sure about your reads, RB? Also, rEdo has voted two times without any explaination, and that sounds really wrong to me. Vote: rEdo
Tanzklaue
what if his easy lynchability/manipulativity is the reason that scum wants him to live?

honestly the only reason I'd lynch gumica is because regardless of alignment he probably is more useful to scum.

i mean, the way that town plays mafia on this ite is usually giving scum all the freespace to do whatever they want, i definitely see scum taking advantage of gumica in this case.
Sakura
btw There are some scum that do use the "Too scummy to be scum" strategy. Anyhow if Gumica is Town which is a really long stretch i'd buy that there was a scum on his wagon, otherwise i don't see a reason for scum to bus gumica in a 7v2 setup, however if Gumica was town he'd have been lynched yesterday so... *shrug*
Sakura
Unless there's a reason for CB to be scum RB and Gumica are like confirmed scum to me.
Tanzklaue
i'm fine with a gumica lynhc because his utility to scum is too high, even though i'm pretty sure that he isn't scum.

but ii think the best lynch for today would actually be redo.
rEdo
All these were reaction tests.

Apparently Sakura wasn't moved with a vote on me, however she did let us know that she acknowledged it. I like that.

But, just look at Zexion - simply waiting for people to start gathering around me, so he can happily cast a vote without bringing much attention to himself. After rereading the whole thread I noticed that this is the thing that he's been doing whole game. He also wanted to lynch Gumica, but when it came to the point where both Dake and Gumica were at L-1, he didn't care which one Raging Bull's gonna vote. Not to mention that he almost completely ignored my vote on him.

Unvote;
Vote: Zexion
Tanzklaue
you're reaction testing too much and scumhunt too little redo.
Sakura
Seems like "Reaction test" is becoming too common of an excuse for back pedaling these days.
Tanzklaue
nah he jsut learned from farto.

if you don't really know what you're doing right now, it's a reaction test.
Sakura
And here's why RB needs to die.

Point: DD's wagon was counterwagon to Gumica.
Fact: DD flipped Town.
Point: DD was way easier to lynch than Gumica because anti-town = town instead of scum nowadays.
Fact: RB Agrees that DD's wagon was pushed by scum. Ref: p/2951105/
Point: RB refuses to scumhunt within the DD wagon even tho he agrees to being scum in there.
Point: RB votes instead someone that was outside of the wagon because i'm calling BS on his logic.

I'm having a townread on CB/Tanz and a scumread on Gumica, i obviously dont think scum bus'd at the end of D1 (suprise surprise i was also scumreading Nyquill before he died), who's left on that wagon RB.

FMPoV Raging Bull is confirmed scum along with Gumica and this is why

Yet he refuses to address this and keeps misdirecting elsewhere, which is clearly a scum tactic, RB needs to die ASAP.
Tanzklaue
well, that's some convincing points there on RB.

Vote: RB
i still think that gumica is a VI extravaganza. ho outsiede the DD wagon would you read scum if gumica wouldn't be scum in your eyes sakura?
Sakura
Even if Gumica's town that would mean it's likely 1 scum in either wagon, which still doesn't clear RB.
So i would be looking at the other wagon, since Gumica being VI would be a goddamn easy town lynch to achieve for scum, from that wagon only rEdo pings me. here's the wagon for reference:

Gumica (L-1): Sakura | Zexion | rEdo | DakeDekaane
Sakura
Also if i'm wrong about my townreads on DD's wagon it would be CB imo.
Tanzklaue
redo would be my number 1 candidate besides RB too.
Sakura
Also Zexion's being obv newbtown and anyone scumreading him at this point should hit themselves in the head with a stick (I'm looking at you rEdo)
Zexion

rEdo wrote:

All these were reaction tests.

Apparently Sakura wasn't moved with a vote on me, however she did let us know that she acknowledged it. I like that.

But, just look at Zexion - simply waiting for people to start gathering around me, so he can happily cast a vote without bringing much attention to himself. After rereading the whole thread I noticed that this is the thing that he's been doing whole game. He also wanted to lynch Gumica, but when it came to the point where both Dake and Gumica were at L-1, he didn't care which one Raging Bull's gonna vote. Not to mention that he almost completely ignored my vote on him.

Unvote;
Vote: Zexion
I didn't answer anything about your vote because I thought you were following RB's theory of me "rolefishing", which I replied about two times. (he wrote that on the hammer post on DD's lynch) Also, I said that I was waiting for RB to hammer because I wanted Gumica lynched, I wasn't going to switch my vote so in the end that statement holds is just true.

Holy moley, Sakura's arguements on RB look solid enough. Give me some more time to read and then I'll decide if I switch my vote.
rEdo
I'm really out of this game, so I don't really know what to do here >:(

Simply thought that Zexion's reactions are pretty weird here and there. I also wanted to make a wall against RB with shit like "he said he's okay with hammering Gumica, but ended up hammering DD instead" and that overreaction on fakehammer, but I simply took Zexion as a higher priority target Q_Q
Sakura
I still think RB's reaction to the fake hammer was way too over the top to be genuine btw.
rEdo

Sakura wrote:

I still think RB's reaction to the fake hammer was way too over the top to be genuine btw.
That's pretty much what I've just said, unless you're just backing up my words o.o
Sakura
Are you sure?: p/2930785/ and p/2930846
rEdo
Yes, that's what I meant - forcing an overreaction to get town points.
Raging Bull

Sakura wrote:

And here's why RB needs to die.

Point: DD's wagon was counterwagon to Gumica.
Fact: DD flipped Town.
Point: DD was way easier to lynch than Gumica because anti-town = town instead of scum nowadays.
Fact: RB Agrees that DD's wagon was pushed by scum. Ref: p/2951105/
Point: RB refuses to scumhunt within the DD wagon even tho he agrees to being scum in there.
Point: RB votes instead someone that was outside of the wagon because i'm calling BS on his logic.

Point: DD's wagon was because of his reaction to fake hammer
Fact: You, yourself, agreed on it. p/2930749/

Point: DD was obv town to Sakura, but does not do anything and WAITS a hammer. p/2949677/ p/2951133/ p/2934605/ Please realize this may be a prod, but her next post THEN says something had came up. Easily fixed if she posts it as her responding to prod message.
Fact: Seemed very indifferent on who gets lynched. p/2930840/ p/2930846/

Point: Me not scumhunt within DD wagon.
Fact: My original scum suspect was Zexion. Did you not forget? My vote was practically planted on him the entire few day. Then you called me out with these BS reason THAT ORIGINALLY started off as a blind follow from Nyquills read.

Point: Sakura claims I misdirect a lot
Fact: I tried my best to answer everything she questions me. Yet she does not answer my question "Why do nothing to prevent obv town DD wagon?" p/2951105 my question She EXPLAINS why DD is town only. Deflected.

Point: Sakura reads me as scum.
Fact: Cannot provide concrete proof besides not hammering HER SCUMREAD. p/2951154

Point: Sakura isn't as helpful as she wants you to think.
Fact: Supicious of DD, yet suspicious of me because I hammered DD.
Blindly follows a confirmed town read. (Yes Nyquill may be confirmed town, but unless he was a cop, you can think for yourself too. Being confirmed town =/= reads are correct)
Everything she brings up redirects back to me not hammering Gumica, p/2947776/ p/2949613/
Does nothing to prevent DD (who claims is obv town just to remind you again) wagon.
Sakura is scum.



As for my reaction. Sorry if it seemed over reacting, but I have never seen a fake hammer before.
Sakura
I already mentioned why you are confirmed scum to me, and you've avoided it again, at this point all the DD was obvtown business is stale, you keep following that line of logic because you're scum and keep dwelling in the past, keep avoiding the actual issue at hand which i even bolded in the post you conveniently quoted and conveniently didn't quote that part of it, your misrep couldn't be any more obvious.
Raging Bull
stop deflecting your shit.

Why I bring up the past? Because YOU KNOW its true. Yet you WANT to avoid it.
Sakura
I'm not deflecting anything you're sputing things that aren't true Re: My reason for scumreading you. I've explained it twice already and you haven't even attempted to show why it's wrong, so it's most probably right.
Sakura
In fact I only mentioned 3 things regarding to DD in my case on you:

1. He was a counterwagon to Gumica.
2. He flipped town.
3. He was an easier lynch than Gumica.

Where am i saying here wrt DD being obvtown? I abandoned that line of reasoning a while ago.
Sakura
However i do still think he was obvtown, but that's beside the point at this momment.
Raging Bull
You are deflecting. You have not yet AT ALL EXPLAINED WHY you have NOT TRIED to HELP DD NOT GET LYNCHED. I attempted to show why it's wrong.

You're making BS arguments because I have not hammered gumica. How the hell does that associate between us. I'm sorry that Dake was more scummier to me. I'm sorry that he was not obv town to me. I'm sorry for not hammering my partner. What else is there. The only thing you can point me and Gumica together is because he's still alive.
Raging Bull
your read on Dake must have been pure shit.

Also who is scum now Sakura. You are reading rEdo as scum now. Oh wow. Can't decide who to scumread anymore huh.
Sakura
You avoided my points again, i wanted you to show me who was scum in DD wagon if it wasn't you, because that's the main reason i'm scumreading you, you avoided the point all along.

I have no more doubts on this.

Kill: Raging Bull

Have a good time in the Dead QT your partner gumica will be there soon enough.
Raging Bull
wow your tunnel vision is just so horrible.

You still refused to answer why you did not defend dake.
Sakura

Raging Bull wrote:

wow your tunnel vision is just so horrible.

You still refused to answer why you did not defend dake.
I already pointed out why i was scumreading you

CalignoBot, Tanzklaue, Nyquill, Gumica, Raging Bull
^
I'm townreading CBot and Tanzklaue and nyquill flipped town, while im scumreading Gumica so from my PoV you were conf scum too.
I wanted you to show me where was the other scum since apparently you were townreading everyone else on the DD wagon and you said it was a scum motivated wagon.
You didn't
You kept deviating into the "DD was obvtown" which is irrelevant to wagon analysis.
Sakura
and wrt to rEdo being scum, I said that because I was asked in the case Gumica was town, then there could be scum on Gumica's wagon that's where it would be, but you're just grasping at straws now.
Raging Bull
Holy crap you are blind. Please someone just lynch her for being uncooperative and wasting a shot that would have been used better.
Sakura
I'm blind?

Really? is that all you have to argue?

Like seriously, if anyone's being uncooperative here it's you, as I said you said the DD wagon was scum motivated, if you're going to flip town then better be quick and tell me who's scum on that wagon and why then before the mod gets here.
Raging Bull
@mod votecount


And yes, I actually posted it already with all the nonsense you posted up. I said if anything, it would be Tanz. But I have nothing on either CB or Tanz.
Raging Bull
Also unvote
Sakura
Why Tanz?
Zexion
GiF said V/LA on other mafia for this weekend, so we'll probably have to wait until monday for the votecount.

Also, holy... is Sakura really a vigilante?!

Well if she already shoot RB, I think scum may be rEdo or Gumica. I don't really think this is a lie...
Amianki
If RB flips scum, rEdo is probably the partner.
Amianki
BTW, rEdo: Why did you vote Sakura?
Sakura

Zexion wrote:

GiF said V/LA on other mafia for this weekend, so we'll probably have to wait until monday for the votecount.

Also, holy... is Sakura really a vigilante?!

Well if she already shoot RB, I think scum may be rEdo or Gumica. I don't really think this is a lie...
Day Vigilante actually, what do you think RB will flip and if scum would a town flip do anything to those reads? The 2nd question also goes for CB. Also why rEdo and not Gumica?
Zexion
8-)

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

GiF said V/LA on other mafia for this weekend, so we'll probably have to wait until monday for the votecount.

Also, holy... is Sakura really a vigilante?!

Well if she already shoot RB, I think scum may be rEdo or Gumica. I don't really think this is a lie...
Day Vigilante actually, what do you think RB will flip and if scum would a town flip do anything to those reads? The 2nd question also goes for CB. Also why rEdo and not Gumica?
I don't really get your questions, you made like 3 together lol. But I think RB will flip scum too, but I was wondering more about rEdo. Guess we'll see soon, when GIF Returns.
Amianki
I'd be looking towards Zexion and rEdo with a RB flip.

So... I guess rEdo for scum then.
Amianki
The game makes perfect sense with a rEdo+RB scumteam.
Sakura
Why Zexion and rEdo?
Considering your fake hammer on D1 where you didnt wait for a Gumica reply what has DD's flip done to sway that read?
Gumica
Well, if you are day vigilante, then it's no use having a vote on you for now.
Unvote

@CB; why rEdo? is it because of that vote on Sakura?
rEdo
I just copycated whatever RB did because I wanted to see how you guys react, but man I didn't want to get read as scum because of that Q_Q

@CB: Wanted to see if Sakura gets moved by it, and if Zexion tries to mock me for that. Both worked out just well.
Tanzklaue
copycat play is lazy, only scum is lazy.
Tanzklaue
or should be.

laziness is sadly not alignment indicating for this mafia forum.
rEdo
this game's solved anyway, since scum is in {Gumica, Raging Bull, Zexion} >_>"
Tanzklaue
a game is only solved when all the scum is found.

it's also highly interesting how you have those three in your scumreads, but only vote the one who everyone agrees is obvtown and the only other guy who reads that guy as scum is obvscum RB.
Sakura
Hmm...
rEdo
If there is a cop in this setup and RB flips scum, feel free to investigate me tonight. You'll see that I'm not scum, I just feel quite lost in this game :(
Zexion
@CB:

CalignoBot wrote:

The game makes perfect sense with a rEdo+RB scumteam.
But...

p/2930737

CalignoBot wrote:

RB can be obvtown for the rest of the game too.
Did you say that because RB's overreaction? Just wondering, was this post ironical?

Also I agree on rEdo's being RB's partner. Pretty sure he'll flip scum.
Zexion
Edit by the way of double post: Pretty sure RB's will flip scum.
Sakura
And here's where the magician comes and reveals the trick!

I didn't actually kill RB, i was mostly fishing for reactions to the shot from everyone.

I didn't like Gumica's or rEdo's reaction.

CB seemed like he already figured it was a hoax (This sort of thing happens all the time on MS)

RB's initial reaction to the shot felt towny... but then his lack of cooperation and trying to get me lynched (considering he didnt know whether my shot would end the day or not would be probably handing scum the win) felt scummy =/

Zexion's obvtowness is like a skyscrapper atm.

I actually thought Tanz would overreact.
Amianki
Zexion: I put less weight on the results I got from that gambit after Dake flipped town. I've found out over time that usually my reads are either pretty close to exactly right or exactly wrong.
Amianki
And yes I figured that kill was fake as soon as I saw it.
Tanzklaue
the kill happened when i was deep asleep.

when i was awake again, the kill was unresolved for way too long to be real.
Sakura
I thought the mod being V/LA was good enough reason.
Tanzklaue
he still semiactively looks into the forums.

something as important as a vigshot would've been resolved within hours. it also hit the mainscumread of everyone with a working brain (me, you, CB mostly), so i was ok with the dayvig despite you not asking for consensus.
Sakura
Despite that, what do you think of RB's reaction then.
Tanzklaue
his point of you tunneling is valid. then he panics a little in my eyes, unsure if it is a real kill or not. also him demanding to policy lynch you and deflecting to (mostly) me and (lesser) CB is just bad.

i still think he is scum.
Raging Bull
prod dodge for now
Raging Bull
Sorry I didn't have time since I got put a lot of stuff yesterday. I don't think I pushed for a lynched after you shot since I saw no scum motivation from it.

If you were scum = no point fishing for a reaction to see if I say something stupid
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
Votecount 2.05

Raging Bull (L-2): Sakura | Tanzklaue
rEdo (L-3): Zexion
Zexion (L-3): rEdo

Not Voting: CalignoBot, Raging Bull, Gumica

With 7 alive, 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline is March 24, 8:45 PM EDT and approx. 0 Days 23 Hours 25 Minutes left from this post.
Sakura
Then the game felt silent.
Raging Bull

Sakura wrote:

Why Tanz?
The only thing I have is because of him voting after CB. I rarely vote anyone leading a vote since it seems way more outgoing than what scum might need. That alone doesn't really seem strong enough for me to warrant a vote. If you were to make me vote right now, I would be rather uncomfortable with either of them.

also seems like rEdo is little scared to be suspected since he has been copy cating my vote the entire game.

@rEdo, what's your reason for Gumica and Zexion?

@Sakura and I realized that after few minutes you shot that it had to be fake. I don't understand why "before the mod gets here" would be needed if you were a real dayvig. If you shoot someone, you cannot take it back.
Sakura

Raging Bull wrote:

@Sakura and I realized that after few minutes you shot that it had to be fake. I don't understand why "before the mod gets here" would be needed if you were a real dayvig. If you shoot someone, you cannot take it back.
The reasoning for that is because if you were town you'd want your reads out and stuff before the mod declares you dead and you cannot post anymore.
rEdo
Gumica: Again his defeatist attitude, blackmailing town. He's only scum when RB is, though, because apparently he tried to defend him.
Zexion: Kinda repeating what everybody else have already said, but it might just be a newbie town's play. So I don't really know here.

Unvote

Need to rethink stuff ._.
Tanzklaue
dodge prod.
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
Warning: Deadline in 6 hrs ish
rEdo
I guess this is the best for the current moment.

Vote: Raging Bull

If he flips scum, there's a high probability of Gumica being scum as well. I'd love to have a cop investigation on this guy made by somebody, unless it's already been done.
Tanzklaue
directing PRs now too?
Zexion
Sorry guys, fell asleep.

After reading I'm willing to hammer RB if thats okay with you, I believe the reasons are pretty clear so I don't really have anything to add.

Also I dunno about rEdo right now, I guess reaction testing still helps town... Somewhat.

Unvote
Zexion
If this was RB+rEdo scumteam, I don't think redo would have voted RB right now...
rEdo

Tanzklaue wrote:

directing PRs now too?
Tell me how is this a scumtell. I have mentioned why Gumica has a high probability to be scum when RB flips scum.
rEdo

Zexion wrote:

If this was RB+rEdo scumteam, I don't think redo would have voted RB right now...
It's often for scum to actually start a wagon on their partner since somebody else would do it anyway.
Tanzklaue

rEdo wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

directing PRs now too?
Tell me how is this a scumtell. I have mentioned why Gumica has a high probability to be scum when RB flips scum.
nobody except you and sakura really thinks that gumica is scum.
rEdo

Tanzklaue wrote:

nobody except you and sakura really thinks that gumica is scum.
If RB is scum, then Gumica has a high chance to be scum as well. Otherwise it shouldn't be happening. Happy?
Sakura
Any PRs should do whatever the fuck they want, unless they are PRs that dying convey information (Weak or Hider for example) then they should've already crumbed somewhere who they are targeting.
Raging Bull
Oh that makes even more sense i suppose.haha

Those are some weak reasons to be suspicious of them. Especially dont know here part.

Seeing as deadline is approaching and wont be on...

vote redo.

Copycat vote, doesnt explain votes, puts sakura l-1, brushes off as reaction test. Panics when people started thinking hes scum.
Your reason for suspicion on gumica is way worse than Sakuras.
Zexion is agreeable but everyone convinced mehe didnt do anything
rEdo

Raging Bull wrote:

Zexion is agreeable but everyone convinced mehe didnt do anything
You're fine to go with the flow, aren't you.

Nah, I just finally had a little more time to play and actually follow the game. It's not what I'd call panic here.
Raging Bull
Agreeable reason for suspicion.

The way i put my sentences together, i was still talking about suspicion.
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