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bmin11

Sephibro wrote:

btw we could actually try to switch wagon too
if 3 of us can switch votes we could get someone else lynched

I would like to go for NoHitter, or rEdo

do you guys want to do this switch with me?

vote: NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

we'll also decide claim order before, from scummier to townier

Tanzklaue
fartownik
Nyquill
Raging Bull
NoHitter
Sephibro
bmin11

you can suggest your order too
What made you think NH was mafia during D2 and what made you to turn your read around?
Tanzklaue

NoHitter wrote:

... So Tanz why did you claim when:
A) We didn't all agree with it yet
B) Even if we did, the order hasn't been finalized yet.
because either way, i would've claimed. I get scumreads from everywhere and i still have no results regarding my role, if i wouldn't claim now then it's practically over for me.
Sephibro

bmin11 wrote:

What made you think NH was mafia during D2 and what made you to turn your read around?
he was playing in a very similar way to higurashi mafia
and then he was one of the first who helped lynching rEdo

please pay attention to the game, and try to be more active now that we're only 7


also yes, tanz's claim was mandatory in every case
Topic Starter
Jinxy
I'll be away for most of the day tomorrow, so The next votecount will be 8 hours later than usual.
bmin11
If we need agreements for mass claiming, I agree. The pool of people if small enough and we would be on LyLo if we miss lynch today. I agree with the order as well.
Sephibro
well fartownik and Nyquill have equal priority imo

so even if fartownik isn't claiming yet, you can claim yourself Nyquill
Nyquill
Character: Yakumo Ran
Double Voter: I have a second vote thanks to my shikigami CHEN F YEAH
I Debated saying that I am confirmable at lylo, but I actually don't know if thats safe or not, so I decided to just go ahead and claim.

Vote: Tanz
Second Vote: NoHitter
Mod: Votecount please
fartownik
K I'm here. Uni kicked in again. I will post my thoughts later when I'm fully awake.

Character: Byakuren Hijiri
Ability Name:Multiple different abilities over the range of 5 nights.

Basically every night my ability changes to a stronger one for 5 nights in a row. If I don't use the ability at a certain night, I can't use it anymore.

N1: 1-Shot Flavor Cop
N2: 1-Shot Cop
N3: 1-Shot Weak Doctor
N4: 1-Shot Doctor
N5: 1-Shot Strong-willed Vigilante

N1 targeted Nyquill, got Ran Yakumo result.
N2 targeted Dake but he died :<

Weak Doctor is a pretty tricky ability though. If I target non-scum and I'm alive, he's confirmed Town since if I target scum I die. Basically a Cop and Doctor alltogether, but with a risk of me dying at night :P
Nyquill
Vote: Fartownik
Second Vote: Tanz
Nyquill
please keep claiming guys
fartownik
And why you changed your vote to me?
Raging Bull

Sephibro wrote:

claim format will be this one

character name
ability name: description

we'll also decide claim order before, from scummier to townier

Tanzklaue
fartownik
Nyquill
Raging Bull
NoHitter
Sephibro
bmin11

you can suggest your order too

character name Fujiwara no Mokou
1-Shot Bulletproof: Being immortal, I am unable to be killed and will revive after an attack, unfortunately I will still feel pain and if I get hit once again, I will be knocked unconscious.

I tried to get shot by GIF to confirm him but he keeps reading me as town.
fartownik

Raging Bull wrote:

I tried to get shot by GIF to confirm him but he keeps reading me as town.
:roll:

It was enough for GiF to be confirmed when 2 nightkills happened at once, what you tried to do would only have wasted his Vig.
fartownik
It also wouldn't confirm anyone, it'd just be WIFOM.
NoHitter
Yagokoro Eirin
Jailkeeper


Remember this post?

NoHitter wrote:

Also doc should probably be on GiF.
I wouldn't be surprised though if he gets RB'd
Pretty much me saying that if I doc someone they will be RB'd.
Raging Bull

fartownik wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

I tried to get shot by GIF to confirm him but he keeps reading me as town.
:roll:

It was enough for GiF to be confirmed when 2 nightkills happened at once, what you tried to do would only have wasted his Vig.

Best case scenario is if he shot scum. But if he happened to shoot a townie then we lost two townies. I don't expect you guys to confirm me as townie when he shoots, but at least we wouldn't lose two townies to confirm one townie.
Topic Starter
Jinxy
Vote Count 3.1
fartownik (1) - Nyquill
Tanzklaue (1) - Chen

Not Voting: Sephibro, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue, NoHitter, fartownik, bmin11

Day ends in around 3 days and 17 hours.
NoHitter
^ Nyquill is pretty much town. Scum Doublevoter would be too OP.
fartownik
That's a vague argument. Doublevoters are as often Town as scum, at least from my experience.
NoHitter
Actually I do recall there being a doublevoter scum in Multiball as a hidden ability, but IIRC weren't doublevoters generally town-sided?
Sephibro
before i claim, Hitter who did you target n2?
Raging Bull

NoHitter wrote:

Actually I do recall there being a doublevoter scum in Multiball as a hidden ability, but IIRC weren't doublevoters generally town-sided?
You put a scum double voter in DotA.
Tanzklaue
doublevoter can be either town or scum, about 50/50.
NoHitter
Scum double voter that game was because of SmallTown, but generally they aren't mafia-aligned.

I targeted bmin N2.
NoHitter
Ninja'd by Tanz. Hmm I guess there must be something wrong with my mafia game hosting sense -_-
Sephibro
hitter who did you target n2?
Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

hitter who did you target n2?

NoHitter wrote:

I targeted bmin N2.
Raging Bull
What was the reason for bmin?
Sephibro
oh missed it
then why target bmin?

i'm Sukuna Shinmyoumaru
Miracle Mallet: 2-shot motivator - each night, I may target someone to boost their abilities. They will be notified of the motivation at the start of the next day

i didn't target anyone n1, targeted gif n2

about Dake, farto do you really think he was vigged by gif? is there really someone who thinks that?

gotta eat now, i'll explain everithing later - think about it!
Raging Bull
hmm originally, I was going to say no, but it seem possible. D1, DD was probably a strong town read by GiF but in D2, his read on DD resetted. p/2789237/

Another possibility is Dake hiding behind farto. p/2784995/

@Mod, does hider die if she hides behind scum?

Final possibility is Dake hiding behind GiF, perhaps to not get shot by him. though I don't see any posts that can see that happening.
Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

about Dake, farto do you really think he was vigged by gif? is there really someone who thinks that?
yea, dake probably hid behind gif, who was nightkilled.

which means gif either shot dake (with no result), rb (would you get notified if you were shot?) or, yet again, didn't shoot at all.
Tanzklaue

Raging Bull wrote:

hmm originally, I was going to say no, but it seem possible. D1, DD was probably a strong town read by GiF but in D2, his read on DD resetted. p/2789237/

Another possibility is Dake hiding behind farto. p/2784995/

@Mod, does hider die if she hides behind scum?

Final possibility is Dake hiding behind GiF, perhaps to not get shot by him. though I don't see any posts that can see that happening.
hider always dies when it hides behind scum. it's the basic mechanic of the role.
NoHitter
I jailed bmin N2, because he was a most likely town and had no immediate power I could interfere with my block.
Also, GiF wasn't likely going to shoot bmin. If I tried going for blocking scum, I may have protected them by mistake.
Sephibro

Jinxy wrote:

Flandre Scarlet finally reached home after another day of the meeting. She wasn't supposed to even be there, but somehow, things managed to work out. Until Remilia's disappearance, anyway.

”Has big sis come back yet, Sakuya?”

“I’m afraid not, Lady Flandre. ...By the way, are you sure Milady agreed to you going out?”

“Nope, I lied, actually! But I met her at the meeting anyway. She was reaaaalllly angry at first, but then she made me promise not to blow anyone up unless they were the bad people, and then I could stay!”

“...I see. I’ll prepare your meal and bath right away.”
And with that, the Scarlet Devil Mansion’s chief maid vanished almost instantly.

”Ah, did something happen to your sister?”

“!!! You’re… the satori from underground?”

”Yeah, I’m Komeiji Koishi, and I’ll be staying here tonight! Don’t worry, you won’t even notice me!”

“That certainly makes things easier for us...”

!?



“Lady Flandre, your dinner is rea-!”

GuyInFreezer - Flandre Scarlet - Town 1-Shot Vigilante - Killed N2
DakeDekaane - Komeiji Koishi - Town Hider - Killed N2
Sephibro

Tanzklaue wrote:

which means gif either shot dake (with no result), rb (would you get notified if you were shot?) or, yet again, didn't shoot at all.
what about a roleblock
fartownik
Yeah, the flavor is blatantly saying that Dake hid behind GiF. That's probably what happened.

GiF probably wasted his shot on Dake because I doubt he would risk not shooting again.
Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

which means gif either shot dake (with no result), rb (would you get notified if you were shot?) or, yet again, didn't shoot at all.
what about a roleblock
didn't consider that.

or he did target someone who was protected (eg bmin)
Raging Bull

Sephibro wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

Flandre Scarlet finally reached home after another day of the meeting. She wasn't supposed to even be there, but somehow, things managed to work out. Until Remilia's disappearance, anyway.

”Has big sis come back yet, Sakuya?”

“I’m afraid not, Lady Flandre. ...By the way, are you sure Milady agreed to you going out?”

“Nope, I lied, actually! But I met her at the meeting anyway. She was reaaaalllly angry at first, but then she made me promise not to blow anyone up unless they were the bad people, and then I could stay!”

“...I see. I’ll prepare your meal and bath right away.”
And with that, the Scarlet Devil Mansion’s chief maid vanished almost instantly.

”Ah, did something happen to your sister?”

“!!! You’re… the satori from underground?”

”Yeah, I’m Komeiji Koishi, and I’ll be staying here tonight! Don’t worry, you won’t even notice me!”

“That certainly makes things easier for us...”

!?



“Lady Flandre, your dinner is rea-!”

GuyInFreezer - Flandre Scarlet - Town 1-Shot Vigilante - Killed N2
DakeDekaane - Komeiji Koishi - Town Hider - Killed N2
Oh damn, I should read what the mod posts anyways.

Can there really be JK and RB at the same time usually?
Sephibro

Raging Bull wrote:

Oh damn, I should read what the mod posts anyways.

Can there really be JK and RB at the same time usually?
i'm not sure about it
Raging Bull

NoHitter wrote:

I jailed bmin N2, because he was a most likely town and had no immediate power I could interfere with my block.
Also, GiF wasn't likely going to shoot bmin. If I tried going for blocking scum, I may have protected them by mistake.
But if you potentially blocked scum, you might have also prevented a kill. Killing bmin would have made no sense anyways since essentially bmin would be confirmed and can be saved for lylo or in any case where scum can be found.
Sephibro
lynching oni d1 was the worst mistake we could have done

learn to sheep sephi guys
Raging Bull

Sephibro wrote:

this game is giving me cancer
bmin11
I doubt that mafia would have shot me. Though, there aren't much point talking about this anymore I guess.

I'm also doubtful that GiF would shoot me. I mean, sure my death wouldn't be the biggest lost and people wanted to confirm me through death, but I'm sure he would have considered the lynch result. I doubt that he would think a mafia would vote a second vote on a fellow mafia buddy.

GiF being RB + shot is definitely possible, since the pool was small enough for him to shoot a scum. Though, having both RB and RS on the same team is another matter.

All claims sounds fine flavor-wise. One minor concern is that Tanz claimed in actual full name (Shiki Eiki Yamaxanadu), while the first post is in just standard full name (Shiki Eiki). Though, the name is also different for farto as well (Byakuren Hijiri vs Hijiri Byakuren), so it's very likely that Jinxy just typed out each time for those role PMs and the first post. Or you guys know the name good enough to not copy paste from role PM >_>

I've also considered DD hiding behind a mafia, thinking he was hiding behind a townie that is not likely to get shot. Though, this didn't change the fact that Nyquil, Tanz, and farto are our suspects.
Sephibro
i have already some ideas

but let's go with order, and i want to hear your ideas too

@Nyquill: you have to (or can) send your second vote by pm to jinxy, don't you?
bmin11
Edited my post because I wanted to add "GiF being RB + shot is definitely possible, since the pool was small enough for him to shoot a scum. Though, having both RB and RS on the same team is another matter." that line, because my original post was gone before >_>; Sorry about that.
Raging Bull
p/2780333

Tanzklaue wrote:

fartownik wrote:

GG then. I still think lynching a newbie is usually bad D1 and we shouldn't have done that, but it's good we got one scum down D1 already.
well, he didn't do his best to convince anyone if you're honest. on day 1, especially without many scumreads, lynching a guy who obviously doesn't give a fuck about the game is always an option.

also agree with gif, there is obviously a busser on that wagon. mafia somehow needs to salvage this, and a bus is a gamble that might work out for them.

This post pinged me a bit. I don't think Tanz voted for anyone D1 or seemed suspicious of anyone. But then when oni was hammered, it seemed like his opinion changed despite the fact oni was consistently not playing. Tanz could have had the opportunity to vote already instead of oni being hammered.
Raging Bull

Sephibro wrote:

i have already some ideas

but let's go with order, and i want to hear your ideas too

@Nyquill: you have to (or can) send your second vote by pm to jinxy, don't you?
No, he voted farto and Tanz on his second post.

p/2797120

p/2797556 Its just chen instead of Nyquill.
Tanzklaue
at that point, i thought oni was scum, because he said so, and it was more like a "well killing the inactive is also an valid option" thing. like, if you have nothing better to do anyway, then go after people who are not helping town or hurting town.
Tanzklaue
btw after he flipped town i was so convinced that he would ping my role the next day, but that didn't happen...
Raging Bull
ping your role?

Also the only thing I can notice off is that you were only suspicious of Sephi but you didn't even vote him.
Tanzklaue

Raging Bull wrote:

ping your role?
I'm a coroner. getting the right information from wrong flips is what i do.
Raging Bull
I guess to a lesser extent, the role can match with your character. Judge of the dead? I guess? What was the reason for not voting in D1?
Tanzklaue
no strong scumreads.
NoHitter

Raging Bull wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

I jailed bmin N2, because he was a most likely town and had no immediate power I could interfere with my block.
Also, GiF wasn't likely going to shoot bmin. If I tried going for blocking scum, I may have protected them by mistake.
But if you potentially blocked scum, you might have also prevented a kill. Killing bmin would have made no sense anyways since essentially bmin would be confirmed and can be saved for lylo or in any case where scum can be found.
Back then when I was sending in my decision, I was thinking what would happen if there was only one kill.
If GiF shot town and there would only be one kill, GiF would probably be drawn for the lynch.
NoHitter
Basically I wanted to confirm GiF's role, though that didn't end up well did it.
If the flavor implies that GiF and Dake died together because of hider, then I should have just targeted GiF instead.
Raging Bull
oh damn. i got nothing. teach me how to think that deep
bmin11
If we assume Nyquil is a mafia doublevoter and there are two scums left, we are in a MyLo or 3:3 vote tie if we mislynch and prevent a nightkill.
bmin11
Actually, screw the above post. We'll only be on 3:3 tie if we mislynch and fail to prevent. We are in a safe spot still even if Nyquil is mafia.
Tanzklaue
either bmin or nyquill has to be mafia while the other has to be town.
Nyquill
has it occured to anyone that if I was mafia doublevoter I wouldn't have claimed something else
Nyquill
would have*
Nyquill

Sephibro wrote:

i have already some ideas

but let's go with order, and i want to hear your ideas too

@Nyquill: you have to (or can) send your second vote by pm to jinxy, don't you?
I can't
Nyquill
also: Has it occured to anyone that the flavor for scum left alive is reimu and marisa and I am CONFIRMED yakumo!? use your brains people.
Tanzklaue

Nyquill wrote:

also: Has it occured to anyone that the flavor for scum left alive is reimu and marisa and I am CONFIRMED yakumo!? use your brains people.
nue was scum, and some of gensokyo's more typical scum suspects (flandre, remilia) were town.

would be way to easy to judge it solely on flavour.
if anything, yakumo is one of those "mor elikely to be scum" suspects i'd say.
Tanzklaue
inb4 you missread: reimu and marisa aren't players, as they aren't inviteted to the event. they are more likely the executioners if i had to guess, outside of the game.
Sephibro
ok let's talk about doublevoter role

we recently had a game where there was a town doublevoter (rEdo) and a scum doublevoter (CalignoBot) (multiball)

there were 2 big differences between these 2 roles:
1. town dv has to post his second vote on topic, as if it was a normal vote, while scum dv could post it by pm to the mod
2. town dv appeared with his name in the votecount for both his votes, while the second vote of scum dv was anonymous

I looked for Yakumo Ran on some touhou wiki, and the name of Chen appears immediately, so i feel pretty safe to consider Nyquill town, at least for now
Nyquill
scum DV by pm seems stupid op wtf
Nyquill
By the way, still nothing addressed to my first point. I would really have made an easier claim if I was scum if I was really scum DV
Sephibro

Nyquill wrote:

scum DV by pm seems stupid op wtf
ok this post of yours makes you shift slightly towards scum
Nyquill
I don't think I understand.

also I shifted his vote to farto because his claimed seemed to mask safety with complication
Sephibro
my top 2 scumreads are now NoHitter and fartownik btw

you're third Nyquill
Nyquill
Let me make a quick list here so I can refer back to it later without searching through pages.

Tanz - Coroner (Where's the janitor?)
Nyquill
Fuck I hit control

Nyquill - DV
Farto - Wierd JOAT
RB - Reviver
NH - JK
Sephi - Motivator
Tanzklaue

Nyquill wrote:

Let me make a quick list here so I can refer back to it later without searching through pages.

Tanz - Coroner (Where's the janitor?)
that's a good question. ask that jinxy, not me.
Nyquill
Inb4 we have a death miller
Tanzklaue
also rb is 1 shot bulletproof, not reviver. they are different.
Nyquill
Okay let me try that again (in claim order)

Bmin - Restless spirit (1-day)
Tanz - Auto Coroner (nothing revealed)(Perhaps mafia has a method of knowing a coroner exists which has made them withhold janitor kills)
Nyquill - Double Voter via Chen
Farto - Weird JOAT that has a different ability each night. Targeted me n1 to confirm yakumo, targeted Dake n2 revealed nothing. N3 will be weak doctor, then doctor N4, then Strong Willed Vig.
NoHitter - Jailkeeper. Bmin target n2 (n1?)
Sephi - 2-shot motivator. GiF n2, nothing N1.
Nyquill
RB between Farto and NH - 1 shot bp
NoHitter
Sephi just did two 180's on me.
Scum -> Town -> Scum.

Why?
Sephibro

NoHitter wrote:

Scum -> Town -> Scum.
i read you scum first because i was right
then i read you town for a bit because you didn't hesitate to put your vote on rEdo (but since the choice was among you and him, every scum would have voted his useless scumpartner)
then you're scum again because of poe and because of the jailkeeper claim
NoHitter
Uhh I wasn't even being voted by anyone except you when I switched my vote...
NoHitter
Mod: What happens if a JK and RB block each other?
Sephibro
it generates a paradox and a black hole wipes this game away
Raging Bull
Do we even have a role blocker in this game?
Sephibro
maybe
Raging Bull
It's more like I don't really see the point of the question unless NH is hiding something.
Tanzklaue
I think this question is trivial. you claim that you are town, nh, and thus if there is a role blocker he should be scum. in your hypothetical scenario, only if gif targeted the role blocker you jailkept could've made this a relevant question.

but, we don't know who or even if gif targeted anyone. we don't know if there are 2 role blocking roles in the game. the question has no point at all.
NoHitter
I was just thinking about all the possibilities re: GiF not hitting anyone.

Also:

Sephibro wrote:

it generates a paradox and a black hole wipes this game away
If we don't have a RB, why would GiF target among everyone, the restless spirit?
Sephibro
or the bulletproof
or dake
Tanzklaue
or nobody at all.
Sephibro
yeah but i don't think gif would have done no action tonight
we were 7-2, we didn't risk lylo nor mylo with that kill and he's very confident about his reads

no, he targeted dake or rb, or he was roleblocked
NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

or dake
Oh god... Yeah I apologize for that brain fart xD
bmin11
I'm sure he didn't shoot Raging Bull AKA our BP. He didn't claim to be shot and BP usually gets notified when he gets shot. Also, it's just less likely then GiF shooting me or Dake anyway.

Assuming we have a mafia RB, that makes them having Ninja + RS, RB, and a Janitor as a possible mafia composition. Does this sounds balanced enough against our line up? I don't have any experience with balancing, so...

I'm not too sure what made the mafia to not Janitor kill the first night, nor the second night. I guess it is a fare assumption for them to expect a Coroner, but outright not using it just because of a possibility seems extreme. Though, claiming Coroner as a mafia while there aren't any Janitor kills is equally (or more) extreme, so this is really a big WIFOM.
Topic Starter
Jinxy

NoHitter wrote:

Mod: What happens if a JK and RB block each other?
Both roleblocks will go through and the Roleblocker gets jailed.

Raging Bull wrote:

@Mod, does hider die if she hides behind scum?
Yes
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Vote Count 3.2
fartownik (1) - Nyquill
Tanzklaue (1) - Chen

Not Voting: Sephibro, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue, NoHitter, fartownik, bmin11

Day ends in around 2 days and 12 hours.
Raging Bull
I think he was scum reading dake at the end? I wasnt shot. Also what nh said about not jking scum, if there was only one death and gif shot town, im sure he would immediately claim.
Not sure, going to sleep however.
Sephibro

bmin11 wrote:

Assuming we have a mafia RB, that makes them having Ninja + RS, RB, and a Janitor as a possible mafia composition.
where this come from
bmin11

Jinxy wrote:

End of Day 2 Votecount
rEdo (6) - Raging Bull, bmin11, GuyInFreezer, NoHitter, Sephibro, DakeDekaane
bmin11 (1) - Tanzklaue
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
Sephibro (1) - rEdo

Not Voting: Nyquill

"Wha-! R-Reimu? What are you doing!?" Nue shouted out, but was still promptly sealed.

rEdo - Houjuu Nue - Mafia 2-shot Ninja and 2-shot Rolestopper - Sealed D2


It is now Night 2.

Day 3 starts in 1 day.
Sephibro
oh i forgot about it
Nyquill
I was about to say, their roleblocker died.

Btw bmin, just to make sure, your role is AUTO activate right
Sephibro

Nyquill wrote:

I was about to say, their roleblocker died.

Btw bmin, just to make sure, your role is AUTO activate right

bmin11 wrote:

I can use it any night I want and I'll be able to vote the following day.
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