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GuyInFreezer
Just to verify*
Sephibro
scumslip*
Raging Bull
Damn you for suspecting me gif. I gave my reason. :(
GuyInFreezer
Who said anything about suspicion?
The only criteria for the vig pool was that they were outside of a ONI wagon.
GuyInFreezer
Hey ONI
For curiosity, did you come from custom map sc2mafia or forum sc2mafia?
Raging Bull
Custom map
Raging Bull
Why the hell wont you check the oni wagon instead?
Tanzklaue

Raging Bull wrote:

Why the hell wont you check the oni wagon instead?
probably because he thinks that one scum is inside the wagon and one is outside the wagon.

outside the wagon are 4 guys, inside are 6 excluding him.

probability says higher chance of hitting scum when shooting outside the wagon.
GuyInFreezer
Because we're lynching one from there
Topic Starter
Jinxy
End of Day 1 Votecount
- O n i - (7) - GuyInFreezer, pieguy1372, NoHitter, Nyquill, rEdo, Sephibro, DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - - O n i -
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
bmin11 (1) - Raging Bull

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After talking about Reimu’s plans with the invitees, an uncomfortable atmosphere quickly enveloped the symposium. Throughout the day, the discussions would inevitably turn into accusing someone of being Reimu’s accomplice. By the end of the day, the majority of the invitees decided on Remilia Scarlet. She was unusually quiet throughout the day, and shrugged it off as being new to such a large gathering (that wasn’t a party). Though, most did not buy that explanation and requested her to leave the symposium.

”Sorry about that, but we’re going to have to ask you to leave the symposium. Please do not come back tomorrow.”
“Wha-?! You can’t do this, I’m the Scarlet Devil! Is it because I speak in red like Reimu?! I’m just not used to… Actually, no, FINE! I totally am in cahoots with Reimu! I never liked this stupid meeting anyway, it’s so boring! ”


And with that, Remilia walked out angrily, a while before the symposium properly ended for the day. As she went back to the Scarlet Devil Mansion alone…

Spirit Sign, "Fantasy Seal".

- O n i - - Remilia Scarlet - Town Redirector - Sealed D1

It is now Night 1.

Day 2 starts in 1 day.
pieguyn
SHIT
I forgot deadline was so close
someone tlel me what's going on
- O n i -
LOL
Tanzklaue
wtf oni

just wtf
Topic Starter
Jinxy
Toyosatomimi no Miko thought about what had happened at the symposium. Maybe she could discover the accomplices by hearing the desires of those who went. Sitting down in a small shack late at night, she started looking for particularly strong desires.

Sure enough, a few started surfacing. The desires they had when they agreed with Reimu’s plan. But above all, the desire to…

...Kill me?

She sprinted out of the shack. All she had to do was to reach one of her entrances to Senkai, then she’d be saf-



pieguy1372 - Toyosatomimi no Miko - Town Tracker - Killed N1

”Remilia has disappeared, and Miko’s body was found this morning. Reimu isn’t playing around any more...”
“I never thought she would go that far as the Shrine Maiden. Well, we definitely hav’ta stop her now.”


It is now Day 2. It takes 6 votes to lynch.

Night 2 starts in 5 days.
Nyquill
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip
Nyquill
yandere reimu is very strong
NoHitter
Well sorry guys, I have nothing useful to say from the Night.
Topic Starter
Jinxy
It takes 6 votes to lynch.
Nyquill
thank you for the addenum
DakeDekaane
Well, that sucks. GIF?
Raging Bull
I'm not really smart or anything (\:D/) but the only thing I can think of is someone roleblocking GIF or a protector role protected the non oni voters. Or GIF has something else planned.
Raging Bull
Also didn't realize oni would play like that to fake claim scum. But god damn, I hope you guys had some info from that lynch.
Nyquill
GIF, we need you :<
DakeDekaane
Actually I have some things in mind, but won't tell what until GIF appears.
Nyquill
I have a feeling I know what
GuyInFreezer
Hold on checking something
GuyInFreezer
Yup. Missed a deadline. :<
(Was gonna vig farto btw)
Nyquill
back to square uno
GuyInFreezer
Night deadline was too short for me ;-;
I came to this site two hours before the deadline and saw ONI TOWNflip so I panicked because the vigpool was in the assumption of ONI scum which he claimed.
I was working with the basis of two scums on ONI wagon, but too many people looked town there so in the end I chose farto (which is from outside of the wagon) but I was 30 min late apparently (even though I could've sworn the day 2 hasn't started when I PM'd the mod)
pieguyn
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

go town :D
Nyquill
thats a fairly elaborate explaination but I'll buy it for now.

Anyone else have information to share? If not then I have a suggestion.
Nyquill
...which will wait until I wake up because I need to sleep now.
GuyInFreezer
vote: farto
Raging Bull

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Night deadline was too short for me ;-;
I came to this site two hours before the deadline and saw ONI TOWNflip so I panicked because the vigpool was in the assumption of ONI scum which he claimed.
I was working with the basis of two scums on ONI wagon, but too many people looked town there so in the end I chose farto (which is from outside of the wagon) but I was 30 min late apparently (even though I could've sworn the day 2 hasn't started when I PM'd the mod)
I thought you were originally going to shoot outside the wagon anyways?
GuyInFreezer
I was.
But then I saw townflip and thought shooting inside of the wagon would be better (bc usually 2 scums on a wagon in a case like this)
But then so many ppl there looked town in various degrees so I got scared and went back to the outside of wagon.

Also good point to note that pie hated farto's posts before he died.
DakeDekaane
That was far away from what I was thinking, shame on you GIF :(
Tanzklaue

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Night deadline was too short for me ;-;
I came to this site two hours before the deadline and saw ONI TOWNflip so I panicked because the vigpool was in the assumption of ONI scum which he claimed.
I was working with the basis of two scums on ONI wagon, but too many people looked town there so in the end I chose farto (which is from outside of the wagon) but I was 30 min late apparently (even though I could've sworn the day 2 hasn't started when I PM'd the mod)
so a guy with 60+ games and a 60% winrate didn't think that he should check the actual flip way before the deadline ends, then panics extremely and doesn't submit his night action?

it happens to the best, but maybe you will be a little bit more careful now ;)

i don't really understand the pieguy kill, he wasn't that overly active (though i can't check iso because we don't have one :C), and really all he did was parking his vote on oni, a guy they knew was town. it doesn't make sense to me to shoot one of the guys who didn't contribute that much (maybe him staying down was the exact reason they shot him).
Sephibro
vote: GuyInFreezer

now sheep uncle Sephi as you should have done d1
Sephibro
and 60% is a shitty winrate, js
why do you people still think that retard can play this game, i can't get it
Sephibro
oh btw if someone has gathered useful information tonight, please share it with us
Sephibro

DakeDekaane wrote:

That was far away from what I was thinking, shame on you GIF :(
i know what you were thinking
Sephibro

Tanzklaue wrote:

(though i can't check iso because we don't have one :C)


oh and i don't like you
NoHitter
I just realized Flandre lynched Remilia xD
So much for their relationship in the mansion.

Anyway, GiF, Tanz and farto are town reads for me atm due to their reaction after Oni "claimed" scum.

Vote: bmin
His "I don't want to interrupt discussions" and that pointless question struck me odd as I was skimming through the thread.
GuyInFreezer

Tanzklaue wrote:

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Night deadline was too short for me ;-;
I came to this site two hours before the deadline and saw ONI TOWNflip so I panicked because the vigpool was in the assumption of ONI scum which he claimed.
I was working with the basis of two scums on ONI wagon, but too many people looked town there so in the end I chose farto (which is from outside of the wagon) but I was 30 min late apparently (even though I could've sworn the day 2 hasn't started when I PM'd the mod)
so a guy with 60+ games and a 60% winrate didn't think that he should check the actual flip way before the deadline ends, then panics extremely and doesn't submit his night action?

it happens to the best, but maybe you will be a little bit more careful now ;)

i don't really understand the pieguy kill, he wasn't that overly active (though i can't check iso because we don't have one :C), and really all he did was parking his vote on oni, a guy they knew was town. it doesn't make sense to me to shoot one of the guys who didn't contribute that much (maybe him staying down was the exact reason they shot him).
I wasn't on the site to check the flip until later because I was busy irl :P
GuyInFreezer

Tanzklaue wrote:

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Night deadline was too short for me ;-;
I came to this site two hours before the deadline and saw ONI TOWNflip so I panicked because the vigpool was in the assumption of ONI scum which he claimed.
I was working with the basis of two scums on ONI wagon, but too many people looked town there so in the end I chose farto (which is from outside of the wagon) but I was 30 min late apparently (even though I could've sworn the day 2 hasn't started when I PM'd the mod)
so a guy with 60+ games and a 60% winrate didn't think that he should check the actual flip way before the deadline ends, then panics extremely and doesn't submit his night action?

it happens to the best, but maybe you will be a little bit more careful now ;)

i don't really understand the pieguy kill, he wasn't that overly active (though i can't check iso because we don't have one :C), and really all he did was parking his vote on oni, a guy they knew was town. it doesn't make sense to me to shoot one of the guys who didn't contribute that much (maybe him staying down was the exact reason they shot him).
I was busy irl so I couldn't check the flip until way later :P
GuyInFreezer
Wow I thought iPod ate my post
GuyInFreezer
Also pieguy was actually pretty town and is generally annoying for scum to leave him alive most of the time.
I wasn't surprised that he died.
Tanzklaue
like i said, no offense taken, it happens to the best of us. just watch out that it doesn't happen again.

also,

Vote: Sephibro
because there is no one who disrupts towndiscussion more than him.
Sephibro

NoHitter wrote:

Anyway, GiF, Tanz and farto are town reads for me atm due to their reaction after Oni "claimed" scum.
this post by farto sounds scummy

fartownik wrote:

Oh, right. Never mind then. I smelled super saint/vengeful for a moment there.
Tanz gave no cotribution to town, he just sheeped gif stupid ideas and complained that i shouldn't be rude all day long
gif must die irl + cheapest excuse ever

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Yup. Missed a deadline. :<
(Was gonna vig farto btw)
am i the only one who saw an association between farto and gif?
NoHitter
Oh I missed that post of farto. From the context, it does sound scummy.
Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

Anyway, GiF, Tanz and farto are town reads for me atm due to their reaction after Oni "claimed" scum.
this post by farto sounds scummy

fartownik wrote:

Oh, right. Never mind then. I smelled super saint/vengeful for a moment there.
Tanz gave no cotribution to town, he just sheeped gif stupid ideas and complained that i shouldn't be rude all day long
gif must die irl + cheapest excuse ever
ha, i like how you forgot that i basically said that your idea of no lynch makes sense. never did i sheep gif's ideas. i didn't vote oni, i would've voted NL if it had any chance of passing through.

but please, continue.
Sephibro
oh you kept complaining about me even while i was writing the post

now please explain me how the only person who proposed the right way to go d1 is disrupting towndiscussion more than one who writes in every post of his that i'm disrupting towndiscussion
Sephibro

Tanzklaue wrote:

ha, i like how you forgot that i basically said that your idea of no lynch makes sense. never did i sheep gif's ideas. i didn't vote oni, i would've voted NL if it had any chance of passing through.

but please, continue.
you never gave a motivation for WHY it made no sense, i gave a motivation for why it made sense tho

oh i forgot you're a fucking retarded sorry
Tanzklaue
because your way wasn't the only right way. it's as simple as that.

also you tell everyone to shut up and do what you think is the right thing to do. if that isn't hindering towndiscussion, then what is?
Tanzklaue
I don't get why mods still allow you to play honestly.
Sephibro

Tanzklaue wrote:

because your way wasn't the only right way. it's as simple as that.
you didn't give another way nor motivations to support it

guys i want one lynched among {farto, tanz, gif, dake}
Raging Bull

Sephibro wrote:

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Yup. Missed a deadline. :<
(Was gonna vig farto btw)
am i the only one who saw an association between farto and gif?
Not really. But GIF does mention farto a lot in his post. I don't think they would blatantly look as if they are buddying like that.
Sephibro
actually i have another case about Tanz

if you're really hider, why didn't you tell us behind who you hid tonight?
Topic Starter
Jinxy
This is getting out of hand.

Sephibro, this is your last warning to clean up your behaviour and treat the other players with respect.

I don't care what you think of them or their opinions, but there is a line between discussions and arguments to forward the game as a whole, and completely unnecessary personal attacks.

Do not cross that line.
Sephibro
what happens in mafia stays in mafia is it really that hard
rEdo
Hello.

Vote: Sephibro
a) disrupting most of our discussions with bullshit;
b) despite forcing the NoLynch thing, he hopped into the Oni wagon with no actual reason

Also, what's your reason to vote GIF? You indeed have mentioned D1 that he's one of your scumreads, but you were at your NL suggestion. And now? What's up with this vote? Did you get some information to think of him as scum?
Sephibro
rofl is this a joke
Raging Bull
Somehow I'm reading that vote as "Sephibro is just offending everyone and mod threatened to replace him, so I'm going to vote him"
Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

actually i have another case about Tanz

if you're really hider, why didn't you tell us behind who you hid tonight?
and now comes the bitter moment of truth.

I am no hider. I never actually meant to say that i was. i tried to reference the fact that we had an mafia commuter in touhou pyp IV on this very forum (i always mix up commuter and hider). that whole "tanz soft/hard claimed hider 100% conf town" wasn't at all what i wanted.

gif said "don't say whether i am right or wrong", and i thought "i will 'hide' behind the claim of hider until my role actually gives me any information".

which it didn't. which surprises me, because i thought that the existence of my role would indicate the existence of a specific mafia role.
rEdo

Raging Bull wrote:

Somehow I'm reading that vote as "Sephibro is just offending everyone and mod threatened to replace him, so I'm going to vote him"
Nope, I have a difference case on him, concerning the Oni wagon. and GIF vote, like I have stated before
Sephibro
it's hard to play with so many people disrupting my conversation with myself
Raging Bull
explain your own vote for the oni wagon then. You just somehow got easily convinced by GIF with him saying how sc2 mafia-ers play.

Getting scummy vibes on rEdo and null scum from GIF especially from the non shooting at night.
Sephibro

rEdo wrote:

Nope, I have a difference case on him, concerning the Oni wagon. and GIF vote, like I have stated before
concerning the oni wagon: since nobody was willing to go for the clever way, i jumped there to put him at L-1 and let dake hammer him

i could have understood this case if he flipped scum
Tanzklaue
Unvote

let's stop this wagon before it even starts.

I calmed down a bit regarding sephi, my actual read on him is rather null. same for gif. if gif doesn't shoot this night, then he will be lynched day 3.
rEdo
In day 1, I have said that I'm getting scumvibes from Oni's and Sephibro's posts. Pretty much everyone else remained null to me, that's why I focused on these two people. Since I wanted this guy to talk, I placed my vote on him. At first I indeed was reluctant to vote, but the "gif might be scum he claimed vig" sounded like a completely stupid way to redirect the attention from his person, hence my vote. Also, most oftenly votes are a good way to force people to talk. Too bad it didn't work out too well this time :'(
GuyInFreezer
- O n i - (7) - GuyInFreezer, pieguy1372, NoHitter, Nyquill, rEdo, Sephibro, DakeDekaane
Anyway here's what I had on the ppl here.
GIF- town
Pieguy - he's dead town so no need to explain myself
NH - what I felt about him in several past games are that he got really tired with playing scum. Psychologically speaking, I think if he rolled scum, he would've been more lurky and whiny than his play right now, so town.
Nyquill - I liked his "if we're lynching, it better be a full wagon" thing.
Sephi - I seriously considered shooting him last night for policy utility. But I was leaning town on him in general and I wanted to read that multiball game before solidifying a read on him

- - - - - - - - -

This leaves two people who was on ONI wagon. I don't have a townread strong as the others above, but I could see them being town.

rEdo - iirc, his reason to join a ONI wagon was "fuck it." That's usually a town attitude IMO but he was being useless.

DD - I have a "DD lurks hard as scum" bias so that's kinda keeping me from putting him to scum pile but I don't remember any significant thing he did yesterday. Considered shooting him too.
Sephibro
this post of tanz seems genuine, but

Tanzklaue wrote:

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Of course, excluding the PRs that are provable and just can't be scum for balance reason and such (such as IC, 1SV)
like hider? :D
would you please explain me this one, then?
it looked as a claim (not even a soft one) to me too
GuyInFreezer
Also here's a reminder for y'all that sephi did stated his scumread on ONI.
Sephibro

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Nyquill - I liked his "if we're lynching, it better be a full wagon" thing.
ehm i said it not nyquill
Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

this post of tanz seems genuine, but

like hider? :D
would you please explain me this one, then?
it looked as a claim (not even a soft one) to me too[/quote]
like i said, a messed up reference to touhou pyp IV, where we had an mafia commuter (commuter are normally also one of these roles that are just always town).
Raging Bull

rEdo wrote:

In day 1, I have said that I'm getting scumvibes from Oni's and Sephibro's posts. Pretty much everyone else remained null to me, that's why I focused on these two people. Since I wanted this guy to talk, I placed my vote on him. At first I indeed was reluctant to vote, but the "gif might be scum he claimed vig" sounded like a completely stupid way to redirect the attention from his person, hence my vote. Also, most oftenly votes are a good way to force people to talk. Too bad it didn't work out too well this time :'(
No you rEtard. You voted for Oni right after GIF said how sc2 mafia plays p/2779715 within 10 minutes of your first post of not going to vote him and then voting him.


vote:rEdo
Tanzklaue
oh god i messed that quote up like there is no tomorrow
Sephibro

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Also here's a reminder for y'all that sephi did stated his scumread on ONI.
of course i did
it's page 4's last post!
GuyInFreezer
Didn't he said that before you did?
Raging Bull

Tanzklaue wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

this post of tanz seems genuine, but

like hider? :D
would you please explain me this one, then?
it looked as a claim (not even a soft one) to me too
like i said, a messed up reference to touhou pyp IV, where we had an mafia commuter (commuter are normally also one of these roles that are just always town).[/quote]

The previous touhou?
Raging Bull
oh cool. My first broken quote.
Tanzklaue

Raging Bull wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

like i said, a messed up reference to touhou pyp IV, where we had an mafia commuter (commuter are normally also one of these roles that are just always town).
The previous touhou?
yes the previous one
GuyInFreezer
Hider != commuter
Sephibro
@tanz: and why didn't you explain that immediately or at least right at the beginning of d2?
you just hid behind hider fakeclaim for getting towncred
that confession seems genuine but still you understand it's a delicate situation

Tanzklaue wrote:

oh god i messed that quote up like there is no tomorrow
lol i use that expression a lot too in my language
Tanzklaue

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Hider != commuter
I always mess them up.
rEdo

Raging Bull wrote:

No you rEtard. You voted for Oni right after GIF said how sc2 mafia plays p/2779715 within 10 minutes of your first post of not going to vote him and then voting him.


vote:rEdo
Yes, I indeed have, but take a look at this:

rEdo wrote:

By the way, if Oni won't speak until the last hours of deadline, I'm willing to hammer/place one more vote that won't do shit so the day ends with a NL because people can't establish their reads.

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Jsyk sc2mafia players know to claim upon L-1.
Also, I have reread his ISO (there wasn't much to read anyway) after the first post you're talking about, and that combined with GIF's telling me of that L-1 thingie resulted in a vote.
rEdo
Also, Sephibro once again have ignored my question why he thinks of GIF as scum.
GuyInFreezer
He hates me that's why.
Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

@tanz: and why didn't you explain that immediately or at least right at the beginning of d2?
you just hid behind hider fakeclaim for getting towncred
that confession seems genuine but still you understand it's a delicate situation

Tanzklaue wrote:

oh god i messed that quote up like there is no tomorrow
lol i use that expression a lot too in my language
I do understand that.

normally i would have, because i really expected my role to ping this morning. but it didn't. now i am confused as to where my role even places.

so i decided to hide behind the fake roll a little longer, so mafia wouldn't think of axing me of. which is irrelevant now, because i am apparently not here to counter a mafia role.

in retrospect, i should've explained the missunderstanding from the beginning on. I am sorry for the confusion.
Sephibro

Raging Bull wrote:

No you rEtard

Raging Bull wrote:

No you rEtard

Raging Bull wrote:

No you rEtard

Raging Bull wrote:

No you rEtard
can i hug you?
Raging Bull

rEdo wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

No you rEtard. You voted for Oni right after GIF said how sc2 mafia plays p/2779715 within 10 minutes of your first post of not going to vote him and then voting him.


vote:rEdo
Yes, I indeed have, but take a look at this:

rEdo wrote:

By the way, if Oni won't speak until the last hours of deadline, I'm willing to hammer/place one more vote that won't do shit so the day ends with a NL because people can't establish their reads.

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Jsyk sc2mafia players know to claim upon L-1.
Also, I have reread his ISO (there wasn't much to read anyway) after the first post you're talking about, and that combined with GIF's telling me of that L-1 thingie resulted in a vote.
Seems like you didn't need much convincing to vote is all im reading.
Raging Bull

Sephibro wrote:

can i hug you?

Raging Bull wrote:

No you rEtard
rEdo

Raging Bull wrote:

Seems like you didn't need much convincing to vote is all im reading.
A way to make him talk was more than enough for me. Too bad that he wasn't really interested in the game at all.
Sephibro
nah i don't hate you at all gif, i also used to respect you as a player
but you made me change my mind after what you showed on dethy mafia and here ;)
</ot>

btw i think i've explained already every case i have on gif, didn't i?
rEdo

Sephibro wrote:

btw i think i've explained already every case i have on gif, didn't i?
After taking a quick look over your ISO, I'm afraid not. You were fighting with him at a certain point, but nothing more than that.
Sephibro
ok then

pushing a lynch instead of no lynch giving fake success percentages (30% instead of 12~15%)
claiming vig d1 to get towncred
not vigging anyone n1
bringing cheap excuses
Sephibro

Raging Bull wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

can i hug you?

Raging Bull wrote:

No you rEtard
Raging Bull
wat the hell does that have to do with anything.
GuyInFreezer
Hey still my townreads were good in that game (And didn't vote you)
I was already being townread when I claimed vig so
Sephibro

GuyInFreezer wrote:

I was already being townread when I claimed vig so
were you?
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