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Sephibro
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Sephibro

Sephibro wrote:

1. people have an average of 10~15 posts each (included pre-start posts) and 4 people (fartownik, rEdo, bmin11, - O n i -) have less than 5 posts. A lynch would give us 0 or nearly 0 information
2. this is most likely role madness, so if we lynch someone who's not scum, we lynch a pr
3. this is most likely role madness, so if someone gets pressured and has a brain, he will claim his role for sure -> we'll have to change wagon and restart from the beginning, we don't have enough time for that and i don't support this way of playing
try to convince me that lynching is better, farto
fartownik

Nyquill wrote:

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A valid point on plurality lynch was brought up. If you don't want to nl, you should be on one of the two wagons before day ends very soon.[/quote]
And who says I have to? I don't want neither NL nor Oni lynch, it's not my fault you guys were scuffling for past days instead of finding the best lynch possible.
rEdo
holy shit I'm done

Vote: Sephibro
fartownik
^ best quote 2016
Nyquill

fartownik wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

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A valid point on plurality lynch was brought up. If you don't want to nl, you should be on one of the two wagons before day ends very soon.
And who says I have to? I don't want neither NL nor Oni lynch, it's not my fault you guys were scuffling for past days instead of finding the best lynch possible.[/quote]
then wagon sephi?
rEdo
thank you :))
rEdo
you guys are the kings of quoting btw
Nyquill
the quotes break by themselves, idk
Sephibro

fartownik wrote:

it's not my fault you guys were scuffling for past days instead of finding the best lynch possible.
you had 4 posts until few hours ago
Nyquill
I'd also rather you guys not choose to wagon sephi though, unless you are implying oni has done more to help the game.
Sephibro
this game is very hilarious
can we decide who's getting lynched with some random generator stuff

we actually have a better chance of getting scum than what we're doing now
Sephibro
and js it's not a joke
Nyquill
I thought that was against the rules
rEdo
*opens a pack with popcorn*
Maddies gonna *munch* mad.

Sephibro has way too much flaws in his logic that I refuse to believe that this is a townie's try to get information. He has his scumreads and refuses to lynch because NL is going to give information? Just fucking how.
Sephibro
vote: No Lynch

a free osu dildo for the first 6 who vote no lynch!
Nyquill

rEdo wrote:

because NL is going to give information?
uh
Nyquill
also just my two cents: I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter, NL in this situation has just about as much chance to provide information as a lynch does.
Nyquill
Though I'm pretty sure redo missed the part where sephi stated he really wants a nolynch
fartownik

Sephibro wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

1. people have an average of 10~15 posts each (included pre-start posts) and 4 people (fartownik, rEdo, bmin11, - O n i -) have less than 5 posts. A lynch would give us 0 or nearly 0 information
2. this is most likely role madness, so if we lynch someone who's not scum, we lynch a pr
3. this is most likely role madness, so if someone gets pressured and has a brain, he will claim his role for sure -> we'll have to change wagon and restart from the beginning, we don't have enough time for that and i don't support this way of playing
try to convince me that lynching is better, farto
READ PEOPLE, get the best out of what has been said in D1 and vote for someone you think is scum. D1 has 20 pages, don't tell me you can't get ANYTHING by reading them. That's the base of this game in which you lynch scum, with your logic we could be as well no lynching everyday and that wouldn't give us any chance of getting scum.

This is pretty much similar to what we were talking about a few days ago on IRC.

Also all of your points from this quote are invalid. 1. Lynch is ALWAYS informative., 2. The argument of being too afraid of losing PRs while nolynching is always stupid and I will always call it stupid. PRs are important, but not as important to block a lynch from happening., 3. I can see it only being legit when someone claims a pro-town role only, which is likely to happen in a very few cases in a game (also GiF already claimed Vig which is a pro-Town role so the probability of this is even lower). Also in the end, we shouldn't look at roles themselves when lynching but rather at the behavior of a player.
rEdo
Nah, I didn't miss it. I just don't know how a NL would be any better than a lynch.

Sephibro wrote:

1. people have an average of 10~15 posts each (included pre-start posts) and 4 people (fartownik, rEdo, bmin11, - O n i -) have less than 5 posts. A lynch would give us 0 or nearly 0 information
Somebody flips town - that's a good opportunity to try pushing down people that were on the wagon. There is a high possibility that scum is on that wagon.
Somebody flips scum - weee!

Sephibro wrote:

2. this is most likely role madness, so if we lynch someone who's not scum, we lynch a pr
3. this is most likely role madness, so if someone gets pressured and has a brain, he will claim his role for sure -> we'll have to change wagon and restart from the beginning, we don't have enough time for that and i don't support this way of playing[/quote]
Oni didn't claim yet, though. Can you explain that?
rEdo
Achievement unlocked (osu!mafia): Break a quote
Nyquill
His point is that we don't necessarily want a pr to claim
GuyInFreezer
Yeah. In role madness where everyone is PRs
fartownik

Nyquill wrote:

His point is that we don't necessarily want a pr to claim

Sephibro wrote:

we'll have to change wagon and restart from the beginning, we don't have enough time for that and i don't support this way of playing
Really? For me it sounds like it's just too time-consuming for all PRs to claim.
Sephibro

rEdo wrote:

Oni didn't claim yet, though. Can you explain that?
mafia newbie
Sephibro
also he didn't post at all
rEdo

rEdo wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

1. people have an average of 10~15 posts each (included pre-start posts) and 4 people (fartownik, rEdo, bmin11, - O n i -) have less than 5 posts. A lynch would give us 0 or nearly 0 information
Somebody flips town - that's a good opportunity to try pushing down people that were on the wagon. There is a high possibility that scum is on that wagon.
Somebody flips scum - weee!

Sephibro wrote:

mafia newbie
After reading stuff in the boxes above - why do you still refuse to vote him? You think he's scum, don't you? In which way a no-lynch is better over a lynch on somebody who you consider as scum? THIS is something I just can't understand and bugs me to the extreme.
rEdo
By the way, if Oni won't speak until the last hours of deadline, I'm willing to hammer/place one more vote that won't do shit so the day ends with a NL because people can't establish their reads.
GuyInFreezer
Jayk sc2mafia players know to claim upon L-1.
GuyInFreezer
Jsyk*
rEdo
Okay then, if that's going to help, then why not.

Vote: Oni
fartownik
That's not helping at all. Why would you do something against your reads?
rEdo
is my anus delicious :))
Sephibro
was that a hammer?
Nyquill
I think thats 5
rEdo
Nah, this sets him in a L-2.
rEdo
Oh, we need 7 votes. This was the fourth one, so it's actually a L-3.
Nyquill
too many lurkers make me sad
DakeDekaane
Oni has 5 vots atm. (GIF, pieguy, NH, Nyqull, rEdo), wtf rEdo, saying he's at L-3 is dangerous as shit.

Willing to hammer Oni if the situations comes up and he's not around here.
DakeDekaane
dem typos
Raging Bull

Nyquill wrote:

too many lurkers make me sad


I hope you dont mean me because of time zone. And as for your question, you cant say i parked my vote on bmin after i unvoted dake. Or well not sure what you mean though
DakeDekaane
I think I should state it louder
Willing to hammer Oni[b] so come here and say at least who is scum (or think or whatever, dead ppl can't talk in the case we mislynch).

As nobody wants to lynch Sephi
[b]Unvote
DakeDekaane
GG Dake
rEdo

DakeDekaane wrote:

Oni has 5 vots atm. (GIF, pieguy, NH, Nyqull, rEdo), wtf rEdo, saying he's at L-3 is dangerous as shit.

Willing to hammer Oni if the situations comes up and he's not around here.
I thought I'm the fourth one o.o
DakeDekaane
You should read more carefully next time >.>
Sephibro
oh well since you are all braindead

vote: oni

let's make this agony end soon
NoHitter
Oni should appear now.
Sephibro
this game is giving me cancer
NoHitter
Also doc should probably be on GiF.
I wouldn't be surprised though if he gets RB'd
NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

this game is giving me cancer
just saying that what you think is ideal =/= what others think is ideal
Nyquill

NoHitter wrote:

Also doc should probably be on GiF.
I wouldn't be surprised though if he gets RB'd
wow good job nh you put into words one of the many ways gif isn't conf
Sephibro

NoHitter wrote:

just saying that what you think is ideal =/= what others think is ideal
mine are not thoughts, i give facts
people think something is ideal without giving facts to demonstrate it and whining to the one who is suggesting the right choice
DakeDekaane
Don't let your eyes deceive you.
Tanzklaue
@everyone

please calm down. this is a game. there is absofuckinglutely no reason to insult people. and no, most of the things uttered here are beyond jokingly. FAR beyond it.
Tanzklaue

General Rules wrote:

Conduct

19. Be courteous and respectful to your fellow players.

20. Blatantly antisocial and offensive behaviour or personal attacks will be grounds for replacement at the host's discretion.

21. Finally, Mafia is for fun, so enjoy yourself.
Nyquill
Seriously, just trust that people are mature enough to keep what happens in mafia in mafia. Its part of the skillset for mafia to keep your emotions in check.
Sephibro
why do i love nyquill so much
Tanzklaue
in that case, I would be up for a lynch on sephi. any change to the environment that doesn't make reading "discussions" a pain in the ass can only be good for town.
DakeDekaane
GIF can vig him too, or we can lynch him tomorrow too.

Vote: Oni
=====[ ]

If you happen to be here, say your last words at least pls.
- O n i -
hello i just came on now
- O n i -
damn you guys got me
good job gif for catching scum
GuyInFreezer
Now somebody hammer please
fartownik
LOL
Sephibro
oh well
- O n i -
waiting
Sephibro
wow you reached 10 posts with this last one!

great goal
fartownik
I'm not hammering that.
Sephibro
well dake hammered if im not wrong
fartownik
Oh, right. Never mind then. I smelled super saint/vengeful for a moment there.
GuyInFreezer
I thought it was L-1?
Did I miss a vote between rEdo's and DD's?
DakeDekaane
If I counted correctly I hammered (anyways he'll be lynched).

Now let's wait it's not a troll.
rEdo
In chronological order:

Jinxy wrote:

Vote Count 1.4.7
- O n i - (3) - GuyInFreezer, pieguy1372, NoHitter
Sephibro (2) - - O n i -, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
bmin11 (1) - Raging Bull
No Lynch (1) - Sephibro

Last Vote Count of the Day.

Deadline is in around 12 hours.

Nyquill wrote:

well we should hammer oni then bye oni
Vote: Oni

rEdo wrote:

Okay then, if that's going to help, then why not.

Vote: Oni

Sephibro wrote:

oh well since you are all braindead

vote: oni

let's make this agony end soon

DakeDekaane wrote:

GIF can vig him too, or we can lynch him tomorrow too.

Vote: Oni
=====[ ]

If you happen to be here, say your last words at least pls.
GuyInFreezer
Oh sephi voted.
GuyInFreezer
And tomorrow, we find a bussor on oni's wagon.
GuyInFreezer
I'm gonna shoot one of the ppl who wasn't on the wagon btw
fartownik
GG then. I still think lynching a newbie is usually bad D1 and we shouldn't have done that, but it's good we got one scum down D1 already.
GuyInFreezer
We can tell him few things in dead QT if we get there and post-game.
But rolling scum in the first game is just brutal though.
Tanzklaue

fartownik wrote:

GG then. I still think lynching a newbie is usually bad D1 and we shouldn't have done that, but it's good we got one scum down D1 already.
well, he didn't do his best to convince anyone if you're honest. on day 1, especially without many scumreads, lynching a guy who obviously doesn't give a fuck about the game is always an option.

also agree with gif, there is obviously a busser on that wagon. mafia somehow needs to salvage this, and a bus is a gamble that might work out for them.
fartownik
Well, the fact that he came here right after the hammer implies that he was watching this game actively, just didn't post anything, probably because he had no idea what to do.
GuyInFreezer
{bmin, farto, RB, someone who I can't remember the name of}
fartownik
B-but :(
GuyInFreezer
Hey farto
Feeling like teaching ONI a few things in a dead QT?
Tanzklaue

GuyInFreezer wrote:

{bmin, farto, RB, someone who I can't remember the name of}
ey asshole, how can you forget me >:(
Sephibro
we are all waiting for jinxy like a child waiting for christmas
GuyInFreezer
Well ok.
Btw that's a vig pool.
fartownik

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Hey farto
Feeling like teaching ONI a few things in a dead QT?
STOHP THIS MADNESS

I thought he's just another newb that can't do shit and is always bussed by scum :(
Tanzklaue

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Well ok.
Btw that's a vig pool.
I know that.

I still feel hurt that you would forget my name :(
GuyInFreezer
Oh also does anyone remember who asked mod if scum had daytalk or not?
Sephibro
the korean guy iirc
Sephibro
p/2779558/
that post caught my attention too
GuyInFreezer
I wouldn't mind vigging him too just to get verify if that question (which mod obv wasn't gonna answer) was faked townslip attempting to get towncred.
GuyInFreezer
Just to verify*
Sephibro
scumslip*
Raging Bull
Damn you for suspecting me gif. I gave my reason. :(
GuyInFreezer
Who said anything about suspicion?
The only criteria for the vig pool was that they were outside of a ONI wagon.
GuyInFreezer
Hey ONI
For curiosity, did you come from custom map sc2mafia or forum sc2mafia?
Raging Bull
Custom map
Raging Bull
Why the hell wont you check the oni wagon instead?
Tanzklaue

Raging Bull wrote:

Why the hell wont you check the oni wagon instead?
probably because he thinks that one scum is inside the wagon and one is outside the wagon.

outside the wagon are 4 guys, inside are 6 excluding him.

probability says higher chance of hitting scum when shooting outside the wagon.
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