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I'm fine for any of the "Great+" mafias and the standard setups from you.
Hi, I can start my mystery mafia game anytime, probably semi-open and more details when i make the topic. Most likely 15p.
I guess you can just go on, Kanye. Your game's been queued there for some time already.
Well Stacking the Deck just ended. And considering the DOTA game is ending soon, do I have any more votes for the possible setups?
Let me tell you this now. 15-P games are most likely not going to work (e.g. look at DOTA Smalltown). Up to you if you want to risk it though.Kanye West wrote:
Hi, I can start my mystery mafia game anytime, probably semi-open and more details when i make the topic. Most likely 15p.
Soap?
In either case from the looks of things there will be plenty of time for people to vote which game they prefer, since it seems kanye and pieguy are next.
For now Lucid Dreamers has 2 votes and Great+ Idea Mafia has 1 vote.
For now Lucid Dreamers has 2 votes and Great+ Idea Mafia has 1 vote.
either Lucid Dreamers or Greater Idea Mafia is fine with me :3
0.5 to both i guess
good point, I'll probably settle for 9-12pNoHitter wrote:
Let me tell you this now. 15-P games are most likely not going to work (e.g. look at DOTA Smalltown). Up to you if you want to risk it though.Kanye West wrote:
Hi, I can start my mystery mafia game anytime, probably semi-open and more details when i make the topic. Most likely 15p.
/pre-in for anything
/pre in whatever is next.
/pre in for everything that's up and coming.
hope it isn't too late for that ;;
hope it isn't too late for that ;;
pls make gahm
lol.
And then everyone /pre-in's
Just save me that first spot, sis.
And then everyone /pre-in's
Just save me that first spot, sis.
I totally would, but I'm waiting to see whether kanye is starting his now or not, he's been waiting for a while already (inb4 have 3 games running like in the old times)fartownik wrote:
pls make gahm
Edit: If within 24 hours neither pieguy nor kanye have started their game or at least posted here providing some insight on when will they do it i'll make Lucid Dreamers then.
I'm not starting my game yet cause I thought Kanye was ahead of me. if he wants I can go ahead of him o.o
So yeah, guess it'll be a while until Lucid Dreamers then (inb4 all pre-ins full before the other games even begin) btw it's gonna be 12p.
Edit: Updated the queue btw, how many players is your game pieguy1372?
Edit: Updated the queue btw, how many players is your game pieguy1372?
pieguy you can probably run yours alongside mine once dota mafia ends
or you can start yours and pieguy can start his when DotA ends, there's very little time until DotA ends anyway.
I'm not in a hurry, but people here seem to be, tho I'm sitting one if not both out, im in too many ongoing games already:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sakura_Hana
I'm not in a hurry, but people here seem to be, tho I'm sitting one if not both out, im in too many ongoing games already:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sakura_Hana
any number of players is fine. I'll think of something no matter whatSakura wrote:
So yeah, guess it'll be a while until Lucid Dreamers then (inb4 all pre-ins full before the other games even begin) btw it's gonna be 12p.
Edit: Updated the queue btw, how many players is your game pieguy1372?
Send pre-ins to Lucid Dreamers by PM, take in mind im up after pieguy's game so it may be a while until it starts, will be editing this post with all pre-ins.
1. Lilac
2. RB
3. NoHitter
4. Rantai
5. Tanzklaue
6. CalignoBot
7. Tsukasa
8. BRBP
9. pieguy1372
10. LadySuburu
11. Nyquill
12. fartownik?
You may pre-in at any time, but if you're gonna pre-in please take in mind that it will be a while until signups start, if the list fills before signups start, then i'll just send PMs to confirm who is still /in at the time of game start.
1. Lilac
2. RB
3. NoHitter
4. Rantai
5. Tanzklaue
6. CalignoBot
7. Tsukasa
8. BRBP
9. pieguy1372
10. LadySuburu
11. Nyquill
12. fartownik?
You may pre-in at any time, but if you're gonna pre-in please take in mind that it will be a while until signups start, if the list fills before signups start, then i'll just send PMs to confirm who is still /in at the time of game start.
I'll pre in, never played a lucid dreamer game I think.
Here are some examples of Lucid dreamers games, mind all these are marathons, but so you get the idea:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29766
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29771
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29798
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29766
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29771
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29798
Damn Sakura playing so many Mafias.
can I go yet cause DOTA ended o.o
ffs, yes.
please
kk let's go \:D/
I had another idea for a setup, maybe I can do it after Lucid Dreamers
title is "Multi-faction mafia". I'll say just this
game can function as at least 7p, more players is OK
title is "Multi-faction mafia". I'll say just this
game can function as at least 7p, more players is OK
Joining Queue to host a game.
No details are being released at this time. Because I'm a tease.
No details are being released at this time. Because I'm a tease.
another LS game hell yes >w<
can I host a minigame
Name: 5p Jester Mafia
Setup:
game can work with 7p by adding two VTs
just thought it'd be a fun idea and I wanted to have a game with a Jester, since it's only 5p it could probably be run concurrently, otherwise no need to host it > <
Name: 5p Jester Mafia
Setup:
- 1 Mafia goon
- 1 Jester
- 3 Vanilla Townies
game can work with 7p by adding two VTs
just thought it'd be a fun idea and I wanted to have a game with a Jester, since it's only 5p it could probably be run concurrently, otherwise no need to host it > <
Dunno if it can run concurrent or not, but I added you to the queue anyway.
Well me and Sakura are out of any current games...
So that's kind of 2 people already.
(pre /in if that happens)
So that's kind of 2 people already.
(pre /in if that happens)
Well i'd say that if he gets 5 pre-ins he can go ahead and skip queue, my game is much larger to begin with so im fine with waiting until one is done.NoHitter wrote:
(pre /in if that happens)
Edit: Yeah this means im /pre-in too
I'm in like 7 games \:D/BRBP wrote:
Otherwise should probably let other people play, I'm already in two games.
sounds good, then accepting pre-ins
if I can get 4 I'll just make a thread to attract more attention since I'm not sure how many people check here..
if I can get 4 I'll just make a thread to attract more attention since I'm not sure how many people check here..
/pre-in yet again then.pieguy1372 wrote:
sounds good, then accepting pre-ins
if I can get 4 I'll just make a thread to attract more attention since I'm not sure how many people check here..
I already pre-in'd >.>
well figured I'd announce it so other people could know for sure
I guess I'll join the mini.
I'll /pre-in as well.
I died or the game ended in a lot of the games I'm in, so I have the capacity to play another one.
EDIT: Okay I didn't see the thread; /in to replace then.
I died or the game ended in a lot of the games I'm in, so I have the capacity to play another one.
EDIT: Okay I didn't see the thread; /in to replace then.
I can add you as a replacement if you want ._.//
ninja'd by an edit
okay ~Going to /in to mod.
It will most likely be a upick type of thing. I'll think about it more while I'm in the queue.
It will most likely be a upick type of thing. I'll think about it more while I'm in the queue.
Modding a Matrix6.
Going to annonce that all pre-ins for Lucid Dreamers are now taken:
1. Lilac
2. RB
3. NoHitter
4. Rantai
5. Tanzklaue
6. CalignoBot
7. Tsukasa
8. BRBP
9. pieguy1372
10. LadySuburu
11. Nyquill
12. fartownik
When one of the current games is finished i'll create the thread and send a PM to everyone in this list for them to confirm whether they still want to participate or not.
1. Lilac
2. RB
3. NoHitter
4. Rantai
5. Tanzklaue
6. CalignoBot
7. Tsukasa
8. BRBP
9. pieguy1372
10. LadySuburu
11. Nyquill
12. fartownik
When one of the current games is finished i'll create the thread and send a PM to everyone in this list for them to confirm whether they still want to participate or not.
/in to host another after my already queued one.
Tower of Heaven Mafia. Loosely based on the flash game of the same name.
Edit: If someone not on the list wants in to mod, they can jump ahead of this second game.
Tower of Heaven Mafia. Loosely based on the flash game of the same name.
Edit: If someone not on the list wants in to mod, they can jump ahead of this second game.
hey guys what do you think about this setup
10p Crapshoot Mafia
10p Crapshoot Mafia
- 1 Mafia Strong-willed Rolecop (strong-willed = immune to all redirection roles, in this game it includes rolestop/nexus/etc.)
- 1 compulsive redirector
- 1 compulsive bus driver
- 1 compulsive roleblocker
- 1 compulsive rolestopper
- 1 compulsive jailkeeper
- 1 nexus
- 1 1-shot lightning rod
- 1 1-shot switch
- 1 1-shot vigilante
- 50% 1 sane cop, 50% 1 insane cop
- Mafia randomly gets one of the eight redirection roles. This becomes non-compulsive if it was one of the compulsive roles. One of the remaining redirection roles is omitted and given to the mafia rolecop as a safeclaim
- Lightning rod activates on either N1, N2, or N3 (randomly determined at the start of the game)
- Switch turns all redirection roles off for one night
- Cop doesn't know if their target changed
- Rolestop stops kills
- Actions take place in this order: switch > lightning rod > busdrive > redirect > roleblock > JK > rolestop
Sent a recheck to all Lucid dreamers pre-in, just in case someone prefers to wait until one of the current ongoing large games is over.
yeah I wanna host when it's my turn
I hesitated cause I wasn't sure about the setup, but I think I solved the only way I found to break it (massclaim outs rolecop), so I wanna try it
the purpose of the game is just fun, so why not :3
I hesitated cause I wasn't sure about the setup, but I think I solved the only way I found to break it (massclaim outs rolecop), so I wanna try it
the purpose of the game is just fun, so why not :3
/in to mod for a 12-p game.
just to clarify, is my setup too ridiculous, or am I hosting too many games 0.0
I saw I wasn't in there so I thought I'd ask haha
(or am I blacklisted cause I missed too many deadlines > <)
I saw I wasn't in there so I thought I'd ask haha
(or am I blacklisted cause I missed too many deadlines > <)
As a quick amendment, my game will most likely be a 12p themed game, not a upick.
I'll confirm what it will be when it's close to my turn.
I'll confirm what it will be when it's close to my turn.
Missed you sorry.pieguy1372 wrote:
just to clarify, is my setup too ridiculous, or am I hosting too many games 0.0
I saw I wasn't in there so I thought I'd ask haha
(or am I blacklisted cause I missed too many deadlines > <)
/in to mod
1) Scum, to prevent flavor issues, should and shall have safe-claims. So Flavor influence may be lessen.
2) I might change the setup. But I am not going to announce what it is anymore.
3) There WILL be VTs.
Adding stuff:Tsukasa wrote:
In the year 1490, In the world of Ancardia. An unknown continent filled with nations sit on it's surface. It was peaceful at first, But then something happened to one of it's countries that changed everything.
The Ruler of Bronquia was killed by it's successor, Eventually crowning him their new king.
By the rule of the new king, Gulcasa, They attacked the kingdom of Fantasinia and succeeded in it's siege. The King of Fantasinia has fallen, and it's army shattered, Their only hope now is the survivor of the royal family of Artwaltz, Princess Yggdra, and the holy sword that she carries, The Gran Centurio.
Will the Bronquians succeed on being the sole empire that rules the land? Or Will the Fantasinians regain it's former glory and overthrow the evil Bronquians?
INTRODUCING: MAFIA UNION
Based on the Game Yggdra union
Game Setup/Desciption:
1) Would be a 15p Game. (Or less depending on the number of people who are joining
2) Due to the complaints of having short deadlines, Day phases would be 7 days. Night Phases Would still be 1 day.
3) This is an experimental setup.
4) It will NEVER EVER BE A BASTARD SETUP (No Jesters, No Cults, NO LIGHTNING ROD PGOs
Game-Specific Rules:
1) Each player would be given 1 card Each Day.
2) Card distribution would be given at random. The stronger the card is, The rarer it is. (Card strength would be based on this list
3)Card usage will depend on which card. Some can only be used during the day, Some during the night, Some at any time, And some activated automatically (Passive Cards)
Sign-ups:
1) NO SIGN-UPS ARE BEING ACCEPTED AT THE MOMENT.
2) This message is merely an advertisement and, of course, posted here so the mod queue will not be disturbed. The final setup is not yet... erm... "Finalized"... Hence, any kind of sign-up, pre-in will not be accepted.
3) Sign-Ups/Pre-ins may be available in 2 weeks time or so.
Additional Information:
1) Most probably, It would be 12-Town 3-Scums.
2) But since there's a special rule, It may reach 11-Town 4-Scums, or it MAY reach up to 10-Town 5-Scums since it is a swingy setup.
3) Roles may still have their own power, which would be different from their card.
4) DO NOT RELY ON ROLE FLAVOR!!! ORIGINAL FANTASINIAN CHARACTERS MAY BE BRONQUIAN, AND VISE VERSA
1) Scum, to prevent flavor issues, should and shall have safe-claims. So Flavor influence may be lessen.
2) I might change the setup. But I am not going to announce what it is anymore.
3) There WILL be VTs.
Oh... and
Sign-ups/Pre-ins are to be accepted
Requirements for pre-in.
1) Should be in PM form. So I can keep track of who sign up.
2) Should be OK with a swingy setup.
Sign-ups/Pre-ins are to be accepted
Requirements for pre-in.
1) Should be in PM form. So I can keep track of who sign up.
2) Should be OK with a swingy setup.
Now Announcing: Higurashi Mafia
NOTE: There WILL be spoilers for some plot points in the first series. Anyone who has not played through the sound novel or watched at least the first anime series and don't want to be spoiled for these plot points should be wary of joining or following along. However, it is entirely possible to play without having any knowledge of the universe's canon, and there is no risk of spoilers to anyone who has only seen the first anime series.
NOTE: There WILL be spoilers for some plot points in the first series. Anyone who has not played through the sound novel or watched at least the first anime series and don't want to be spoiled for these plot points should be wary of joining or following along. However, it is entirely possible to play without having any knowledge of the universe's canon, and there is no risk of spoilers to anyone who has only seen the first anime series.
June 1983
The Watanagashi Festival is coming once again. The string of murders on this night for the past four years is fully expected to happen once again. The people of Hinamizawa are not satisfied with allowing this to continue further and are willing to do what has to be done in order to stop Oyashiro-sama's curse once and for all.
However, there are those who have other goals. Only those who have the courage to fight for their destiny will be able to overcome the curse.
Can fate be changed? Or will this Watanagashi Festival be the most catastrophic one yet?
Setup Information
a. This will be a 12p game, although I am willing to extend it to a 15p game.
b. Innocent Hinamizawans are the town alignment. Oyashiro's Messengers are the mafia alignment.
c. Alignments in this universe's canon will not be relevant in this setup.
d. Story flavor will be entirely separate from the game.
e. This setup has none of the following: Alignment-changing roles, Jesters, Cults, Misleading Roles (for example, cops are guaranteed to be sane), or any other type of bastard modding roles.
f. This setup is an experiment and has not been fully checked for balance.
Game-Specific RulesPlot Spoilera. Every character is infected with Hinamizawa Syndrome and starts at level 2 of the disease.
b. If a character remains at Level 5 for the entirety of two game phases, they will commit suicide.
c. Levels higher than five are taken into account for level-modifying abilities, although they will show up as 5.
d. Some characters get additional abilities at specific levels of the disease.
e. The mafiakill is replaced with the ability to increase the Hinamizawa Syndrome level of multiple people.
Additional Information
a. Pre-Ins are now being accepted by PM.
b. The Setup is not fully finalized, and some mechanics may undergo small changes. Any public changes will be announced either before or as sign-ups begin.
c. To be absolutely clear: Any character can be any alignment.
d. Days will be seven days long, while nights will be twenty four hours long. Once day 4 begins, day deadlines will be reduced to four days each.
Oh god. I like Tsukasa and Calingo flavor. God damnit.
lol Caligno.
What kind of kakera does Rika start commuting murders in? xD
Anyway /pre-in for that.
What kind of kakera does Rika start commuting murders in? xD
Anyway /pre-in for that.
I forgot to mention: If anyone is willing to Co- or Backup-Moderate this game, I'd greatly appreciate it. Co-Mod duty requirements would only be to double-check night action resolution.
Still need to update the OP with tsukasa's and caligno's but i'm too lazy busy with work atm.
I'm up for being co-mod for the theme games coming up since I'm not really interested in playing them. Would be nice to polish up on some modding skills.
And yeah
TOUHOU MAFIA V -A GOOD DAY TO LYNCH LOLIS shitty reference
12p, Closed Setup, Non-PYP is all I can say for now. Playercount might subject to change but I'm doubtful.
TOUHOU MAFIA V -
12p, Closed Setup, Non-PYP is all I can say for now. Playercount might subject to change but I'm doubtful.
can I pre-in 0.0
otherwise I just know I'll be asleep during signups
otherwise I just know I'll be asleep during signups
Ok, I guess. Maybe I'll only have half pre-ins instead of the whole thing. 6 pre-ins if anyone wants them.
Lybydose wrote:
Queue:
Currently Running:
1 - 9p / Closed / Mystery Mafia - Kanye West Currently on D4
2 - 12p / Open / Lucid Dreamers - Sakura Currently on N2
3 - ??p/ Closed / Information Mafia - LadySuburu Currently on D1
Queued:
1 - 12p -15p / ??? / Higurashi Mafia - CalignoBot Accepting Pre-Ins
2 - 9p / Open / Matrix6 - Lilac
3 - 10p / Open / Crapshoot Mafia - pieguy1372
4 - 12p / ??? / ??? - NoHitter
5 - 15p / ??? / Mafia Union - Tsukasa Accepting Pre-Ins
6 - 12p / Closed / Touhou Mafia V - Jinxy Accepting Pre-Ins, 3/6 Remain
X - ??p / ??? / Tower of Heaven Mafia - LadySuburu (People can skip past this one on the queue if they want)
Just as a quick note: If the next game is to start this month, have Lilac go next. I'm going to be on vacation for four days next week.
I'm thinking of doing on of these couple of games.
1. "They are Mafia." - A different twist on LS's "You are Mafia." game, this is a mafia game where your role is another person who is playing and what I perceive them to be. This will either be closed or open depending on what people want. Open will mean that role PMs are posted on first page and mafia are chosen randomly.
2. "Songafia PyP II" - Basically a continuation of the first Songafia, choose a song and that will be your role. Yes, it should technically be Upick but this is tradition to call it that I guess.
3. "Past, Present and Future Mafia" - I'll need a co-host for this one but this is essentially the same as ||||||||| done by Wojjan where roles are taken from every past mafia and squashed together in one game. Roles might be redone in order to balance it more so most flavour roles might not be the same as they were.
4. "osu! community PyP mafia II" - Exactly the same as it's first counterpart by 0_o. Choose a user from the osu! community that IS NOT yourself and you'll get a role that reflects on that person.
Feel free to decide which one I should do. If there are any questions feel free to ask as well.
1. "They are Mafia." - A different twist on LS's "You are Mafia." game, this is a mafia game where your role is another person who is playing and what I perceive them to be. This will either be closed or open depending on what people want. Open will mean that role PMs are posted on first page and mafia are chosen randomly.
2. "Songafia PyP II" - Basically a continuation of the first Songafia, choose a song and that will be your role. Yes, it should technically be Upick but this is tradition to call it that I guess.
3. "Past, Present and Future Mafia" - I'll need a co-host for this one but this is essentially the same as ||||||||| done by Wojjan where roles are taken from every past mafia and squashed together in one game. Roles might be redone in order to balance it more so most flavour roles might not be the same as they were.
4. "osu! community PyP mafia II" - Exactly the same as it's first counterpart by 0_o. Choose a user from the osu! community that IS NOT yourself and you'll get a role that reflects on that person.
Feel free to decide which one I should do. If there are any questions feel free to ask as well.
ahh i do want to do songafia. that looked very interesting ;w;
Gonig to queue up a 12p multiball, details later, also finally added Tsukasa's and Caligno's games to the queue.
I'm still waiting for osu! Community PYP 2, but all those sound pretty cool. I'd definitely join 1 or 3. Start Past, Present and Future on 11/12/13 ty
Also Sakura, I made a latest queue quote the previous page, assuming Caligno's Higurashi was for the currently unknown slot he queued for. You also missed my TH V game.
Also Sakura, I made a latest queue quote the previous page, assuming Caligno's Higurashi was for the currently unknown slot he queued for. You also missed my TH V game.
Changed previous post to accommodate for Jinxy's suggestion. I KNEW I FORGOT SOMETHING. Know that I'll be only doing one of these for now, not sure if I could do a second one of any of them above.
Best ListMod ever.Jinxy wrote:
Also Sakura, I made a latest queue quote the previous page, assuming Caligno's Higurashi was for the currently unknown slot he queued for. You also missed my TH V game.
On a more serious note, if whoever's up next wants their game delayed please PM me.
i guess pre in jinxy TH mafia
Also I just made the Queue prettier.
@Lilac, 1st and 3rd for the win.
1, 3, or 4 plz
I won as mafia in the first songafiaplus I don't wanna find more Remi arranges so I'm done with that for now haha
I won as mafia in the first songafia
Someone please host a Moderator's Mafia or something.
Your role will be a person who modded at least more than one mafia game before on the osu! forums.
(Alternatively, I can mod it...)
Your role will be a person who modded at least more than one mafia game before on the osu! forums.
SPOILER
NoHitter, LadySuburu, Wojjan, Lilac, Sakura, strager, Ace of Hearts, 0_o, Jinxy, pieguy1372, Kanye West, Nyquill, Two
(Alternatively, I can mod it...)
I can mod it (or co-mod).NoHitter wrote:
Someone please host a Moderator's Mafia or something.
Your role will be a person who modded at least more than one mafia game before on the osu! forums.SPOILERNoHitter, LadySuburu, Wojjan, Lilac, Sakura, strager, Ace of Hearts, 0_o, Jinxy, pieguy1372, Kanye West, Nyquill, Two
(Alternatively, I can mod it...)
You forgot MaraNoHitter wrote:
Someone please host a Moderator's Mafia or something.
Your role will be a person who modded at least more than one mafia game before on the osu! forums.SPOILERNoHitter, LadySuburu, Wojjan, Lilac, Sakura, strager, Ace of Hearts, 0_o, Jinxy, pieguy1372, Kanye West, Nyquill, Two
(Alternatively, I can mod it...)
Bulletproof Jester + Cult Leader + Every other bastard role under the sunSakura wrote:
You forgot Mara
EDIT: Nevermind, a better (/s) one. Bulletproof Jester + Cult Leader + Supersaint.
Personally, if I were to rank Lilac's and NH's suggestions:
1. osu! Community PYP. It would be fun to be able to choose from the whole community, but the mod(s) would have to know quite a lot of people in the whole community very well to make good roles, I think.
2. They are Mafia. This is also nice, and it would be easier to make the roles fit.
3. Moderator's Mafia. This has the smallest scope of the 3 but also sounds fun. I guess I like games which are kinda meta. For extra fun, the role PMs should emulate the moderator's style.
4. Past, Present, Future. Also pretty meta, and it would be interesting to play a game like what 111111 could have been.
5. Songfia. I can't say I'm as interested as this compared to the others, but it would work out pretty interestingly.
Man, I'd have the most casual as hell Role PM if you get me. No joke, look at True Lovers Mafia. Dang.
I know all the old people in the community, not those newfangled people who get BATs out of nowhere and the like.
I know all the old people in the community, not those newfangled people who get BATs out of nowhere and the like.
so are we still doing 3 games at once, or should we do 2 like before
I'll be also redoing Matrix6 because apparently the 1-shot BP got into the habit of people fakeclaiming. I'm having a look at Rob13 and Amrun's suggestion (to the MS guys) into Matrix6b and there's quite a lot of flak there so I'm going to derive a new Matrix6. Probably can put that in the notes.
nvm just found it.
Since mystery mafia is over and CalignoBot is going V/LA Lilac may begin signups for matrix6 (or get skipped)
My game is still undergoing balance checks either way. I really hope it will be done by the time the next game is supposed to start; it's taking longer than I thought it would.
honestly I don't think it's a good idea to have 3 full games going at once
2 regular games and a minigame for those who died/couldn't play seemed fine but if there's 3 regular games it seems really inactive 0.0
2 regular games and a minigame for those who died/couldn't play seemed fine but if there's 3 regular games it seems really inactive 0.0
Ok then i'll leave it to a max of 2 games.
Oh gosh, it seems so soon, but I kinda want to jump into the queue before it gets back logged for a year ._.
Dunno if I should though...
Dunno if I should though...