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Why do most of the top osu players single tap?

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usa
Alternating has a much higher learning curve.
For songs that you can easily single tap, it'll become much more harder for you to alternate.
If you're practicing alternating, you're going to have to spend most of your time working on control rather than speed, and it's going to be a pain in the ass.
thelewa
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/76306?m=0#

singletapping is for gaylords
those

CXu wrote:

You can conserve energy just by switching which finger you use for singletap though.
I may be able to left click 110, but I can only right click around 95, so I'm not sure this tip applies.
MMzz
Can people just stop making these threads? Why does it matter who uses what fingers to click circles? It won't make your better, just do what you feel is comfortable.
Liut

Thatgooey wrote:

Still do not agree with tensing makes you stream faster. Tension in your arm when trying to move fingers rapidly is not good. Grandmaster piano players spend the better part of a decade learning to play while fully relaxed before they gain full control of their fingers. Tension in your fingers will cause tension in your arm, which causes tension in your shoulder, which causes tension in your back. This tension in your back will create pressure and tension in your other shoulder, which disrupts the movement of you other arm, which causes the fingers in your other hand to behave differently. The only place that tension can be controlled well is in the wrist. It is a pivot point where tension will not spread to the rest of your arm/back/shoulder. Tensing your wrist while streaming does nothing, but it does help for single tapping, since it will cause your wrist to snap back quicker. You don't want to tense the top part of your wrist. You will feel a burning sensation if you do this incorrectly. The part you want to feel the slight tension in is the under side that connects to your palm. When streaming, you use muscles that are in the forearm to move the tendons that control your fingers. There should be absolutely no tension at all in your hand at any time. Wrist only.

I am not trying to tell you your way is wrong, just that tension is a temporary and VERY short term/short lived way to increase speed. It is a bad habit that will lead to big plateaus in your game play and limit what you can do. It will also lead to injury trying to push yourself by adding more and more tension, thinking that it is the proper way to become faster. I only say these things because I want to provide information that I think could help someone. I, too, used to be a young fledgling DT player who discovered that tensing up really tight could make me play slightly faster, and I ended up getting nowhere until I received guidance and applied my own critical thinking to this. You do not have to take my advice and are free to play as you like, but I just want to let people know that if you slow down and practice fundamentals first, that you can provide yourself with the tools to improve with much higher ceilings.
that's cause while playing a piano you don't want to tense up your arm, cause it will make your hand/fingers stiff and for playing a piano you usually want to have waaay more elasticity (mainly because you are just not using 2 fingers or doing 220 bpm streams), for what i could see fast streamers don't really move their fingers really much, they just vibe them.
But, hey those are only opinions and i'm totally not an expert on this argument :?
CXu

those wrote:

CXu wrote:

You can conserve energy just by switching which finger you use for singletap though.
I may be able to left click 110, but I can only right click around 95, so I'm not sure this tip applies.
Well it totally would apply for 95bpm then :P
winber1
having relaxed arms while playing piano has nothing to do with speed or anything, it only helps the piece "breath" and stay steady. It is all for musicality. However, tensing your arms does give you an extra burst of speed, tho as previously stated, it cannot be sustained for long whereas being able to relax while streaming will give you a lot of stamina, but that's kinda self-explanatory.
2p2z
I play alternating because it helps me keeping up with the rhythm.
When I started using the keyboard I played singletapping, but I realized I couldn't get much speed with only one finger.
Plus, when you have to click a circle right after a slider, it's a lot easier if you do it with the second finger, because you wouldn't have the time to do it with the same finger you were using for the slider. Some maps have got a lot of tricks like this.
Regardless of the time you spend practising on one or two finger, it'll be up to your own aptitude. What is bad for me could be good for you and viceversa. :-)
Anyway, I don't think there is a better way to play: everyone should find the way that allows him/her to play at the best of his/her capabilities. 8-)
jesse1412

Ailis Re wrote:

I play alternating because it helps me keeping up with the rhythm.
When I started using the keyboard I played singletapping, but I realized I couldn't get much speed with only one finger.
Plus, when you have to click a circle right after a slider, it's a lot easier if you do it with the second finger, because you wouldn't have the time to do it with the same finger you were using for the slider. Some maps have got a lot of tricks like this.
Regardless of the time you spend practising on one or two finger, it'll be up to your own aptitude. What is bad for me could be good for you and viceversa. :-)
Anyway, I don't think there is a better way to play: everyone should find the way that allows him/her to play at the best of his/her capabilities. 8-)
This is what I mean by alternating players don't improve as much, they don't push themselves and most maps end up being within their comfort zones to play, but far beyond to play right.
Kaeru
You don't need to push yourself. I've alternated since the first month I've started osu! and I can see my accuracy on stream maps get much higher with every passing week. It doesn't matter if you single tap or alternate. What matters is that you stick to what you choose to do and you play often.

I find now I don't need to really pay attention to the speed of streams anymore, it just happens automatically. I sometimes get nothing but 300's on streams now without needing to pay close attention to hit circles or the "speed" of a stream. It just comes naturally over time.
astelios
I think alternating is easier.
Do streams with 1 key ... thats impossibru for me D:

PD: i want some equiations and graphics lol
winber1

Kaeru wrote:

You don't need to push yourself. I've alternated since the first month I've started osu! and I can see my accuracy on stream maps get much higher with every passing week. It doesn't matter if you single tap or alternate. What matters is that you stick to what you choose to do and you play often.

I find now I don't need to really pay attention to the speed of streams anymore, it just happens automatically. I sometimes get nothing but 300's on streams now without needing to pay close attention to hit circles or the "speed" of a stream. It just comes naturally over time.
it's not about accuracy, it about speed and stamina. generally, being able to stream at higher speeds, like at 220+BPM, will require you to push yourself to your limits, rather than just comfortably playing 180BPM maps all day, even if they are streamy
Kaeru

winber1 wrote:

it's not about accuracy, it about speed and stamina. generally, being able to stream at higher speeds, like at 220+BPM, will require you to push yourself to your limits, rather than just comfortably playing 180BPM maps all day, even if they are streamy
True but I just don't get the big rush everyone seems to be in. It's like everyone wants to be able to FC those maps right away. As long as you play them often and don't avoid them, you will get better at them.
nrl

Liut wrote:

that's cause while playing a piano you don't want to tense up your arm, cause it will make your hand/fingers stiff and for playing a piano you usually want to have waaay more elasticity (mainly because you are just not using 2 fingers or doing 220 bpm streams), for what i could see fast streamers don't really move their fingers really much, they just vibe them.
But, hey those are only opinions and i'm totally not an expert on this argument :?
If you stream by rotating your forearm then tensing might help, but not at all if you stream with your fingers.
Victoire
I play alternating, and my personal biggest problem is any relatively fast streaming. There's plenty of beatmaps I can play well on, but can't for the life of me stream fast enough for to get any respectable scores on.

Someone who singletaps and can play those beatmaps fine can probably also stream them, seeing as at least one of their fingers can go fast enough for it, and the other can probably go at least almost as fast. So for single-tappers streaming comes (relatively) easier, but for alternators, anything but streaming is easier.
JAKACHAN
Because we are insecure.
Dexus
Single tapping uses the wrist and is connected to the tendon in your forearm. The muscles in your forearm are used to stream. Single tapping correctly can actually help increase your streaming speed and stamina because the muscles in the forearm are being used.
NixXSkate

MillhioreF wrote:

and also makes snapping easier for some reason.
lies! people that have alternating down pat snap better than people that singletap (at least with mouse anyway).

i don't alternate because i think it's not fun, and i'm too lazy to learn something that isn't fun.
primrose
More accurate
2p2z

jesus1412 wrote:

Ailis Re wrote:

I play alternating because it helps me keeping up with the rhythm.
When I started using the keyboard I played singletapping, but I realized I couldn't get much speed with only one finger.
Plus, when you have to click a circle right after a slider, it's a lot easier if you do it with the second finger, because you wouldn't have the time to do it with the same finger you were using for the slider. Some maps have got a lot of tricks like this.
Regardless of the time you spend practising on one or two finger, it'll be up to your own aptitude. What is bad for me could be good for you and viceversa. :-)
Anyway, I don't think there is a better way to play: everyone should find the way that allows him/her to play at the best of his/her capabilities. 8-)
This is what I mean by alternating players don't improve as much, they don't push themselves and most maps end up being within their comfort zones to play, but far beyond to play right.
Actually I had to push myself a lot to increase my speed, I assure you. XD and before that I had to struggle a lot to coordinate my fingers too, because I don't like to click mindlessly (it's not fun and gives me no satisfaction).
In my opinion you could improve much in both ways (alternating and singletapping) if you work hard.
But as many people said that singletapping makes you go faster, I'll definitely try it someday! But right now I still need my tendons. :P

NixXSkate wrote:

i don't alternate because i think it's not fun, and i'm too lazy to learn something that isn't fun.
Well, I'm totally the opposite: I get bored tapping with only one finger and I enjoy the rhythm when I alternate. XD
I guess it's up to everyone's skills and preferences afterall.
GenoClysm
I alternate almost 100% of the time, but let me tell you, it's kind of tricky to hit the medium between streams and flat out regular notes. it's easier to work with a single key than two, though theres not much difference in my scoring either way. I think alternating should be practiced though.
Knarf

Ailis Re wrote:

Well, I'm totally the opposite: I get bored tapping with only one finger and I enjoy the rhythm when I alternate. XD
I guess it's up to everyone's skills and preferences afterall.
Agree! I alternate and enjoy the rhythm, but it is probably the reason I cannot play stream well...
ryza
I consider myself pretty decent at 2key, I used to play strictly 2key above 210~bpm as well

too bad 1key is superior lol
nrl

NixXSkate wrote:

people that have alternating down pat snap better than people that singletap (at least with mouse anyway).
Do you have any proof of this at all? The way I see it, at worst it's exactly the opposite of what you're claiming because singletapping allows every snap to consist of a single set of motions, and at best it doesn't matter because you don't snap with your keyboard hand either way. I can't think of a single reason why alternating would improve snapping, and it's definitely the exact opposite for me personally.
ryza

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

Do you have any proof of this at all? The way I see it, at worst it's exactly the opposite of what you're claiming because singletapping allows every snap to consist of a single set of motions, and at best it doesn't matter because you don't snap with your keyboard hand either way. I can't think of a single reason why alternating would improve snapping, and it's definitely the exact opposite for me personally.
Alternating can improve snapping in a way, especially if you think of every map as just sets of lines between two notes

say there's a square -- you don't think of it as a square, though, you think of it as two sets of lines

in this case, if you alternate it, you're hitting k1+k2 on one line, then k1+k2 on another line (so you're going from point 1 to point 2 on the screen AND on the keyboard)

this is also the case in pretty much any other pattern, but you have to be reading the map in a very specific way, so it's hard to do completely correctly.

for me, when I alternate, I just run around in circles and usually hit things like that
nrl
Ah, but that ignores the distance between those "lines," which consist of an entire second set of lines - you have to make three cursor movements to navigate a square pattern with four points. For me, alternating introduces a continuity from one note to the next that prevents me from differentiating the movements necessary to reach them, and the result is that I...

Silynn wrote:

just run around in circles and usually hit things like that
If you can do it then that's great, but it's the opposite of snapping. Single tapping allows me to differentiate the movements required to reach each note much more easily because I'm seeing them as isolated movements rather than a path to follow. The result is that I can snap much more easily. But to each their own.
RaneFire

Silynn wrote:

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

.....The way I see it, at worst it's exactly the opposite of what you're claiming because singletapping allows every snap to consist of a single set of motions......
.....in this case, if you alternate it, you're hitting k1+k2 on one line, then k1+k2 on another line (so you're going from point 1 to point 2 on the screen AND on the keyboard).....
True alternaters don't care about k1 or k2. They just play and their fingers do the work just as though they were only thinking about single-tapping. Snapping is actually irrelevant.

The process of learning either "single-tapping" or "alternating" is actually the important part here. Not the finished product of each measured against each other, because they require different practice methods and length of time to learn. And by learn... all I mean is increase your speed, while maintaining good accuracy.

Yes songs can get confusing while alternating, but only if you stretch your speed limits. The reason for this is because the fingers fail to keep up and all sense of rhythm is lost, because you don't have a "main finger" to return to and start over, which is more destructive when alternating than it is with single-tapping. With single-tapping you start on the same finger every time and confusion caused by trying to exceed your limits is reduced dramatically, and you can technically play above your limits.

Single-tapping can allow you to train to become faster, in less time. That's why single-tappers are the most accurate and fastest, but only through the course of practice. Alternating can also be just as fast and accurate, but it is long-term because practicing stretching your limits is the most difficult task, not just the act of alternating.
AlexSant
If you use the auto mod it will use single tapping, but sometimes it will use the other button, I think it's for quick notes.
I think you should train your alternate tap in Taiko, so you don't have to worry about the cursor, but it doesn't has any big difference in single or alternate , use what you like. :D
Wishy
I'll make it simple for you.

Don't fucking alternate, do single tap and start thinking about alternating for maps which require very fast single tapping (280 BPM+), there are many issues with full alternating when you are not super good, and rather than explaining them all for you to not understand them (because truth is you will get it when it happens) I'll just tell you that you are gonna face a lot of random problems that will end up with you getting bored of the game because some reasons (when trying to be good).
CXu
And our wise Wishy saves the day!

On another note, I play however I feel like; some days I alternate, other days I singletap, and often I'll switch between them while playing because it's fun.
I generally suck at alternating though, but if you find it fun, then just keep at it; I mean, you'll get better eventually anyway.
-Soba-
because most people suck at alternating
iantanye
If you don't alternate all the time you are objectively playing this game wrong. I am qualified to say this because.
-Soba-

iantanye wrote:

If you don't alternate all the time you are objectively playing this game wrong. I am qualified to say this because.
winber1

iantanye wrote:

If you don't alternate all the time you are objectively playing this game wrong. I am qualified to say this because.
flawless argument.

master, i bow down to you OTZ

i will now alternate because of this statement
-Soba-

winber1 wrote:

iantanye wrote:

If you don't alternate all the time you are objectively playing this game wrong. I am qualified to say this because.
flawless argument.

master, i bow down to you OTZ

i will now alternate because of this statement
maybe you'll finally be decent at this game
CXu
2key is bestest.

The video lags and sucks ass, because I did it fairly quickly. You'll probably cringe with the lag, glhf.
MostDakka
I alternate since I started playing osu because I never thought you can single tap. Alternating was always so natural to me. I got used to it now and i have no reason to change my style anymore.
Gigo
I use alternating and my alternating is absolute. That means that I alternate every single note. Single tapping generally gives me more accuracy, but for me, there is one big problem when I single tap. The problem comes on high ar maps. When there is a sudden triple, most people would zxz it (or xzx, doesn't matter). But up to this point I have been single tapping and I can't press the second circle fast enough with my other finger and I get a miss. That happens almost every time. When I alternate I don't have this problem, simply because I switch fingers on every note anyway, so even if there is a sudden triple (or small stream), I can do it with no problem.

In the end I'll say this - stick with whatever method is most comfortable for you, learn it well and you shouldn't have problems.

EDIT: Yeah, sorry about the late post, but I just saw this thread and wanted to share my opinion on the topic, without having to create another thread. Again, sorry!
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FoxSilver
^ a bit late at posting there ~_~
[SilknoHearto]
i shall learn singletap. NOW.
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