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Koneko

Joined November 2011

Koneko 2013-04-20T23:06:36+00:00

BRBP wrote:
Koneko wrote:
Singletap with lefthand on keyboard ~160bpm | Singletap righthand ~175bpm (but dont use righthand because there is my PEN >.<)
Single tap this and post a video here, thanks.

sry i did edit it because it was only for 20 hits and not like 600
i hope you're happy

iantanye

33 posts

Joined March 2012

iantanye 2013-04-21T06:41:44+00:00

lel noobs

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Amelia

23 posts

Joined February 2011

Amelia 2013-04-21T06:44:19+00:00

fuck ian, how do you do that.

iantanye

33 posts

Joined March 2012

iantanye 2013-04-21T06:49:33+00:00

by being pr0 and not n00b

VoidnOwO

1,256 posts

Joined August 2012

VoidnOwO 2013-04-21T15:41:42+00:00

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zozozofun

zozozofun 2013-04-21T15:45:20+00:00

BRBP wrote:
Koneko wrote:
Singletap with lefthand on keyboard ~160bpm | Singletap righthand ~175bpm (but dont use righthand because there is my PEN >.<)
Single tap this and post a video here, thanks.

154 BPM isn't hard to singletap, like, at all.

VoidnOwO

1,256 posts

Joined August 2012

VoidnOwO 2013-04-21T15:48:00+00:00

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Aqo

2,710 posts

Joined April 2010

Aqo 2013-04-21T16:35:32+00:00

BRBP wrote:
iantanye wrote:

lel noobs
Do you even lift?

SPOILER

pls

SPOILER

LR2 ID 72765

dukambe

88 posts

Joined May 2011

dukambe 2013-04-21T19:40:03+00:00

Kalas_old

Kalas_old 2013-04-22T17:00:06+00:00

using both hands and vibrate lol

VentaroXLolicon

VentaroXLolicon 2013-05-13T12:59:08+00:00

all the people they make 20 hits are noobs ~ no one make 300bpm at 1000hits, ~

djjsixpack

162 posts

Joined September 2011

djjsixpack 2013-05-13T13:53:11+00:00

Yay, slightly faster now.

`

Tsukasa

471 posts

Joined June 2011

Tsukasa 2013-05-14T11:56:42+00:00

Them necro posts

"I hope I satisfy 2 women as much as 2 women satisfy"

buny

3,435 posts

Joined March 2012

buny 2013-05-14T22:29:29+00:00

zozozofun wrote:
154 BPM isn't hard to singletap, like, at all.

Judging from your skill level, and that statement, you should be able to contest against cookiezi in a LOT of maps since a lot of his dt scores aren't able to be contested due to his extreme streaming capabilities.

Dark Souls PRO

2 posts

Joined November 2012

Dark Souls PRO 2013-05-15T05:39:17+00:00

Gave me a trojan. I wouldn't trust this file.

rmanz

53 posts

Joined September 2012

rmanz 2013-05-15T06:43:48+00:00

If you don't want to download the program you can use the one at all8.com
All you do is go to the website and tap the keys in your web browser.
Be sure to change beats per measure to 4 for stream speed, 2 for singles. (It seems that's normally the metrics used)
Streaming:

Singletapping (not that controlled though):

Papysh

259 posts

Joined February 2013

Papysh 2013-05-22T06:59:30+00:00

it has trojan

Kanye West

2,222 posts

Joined July 2011

Kanye West 2013-05-22T08:26:54+00:00

It's a false positive.

VoidnOwO

1,256 posts

Joined August 2012

VoidnOwO 2013-05-22T09:20:10+00:00

buny wrote:
zozozofun wrote:
154 BPM isn't hard to singletap, like, at all.
Judging from your skill level, and that statement, you should be able to contest against cookiezi in a LOT of maps since a lot of his dt scores aren't able to be contested due to his extreme streaming capabilities.

I can singletap longer 200bpm 1/4 streams than alternate 230bpm 1/4, so those things aren't always related...

silmarilen

5,582 posts

Joined February 2010

silmarilen 2013-05-22T09:47:23+00:00

yeah streaming requires completely different movements
i can singletap 125bpm 1/4 for like 30-40 notes but i cant even stream 200 bpm for half as long.

buny

3,435 posts

Joined March 2012

buny 2013-05-22T11:58:29+00:00

it doesn't have to if you learn how to play with your fingers rather than a movement that only favours one direction of motion.

KawaiiYoshino_old

9 posts

Joined June 2013

KawaiiYoshino_old 2013-06-03T12:18:24+00:00

i hit 50 in 3.23sec???

MakixnicoLove

39 posts

Joined March 2013

MakixnicoLove 2013-06-04T22:51:13+00:00

Thanks for this super program

Full Tablet

2,544 posts

Joined September 2011

Full Tablet 2013-06-04T23:04:45+00:00

Right Hand:
134.1 bpm singletap (200 notes).
146.9 bpm singletap (40 notes).
174.1 bpm alternating (200 notes).
228.8 bpm alternating (40 notes)

Left Hand
101.1 bpm singletap. (200 notes)
108.9 bpm singletap (40 notes)
166.1 bpm alternating. (200 notes)
196.6 bpm alternating. (40 notes).

Maybe I should learn how to hold a pen with my left hand...

Wulfzz

312 posts

Joined November 2012

Wulfzz 2013-07-20T20:52:43+00:00

Right hand:

Left hand:

Well, damn. I play with left hand on keyboard, although I'm left handed and I write (by hand) with my left hand.. Impossibruu to control the pen with my left.

Skin (Updated 22/03/2018) | YouTube | Facebook | My Stream | GFX

- Marco -

Technical Support Team

8,520 posts

Joined December 2011

- Marco - 2013-08-04T09:06:03+00:00

make osu! more awesome! | ♥️ | Need Help? | Lazer > Stable

Tear

332 posts

Joined January 2012

Tear 2013-08-06T16:55:51+00:00

Do I get some kind of consolation prize? ;_;
I actually wonder if there's anyone else in top500 this terrible at streams

Dradow

27 posts

Joined December 2010

Dradow 2013-08-07T18:37:44+00:00

Singletap around 140 bpm, stream around 180.. whut

Aquamarine

222 posts

Joined February 2011

Aquamarine 2013-08-08T15:49:45+00:00

I can accurately burst stream 400BPM. Flame me; mo fo's.

Arcanine

181 posts

Joined May 2013

Arcanine 2013-08-09T20:17:58+00:00

Screenshot

AGRX

540 posts

Joined May 2013

AGRX 2013-08-12T10:18:41+00:00

what dll or runtime frameworks it requires ?? i can make wrapper so mac users can run this too
edit: i already created port but program ignore my input while alternating during counting

Davven

27 posts

Joined April 2013

Davven 2013-08-21T15:19:59+00:00

Funny tool

. Would really be handy with mouse support though. Nice anyway -

Yoshi_green

248 posts

Joined August 2011

Yoshi_green 2013-08-21T21:09:29+00:00

~~I give up~~

*removed*

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Asagi Mutsuki

osu!trivium Champion

1,476 posts

Joined February 2013

Asagi Mutsuki 2013-08-22T01:05:08+00:00

Yoshi_green wrote:
I give up

WTF

my speed

Rio-

3,364 posts

Joined March 2013

Rio- 2013-08-22T01:41:06+00:00

Tried to do Both SingleTaps & DoubleTaps Test... Luckily I'm not being called as A Cheater, but I'm Terrible... ._.

SingleTaps

DoubleTaps

"Growing up is when you realize that it's pointless to put signature in a forum. especially osu! newer forum"

Active years: 2013-2015

Mamoru Senpai

Mamoru Senpai 2013-08-22T02:12:48+00:00

SPOILER

Rest in piece left hand. Thanks for the tool, that's pretty cool.

Yoshi_green

248 posts

Joined August 2011

Yoshi_green 2013-08-26T17:43:34+00:00

~~My 100 stream test:~~

*removed*

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GoldenWolf

2,983 posts

Joined May 2012

GoldenWolf 2013-08-27T04:42:52+00:00

Yoshi_green wrote:
My 100 stream test:

Seems legit

Yoshi_green

248 posts

Joined August 2011

Yoshi_green 2013-08-27T12:48:02+00:00

GoldenWolf wrote:
Seems legit

well I didn't use Photoshop or anything like that

Anyways, my 500 stream test is much lower

*removed*

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jesse1412

1,457 posts

Joined January 2010

jesse1412 2013-08-27T14:33:17+00:00

Why would you waste time posting numerous fake speeds.

Yoshi_green

248 posts

Joined August 2011

Yoshi_green 2013-08-27T14:45:18+00:00

jesus1412 wrote:
Why would you waste time posting numerous fake speeds.

'cause I have plenty of time to waste

edit: I'll just delete these and throw them on my userpage then

- O n i -

138 posts

Joined December 2012

- O n i - 2013-09-14T13:49:11+00:00

deng

Eos3_old

1 post

Joined April 2012

Eos3_old 2013-09-16T02:58:30+00:00

I've been looking for something like this, thanks.

Touka

4 posts

Joined June 2012

Touka 2013-09-22T07:46:19+00:00

‎

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Hawnta

240 posts

Joined September 2013

Hawnta 2013-09-22T23:13:09+00:00

.

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Reyvateil

146 posts

Joined June 2013

Reyvateil 2013-09-23T00:15:48+00:00

Double tapping/mashing

Relaxed streaming (somewhat right, but some song just have way more than 200 notes to hit and kick sliders in the middle... ;_;)

?????

wee yea erra osu! hymmnos leat

VoidnOwO

1,256 posts

Joined August 2012

VoidnOwO 2013-10-01T00:06:48+00:00

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BLITZKREIG_old

4 posts

Joined February 2013

BLITZKREIG_old 2013-10-05T15:08:06+00:00

ehh i need help how to stream faster( i had only 150 BPM with left hand ;_;) but please stop talking about practice... i has been learning stream over 1 month and from 170-150...

GoldenWolf

2,983 posts

Joined May 2012

GoldenWolf 2013-10-05T15:10:05+00:00

BLITZKREIG wrote:
ehh i need help how to stream faster( i had only 150 BPM with left hand ;_;) but please stop talking about practice... i has been learning stream over 1 month and from 170-150...

Yeah 1 month is a lot. Especially compared to the years of practice of other people.

zEntropy

2 posts

Joined May 2013

zEntropy 2013-10-13T02:05:47+00:00

You guys are monsters. I've been playing the regular Osu! mode for about 2 months now and I can manage about 160bpm at 50 notes and 150 bpm at 100 notes. How many plays would you say it'd take to get that up to 200 for 100 notes? I'm having major trouble playing most songs >170bpm and it's slightly depressing.

GoldenWolf

2,983 posts

Joined May 2012

GoldenWolf 2013-10-13T02:16:33+00:00

You've got less than 3k playcounts, which is basically nothing. I don't think you should feel bad for something like that at your level...
It can take 6 months, one year or two, or even more. It depends on the person (at which rate you're improving), how much you play etc.

Mikelicious

337 posts

Joined September 2012

Mikelicious 2013-10-13T02:25:54+00:00

Its something ;-;

mah yt: http://www.youtube.com/user/madaraxDAmv
Ask me something!: http://ask.fm/Mikelicious

Almost

2,154 posts

Joined May 2012

Almost 2013-10-13T03:48:00+00:00

Too bad I can't read, aim or accuracy streams.

BLITZKREIG_old

4 posts

Joined February 2013

BLITZKREIG_old 2013-10-25T20:42:08+00:00

GoldenWolf wrote:
BLITZKREIG wrote:
ehh i need help how to stream faster( i had only 150 BPM with left hand ;_;) but please stop talking about practice... i has been learning stream over 1 month and from 170-150...
Yeah 1 month is a lot. Especially compared to the years of practice of other people.

Yeah butafter 1 month im worse... im just asking there is better way to stream faster

- L A U R A -

187 posts

Joined December 2012

- L A U R A - 2013-10-25T20:49:30+00:00

eeeeww

Why are all so fast... in real osu I can play up to 140 bpm streams with not to many 100s and 50s...
I'm noob ._.

GoldenWolf

2,983 posts

Joined May 2012

GoldenWolf 2013-10-25T21:59:23+00:00

BLITZKREIG wrote:
Yeah butafter 1 month im worse... im just asking there is better way to stream faster

Practice more. Take breaks from time to time, when you feel your hand is too tired.

- L A U R A -

187 posts

Joined December 2012

- L A U R A - 2013-11-12T20:33:29+00:00

- L A U R A - wrote:
eeeeww
Why are all so fast... in real osu I can play up to 140 bpm streams with not to many 100s and 50s...
I'm noob ._.

Omg I got better...

NO I DIDN'T CHEAT

#bored_at_school
Even though I just had a few minutes to get this, cheating in osu is also not that hard (but I never cheat when I'm online...)

Soulg

575 posts

Joined February 2013

Soulg 2013-11-12T20:40:42+00:00

everybody knows that it's very easy to cheat

but if you do it "that way" then its blatantly obvious

Narrill wrote:
good job

- L A U R A -

187 posts

Joined December 2012

- L A U R A - 2013-11-12T20:46:28+00:00

Soulg wrote:
everybody knows that it's very easy to cheat

but if you do it "that way" then its blatantly obvious

Oh yeah I already told that I don't cheat online, only did this to look what is possible. Because I learn programming at school, it' s also a bit like learning, that I see what this and that will make. If you really think I made it that people think I can stream that fast, then you're the biggest baka on osu I ever met.

Look at my profile, you'll see that:
1. Not extremly good accuray
2. Low rank

Like hell I cheat to get this...

Firstdrew

29 posts

Joined February 2013

Firstdrew 2013-11-13T05:37:28+00:00

With 2 hands, i can get 351.3 BPM :3

Full Tablet

2,544 posts

Joined September 2011

Full Tablet 2013-11-21T17:59:30+00:00

X+Tap

(This wouldn't work at all in a real beatmap though, my hands are completely unsynchronized)

I can barely reach 170bpm with only keyboard.

Soulg

575 posts

Joined February 2013

Soulg 2013-11-21T23:32:22+00:00

what did you use for that? doesnt look anything like original program

Narrill wrote:
good job

Full Tablet

2,544 posts

Joined September 2011

Full Tablet 2013-11-22T01:10:41+00:00

Soulg wrote:
what did you use for that? doesnt look anything like original program

t/160893

Claire

17 posts

Joined August 2013

Claire 2013-11-26T16:38:51+00:00

erm... "Virus has been removed, you can continue using your computer normally."

wat

Soulg

575 posts

Joined February 2013

Soulg 2013-11-26T18:00:25+00:00

iNakkivene wrote:
erm... "Virus has been removed, you can continue using your computer normally."

wat

probably got it from those fucking dolan comics.

Narrill wrote:
good job

Claire

17 posts

Joined August 2013

Claire 2013-11-27T18:21:28+00:00

Soulg wrote:
iNakkivene wrote:
erm... "Virus has been removed, you can continue using your computer normally."

wat
probably got it from those fucking dolan comics.

Soulg pls

gadrin

111 posts

Joined January 2013

gadrin 2013-11-27T21:52:18+00:00

This is great

. When you click the buttons you seem much slower than you actually are!

Ookami

19 posts

Joined January 2011

Ookami 2014-01-01T07:52:28+00:00

Asozial wrote:
Two records in one screen :>

By the way.

Talinoth

59 posts

Joined September 2013

Talinoth 2014-01-01T11:34:45+00:00

SECOND EDIT - In light of the perceived ineffectiveness of Norton Antivirus (It's come a long way guys, really), I will retract my statement.

I still get a terrible feeling from DL'ing exe files, and if I can't confirm what it is, I still won't touch it.

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WolfCoder

182 posts

Joined June 2009

WolfCoder 2014-01-01T12:30:14+00:00

The phrase "Norton Antivirus" removes all credibility.

Also, he can just post the source code, looks like a short program.

Would really like to see a stream simulator that generates random infinite streams to a metronome of a given speed until you miss a hit circle. This would be most accurate and give you some good warmups.

Soulg

575 posts

Joined February 2013

Soulg 2014-01-01T22:46:49+00:00

Talinoth wrote:
WARNING - My Norton Antivirus discovered a Trojan in the exe file.

I recommend NOT trusting this file!

EDIT: As soon as you try to unpack the zip file, the trojan reveals itself. Dangerous

norton antivirus is itself as bad as a trojan.

and it's laughably terrible at what it tries to do

Narrill wrote:
good job

Pelaaja_X

48 posts

Joined November 2013

Pelaaja_X 2014-01-02T15:32:51+00:00

Thank you for this, interesting! Nice one.

Ps.

17.91 per second.

Pelaaja_X

48 posts

Joined November 2013

Pelaaja_X 2014-01-02T15:33:56+00:00

Soulg wrote:
Talinoth wrote:
WARNING - My Norton Antivirus discovered a Trojan in the exe file.

I recommend NOT trusting this file!

EDIT: As soon as you try to unpack the zip file, the trojan reveals itself. Dangerous
norton antivirus is itself as bad as a trojan.

and it's laughably terrible at what it tries to do

Soulg, I totally agree with you.

Rewben2

996 posts

Joined November 2012

Rewben2 2014-01-02T15:41:50+00:00

am i doin it rite??

Anyways, highest I can get legitimately in 20 presses is 230.

BlackMidKnight

182 posts

Joined March 2010

BlackMidKnight 2014-01-08T15:26:56+00:00

Your 50 hits has been complete in 3.79 seconds.
Average hit speed: 13.19 per-second
Osu! 1/4 stream hits speed is at: 197.8 BPM

Pelaaja_X

48 posts

Joined November 2013

Pelaaja_X 2014-01-25T11:15:19+00:00

I found a way I can get up to 50 per second. When I wrote something like "2+" to the amount of hits, it se that amount to 3, and you can guess the rest...

Tripp

22 posts

Joined October 2013

Tripp 2014-03-06T21:32:18+00:00

Turns out my right hand should be doing the tapping...

left

The secret to high bpm is clenching your butt-cheeks

Keima-sama_old

Keima-sama_old 2014-03-07T23:38:30+00:00

I'm so pro

Yostel

225 posts

Joined November 2013

Yostel 2014-03-14T20:08:37+00:00

The CtB right-handed player streams with his left hand.

Merow

19 posts

Joined May 2013

Merow 2014-03-22T14:27:56+00:00

umm.. ._.

DevRT

18 posts

Joined December 2011

DevRT 2014-03-25T02:40:48+00:00

My fastest

Erm, this speed should be able to play osu! well.
Your 100 hits has been complete in 8.54 seconds.
Average hit speed: 11.71 per-second
Osu! 1/4 stream hits speed is at: 175.6 BPM

No wonder I hate streams.

GoldenWolf

2,983 posts

Joined May 2012

GoldenWolf 2014-03-25T03:46:08+00:00

Kanye West wrote:
ITT: cheating

Seyren Delicia

25 posts

Joined June 2013

Seyren Delicia 2014-03-29T14:01:19+00:00

could someone link me a version for mouse only ?

Full Tablet

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Joined September 2011

Full Tablet 2014-03-29T15:21:32+00:00

Seyrenn wrote:
could someone link me a version for mouse only ?

t/160893&start=0

Seyren Delicia

25 posts

Joined June 2013

Seyren Delicia 2014-03-29T23:50:59+00:00

thanks

ChicagoTed

76 posts

Joined July 2013

ChicagoTed 2014-04-13T17:05:39+00:00

Eh, good enough.

aw yea

Karuta-_old_1

946 posts

Joined November 2009

Karuta-_old_1 2014-04-13T17:59:44+00:00

left hand stream

Hi everyone, most tips to improve on osu! can be found here

t/224751/start=0

and thanks Gigo

Where is Kaienyuu when you need em

sevilla6532

2 posts

Joined October 2010

sevilla6532 2014-05-12T01:00:35+00:00

single tap: 153.4 BPM :3
double tap: 235.6 BPM
i though i was slower and im surprised now

Kawatta

26 posts

Joined December 2013

Kawatta 2014-05-12T13:39:04+00:00

Damn... Way more then i expected. Now i just need to be able to be consistent with the clicking when i do streams.

<- Add me here, so we can play games together!

Granger

835 posts

Joined April 2014

Granger 2014-05-12T17:45:26+00:00

130 bpm with both 50 and 100 hits... dang i suck.
Well thats my left hand, i normally play mouse only, and that with my right hand.

Support for M1 and M2 please? ^-^

mcdoomfrag

94 posts

Joined June 2013

mcdoomfrag 2014-05-12T18:19:15+00:00

Granger wrote:
130 bpm with both 50 and 100 hits... dang i suck.
Well thats my left hand, i normally play mouse only, and that with my right hand.

Support for M1 and M2 please? ^-^

t/160893

-Remix

-Remix 2014-06-22T10:05:42+00:00

Ok.........I might have cheated.

TrinitehFoarse

68 posts

Joined February 2014

TrinitehFoarse 2014-06-22T12:48:08+00:00

Single tapped 20 keys in 2.48 seconds

Tons of Damage!

notkris

14 posts

Joined June 2013

notkris 2014-06-23T19:57:56+00:00

i vibrated (:

200 bpm consistently prolly

220 streams are hard af for me

beeboy123

183 posts

Joined June 2013

beeboy123 2014-06-23T20:21:23+00:00

165

Rhyth

4 posts

Joined April 2013

Rhyth 2014-06-25T12:38:31+00:00

http://gyazo.com/2683ee776cf77d1450398a1424d066f6

Exactly 240bpm in 100 hits

http://gyazo.com/bc6392bdb662b50d247ecee3e12c2809

Small goal 245

Ultimate goal 250

moncar321

220 posts

Joined February 2012

moncar321 2014-07-25T07:51:01+00:00

i will try
later

SPOILER

[url=steam://friends/add/76561198117766764]

[/url]

Ballpit

3 posts

Joined August 2013

Ballpit 2014-07-30T07:38:35+00:00

right hand both fingers Z/X
http://gyazo.com/de941b2b7704eea13480ff390ea26af5

Left hand both fingers 8/9
http://gyazo.com/463b034c3dafa38bd6a697c759e698e9

Right hand only z with ring finger
http://gyazo.com/8c529a253db9f2f51aef9a9fd66f113b

Rhyth

4 posts

Joined April 2013

Rhyth 2014-08-03T10:13:17+00:00

Posting again to show my new scores, I use my right hand on zx since i'm a left hand osu! player(can play right hand osu! but dominant on the left side).

My 20 hits BPM is 100% legit, did not use any third party software and didn't use keys that would alter the hit numbers(like I got the coolermaster tk keyboard where the numpads have 0 and 00 and it counts as 3 key hits instead of 2). The key I press for it was zx(self explanatory).

20 hits BPM: 303.3BPM
100 hits BPM: 243.7BPM GOAL: 250BPM
1000 hits BPM: 192.6BPM GOAL: 200BPM

Frc

363 posts

Joined July 2014

Frc 2014-08-03T21:36:55+00:00

It´s funny because i can´t even do beatmaps near that bpm

to stand and consider all possibilities is to drown in a tunnelling sea of infinite potentiality

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BRBP wrote:

Koneko wrote:

BRBP wrote:

Koneko wrote:

BRBP wrote:

iantanye wrote:

zozozofun wrote:

buny wrote:

zozozofun wrote:

Yoshi_green wrote:

Yoshi_green wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

jesus1412 wrote:

BLITZKREIG wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

BLITZKREIG wrote:

BLITZKREIG wrote:

- L A U R A - wrote:

Narrill wrote:

Soulg wrote:

Narrill wrote:

Soulg wrote:

iNakkivene wrote:

Narrill wrote:

Soulg wrote:

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