Which is weird coz they are on the same server.

Sakura wrote:

DNS error is on the user end, not on the server end, you should check with your ISP to see that it's resolving domain names correctly (try using the windows troubleshooting thingy)
Edit: Anyway i'll post your out then.

I tried to solve this problem 1 week ago, but I didn't find it. I went to my internet cafe, and that cafe had same error with my house. I kinda get conclusion ISP's error. Seems not.

CalignoBot wrote:

Exact same error. The only thing that works is the wiki.

If error happens, I can't go to wiki.

If error happens, probably I will do the same like Caligno.

That's error is terrible, sometimes free proxies can't go to mafiascum also, which this is weird problem.

Okay, I can connect now and I think it will remain that way. Go ahead and add me to the replacement list.

Alright. Make sure you ask in the help section about it tho...

About which, specifically? Replacement or the site connection derphood?

site connection derphood >.> you dont need to go into the help forum to ask to be in a replacement queue you know.

Mmmm just saying, like what I said, one of my ongoing game there is a person who have the same problem and he said :

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=33903

Well, dunno, but I can access mafiascum regularly now. (Yes, he still have this problem until now)

Edit after 9 hours of original post : Yeah, I can't go to mafiascum again. GGWP Gimme 24 hours.

Apparently I was nominated to get a second GTKAS thread after being in the nomination queue for 13 months.

Once it's up, that will be your chance to ask really bizarre, embarrassing, or weird questions that I will have no choice but to answer.

@Lincolm: Try changing your DNS server. That's how I was able to connect again.

google's DNSs are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4

remind me to post in mafia sober

Irreversible posting a lot for once. Obv scum.

Anyways taking a break from mafia D: Got school now.

Raging Bull wrote:

Irreversible posting a lot for once. Obv scum.

Anyways taking a break from mafia D: Got school now.

you will be missed :'(

Oh wow, now I'm getting trouble as well on MS: http://puu.sh/6xoIW.png

I am of the opinion that with all the new people we should be doing more newbie oriented or at least normal setups.

Sakura wrote:

I am of the opinion that with all the new people we should be doing more newbie oriented or at least normal setups.

Yeah probably do F11. 2 of 4 is such a horrible setup.

If anything i'd go with Matrix 6

i already feel sorry for the newbies in perpetual mylo. i am afraid of the set up and i have at least some experience.

/in to mod Newbie setup: Matrix 6

matrix6 is a good setup

except when a certain someone fking fakeclaims doctor

ed: also perpetual mylo has 5 scum out of 12 people. it shouldn't be too hard to catch scum in there especially if you're good at associatives

pieguy1372 wrote:

matrix6 is a good setup

except when a certain someone fking fakeclaims doctor

ed: also perpetual mylo has 5 scum out of 12 people. it shouldn't be too hard to catch scum in there especially if you're good at associatives

which is why i have respect of the set up. it's actually really hard for scum to play.

Welcome to alumni Sakura. And I might be up for mafia newbie. Not so intense as last few games. No scum please.

Raging Bull wrote:

Welcome to alumni Sakura.

I feel like i've accomplished something.

Also this is the main reason I wanted someone else to take care of the queue, I knew this was coming.

î thought alumni still have modding rights? guess not...

They stopped having those like a year ago.

Nyquill bby

You're the sticky guy now! \o/

Or Irreversible
Or Kevincela

Whoever wants to be the sticky guy

a random spectator posted.

Seems to be a new face in osu! too.

I kind of want to make a game with all newbies while barring them from reading any previous game/ the wiki just to see how they'll react.

10/10

NoHitter wrote:

I kind of want to make a game with all newbies while barring them from reading any previous game/ the wiki just to see how they'll react.

Too late. I'm pretty sure us(newbie) would have read the wiki by now. It's not happening

yeah I'm dealing with stickies mostly, but someone random occasionally drops in and does it too

Nyquill wrote:

yeah I'm dealing with stickies mostly, but someone random occasionally drops in and does it too

:3

I don't feel like playing very much, but it's hella fun to read. xD

by someone random I mean 100% of the time it'll be kytoxid

NoHitter wrote:

I kind of want to make a game with all newbies while barring them from reading any previous game/ the wiki just to see how they'll react.

Im down I was reading pinned posts before I tried to find a game to play and I'll avoid looking at threads for abit to see if you want to do this.

*Comes in and random post*

*poke* oh wait... am I poking in the wrong thread?

fun fact, it seems that as alumni i can still sticky threads if they are my own thread.

Sakura wrote:

fun fact, it seems that as alumni i can still sticky threads if they are my own thread.

luckily only sensible people are alumnis or else this would get abused so hard. THOU ART THEE ART THOU STICKIE ALL YOUR THREADS DO IT DO IT DO IT

Tanzklaue wrote:

what would i give for RB, Rantai etc. right now ._.

how lovely

Raging Bull wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

what would i give for RB, Rantai etc. right now ._.

how lovely

so are you going to accept or not? Tanz confessed to you you know.(I wondered if people will see this post and think weird stuff about it LOL)

Tanzklaue wrote:

Sakura wrote:

fun fact, it seems that as alumni i can still sticky threads if they are my own thread.

luckily only sensible people are alumnis or else this would get abused so hard. THOU ART THEE ART THOU STICKIE ALL YOUR THREADS DO IT DO IT DO IT

What makes you think I'm sensible?

[quote="Lybydose" What makes you think I'm sensible?[/quote]

Be un-sensible enough to gimme free support plox.

bah fail quoting.. not going to edit it <.<

What's happened to Mafia forum? I can't access it on my phone. (I can't login on my phone. ;w;)

The forum went quarter retard earlier. That's probably the cause.

Unable to access from phone is a real pain. = .=

Before mistaken happens...

I've changed my username to "Chamelo_Th" (don't panic ;P)

You guys can still call me "CTs" as ever.

The previous one was much better

people tend to namechange into worse names

It's personal reason. - .- (and I suck at naming too.)

I think people get used to the old name, so they see the new one is... worse.
At least it's better than battler007 to Trash Boat

Chamelo_Th wrote:

I think people get used to the old name, so they see the new one is... worse.

no it just sucks

I won't regret it anyway...

Someone should make Overpowered Role Mafia.

If everyone is OP, does it mean no one is?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5743170
HEY GUYS JOIN MY GAEM

pieguy1372 wrote:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=5743170#p5743170
HEY GUYS JOIN MY GAEM

I burn out there. Sorry

mavviiiiaaa

ohai guys: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=45183 FG's going with another one.

I've been thinking on this for a few days with the recent issue that's come up and I believe I've come to enough of a decision to ask for opinions before having it pushed through.

I believe restructuring the subforum itself would be optimal. What we currently have is fairly outdated and clumped together in an awkward way. Here's what I'm suggesting right now:

1. ISO Archive unstickied entirely. All the information in it can be added somewhere else (most likely the 101 thread) and that thread hasn't been updated consistently in a long time. It's just taking up space right now.

2. Replacement Request, General Discussion, IRC Mafia, and Mod Queue moved down to sticky. This is just to separate the important things needed to play from the 'discussion'.

3. All normal games unstickied. This really shouldn't be any problem, since threads that are inappropriately bumped can just be locked. If it gets confusing, we can start using a tag system of some type to indicate which games are ongoing.

4. General Discussion title changed to General/Set-Up Discussion. This will tie into the next point.

5. Set-ups that are experimental and looking for balancing help, etc. should be posted in the general topic instead of the mod queue. Once it's ready, it can be posted in the mod queue as normal. However, once the game topic is made, the (open) set-up is locked. No more significant edits can be made to it.

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I personally don't see much of a problem with this, but I want to know what everyone else thinks before bugging asking dkun someone to make all these changes.

I don't personally see a problem with any of the above except for possibly the IRC Mafia topic being moved to sticky.

Lately ISOs have been done individually for each game so it may be good to have it stickied, but as "Old ISO Archive".

DakeDekaane wrote:

Lately ISOs have been done individually for each game so it may be good to have it stickied, but as "Old ISO Archive".

This isn't all that necessary and could end up just being more clutter. All the information needed, including the link, could just be added to the 101 thread. A lot of what I'm trying to achieve with this is uncluttering the forum.

BTW since when were minis 9-p? Minis should be 7p below IIRC.

I haven't edited the mini game requirements since first putting that section in the OP.

If there are no objections by tonight after work (most likely about 11 hours from now), I'm going to push these through.

Hey guys it was nice and all, but with all the major flaking in here I think it's not worth it to play mafia in here anymore, i'll be fully moving to MS if anyone wants to find me, but i don't think i'm going to be around here any longer.

Had some fun games with everyone and hope you guys keep having fun.

Cya!

Good luck.

well this subforum didn't exactly flourish while i was abstinent.

You can say that again.

well i wil stay here, still hoping for that P4 game.

Ah yeah almost forgot:

I'll leave this here for you guys since you guys will probably need it anyway:

Mafia iso generator

Instructions here: p/1062690

Hello everyone, i dont play mafia but i thought about experimental setups after reading trough the wiki... so id like to have you guys give your oponion on the following setup:

The setup resolves around 2 opposing teams of belivers with each having a powerfull oracle (explained later) these teams have a private chat with their respective members and win when the opposing team is extinct. Then theres the towns people who want all belivers gone, they have the usuall town classes and win when the amount of belivers is under a certain tereshold.
In case that two win conditions are met, the town people will take pirioty, ex. the last green beliver died and there only 2 red belivers remaining while the towns goal is less than 3 belivers, the town will win.

There no night kills (in the normal sense) but there classes (executioners) which can kill people, in all three parties, which have varying restrictions such as night/day only and/or needing some kind of energy (need to fleesh this out more, will likely be anonymous votes via PM to mod, see the touhou game's prayer for sanae).

Other than the normal and common Mafia classes are these special classes available:


Orace

Each beliver party got one of these.
The oracle can choose between a number of events and conditions which last from dawn of the day to the dawn of the next day (but a oracle cant choose the same event repeatedly to pervent completly locking out a player.):

Silence. Exempts one target from speaking, this includes the faction chat. Abilities and votes are still possible. Basically the opposite of stump.

Rest. Stumps one target.

Quiet night. All night actions (except votes, prayers for the executioners and similar) by anyone will fail.

Hot day. All day actions (except votes, prayers for the executioners and similar) by anyone will fail.

In addition when the oracle is killed by an ability, the killer will also die.

Quiet night/hot day are announced when their respective phase starts but rest and silence are not.


Recruiter

Each beliver party got one to two of them depending on the game size.
They can PM the mod to ping a player to check if they are a closet beliver, when they are the player in question will change the modifier to recruited and switch to the recruiters team.


Closet beliver

The town got a few of these depending on the game size.
This is actually not a class but a modifier and allows Recruiters to recruit the player in question.

What game size and class distribution would you suggest?

The single biggest problem with that set-up is that it can become impossible for a mafia team to win despite never losing all their members. This is especially a problem since the oracle kills the killer upon dying.

Cults are expressly bastard modding. They are extraordinarily difficult to balance (if not impossible entirely) and having them in the game can cause issues with the "play to your win condition" rule. In this specific case, it's can be in town's best interests for all the closet believers to claim immediately... but that would give the people with that role pause as it could be playing against their win condition if they get recruited.

The idea was to have the cults to fight for influence within the town to use their lynch ability to kill the other clan but i can see how thats a problem, what would you suggest? Alllowing the night kills? That would mean 3 if not more deaths (due the executioners) per game cycle. I feel like thats too much.
The Oracles kill the killer thing aids that, i want to discourage the cults to use the executioners without carefull planning ahead and instead focus on tricking town into killing the enemy.

As for the closet belivers, i think about their win "as person" not "as team" meaning the closet beliver either chooses to play scummy to get noticed by the cults and therefore recruited or play towny while hiding the fact that they're closet and hope that they never get recruited and if they still do get recruited, change their strategy accordingly.

In any case, its bad for the closet to claim their modifier since that leads either to getting recruited by one cult and promptly get killed by the other cult or (less likely) being killed by town because they are a risik factor.

I dont know about the balancing, since i have absolutely no experience with Mafia id probably have problems with balancing any setups... :s

Granger wrote:

The idea was to have the cults to fight for influence within the town to use their lynch ability to kill the other clan but i can see how thats a problem, what would you suggest? Alllowing the night kills? That would mean 3 if not more deaths (due the executioners) per game cycle. I feel like thats too much.
The Oracles kill the killer thing aids that, i want to discourage the cults to use the executioners without carefull planning ahead and instead focus on tricking town into killing the enemy.

Mafia is fundamentally about an informed minority vs an uninformed majority. Multiball (multiple mafia teams) can still adhere to this, but it becomes a bit of an issue when it deviates from this general principle.

The reason is because town has to get rid of every anti-town faction in order to win the game. In this sense, it should be positive for the town every time they manage to eliminate one (or one gets eliminated in general). Naturally there are a few small exceptions in some cases in regular games, but those situations can be naturally deduced and become known information for the town.

The problem with this set-up is that town could end up lynching one group into extinction with incredible accuracy, but then they just end up losing anyway because the other mafia team managed to dwindle down the town by killing and recruiting them at night. It's one case where the town played perfectly, but in such a way that they handed themselves a loss.

Cults are fundamentally imbalanced in general as well. The amount of mafia/anti-town in a game can be roughly measured and known to be pretty close to accurate from the start with it becoming clearer over time, but the cult has a very disastrous effect. Instead of the information of anti-town being more easy to tell over time, it becomes increasingly impossible to have any idea whatsoever. You could get to LyLo and have absolutely no way of knowing as such. This is the fundamental reason why cults are considered bastard modding, and this isn't even considering the set-up specific issues with cults.

So overall, balancing this set-up isn't as simple as you'd think. There's a fundamental issue with the set-up itself, and there is so much possibility for the winner to be decided over pure luck instead of skill that I'm not sure it can be balanced.

If we started hosting a normal + mini game concurrently again, would there be enough demand for it?

I can handle over 5 games at a time so it's always fine for me.

I'd /in for both

Oh btw, just ftr imma use plurality lynch on my next modded game that i put on the mod queue.
Wanna see how different they behave from having Majority lynches games.

Was thinking of using Bankable Deadlines but not sure how many ppl would like that, discuss?

I don't think it matters too much tbh, well at least in the games I have played day length hasn't felt too short, but waiting out 48h nights was a pain, it should last until all night actions have been submitted I think.

I've always done 24h nights in osu!, if this was MS it'd be a different story but yeah.

My deadlines here are usually 1 week days and 24h nights (it used to be double that but it felt like the days would never end along with osu!'s activity or lack thereof)

I agree with 24h nights, 48 seems a bit too much for this specially since we have a single game going it makes the forum kinda... boring?

Also Im up to play in case we get a normal + mini going.

I have my nights last 48 hours because of time zone issues. 24 hours is too short for some scumteams to be able to communicate.

EDIT: I should clarify. I originally had my first modded game set to 24 hours, but I had a request to extend night's deadline because of this reason.

I see, but is there a problem with having the night end once all night actions have been submitted? Scum can just wait with submitting their nightkill if they feel they need the whole night duration/couldn't talk due to timezone issues.

Well we will see how GIM2 fares, considering the randomness and freedom it brings onto peoples alignments and roles.

If anyone has any questions on how that setup works before it's up for modding they can check the previous thread or ask me.

Drezi wrote:

I see, but is there a problem with having the night end once all night actions have been submitted? Scum can just wait with submitting their nightkill if they feel they need the whole night duration/couldn't talk due to timezone issues.

I'm not comfortable with this since it could result in clearing people based on timing of night starting and ending, but I will address it in another way in the next game I host.

This place's become quite quiet.

everyone left with you sakura. there is no more gif, pieguy, rb, heck even sephibro (though he makes occassional comments still).

basically it's the same 9 guys playing the same set up because there simply aren't enough people to sustain more.

GiF went to korea for about 2 months, little before i left, currently trying to convince him to come back
pieguy doesn't wanna come back because reasons i dont know if im allowed to say.
rb and sephibro no idea, i thought sephibro stopped playing because "We're too bad at mafia"

Tanzklaue wrote:

basically it's the same 9 guys playing the same set up because there simply aren't enough people to sustain more.

Then i shall bring variety!

Edit: WHy am i not using the edit function... TOO MUCH MAFIA!!!

:/ whatever bothers pieguy, i wish him best of luck in solving whatever the issue is. though i imagine it's something related to people on this site. rb is away because work and school crush him atm or at least did when he disappeared 3 months ago.

what we really need is that we are less intimidating to new people. currently we are way too elitist for most people to wat to join. we also need games that are strictly for newcomers, that have one or two experts in them to guide the newcomers. also, we need to do something to combat activity issues. if you don't plan on being active in a game, don't join. i beg you.

Doesn't pieguy left because he always get into 1v1 with Sakura most of the games?
I'd assume that because it happens quite often lately.

[8:29:37 PM] pieguy: uh fine w/ me

So I shall.

Basically he says that if he starts playing mafia here again then everytime he thinks about osu! he's gonna think about mafia and he wants to avoid that, MS is pretty much the only place i see him at lately and even there i rarely see him.

so he wants to keep osu and mafia apart?

Something like that, i think he wants to not be thinking about mafia 24/7

Tanzklaue wrote:

if you don't plan on being active in a game, don't join. i beg you.

Imma quote some smart guy for this:

"If you don't have time to play, you have no business joining games." - Pjovek

Vote: pieguy

obviously him wanting to stay away from mafia means that he is mafia.

Military annoying yo. Work is fine now, just school. Dont have stable internet though. I just moved in to a new home.

requesting life time mafia ban for BRBP.

also hey rb o/