NoHitter wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

@Mod: How is the deadline affected when the leader is elected?

There is no change. The deadline will remain the same, which is one week.

Probably. We still have 5 days then.

CalignoBot wrote:

We get the best of both worlds by mixing the two together. Having the town agree on a small lynch pool and having the lyncher choose from that pool gives us information from both ends of the spectrum.

No
If Jinxy is scum and we give him the freedom to choose who's being lynched in a pool that contains 2 scum and 2 town, who do you think he will choose? Will we get any information about Jinxy's alignment with that?

unvote, vote: CalignoBot
FoS: fartownik

we're doing standard votes now, Jinxy will keep the votecount for that


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I hope you didn't do that ISO manually because I already have one generated in the stickied ISO thread

i always look in that thread before doing it manually
i should really make a program for that

Sephibro wrote:

i always look in that thread before doing it manually
i should really make a program for that

last post perhaps, not the thread OP

what's the point of this post of yours?

Sephibro wrote:

what's the point of this post of yours?

That Jinxy did the ISO already and its found in the last post and not the OP?

i think i know since that's where i took it from

Off topic: Well it's more like why create one when it's here already.


Also are we doing actual vote now instead of pvote?

Raging Bull wrote:

Off topic: Well it's more like why create one when it's here already.


Also are we doing actual vote now instead of pvote?

it's more comfortable for me to have ISOs in the game topic instead of another one

and yes we can use that format now, lyncher has been chosen already and votes are more visible when bolded

Sephibro wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

We get the best of both worlds by mixing the two together. Having the town agree on a small lynch pool and having the lyncher choose from that pool gives us information from both ends of the spectrum.

No
If Jinxy is scum and we give him the freedom to choose who's being lynched in a pool that contains 2 scum and 2 town, who do you think he will choose? Will we get any information about Jinxy's alignment with that?

That's why we don't just vote some random person in like we ended up doing this time.

But whatever, this conversation doesn't mean jack shit anymore, so I'm not going to talk about it anymore.

Scum: fartownik, rEdo, Nyquill

Have fun.

pvote: Nyquill

to me personally, he has priority over farto atm. his overall play just doesn't seem to be right. he was the only one who didn't get what caligno was meaning, so i think he wanted to off put us.

also damn, I would've pulled my vote away in case of L-1. let's make the best out of this :/

In case you guys haven't noticed, my confusion came from almost purely the misunderstanding of the post before the entire scenario, but w.e, enjoy lynching calignobot's scumtown (save for fartownik) pool.

I also like how we're giving null-scum lurkers a free pass on day 1. You guys sure are brilliant.

Alright then, who are the "null-scum lurkers" (which you have never pointed out until now) that you would like to call to our attention?

fwiw, null-scum: Kevincela, Tanz, CTs-Th

Throw irreversible in there too.

Agreed on the CTs point. He hammered me in as leader so we could "vote seriously", and still has yet to say who he feels is scummy.

CTs, who do you feel is scum, and reasons please.


Lynch Vote Count
fartownik (1) - Nyquill
Nyquill (4) - rEdo, Jinxy, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue
CalignoBot (1) - Sephibro

Jinxy: I guess you skipped my post here? My vote is missing there x.x

derp, it really is harder to see underlines


Lynch Vote Count
fartownik (2) - Nyquill, -kevincela-
Nyquill (4) - rEdo, Jinxy, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue
CalignoBot (1) - Sephibro

Jinxy wrote:

CTs, who do you feel is scum, and reasons please.

My head is really blank right now. (Really, I can't even follow the main topic.)

Gotta read ISO before analyse.

And, I want pieguy to speak something. (wait until his V/LA is over) Maybe he is a scum.

It's a little long, hope it doesn't bother you guys.

Actually, I can't get some of the topic that you're talking about. (I'll need more experience. ._.)
That's why I kept quiet until now.

CalignoBot wrote:

Scum: fartownik, rEdo, Nyquill

I haven't posted anything this game yet due to V/LA. Is my inactivity your only resource for reading me as scum?

Nyquill wrote:

fwiw, null-scum: Kevincela, Tanz, CTs-Th

calling a guy with just one post less than you lurker scum is a bit of a stretch i think, especially considering that most of your posts were redundant reasking the same questions.

also all your actions basically mirrored mine, you voted jinxy when i did, and you pressured farto when i pressured him (though my pressure was retarded, i admit that).

so, why would you follow the actions of one of your null-scum reads? why would you vote jinxy as the leader when 3 of your apparent scumreads (me, farto, kevincela) already voted for him? what is the sense behind that?

I find it really interesting that out of all people you would call me out on lurking, because you didn't do jack all this entire game up until now.

someone is butthurt

scumread =/= disagreement with actions btw, you're assuming that a read has to come purely from what you do.

someone is butthurt

scumread =/= disagreement with actions btw, you're assuming that a read has to come purely from what you do.

The ctrl-post is broken

hell, I didn't even come up with a complete scumread, I just put all the nulls leaning scum on there, perhaps if you would have read (this is the third time now by the way), you would have noticed. But alas, scum never reads.

Nyquill wrote:

hell, I didn't even come up with a complete scumread, I just put all the nulls leaning scum on there, perhaps if you would have read (this is the third time now by the way), you would have noticed. But alas, scum never reads.

oh i have reads. also even if you agree with something that one of your scumleaning guys does, this still doesn't explain why you would agree with the townread of 3 of your damn scumreads

btw., reads from me are as follows:

you are scum.
RB, Jinxy and CB are town.
farto slightly scum.
kevincela also slightly scum.
sephibro and CTs are null.

pieguy and redo i don't dare to categorize at this poit, as both are VLA at the moment.

keep deflecting, I'm sure you will find that it is useless soon.

I also uttered a townread on jinxy previously and said that between farto and sephibro there is one scum. i also said that CTs seems kinda null to me, and I voted for you thus making it quite clear that i read you as scum. but alas, scum doesn't read.

How am I agreeing with a townread on anything, I'm curious?

Still not reading by the way, very funny.

also its interesting to note that 4-6 people have something against me now, and pretty much everyone else I included with my null-scum pool or I've said something against. I must be scum buddies with the one or two people I haven't said anything against yet, right?

What a joke.

You also completely missed the point of me voting jinxy.
Also,

Nyquill wrote:

scumread =/= disagreement with actions btw, you're assuming that a read has to come purely from what you do.

Can I also mark this down as the 4th time on day 1 you didn't read? This is actually hilarious beyond words.

Nyquill wrote:

You also completely missed the point of me voting jinxy.
Also,

Nyquill wrote:

scumread =/= disagreement with actions btw, you're assuming that a read has to come purely from what you do.

Can I also mark this down as the 4th time on day 1 you didn't read? This is actually hilarious beyond words.

I don't know what I haven't read. I missread that thing with farto, yes, and the voting rules were kinda vague too (I am not familiar with king maker). the only hing that comes to my mind i legitimately didn't read was that one thing from sephibro, though even if i had read it it wouldn't have changed my course of actions.

also, what was your intention behind voting jinxy?

and yea, what you do is kinda important when you make a read on someone. and reenforcing what your scumreads do is kinda, well, dumb when you later accuse them of being scum.

also, out of game: can we please cut down on the amount of insults here? this is a game ffs. there is no reason to get all aggro on everyone.

what happens in mafia stays in mafia, wink wink

Okay let me just start from the top here on what I have been meaning to say.

I gave a list of my null-scums, more null-scums than lurkers because lurkers mostly end up in null-scum anyways. I put you in there because you're null besides your mis-reads, putting you leaning scum.

I merely wanted to move the game forward, because while I still believe one of farto and CB are likely to be scum, farto isn't incorrect when it comes to wanting to move forward the game in my eyes. Lets say I did not vote jinxy, which would default me to indecisiveness, or I could have wanted to go with calignobot's idea. If I picked the latter, I would still fall under what you called "saying someone is town while you have scumreads on them" which is completely untrue. I chose the former because at the time it made more sense to me, and I don't want to default to indecisiveness because that doesn't help anyone, myself the least. By agreeing with someone's actions, it doesn't necessarily change what I think of them. Scum can very well make a good suggestion, earning him town points, but wouldn't be enough to tip my read far enough into the other direction.

Speaking of, my reads on CB and Farto are collective. I don't really have a specific individual read on them yet, which is why I kind of want one of them to flip, or wait for N1 to go by.

Nyquill wrote:

what happens in mafia stays in mafia, wink wink

Okay let me just start from the top here on what I have been meaning to say.

I gave a list of my null-scums, more null-scums than lurkers because lurkers mostly end up in null-scum anyways. I put you in there because you're null besides your mis-reads, putting you leaning scum.

I merely wanted to move the game forward, because while I still believe one of farto and CB are likely to be scum, farto isn't incorrect when it comes to wanting to move forward the game in my eyes. Lets say I did not vote jinxy, which would default me to indecisiveness, or I could have wanted to go with calignobot's idea. If I picked the latter, I would still fall under what you called "saying someone is town while you have scumreads on them" which is completely untrue. I chose the former because at the time it made more sense to me, and I don't want to default to indecisiveness because that doesn't help anyone, myself the least. By agreeing with someone's actions, it doesn't necessarily change what I think of them. Scum can very well make a good suggestion, earning him town points, but wouldn't be enough to tip my read far enough into the other direction.

Speaking of, my reads on CB and Farto are collective. I don't really have a specific individual read on them yet, which is why I kind of want one of them to flip, or wait for N1 to go by.

but there are people (like me and seemingly farto) who get very easily aggrevated by such things, not in a "yep he is scum"-kind of way, but more in a "i wished i hadn't signed up for this"-kind of way. we should just watch that we cut down on the smug and the insults.

your point is fair enough, but i still find it fishy that you agree with the actions of your 3 top scumreads. I mean, even if scum can suggest something for towncred, doing the same thing as essentially 3 guys who you lean towards scum with isn't helping your own case of being town.

also, i didn't say that you said that people are town while you have scumreads on them. I just said that you follow the actions of people that you have scumreads on.

in any case, I'm off to bed. I have an terrible headache right now.

Well Tanz pretty much said the reason why I voted you. You being confused just did not look genuine. You seem to over reacted to what Calingo said and flipped some switch on and said fuck a lot. Perhaps trying to add confusion.

Also reading up on Nyquill ISO and why rEdo voted for him is rather odd. Apparently in th same post as rEdo going V/LA, he voted for Nyquill because he was trying to get someone lynched, but all Nyquill really did was just say vote fartownik.

Nyquill wrote:

Speaking of, my reads on CB and Farto are collective. I don't really have a specific individual read on them yet, which is why I kind of want one of them to flip, or wait for N1 to go by.

What? What's the rush?

note how I said 'wait' for N1 to go by

Note how it can be read differently.

I don't get it

So as I can see that farto got quiet all of a sudden. Why is that so? I mean, at the begin you've been pretty agressive, and then nothing. Only because you got annoyed of the gameplay, what should I say?
Something to reDo: Because of your even inactivity I'd say you're null so far.

Will post my reads tomorrow after i slept.

rEdo: Inactivity has very little to do with it.

Somebody puts a break to this game?

CalignoBot wrote:

That's why we don't just vote some random person in like we ended up doing this time.

But whatever, this conversation doesn't mean jack shit anymore, so I'm not going to talk about it anymore.

so who would have been a not-random-person? what elements do we have d1 to find a better candidate than Jinxy? we wasn't going to lynch him today + he's keeping the pvote count = that's all the lyncher needs to do besides executing the one we tell him to

don't talk too much guys

prod everybody pls

I voted who I think is scum. Also I have work for next 8 hours so

prod dodge

so now we have two people going afk parking their vote on me, and everyone else remains quiet.

Also, I have no idea how to convince you that my reactions are authentic, so theres nothing I can do about that there, give me something concrete to work with here.

+ RB Won't clarify so thats also something I can't do anything about, doesn't anybody else notice something wrong about this?

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

reDo, did you even post anything yet?

Nyquill wrote:

+ RB Won't clarify so thats also something I can't do anything about, doesn't anybody else notice something wrong about this?

Wait for n1 to go by implies you just want d1 to end. And i was probably the first to suspect you in the very beginning.

Irreversible wrote:

reDo, did you even post anything yet?

Hes v/la , but why dont you post something? Like the reads you said you will post after you slept. And if you think fart is scum, why not vote him? Unless youaare scared?

Nyquill wrote:

Speaking of, my reads on CB and Farto are collective. I don't really have a specific individual read on them yet, which is why I kind of want one of them to flip, or wait for N1 to go by.

I meant I want one or the other to happen before making a decision on anything about those two, I think you're just putting words in my mouth now.

I don't understand why everone is so DEAD SET on lynching without anything concrete I can do about, does seriously no one see problems with this.

I will post some stuff when I'm done reading past 10 pages or sth, completely lost interest in any Mafias in past 2 days.

Nyquill wrote:

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

That's new. Why did you suddenly suggest rEdo, when he wasn't in your primary lurker list, and:

CalignoBot wrote:

Scum: fartownik, rEdo, Nyquill

Have fun.

Nyquill wrote:

In case you guys haven't noticed, my confusion came from almost purely the misunderstanding of the post before the entire scenario, but w.e, enjoy lynching calignobot's scumtown (save for fartownik) pool.

Also, if I checked correctly rEdo returns the same time as D1 deadline. Should we get an extension?

And pieguy are you back yet

Jinxy wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

That's new. Why did you suddenly suggest rEdo, when he wasn't in your primary lurker list, and:

CalignoBot wrote:

Scum: fartownik, rEdo, Nyquill

Have fun.

Nyquill wrote:

In case you guys haven't noticed, my confusion came from almost purely the misunderstanding of the post before the entire scenario, but w.e, enjoy lynching calignobot's scumtown (save for fartownik) pool.

It is new, I reconsidered after RB's point, and he was pretty close to falling into my null-scum list anyways.

Imo, these three are lynches we can do with because everyone else I want information from after either N1 or something else major happens.

unimportant note: its kind of ironic I get called out for creating confusion when I am trying to get things clarified, brilliant.

Nyquill wrote:

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

Just one thing: why didn't you include Irreversible here while you included him before in the null-scum list? Is there anything that made you change idea about him? It seems a bit suspicious, as you threw him into that list before (and still, Irre hasn't done really much now).

catchup either tonight or tomorrow, 4 AM ><

Ah, finally you come.

Not much activity lately. ._.

Nyquill wrote:

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

And why I'm in your lynch pool?

I hate catching up on here compared to MS. /misses [post] tags

I hate farto and Nyquill's unexplained scumreads on CTs. his comment about "omg math" feels really laid back and free. considering he's new I don't think he could be emulatingthat kind of posting as scum. it feels like they're trying to lynch low hanging fruit

Caligno is leaning town as of page 8. I like how aggressive he's being early game and I can't remember him playing like this as scum whenever I've played with him-scum 0.0

CTs-Th wrote:

NO!

Well, I just post only 1 post after the game start, how did that possible for me to look scum/town?
And, why did you want a newbie like me to be a leader? Anything behind the curtain?

nice, I'm glad my townread on you is correct
this paranoia feels really town. it has a logical base and feels well founded. never lynch CTs

Raging Bull wrote:

pieguy, why vote Nyquill and FoS him? Wouldn't that mean you are going to vote the leader you think is scum?

RVS

Irreversible wrote:

suspsicipon

you can be town

as of 11, I hate this wagon on Jinxy. I don't think anyone ever gave the reason behind their townreads on him but it feels off especially considering he's not at all a bad scumplayer iirc, and i don't see anything he did that looks really town 0.0

not liking farto's explanation behind his switch onto Jinxy. it seems really weird considering jinxy only had 1 more vote (?) and there was enough time to push a wagon on Tanz. farto + Jinxy team is looking kind of likely atm

fartownik wrote:

No shit sherlock. You had one vote WHICH WAS MINE. JInxy had one vote WHICH WAS YOURS. If I add a vote on JInxy it GIVES TWO. I couldn't add more votes on you so I voted JINXY.

Is this really so hard to understand?

Also uh oh caligno sweetheart I'm sorry. I will answer your pointy point right away.

this is bad

first off, this anger/sarcasm feels really faked. second, why are you getting so pissed off at one of your townreads? it doesn't make sense to me. IMO you would be more willing to work with a townread, and thus less angry if a misunderstanding happens. it feels like you were trying to buddy Tanz and now are pissed off bc it didn't work

fartownik wrote:

2. I have no idea why you find this a scumtell, also I already admitted I've proposed it today for the reactions.

fuck no. it's too easy for scum to get away with shit by saying "lolol it was a reaction test". in a game on MS that just finished, scum tried to quick hammer, FAILED, and wrote it off as a reaction test and no one caught it. town was apathetic as fuck that game so they were prob just too lazy to fix it, but same idea

Irreversible wrote:

Jinxy didn't even say much so far, how did that wagon happen after all? I don't really understand.

this x 9000

Nyquill wrote:

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

meh

really, just meh. you p much put 3 lurkers. do you really not wanna lynch anyone who's active?

town: CTs, Irre, Caligno, tanz
mb RB, mb Sephi

scum: farto, Jinxy, one of {rEdo, kevin}

farto v Caligno and Caligno v nyquill is all tl;dr there's no way I'm looking into that shit
overall Tanz is being p logical and I don't see any scum motivation at all in anything he's said so far. same with RB and sephi. Jinxy is scum p much entirely bc of farto. if farto flips town jinxy becomes null. nyquill is really weird but his frustration seems genuine and feels different from his reaction to my push on him in lucid dreamers. he said some of the same kind of stuff but there was way less emotion and feeling into it and it didn't feel genuine, whereas this seems way better on a gut level. rEdo and kevin haven't done much of anything so my best bet for 3rd scum is one of them

tldr

I blame this site's lack of [post] tags T_T

sorry for not posting yesterday, not too much interesting happened anyway.

I have a really weird feeling (in my gut ) about farto. it just seems really odd to me that he would tantrum like that, basically throwing the game away. I don't know if that makes him more town or scum, but it certainly doesn't make him helpful.

pieguy1372 wrote:

as of 11, I hate this wagon on Jinxy. I don't think anyone ever gave the reason behind their townreads on him but it feels off especially considering he's not at all a bad scumplayer iirc, and i don't see anything he did that looks really town 0.0

Again: p/2770320

Sadly, you can't prod anybody now.
Oh, wait... you can.

Speaking of a townread on me.
pieguy, you also quoted my "omg math" and said I can be town. Can't you just mention me instead?

pieguy1372"
[quote="CTs-Th wrote:

NO!

Well, I just post only 1 post after the game start, how did that possible for me to look scum/town?
And, why did you want a newbie like me to be a leader? Anything behind the curtain?

nice, I'm glad my townread on you is correct
[/quote]

So that's mean I accidently confirmed town?

Oops, quote failed.

By the way,

pieguy1372 wrote:

fartownik wrote:

2. I have no idea why you find this a scumtell, also I already admitted I've proposed it today for the reactions.

fuck no. it's too easy for scum to get away with shit by saying "lolol it was a reaction test". in a game on MS that just finished, scum tried to quick hammer, FAILED, and wrote it off as a reaction test and no one caught it. town was apathetic as fuck that game so they were prob just too lazy to fix it, but same idea

farto usually perform a reaction test. Seems like a cheap excuse.
(IMO, he did so many times that I wanna lynch him some day.)

pieguy1372 wrote:

really, just meh. you p much put 3 lurkers. do you really not wanna lynch anyone who's active?

Yes. Lurker lynch is much better D1 as lynches based on strong reads can be made better after flips.

Kevin you say I don't do much, what did you do yet?

alright, so farto was super agressive at the begin, now he lost Motivation - just because you don't get what you want? If you were town, you would still fight that we win. But this is just an "excuse".

pvote: fartownik


Can I get an Explanation on the wagon? I'd like to see reasons why you voted him

Tanzklaue, can I also know why you joined the wagon and afterwards you say

Tanzklaue wrote:

yea, I am also getting suspicious of how fast the wagon grew.

Irreversible wrote:

Kevin you say I don't do much, what did you do yet?

alright, so farto was super agressive at the begin, now he lost Motivation - just because you don't get what you want? If you were town, you would still fight that we win. But this is just an "excuse".

pvote: fartownik


Can I get an Explanation on the wagon? I'd like to see reasons why you voted him

Tanzklaue, can I also know why you joined the wagon and afterwards you say

Tanzklaue wrote:

yea, I am also getting suspicious of how fast the wagon grew.

I didn't join the wagon.

I started it.

I'm just here to say that pieguy is scum, in case you lynch me before I get myself to read the belated pages.

CTs-Th wrote:

pieguy, you also quoted my "omg math" and said I can be town. Can't you just mention me instead?

I could but in this case I feel it'd be better if people know the reason for the townread

you're not "confirmed town" but I'll be really surprised if you're scum atm

Sephibro wrote:

pieguy1372 wrote:

as of 11, I hate this wagon on Jinxy. I don't think anyone ever gave the reason behind their townreads on him but it feels off especially considering he's not at all a bad scumplayer iirc, and i don't see anything he did that looks really town 0.0

Again: p/2770320

I'm inclined to agree with caligno. there's more to it than that. we don't even know Jinxy's reads and he hasn't done anything extremely town looking. and the way it formed was way too hasty 0.0

Nyquill wrote:

pieguy1372 wrote:

really, just meh. you p much put 3 lurkers. do you really not wanna lynch anyone who's active?

Yes. Lurker lynch is much better D1 as lynches based on strong reads can be made better after flips.

Lurker lynch D1 is awful. They give very little information to go on (RE: association) and are a complete crapshoot as to their alignment rather than a partial crapshoot.

Lynch Vote Count
Nyquill (4) - rEdo, Jinxy, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue
fartownik (4) - Nyquill, -kevincela-, pieguy1372. Irreversible
CalignoBot (1) - Sephibro[/quote]

2 days left.

I'll read and post the rest in a while

fartownik wrote:

I'm just here to say that pieguy is scum, in case you lynch me before I get myself to read the belated pages.

So you haven't even fully read the pages, and are calling pieguy scum for having a scumread on you?

Iffy on Nyquill's lurker lynch suggestions. Cali has already said why, and another point:

Nyquill wrote:

pieguy1372 wrote:

really, just meh. you p much put 3 lurkers. do you really not wanna lynch anyone who's active?

Yes. Lurker lynch is much better D1 as lynches based on strong reads can be made better after flips.

The lynch is also a flip, and lynching a lurker wouldn't help reads much either.

I always thought lurker lynch would be more beneficial in D1 since there is usually no strong read rather than reactions.

The point of Day 1 is to make scumhunting in Day 2 and beyond easier (or harder as scum). The alignment of the person doesn't mean shit if the rest of the game is significantly more difficult because of it. This is why lynching for information is infinitely more useful than just lynching whoever willy nilly because they didn't post for half of the day. All that does is make an easy lynch that makes a bunch of null associations and makes Day 2 essentially the same as Day 1.

And yes, I CAN prove this idea if asked to.

No I think it sounds about right. Lynching a lurker who didn't do much will reveal nothing because their words will not have very much meaning. Or at least that's how I'm interpreting it. While I cannot explain it, I understand it. no need to explain.

imo I don't really see much reason for voting farto. Seems like he was doing a lot to even stick out and get us out of RVS.

kevin and Irre votes seem rather like a weak reason to even vote farto.
Nyquill voted for farto without a reason (unless I missed it)


I'm still wondering what rEdo read as "forcing a lynch" meant. FoS rEdo. I realize he may be V/LA, but I find it rather odd to vote someone with a reason that I really don't think existed and then disappear.

@kevin: why did you jump on the Jinxy wagon?
@nyquill: same question. especially when you're scumreading farto and he was one of the people pushing said wagon, and now you're lynch-voting him

Raging Bull wrote:

kevin and Irre votes seem rather like a weak reason to even vote farto.

huh that's a good point. it feels like kevin is just going with the flow 0.0

What's weak about my reason? If i play emo I get judged by this too.

Mafia is all about judging people. That's how people get caught.

to everyone who is wondering, i explained most of my actions at one point oranother because everyone consistently nitpicked at them. go read up again, im not in a position to requote all of them so youre going to have to do that on your own.

Irreversible wrote:

Kevin you say I don't do much, what did you do yet?

My post didn't want to be a claim at all, if you read my post again and Nyquill's ones you can see that he has included you in the lurkers list here, though he hasn't included you in the "final list". Doesen't this seem at least a bit strange, considered that nothing much at all changed?

About the wagon on Jinxy I really don't get what's wrong with it. I mean, does the choice of the lyncher really matter while the lynchee is being chosen based on our votes? To be honest I thought that Jinxy could be a valid leader and I still think so, considering that he's trying to gather everybody's opinions to choose the lynchee. If some of you guys think he could be a scum, then why don't you suspect him instead on the 2nd day? I don't think it would be a big issue anyway.

-kevincela- wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

Kevin you say I don't do much, what did you do yet?

My post didn't want to be a claim at all, if you read my post again and Nyquill's ones you can see that he has included you in the lurkers list here, though he hasn't included you in the "final list". Doesen't this seem at least a bit strange, considered that nothing much at all changed?

About the wagon on Jinxy I really don't get what's wrong with it. I mean, does the choice of the lyncher really matter while the lynchee is being chosen based on our votes? To be honest I thought that Jinxy could be a valid leader and I still think so, considering that he's trying to gather everybody's opinions to choose the lynchee. If some of you guys think he could be a scum, then why don't you suspect him instead on the 2nd day? I don't think it would be a big issue anyway.

The reason the wagon was shit was because it was hammered while there was an ongoing debate on whether it was a good idea or not.

I've read the topic once again, and I've seen that the only one who was supporting the debate was probably just you, or am I wrong? There were also other people who opposed to Jinxy's wagon such as Irre and RB, but they didn't do much other than just making a post asking why we were voting for him. Also if the majority of the people here wanted to vote Jinxy for leader I guess it's because they thought it was a good idea, isn't it?

The amount of people on either side is completely irrelevant when I poked holes in the issues I saw in their side of the issue, while basically no one did the same to mine. Plus, mafia are most likely sheeping the idea regardless of which alignment first brought it up (although it's even more disingenuous that it went through so easily if mafia started it).

That's completely ridiculous and gives everyone an excuse to just brush this away rather than deal with it since it won't affect anything anymore. This is what scum absolutely love, by the way.

And no, I still say it was a shit concept, but there's no real point trying to argue it anymore. I gave my scumreads somewhere a few pages ago and I'm not really willing to go along with this whole "vote for the leader to lynch someone" because I do still think it's not what we should be doing today.

CalignoBot wrote:

And no, I still say it was a shit concept, but there's no real point trying to argue it anymore. I gave my scumreads somewhere a few pages ago and I'm not really willing to go along with this whole "vote for the leader to lynch someone" because I do still think it's not what we should be doing today.

"This is what scum absolutely love, by the way."

Sephibro wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

And no, I still say it was a shit concept, but there's no real point trying to argue it anymore. I gave my scumreads somewhere a few pages ago and I'm not really willing to go along with this whole "vote for the leader to lynch someone" because I do still think it's not what we should be doing today.

"This is what scum absolutely love, by the way."

"I gave my scumreads"

I don't know what you two are going on about.

-kevincela- wrote:

I've read the topic once again, and I've seen that the only one who was supporting the debate was probably just you, or am I wrong? There were also other people who opposed to Jinxy's wagon such as Irre and RB, but they didn't do much other than just making a post asking why we were voting for him. Also if the majority of the people here wanted to vote Jinxy for leader I guess it's because they thought it was a good idea, isn't it?

It's not because people voting jinxy is a good idea for me, but because people just voted jinxy out of nowhere. I'm sure there is scum hopping along in the first place.

Lynch Vote Count
Nyquill (4) - rEdo, Jinxy, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue
fartownik (4) - Nyquill, -kevincela-, pieguy1372. Irreversible
CalignoBot (1) - Sephibro

I misread, we still have 3 days left actually, hopefully enough time for rEdo to speak.

Mod: Can we get your ISO on the main post too?


Hey fartownik:

Jinxy wrote:

fartownik wrote:

I'm just here to say that pieguy is scum, in case you lynch me before I get myself to read the belated pages.

So you haven't even fully read the pages, and are calling pieguy scum for having a scumread on you?

Content incoming in 7-8 hours when I sober up a bit. Sorry for dragging you guys down.

Tick tock.

rEdo wrote:

Content incoming in 7-8 hours

I'm still waiting for that