Tanzklaue wrote:

wrong, you were the second vote on jinxy after mine.

the wagon had like an hour to grow until you put your vote on jinxy.

so both your points that I care for here are blatant lies. it's funny, hadn't you added the second part, your answer would've been a lot more legit.

No shit sherlock. You had one vote WHICH WAS MINE. JInxy had one vote WHICH WAS YOURS. If I add a vote on JInxy it GIVES TWO. I couldn't add more votes on you so I voted JINXY.

Is this really so hard to understand?

Also uh oh caligno sweetheart I'm sorry. I will answer your pointy point right away.

fartownik wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

wrong, you were the second vote on jinxy after mine.

the wagon had like an hour to grow until you put your vote on jinxy.

so both your points that I care for here are blatant lies. it's funny, hadn't you added the second part, your answer would've been a lot more legit.

No shit sherlock. You had one vote WHICH WAS MINE. JInxy had one vote WHICH WAS YOURS. If I add a vote on JInxy it GIVES TWO. I couldn't add more votes on you so I voted JINXY.

Is this really so hard to understand?

Also uh oh caligno sweetheart I'm sorry. I will answer your pointy point right away.

I missread what you wrote, thinking that with "your 'wagon'" you meant the wagon on jinxy (since i was the first one to vote for jinxy, hence I'm the starter).

CalignoBot wrote:

Disingenuous response to my points, suggesting the massclaim (you should know EXACTLY why I find this a scumtell), trying to attack me finding CTs town for very little when there's pretty much no chance of his scumread being anything else.

1. Where was I disingenuous.
2. I have no idea why you find this a scumtell, also I already admitted I've proposed it today for the reactions.
3. CTs had no chance to be read as Town by anyone by random voting.

CalignoBot wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

Also, I still don't understand how that example was relevant but I really don't want to confuse myself more with something unimportant.

Because both you and fartownik literally asked why I wouldn't just vote anyone I find protown, but whatever. Go ahead and keep deflecting.

Your point was shitty and I asked you an obvious question that comes to mind after reading it.

Jinxy didn't even say much so far, how did that wagon happen after all? I don't really understand.

/pissedoffownik

@mod: semi V/LA until 2nd of January. I'll be around and stuff, just don't expect me to be active. No prods please.

Also, gonna throw this in.
Vote: Jinxy

You guys have already mentioned it - there's no real difference who is the lyncher, unless that guy is going to be a dick and randomly lynch somebody we don't pick. Even if he's not scum, killing somebody we don't choose together will be basically considered a scumclaim.

Anyway, pvote: Nyquill. This might be my imagination, but this guy looks like he's trying to force a lynch on somebody who's been discredited a lot with no coverage from himself.

the fuck am I doing to force anything? lmao

fartownik you didn't even address the point I was referring to. I was referring to the lyncher-lynchee information point that you literally just deflected in order to try to force shit without actually arguing for your side.

fartownik wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Disingenuous response to my points, suggesting the massclaim (you should know EXACTLY why I find this a scumtell), trying to attack me finding CTs town for very little when there's pretty much no chance of his scumread being anything else.

1. Where was I disingenuous.
2. I have no idea why you find this a scumtell, also I already admitted I've proposed it today for the reactions.
3. CTs had no chance to be read as Town by anyone by random voting.

CalignoBot wrote:

Because both you and fartownik literally asked why I wouldn't just vote anyone I find protown, but whatever. Go ahead and keep deflecting.

Your point was shitty and I asked you an obvious question that comes to mind after reading it.

1. Assuming that saying I wouldn't vote for someone protown for a specific reason means that I would vote for someone scummy instead.
2. Remember when you brought up a plan on the MS stacking the deck game on suggesting a massclaim? What I see here is really close to how I expected that would be executed.
3. Just ignoring everything I said about this again as well as not explaining how your side is any different.

4. That question was a stretch and the fact that you're sticking to it after I've went through my entire thought process is very telling.

Itd be awesome if you guys dont post a lot when i sleep. orz

Raging Bull wrote:

Itd be awesome if you guys dont post a lot when i sleep. orz

maybe you'll need to sleep less

[quote="CalignoBot"
1. Assuming that saying I wouldn't vote for someone protown for a specific reason means that I would vote for someone scummy instead.
2. Remember when you brought up a plan on the MS stacking the deck game on suggesting a massclaim? What I see here is really close to how I expected that would be executed.
3. Just ignoring everything I said about this again as well as not explaining how your side is any different.

4. That question was a stretch and the fact that you're sticking to it after I've went through my entire thought process is very telling.[/quote]
1. I only pointed out a flaw in your logic.
2. So how should a town-oriented massclaim be executed?
3. I already said that my side is THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU READING HIM FROM ONE RANDOM VOTE POST.
4. Sticking to what?

Master of Quoting

fartownik wrote:

It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.

Sephibro wrote:

fartownik wrote:

It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.

finally something that makes sense

vote: Jinxy

Why do both of you sound so eager for Jinxy to be leader?


And whats up with the wagon? I realize he will choose to lynch who we pick, but it's rather odd how it grew within a short amount of time.

This game annoys me more and more with every post I read...

Perhaps I should take a brief break from mafia after it.

I'm not going to address anything else you say until you address my lyncher-lynchee point, fartownik.

AKA stop trying to sweep it under the rug by ignoring it.

Please repeat your point. I must've lost it somewhere.

CalignoBot wrote:

Actually, I will only ever support finishing a wagon on someone who has made their reads clear. This strategy of just putting someone random in power without fully discussing these is incredibly worse information-wise.

CalignoBot wrote:

What I'm suggesting is in between the two.

The kingmaker setup where we give the king the ability to go full retard and do whatever the hell he wants is retarded.
Similarly, choosing a random person and giving that person only one choice is similarly retarded.

The problems with the first are that the town can't control anything about what the kingmaker does, so we basically only get information based on what the king picks.
The problems with the second are exactly the opposite. The king gets no choice in anything, so what he ends up choosing is literally just a standard vote-based system.

We get the best of both worlds by mixing the two together. Having the town agree on a small lynch pool and having the lyncher choose from that pool gives us information from both ends of the spectrum.

Right here.

fartownik wrote:

We do it democratic way, end of story. If the Lyncher disobeys, he will be punished the next day.

Also, keep in mind that the person chosen for the position will be lynch-immune today.

This type of response won't work again. Explain WHY your way is better than mine.

Oh, sorry.

I think letting the Lyncher to have any choice at all is a bad idea. We won't get any info out of who he picks anyways, unless you choose someone severely scumreaded by most, but that'd just be silly. There's NO NEED to give powers to the Lyncher, voting is informational enough.

Also you want to give him a 'small pool of people to lynch', which is directly eliminating some of players from the potential lynch pool, which should not ever happen as well.

fartownik wrote:

I think letting the Lyncher to have any choice at all is a bad idea. We won't get any info out of who he picks anyways, unless you choose someone severely scumreaded by most, but that'd just be silly. There's NO NEED to give powers to the Lyncher, voting is informational enough.

1. If we give a lynch pool of three people (as an example), then being able to cross-reference WHY he chose one over the other two could be very useful information once we've had scumflips. This would essentially be done the same way as we're doing now, just with more people on the chopping block.
2. Giving voting rights to town (which would be >75% [I'd very roughly estimate around 80%] since we're voting someone who most people believe is town anyway) would give everyone in the pool a reason to still talk. If mafia are in that pool, they will want to find ways to not get lynched, which adds more information. If they were the only one on the chopping block, why would they ever talk again?
3. Giving voting rights to scum (very rough estimate of 20% because of above) would allow possible association tells to come up later, and they would have to be pretty damn transparent about their choice and motivations.
4. Forcing people to disclose more of their reads is better than giving people the option to hide reads and disclose only one scumread. There's also the fact that the lyncher doesn't actually have to do fuck all reads wise if we do it your way.

fartownik wrote:

Also you want to give him a 'small pool of people to lynch', which is directly eliminating some of players from the potential lynch pool, which should not ever happen as well.

#1 covers this.

Pvote: Nyquill

I'm going back to Caligno's example, but the main point here was that fart and him provided a false choice for Caligno: Caligno wouldn't want to vote a townread that has his own bad reads, and they interpreted it to be that Caligno would rather vote for the scummiest person instead, completely ignoring the idea of a second townread, or just voting for a less scummy person. The intent here feels like an attempt to discredit Caligno.

As for why Nyquill is first instead of fart, he has posted much less than fart overall with less actual content too. And this vote with no explanation:

Nyquill wrote:

also pvote: fartownik

What's your reasoning for voting fart here?


...wait, pieguy is in the game? Last post was still about the massclaim. Prod: pieguy


I would provide a lynch vote count now but the forums are acting up.

Hello...

You guys are very active when I was sleeping.

.... did you really just limit scumpool to two people there, well thats fucking great.

I'm not trying to discredit shit. I'm trying to clear confusion that can otherwise be problematic which instead ended up being fucked.

As for why I voted for farto, I have a strong feeling there is scum between calignobot and fartownik, and at the moment calignobot is slightly more pro-town by motivations, but is having a horrible time trying to make himself understandable.

ow
don't prod me plz >< busy with RL shit
mod: VLA until Sunday

Nyquill wrote:

.... did you really just limit scumpool to two people there, well thats fucking great.

I'm not trying to discredit shit. I'm trying to clear confusion that can otherwise be problematic which instead ended up being fucked.

As for why I voted for farto, I have a strong feeling there is scum between calignobot and fartownik, and at the moment calignobot is slightly more pro-town by motivations, but is having a horrible time trying to make himself understandable.

You have yet to explain what about it is hard to understand. I'm not going to keep flailing around about it if you're not going to tell me what you're not understanding.

CalignoBot wrote:

this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?

I find this response incredibly interesting, as it completely assumes that I'll only ever have one town read in the entire game.

One person is confirmed town. By your logic, he should instantly be given the rights to make the vote in this situation. However, let's say he also has my three biggest townreads outside of him as his scumpool. Do you really think I would want him to have the sole lynch power?

Believe it or not, your play can be incredibly town while still having abysmal reads.[/quote]
Okay,
1. I don't see how I'm assuming you have only one town read the entire game. It is perfectly possible that you have multiple town reads.
2. the context of which we were speaking in was completely early game, because you said "when reads are complete shit". How am I assuming something that will last the entire game? That entire first sentence didn't make sense.

That was needlessly confusing, and then I was treated to an example of haughty speculations of a situation we're not in yet. It took me a very long time to figure out what you really wanted to say was that you simply do not want to lynch by reads.

Seriously, it shouldn't have to take me a good half day to figure out what you were getting at.

I like breaking quotes too

CalignoBot wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen

Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.

Original quote above for readability and convenience purposes.

Nyquill wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

---Quoted shenanigans---
this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?
---Endquoted shenanigans---

I find this response incredibly interesting, as it completely assumes that I'll only ever have one town read in the entire game.

One person is confirmed town. By your logic, he should instantly be given the rights to make the vote in this situation. However, let's say he also has my three biggest townreads outside of him as his scumpool. Do you really think I would want him to have the sole lynch power?

Believe it or not, your play can be incredibly town while still having abysmal reads.

Okay,
1. I don't see how I'm assuming you have only one town read the entire game. It is perfectly possible that you have multiple town reads.
2. the context of which we were speaking in was completely early game, because you said "when reads are complete shit". How am I assuming something that will last the entire game? That entire first sentence didn't make sense.

That was needlessly confusing, and then I was treated to an example of haughty speculations of a situation we're not in yet. It took me a very long time to figure out what you really wanted to say was that you simply do not want to lynch by reads.

Seriously, it shouldn't have to take me a good half day to figure out what you were getting at.

NOW I understand where the problem is. You're assuming that when I said shit reads, I was talking about early game. I'm talking about people who have a set of reads with a basis to them, but they're basically garbage.

1. I never once stated in that original post that I would have one town read. Your response made the leap in logic that (not wanting to elect a protown for bad reads = voting for a scumread instead) which is basically assuming that exact thing.
2. I was speaking in the context of when we consider ending the day. I fully consider the "early game" way too early to be considering ending the day. At the very least, waiting until most (if not ALL) players have a significant set of reads in their head is what I would consider to be a good time to consider ending the day.

Nyquill wrote:

.... did you really just limit scumpool to two people there, well thats fucking great.

That was simply my own PVote, my actual lynch will obviously still be the majority's opinion unless people prefer Caligno's method.

Lynch Vote Count
fartownik (2) - Sephibro, Nyquill
Nyquill (2) - rEdo, Jinxy

All kevincela has done as of now is to wagon on leader votes, and weakly suspecting fart for calling irre scum. Kevin, who do you think is scum?

VOTE COUNT 1.5
Jinxy (6) - Tanzklaue, fartownik, Sephibro, -kevincela-, Nyquill, rEdo
CTs-Th (2) - CalignoBot, Raging Bull
Nyquill (1) - pieguy1372
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible

Not Voting (1) - Jinxy

rEdo is V/LA until Jan 2.
pieguy is V/LA until tomorrow.

I almost forgot...

Vote: Jinxy

So we can take a vote seriously from now on.

Jinxy is at L-1. I'd prefer waiting on a final decision until this entire strategy debate is concluded.

I give up.

Let me know when tomorrow comes.

Jinxy wrote:

All kevincela has done as of now is to wagon on leader votes, and weakly suspecting fart for calling irre scum. Kevin, who do you think is scum?

The most suspicious one in my eyes is probably farto as other than suspecting other people with weak motivations he proposed to massclaim at d1, which imo is a very suspicious action, and we can also include the episode that you mentioned here so for the moment pvote: fartownik.
I have also some doubts with CalignoBot but by seeing what he has done up to now I think he has acted more like a town member than fartownik.

Also sorry if I haven't still written much here, I was quite busy. Hopefully I should be better now

@Nyquill I don't understand the what confusion was in what Calingobot said. Seems like you were the only one confused. And you being confused seems fake.


And as for other people, what about Tanz question? Why did you guys vote Jinxy?

VOTE COUNT 1.6
Jinxy (7) - Tanzklaue, fartownik, Sephibro, -kevincela-, Nyquill, rEdo, CTs-Th
CTs-Th (2) - CalignoBot, Raging Bull
Nyquill (1) - pieguy1372
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible

Not Voting (1) - Jinxy

rEdo is V/LA until Jan 2.
pieguy is V/LA until tomorrow.

---

Jinxy has been selected as the Leader.
Please select who you will execute!

we can still talk, can't we?

NoHitter wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

@Mod: How is the deadline affected when the leader is elected?

There is no change. The deadline will remain the same, which is one week.

Probably. We still have 5 days then.

CalignoBot wrote:

We get the best of both worlds by mixing the two together. Having the town agree on a small lynch pool and having the lyncher choose from that pool gives us information from both ends of the spectrum.

No
If Jinxy is scum and we give him the freedom to choose who's being lynched in a pool that contains 2 scum and 2 town, who do you think he will choose? Will we get any information about Jinxy's alignment with that?

unvote, vote: CalignoBot
FoS: fartownik

we're doing standard votes now, Jinxy will keep the votecount for that


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I hope you didn't do that ISO manually because I already have one generated in the stickied ISO thread

i always look in that thread before doing it manually
i should really make a program for that

Sephibro wrote:

i always look in that thread before doing it manually
i should really make a program for that

last post perhaps, not the thread OP

what's the point of this post of yours?

Sephibro wrote:

what's the point of this post of yours?

That Jinxy did the ISO already and its found in the last post and not the OP?

i think i know since that's where i took it from

Off topic: Well it's more like why create one when it's here already.


Also are we doing actual vote now instead of pvote?

Raging Bull wrote:

Off topic: Well it's more like why create one when it's here already.


Also are we doing actual vote now instead of pvote?

it's more comfortable for me to have ISOs in the game topic instead of another one

and yes we can use that format now, lyncher has been chosen already and votes are more visible when bolded

Sephibro wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

We get the best of both worlds by mixing the two together. Having the town agree on a small lynch pool and having the lyncher choose from that pool gives us information from both ends of the spectrum.

No
If Jinxy is scum and we give him the freedom to choose who's being lynched in a pool that contains 2 scum and 2 town, who do you think he will choose? Will we get any information about Jinxy's alignment with that?

That's why we don't just vote some random person in like we ended up doing this time.

But whatever, this conversation doesn't mean jack shit anymore, so I'm not going to talk about it anymore.

Scum: fartownik, rEdo, Nyquill

Have fun.

pvote: Nyquill

to me personally, he has priority over farto atm. his overall play just doesn't seem to be right. he was the only one who didn't get what caligno was meaning, so i think he wanted to off put us.

also damn, I would've pulled my vote away in case of L-1. let's make the best out of this :/

In case you guys haven't noticed, my confusion came from almost purely the misunderstanding of the post before the entire scenario, but w.e, enjoy lynching calignobot's scumtown (save for fartownik) pool.

I also like how we're giving null-scum lurkers a free pass on day 1. You guys sure are brilliant.

Alright then, who are the "null-scum lurkers" (which you have never pointed out until now) that you would like to call to our attention?

fwiw, null-scum: Kevincela, Tanz, CTs-Th

Throw irreversible in there too.

Agreed on the CTs point. He hammered me in as leader so we could "vote seriously", and still has yet to say who he feels is scummy.

CTs, who do you feel is scum, and reasons please.


Lynch Vote Count
fartownik (1) - Nyquill
Nyquill (4) - rEdo, Jinxy, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue
CalignoBot (1) - Sephibro

Jinxy: I guess you skipped my post here? My vote is missing there x.x

derp, it really is harder to see underlines


Lynch Vote Count
fartownik (2) - Nyquill, -kevincela-
Nyquill (4) - rEdo, Jinxy, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue
CalignoBot (1) - Sephibro

Jinxy wrote:

CTs, who do you feel is scum, and reasons please.

My head is really blank right now. (Really, I can't even follow the main topic.)

Gotta read ISO before analyse.

And, I want pieguy to speak something. (wait until his V/LA is over) Maybe he is a scum.

It's a little long, hope it doesn't bother you guys.

Actually, I can't get some of the topic that you're talking about. (I'll need more experience. ._.)
That's why I kept quiet until now.

CalignoBot wrote:

Scum: fartownik, rEdo, Nyquill

I haven't posted anything this game yet due to V/LA. Is my inactivity your only resource for reading me as scum?

Nyquill wrote:

fwiw, null-scum: Kevincela, Tanz, CTs-Th

calling a guy with just one post less than you lurker scum is a bit of a stretch i think, especially considering that most of your posts were redundant reasking the same questions.

also all your actions basically mirrored mine, you voted jinxy when i did, and you pressured farto when i pressured him (though my pressure was retarded, i admit that).

so, why would you follow the actions of one of your null-scum reads? why would you vote jinxy as the leader when 3 of your apparent scumreads (me, farto, kevincela) already voted for him? what is the sense behind that?

I find it really interesting that out of all people you would call me out on lurking, because you didn't do jack all this entire game up until now.

someone is butthurt

scumread =/= disagreement with actions btw, you're assuming that a read has to come purely from what you do.

someone is butthurt

scumread =/= disagreement with actions btw, you're assuming that a read has to come purely from what you do.

The ctrl-post is broken

hell, I didn't even come up with a complete scumread, I just put all the nulls leaning scum on there, perhaps if you would have read (this is the third time now by the way), you would have noticed. But alas, scum never reads.

Nyquill wrote:

hell, I didn't even come up with a complete scumread, I just put all the nulls leaning scum on there, perhaps if you would have read (this is the third time now by the way), you would have noticed. But alas, scum never reads.

oh i have reads. also even if you agree with something that one of your scumleaning guys does, this still doesn't explain why you would agree with the townread of 3 of your damn scumreads

btw., reads from me are as follows:

you are scum.
RB, Jinxy and CB are town.
farto slightly scum.
kevincela also slightly scum.
sephibro and CTs are null.

pieguy and redo i don't dare to categorize at this poit, as both are VLA at the moment.

keep deflecting, I'm sure you will find that it is useless soon.

I also uttered a townread on jinxy previously and said that between farto and sephibro there is one scum. i also said that CTs seems kinda null to me, and I voted for you thus making it quite clear that i read you as scum. but alas, scum doesn't read.

How am I agreeing with a townread on anything, I'm curious?

Still not reading by the way, very funny.

also its interesting to note that 4-6 people have something against me now, and pretty much everyone else I included with my null-scum pool or I've said something against. I must be scum buddies with the one or two people I haven't said anything against yet, right?

What a joke.

You also completely missed the point of me voting jinxy.
Also,

Nyquill wrote:

scumread =/= disagreement with actions btw, you're assuming that a read has to come purely from what you do.

Can I also mark this down as the 4th time on day 1 you didn't read? This is actually hilarious beyond words.

Nyquill wrote:

You also completely missed the point of me voting jinxy.
Also,

Nyquill wrote:

scumread =/= disagreement with actions btw, you're assuming that a read has to come purely from what you do.

Can I also mark this down as the 4th time on day 1 you didn't read? This is actually hilarious beyond words.

I don't know what I haven't read. I missread that thing with farto, yes, and the voting rules were kinda vague too (I am not familiar with king maker). the only hing that comes to my mind i legitimately didn't read was that one thing from sephibro, though even if i had read it it wouldn't have changed my course of actions.

also, what was your intention behind voting jinxy?

and yea, what you do is kinda important when you make a read on someone. and reenforcing what your scumreads do is kinda, well, dumb when you later accuse them of being scum.

also, out of game: can we please cut down on the amount of insults here? this is a game ffs. there is no reason to get all aggro on everyone.

what happens in mafia stays in mafia, wink wink

Okay let me just start from the top here on what I have been meaning to say.

I gave a list of my null-scums, more null-scums than lurkers because lurkers mostly end up in null-scum anyways. I put you in there because you're null besides your mis-reads, putting you leaning scum.

I merely wanted to move the game forward, because while I still believe one of farto and CB are likely to be scum, farto isn't incorrect when it comes to wanting to move forward the game in my eyes. Lets say I did not vote jinxy, which would default me to indecisiveness, or I could have wanted to go with calignobot's idea. If I picked the latter, I would still fall under what you called "saying someone is town while you have scumreads on them" which is completely untrue. I chose the former because at the time it made more sense to me, and I don't want to default to indecisiveness because that doesn't help anyone, myself the least. By agreeing with someone's actions, it doesn't necessarily change what I think of them. Scum can very well make a good suggestion, earning him town points, but wouldn't be enough to tip my read far enough into the other direction.

Speaking of, my reads on CB and Farto are collective. I don't really have a specific individual read on them yet, which is why I kind of want one of them to flip, or wait for N1 to go by.

Nyquill wrote:

what happens in mafia stays in mafia, wink wink

Okay let me just start from the top here on what I have been meaning to say.

I gave a list of my null-scums, more null-scums than lurkers because lurkers mostly end up in null-scum anyways. I put you in there because you're null besides your mis-reads, putting you leaning scum.

I merely wanted to move the game forward, because while I still believe one of farto and CB are likely to be scum, farto isn't incorrect when it comes to wanting to move forward the game in my eyes. Lets say I did not vote jinxy, which would default me to indecisiveness, or I could have wanted to go with calignobot's idea. If I picked the latter, I would still fall under what you called "saying someone is town while you have scumreads on them" which is completely untrue. I chose the former because at the time it made more sense to me, and I don't want to default to indecisiveness because that doesn't help anyone, myself the least. By agreeing with someone's actions, it doesn't necessarily change what I think of them. Scum can very well make a good suggestion, earning him town points, but wouldn't be enough to tip my read far enough into the other direction.

Speaking of, my reads on CB and Farto are collective. I don't really have a specific individual read on them yet, which is why I kind of want one of them to flip, or wait for N1 to go by.

but there are people (like me and seemingly farto) who get very easily aggrevated by such things, not in a "yep he is scum"-kind of way, but more in a "i wished i hadn't signed up for this"-kind of way. we should just watch that we cut down on the smug and the insults.

your point is fair enough, but i still find it fishy that you agree with the actions of your 3 top scumreads. I mean, even if scum can suggest something for towncred, doing the same thing as essentially 3 guys who you lean towards scum with isn't helping your own case of being town.

also, i didn't say that you said that people are town while you have scumreads on them. I just said that you follow the actions of people that you have scumreads on.

in any case, I'm off to bed. I have an terrible headache right now.

Well Tanz pretty much said the reason why I voted you. You being confused just did not look genuine. You seem to over reacted to what Calingo said and flipped some switch on and said fuck a lot. Perhaps trying to add confusion.

Also reading up on Nyquill ISO and why rEdo voted for him is rather odd. Apparently in th same post as rEdo going V/LA, he voted for Nyquill because he was trying to get someone lynched, but all Nyquill really did was just say vote fartownik.

Nyquill wrote:

Speaking of, my reads on CB and Farto are collective. I don't really have a specific individual read on them yet, which is why I kind of want one of them to flip, or wait for N1 to go by.

What? What's the rush?

note how I said 'wait' for N1 to go by

Note how it can be read differently.

I don't get it

So as I can see that farto got quiet all of a sudden. Why is that so? I mean, at the begin you've been pretty agressive, and then nothing. Only because you got annoyed of the gameplay, what should I say?
Something to reDo: Because of your even inactivity I'd say you're null so far.

Will post my reads tomorrow after i slept.

rEdo: Inactivity has very little to do with it.

Somebody puts a break to this game?

CalignoBot wrote:

That's why we don't just vote some random person in like we ended up doing this time.

But whatever, this conversation doesn't mean jack shit anymore, so I'm not going to talk about it anymore.

so who would have been a not-random-person? what elements do we have d1 to find a better candidate than Jinxy? we wasn't going to lynch him today + he's keeping the pvote count = that's all the lyncher needs to do besides executing the one we tell him to

don't talk too much guys

prod everybody pls

I voted who I think is scum. Also I have work for next 8 hours so

prod dodge

so now we have two people going afk parking their vote on me, and everyone else remains quiet.

Also, I have no idea how to convince you that my reactions are authentic, so theres nothing I can do about that there, give me something concrete to work with here.

+ RB Won't clarify so thats also something I can't do anything about, doesn't anybody else notice something wrong about this?

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

reDo, did you even post anything yet?

Nyquill wrote:

+ RB Won't clarify so thats also something I can't do anything about, doesn't anybody else notice something wrong about this?

Wait for n1 to go by implies you just want d1 to end. And i was probably the first to suspect you in the very beginning.

Irreversible wrote:

reDo, did you even post anything yet?

Hes v/la , but why dont you post something? Like the reads you said you will post after you slept. And if you think fart is scum, why not vote him? Unless youaare scared?

Nyquill wrote:

Speaking of, my reads on CB and Farto are collective. I don't really have a specific individual read on them yet, which is why I kind of want one of them to flip, or wait for N1 to go by.

I meant I want one or the other to happen before making a decision on anything about those two, I think you're just putting words in my mouth now.

I don't understand why everone is so DEAD SET on lynching without anything concrete I can do about, does seriously no one see problems with this.

I will post some stuff when I'm done reading past 10 pages or sth, completely lost interest in any Mafias in past 2 days.

Nyquill wrote:

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

That's new. Why did you suddenly suggest rEdo, when he wasn't in your primary lurker list, and:

CalignoBot wrote:

Scum: fartownik, rEdo, Nyquill

Have fun.

Nyquill wrote:

In case you guys haven't noticed, my confusion came from almost purely the misunderstanding of the post before the entire scenario, but w.e, enjoy lynching calignobot's scumtown (save for fartownik) pool.

Also, if I checked correctly rEdo returns the same time as D1 deadline. Should we get an extension?

And pieguy are you back yet

Jinxy wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

That's new. Why did you suddenly suggest rEdo, when he wasn't in your primary lurker list, and:

CalignoBot wrote:

Scum: fartownik, rEdo, Nyquill

Have fun.

Nyquill wrote:

In case you guys haven't noticed, my confusion came from almost purely the misunderstanding of the post before the entire scenario, but w.e, enjoy lynching calignobot's scumtown (save for fartownik) pool.

It is new, I reconsidered after RB's point, and he was pretty close to falling into my null-scum list anyways.

Imo, these three are lynches we can do with because everyone else I want information from after either N1 or something else major happens.

unimportant note: its kind of ironic I get called out for creating confusion when I am trying to get things clarified, brilliant.

Nyquill wrote:

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

Just one thing: why didn't you include Irreversible here while you included him before in the null-scum list? Is there anything that made you change idea about him? It seems a bit suspicious, as you threw him into that list before (and still, Irre hasn't done really much now).

catchup either tonight or tomorrow, 4 AM ><

Ah, finally you come.

Not much activity lately. ._.

Nyquill wrote:

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

And why I'm in your lynch pool?

I hate catching up on here compared to MS. /misses [post] tags

I hate farto and Nyquill's unexplained scumreads on CTs. his comment about "omg math" feels really laid back and free. considering he's new I don't think he could be emulatingthat kind of posting as scum. it feels like they're trying to lynch low hanging fruit

Caligno is leaning town as of page 8. I like how aggressive he's being early game and I can't remember him playing like this as scum whenever I've played with him-scum 0.0

CTs-Th wrote:

NO!

Well, I just post only 1 post after the game start, how did that possible for me to look scum/town?
And, why did you want a newbie like me to be a leader? Anything behind the curtain?

nice, I'm glad my townread on you is correct
this paranoia feels really town. it has a logical base and feels well founded. never lynch CTs

Raging Bull wrote:

pieguy, why vote Nyquill and FoS him? Wouldn't that mean you are going to vote the leader you think is scum?

RVS

Irreversible wrote:

suspsicipon

you can be town

as of 11, I hate this wagon on Jinxy. I don't think anyone ever gave the reason behind their townreads on him but it feels off especially considering he's not at all a bad scumplayer iirc, and i don't see anything he did that looks really town 0.0

not liking farto's explanation behind his switch onto Jinxy. it seems really weird considering jinxy only had 1 more vote (?) and there was enough time to push a wagon on Tanz. farto + Jinxy team is looking kind of likely atm

fartownik wrote:

No shit sherlock. You had one vote WHICH WAS MINE. JInxy had one vote WHICH WAS YOURS. If I add a vote on JInxy it GIVES TWO. I couldn't add more votes on you so I voted JINXY.

Is this really so hard to understand?

Also uh oh caligno sweetheart I'm sorry. I will answer your pointy point right away.

this is bad

first off, this anger/sarcasm feels really faked. second, why are you getting so pissed off at one of your townreads? it doesn't make sense to me. IMO you would be more willing to work with a townread, and thus less angry if a misunderstanding happens. it feels like you were trying to buddy Tanz and now are pissed off bc it didn't work

fartownik wrote:

2. I have no idea why you find this a scumtell, also I already admitted I've proposed it today for the reactions.

fuck no. it's too easy for scum to get away with shit by saying "lolol it was a reaction test". in a game on MS that just finished, scum tried to quick hammer, FAILED, and wrote it off as a reaction test and no one caught it. town was apathetic as fuck that game so they were prob just too lazy to fix it, but same idea

Irreversible wrote:

Jinxy didn't even say much so far, how did that wagon happen after all? I don't really understand.

this x 9000

Nyquill wrote:

My suggestions for D1 Lynch: rEdo, Kevincela, CTs-th, do what you will with it.

meh

really, just meh. you p much put 3 lurkers. do you really not wanna lynch anyone who's active?

town: CTs, Irre, Caligno, tanz
mb RB, mb Sephi

scum: farto, Jinxy, one of {rEdo, kevin}

farto v Caligno and Caligno v nyquill is all tl;dr there's no way I'm looking into that shit
overall Tanz is being p logical and I don't see any scum motivation at all in anything he's said so far. same with RB and sephi. Jinxy is scum p much entirely bc of farto. if farto flips town jinxy becomes null. nyquill is really weird but his frustration seems genuine and feels different from his reaction to my push on him in lucid dreamers. he said some of the same kind of stuff but there was way less emotion and feeling into it and it didn't feel genuine, whereas this seems way better on a gut level. rEdo and kevin haven't done much of anything so my best bet for 3rd scum is one of them