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whymeman
Well, I ALMOST finished that Ghost Ship except for the fact I had one miscalculation that took out the whole ship...... ( ; - _-)

I'll look into crafting some other exploration goodies.
Aistify
Suggestions
Plugins
I think http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/mychunk/ is better than using factions for protection and why not add http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/mcmmo/ for a bit of RPG on the server since some people like RPG :P
Advertising
Right now I only found out about this server was from another player. I think you should use websites like http://www.planetminecraft.com/, http://minecraftservers.net/ and http://topg.org/ to let others know that this server exists
Information about the server
From reading the first post I do not know if this is a survival or creative server and if PvP is enabled or legal. You should also state the rules somewhere and explain them with great detail because there are noobs out there who think griefing is legal and there are exploiters who find loopholes in the rules and abuse them. You should also have Ban appeals and Ban requests somewhere so people can lift their bans if they were banned for dumb reasons and people can ban others for doing illegal things while staff members are off.
Azure_Kite
This is a private Serve for osu! Players only. That means this server is obviously not going to be in a public Minecraft Server listing.

Secondly, we don't need extra mods. The last map went to hell because people wanted too much. If players are banned they can always appeal to one of the Minecraft Server admins within osu!.
Mara
Fuck mods. Seriously.
OnosakiHito
I'm coming.
Stefan
No idea where to register on Mineshafter. My old account seems not to work so I have to register new.
Kert
Use mineshaftersquared, not mineshafter
Stefan
I acutally meant that, kind of habit to call it Mineshafter. However I only can find the option to log in but not to register.
Kert
You need to login there with your minecraft.net account
winber1
that awkward moment when u update.

how do i revert it again?

or do i just need the 1.5.1 minecraft jar file?

nvm
VIDgamefrk9
the server needs to be updated to the newest version
Topic Starter
Ephemeral
waiting for a more stable dev build
DutchAngel
As a alternative solution (while waiting for the more stable dev build) you could download the 1.5.1 minecraft jar-file.
When you replace the one in your User/AppData/Roaming/.minecraft/bin folder with this jar, you can just get on the server again.

One way to get the this jar-file is downloading it from this site: http://mojang.com/2013/03/minecraft-1-5-1-pre-release/
Blue Stig


Posting here because interesting.

Yeah I gotta play on the osu! server more...
Omio9999
@ Stig: Are you the one with the glass front underwater? If so, you're lucky I got lazy about claiming and looting your turf out of inactivity. =P

EDIT: Also, IRC integration seems to be lagging the MC server the most, Web Chat causes my browser to hang.
VIDgamefrk9

DutchAngel wrote:

As a alternative solution (while waiting for the more stable dev build) you could download the 1.5.1 minecraft jar-file.
When you replace the one in your User/AppData/Roaming/.minecraft/bin folder with this jar, you can just get on the server again.

One way to get the this jar-file is downloading it from this site: http://mojang.com/2013/03/minecraft-1-5-1-pre-release/
I have both jar files, it would be nice to have the servers I play on to have the same jar file because most of the servers I play on have already switched.
PS I use magic launcher
dkun
server has been updated to 1.5.2.

thanks ephemeral!
Blue Stig

omio9999 wrote:

@ Stig: Are you the one with the glass front underwater? If so, you're lucky I got lazy about claiming and looting your turf out of inactivity. =P

EDIT: Also, IRC integration seems to be lagging the MC server the most, Web Chat causes my browser to hang.
Feel free to loot away. There's nothing there that can't be replaced.
I probably should check up on Marawind as well while I'm at it.
Aaronite
i think its a good video :P
gg
OnosakiHito


Oh, I missed this morning. Kert, jinx. Waiting for you guys. Haha
(Though, you waited far longer for me)
whymeman
Went ahead and started a small project from the SafeZone. You may have already noticed the two bridges that branch off from that island already, but I've just started on the West Bridge path as well to make it easier for migrating (seeing due to the fact it's hard to tell there's land when there's nothing but water for a mile or 2 with no boat while most migrated East). Of course, it's only going to make it *slightly* easier to travel since the SafeZone area will be limited at the West Bridge compared to the other two.



Note: West Path isn't complete yet.
Jinxy

OnosakiHito wrote:



Oh, I missed this morning. Kert, jinx. Waiting for you guys. Haha
(Though, you waited far longer for me)
I quit after building a huge impenetrable base a few thousand fucking blocks out of spawn and realised I wasn't in any danger in the first place

Having factions in a server that has had like 1 true faction fight since it's creation is a bleh idea. Instead, it also allowed TNTing bases when people were offline which isn't particularly fun for the victim. Faction fights aren't too nice when you lose (source: me), but at least it had some engagement, which this server lacked when I was playing it.

Of course, please do state if a large faction fight has happened when I was away, I'm curious if anyone even dared to do that
OnosakiHito
Kert told me about it. It's a pitty what happened and I must agree to that.
Though, I don't care because is is boring anyway. No player online, maybe max. 3. But we know that from the past.

No chance to make once an advertising in osu? Or does ppy disallow even that? /swt
Well, makes me to buy the game for real servers. :p
Topic Starter
Ephemeral
i am tempted to revamp the server with the latest tekkit/ftb build in a domed, finite area with a maximum of 3 factions to promote conflict
whymeman
Oh? Would there be any extra features as well?
Cyclohexane
wouldn't that be incredibly noob-unfriendly?

especially with ftb and how involved it can get
whymeman
Well, it wouldn't be that bad I think. Besides, it wouldn't hurt to try something new at this point.
Jinxy
Sounds interesting, but there's definitely need for a few "teachers" per faction who are very experienced with the modpack, or at least some parts of it. Modpacks are ridiculously heavy on information, and the wikis were lacking when I last tried a little ftb.
13Kenzy
More mods = more lag on my case of playing Minecraft on my 7-year old laptop -.-
winber1
I should probably play more.

but i'm also stranded with horrible internet in china
13Kenzy
I just created a faction (CrazyLoop) and made a home, all alone, but WMM (whymeman) taught me how to create a faction. So I did...

The server sorta goes silent from 10:00 - 23:00 GMT +8, which is the time I play on that server.
It'd be great if more and more players can play in the server because I have played alone for 2 days (excluding today, a good 6 players were playing, including me).

Nevermind the request for Diamonds, lol
whymeman


Another snapshot vid for upcoming features.

Also, i'm starting to take notice of the "ghosting" through blocks using /f home. It's causing some unwanted teleportation deaths and item loss.
13Kenzy
I accidentally /f home while Diamond Mining and it just poofed me into someplace where I cannot see and start losing like 2 hearts per second. It then says "You Died" with my name "13Kenzy suffocated in a wall" which cost me 27 levels and most of my items being lost. From then on, I won't /f home no more unless this bug gets whacked by the bugfix hammer
dkun

13Kenzy wrote:

I accidentally /f home while Diamond Mining and it just poofed me into someplace where I cannot see and start losing like 2 hearts per second. It then says "You Died" with my name "13Kenzy suffocated in a wall" which cost me 27 levels and most of my items being lost. From then on, I won't /f home no more unless this bug gets whacked by the bugfix hammer
Create a 3x3x3 box where your /f home location is. If this happens to you, you load in the home location, just in the ground/ceiling/wall, therefore suffocating. It's similar to having gravel falling on you while mining.
13Kenzy

dkun wrote:

13Kenzy wrote:

I accidentally /f home while Diamond Mining and it just poofed me into someplace where I cannot see and start losing like 2 hearts per second. It then says "You Died" with my name "13Kenzy suffocated in a wall" which cost me 27 levels and most of my items being lost. From then on, I won't /f home no more unless this bug gets whacked by the bugfix hammer
Create a 3x3x3 box where your /f home location is. If this happens to you, you load in the home location, just in the ground/ceiling/wall, therefore suffocating. It's similar to having gravel falling on you while mining.
Ah. Will do!

I quit /f home because I sorta got pissed when I lost alot of skelly bones, string, etc.

Plus, I got assassinated by Skellies a lot. :(

Worse, I got killed by direct blow from a Creeper (i had 5 hearts left, full Iron armor)
I almost ragequitted because it was far away from my home and I lost my Diamond Pickaxe that was enchanted with Unbreaking III, Fortune III and Efficiency IV :x

I change my title in the faction to Paladin just for the heck of having a title that represents a Holy Warrior :D
13Kenzy
Here's my shitty Sky Castle (small-scale too)
whymeman
I think i'll push more into the custom map I was making for future use till its ready. If there's an option and thought of FTB being added in, it would be handy especially if econ is added with the setup i'm doing.

For now, i'm learning how to use MCEdit to make that easier to create while to explore in certain areas for the fun of it.
dkun
As Mojang is nearing its full merge to Mojang accounts, it's advised to merge your premium (if you have one) account to a Mojang account by logging in to minecraft.net.

This also means for people that are holding non-premium usernames, will end up losing their rights to that name if they don't upgrade to a paid account in due time, which will render Mineshafter useless (?).

Need to come up with a new alternative for authentication in the near future.
13Kenzy
.... this sucks... even using Minecraft Smart Launcher (which just need a username and you're ready to play) with the exact same username input won't work ;( I wish my parents would allow me to buy a game for just $27
whymeman
It's getting there.....



3 days of land clearing done in 15 minutes.
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Edit: Had more time to work on it so I added two more buildings, extended water tower, connected the powerlines, etc. Still need to extend underground sewers...

Sister Jude
undermine şu anda bu konuda
cat2006house
Hi Ephemeral,
I have a small request for you. I think what Osu!craft is lack of is teleporting to other players or specific locations (this will be harder). Can you add a new mod for teleporting to other players? I don't want to spend too much time just for travelling to my friends' factions. That would be not fun and time-consuming, plus the fierce attacks from mobs. You don't know how many times I died because of travelling at night. :o
Nazo_old
Ughhhhhhhhh

It's hard to try and start out...

I mean, really, I accidentally fell somewhere and my death point was 2000+ fucking meters away

I starved like 3/4 of the way there, AND A NINJA CREEPER GUARANTEED MY DEATH.

...Ughhhhhhhhhhhh (again).
whymeman


Added a South Path in the SafeZone for the fun of it, though it's underground this time.

Also, hi Nazo o/

Also, another snapshot to peek at.

Flanster
MMMMMMM? *kills villager*
Imagine UHC in osu!craft....so many deahts.
Jinxy
A UHC side-server would be pretty sweet, if it was the battle-it-out type. Played a short one and it was fun as heck. Question is if there are enough PVP lovers on osu.
Kert
I'd play that
Not sure about how laggy it would be though
Flanster
Decided to scrap where I live and start something new, not bad for a night's work.
whymeman
Build 1.6.1 is now available to download, but seems to use a much more different structure this time since we actually have to manually download it. Also, please bare in mind the server updates are not instantaneous to when each update is released. Plugins also need to have updates first before doing so, otherwise, things will break, and bad things can happen. Also, updating too soon will cause you to be"locked out" of the server till up to date so remember that as well.

Extra Note: Oh, and word of warning, if you're one of those who has like over 10 plugins/mods in their Minecraft.jar and such, be ready for a headache to update and patch them for usual reasons.
DutchAngel
If someone doesn't like the maze i built or the place i built it at, he/she can just tell me or leave a sign. :oops:
Then i would have taken it down myself.

There is no need in destroying it, because i could have re-used the leaves. ;)

I'm posting it here, because it doesnt look like lightning does this damage.

whymeman
Had some jackasses hijacking the server last night with some logbot crap. Found the main griefer destroying things and banned the logged account names. osu! names were also removed for it as well. The lava pillars on the houses took long enough as it is to clean up.
dkun
Going to leave this as a stringent note for anyone who wants to screw around on osu!craft. Griefing/hacking will result in the removal of your access from the server, and possibly a hardline osu! ban.

All in all, please just don't do it.
whymeman
Also, if anyone suffered serious damage from the incident (homes lost and such), send me a forum PM and i'll help looking into the reconstruction and restoration. I'll still be around often to look into it but let me know when you can be on as well.
walao
Looks cool, might join sometime later. The server is up to date atm though right?
whymeman

toloveruu wrote:

Looks cool, might join sometime later. The server is up to date atm though right?
Normally, yes. It keeps up with the speed the bukkit builds (and plugins) come out.
ZlofZ
Not sure if I should post this here but I'll do it anyway.
Suddenly I can't connect to the server even though I've been on before.
Minecraft tells me to link accounts but I've already done that, also I tried "relinking", writing my username again in the link box but nothing ;_;
whymeman
I guess the user authorization thing is broken again.... :o We'll have it checked out.
BeatMaster007
Still not working as of this post time (account needs to be linked error)
DarkStoorM
I just hope that my stuff didn't suffer at all... anyway, any news on the linking error?
BeatMaster007
Just asking for an ETA as to when the minecraft server / osu!Auth thing will be back up and operational again... that or you will first upgrade it to 1.6.2 or w/e comes out...?

Not to pester you guys or anything like that, just that its been 5 days since it became inaccessible
whymeman
Sorry about the delay. The server is back up and verification is now fixed (thanks again for checking into it Eph).
Topic Starter
Ephemeral
also upgraded to 1.6.2 and added mcname <name> commands that will get you the minecraft username of any online player
13Kenzy
As of today, July 11 2013, 20:57 PM, i spotted this:

It must be those darned griefers who made their way in and severely damaged my home. My garden is also damaged with stepped-on plots and missing fences
Omio9999
If the mods want to copy this into a new thread just for Mineshafter peeps, I'd recommend it.

For those of you that are having trouble with installed mods [I'm looking at you, people with Mineshafter Squared], here's a bit of info:

Ever since the new launcher from Mojang, mods are auto-reverted due to minecraft checking the sha5 of a file with the official images, and installing fresh resources [thus making you lose anything you've tweaked].

To stop the new launcher from doing this:

Open the '.minecraft' folder [ %appdata% -> .minecraft ]
Open the 'versions' folder
Open up the version you want to play [should be server version]
Open up the jar file with 7-zip or whatever, LEAVE IT OPEN.
Start Minecraft up with the compression tool above still open.
yumea
Since I use MineshafterSquared, I would like to ask something...

Is this the end for people who use Mineshafter?
Now that the server's 1.6.2, people that use Mineshafter can't go on now.
(Because of the new launcher. Also tried force updating, but that obviously didn't work.)

Which leads me to the question/ main point in this post
Anyone know a way to use 1.6.2 with Mineshafter? Just asking, but I doubt that there's a way for that but if there's one... Tell me.

EDIT: I now know that there's a Mineshafter with 1.6.2. Though I think it's in progress...
Flanster

13Kenzy wrote:

As of today, July 11 2013, 20:57 PM, i spotted this:

It must be those darned griefers who made their way in and severely damaged my home. My garden is also damaged with stepped-on plots and missing fences
Bummer... careful where you build your stuff.
13Kenzy

LoliFlan wrote:

13Kenzy wrote:

As of today, July 11 2013, 20:57 PM, i spotted this:

It must be those darned griefers who made their way in and severely damaged my home. My garden is also damaged with stepped-on plots and missing fences
Bummer... careful where you build your stuff.
The house being near the road is one of the problems, but the group of griefers who entered this server and started griefing homes (i heard that happen about a week ago) with the main griefer probably damaging not only my house, but others... I can request a repair to the roofing as it costs heck loads of wood but I can repair the walls without a problem...
whymeman

whymeman wrote:

Also, if anyone suffered serious damage from the incident (homes lost and such), send me a forum PM and i'll help looking into the reconstruction and restoration. I'll still be around often to look into it but let me know when you can be on as well.
Posted that from the previous page. Also, i'm kinda stuck again trying to figure out the "mod friendly" update that Mojang Royally screwed over to get the mods running and my edited default GUI textures back.

Oh screw it.... they friggin "jailed" the files through auto-verification now. So anything that doesn't match with the database gets wiped or reset. Editing the texture files didn't help either since they are forced defaulted. Also, minecraft.jar doesn't exist anymore so no point in working with it after the 1.6 update. Honestly, it's pretty stupid being forced to use the tex-.... I mean resource packs just to get a SMALL skin edit. I never heard of such a silly thing. And I'm not seeing anything "Mod Friendly" with the current build either for the fact they are force-reloading files to prevent the Mineshafter from working, but also hurting those that have legit copies.
Lizzehb
So I posted my username in the thing to get on the server and it still won't let me on. :(
whymeman
After another painful 4 hours of research, I found a *decent* solution that worked with installing mods. Though, I had issues with 1.5.2...

Jinxy
Looks like the same method to me except for the multiple jars, though I use MultiMC myself which would really have made all that easier. Did you remove META-INF?
whymeman
That's a must when doing the mod(s). But, you don't want to use the main version files the launcher checks on (i.e. 1.6.2 folder with the files inside it). You'll end up with a setup like this...



Note the files that don't have "custom" added to it are the original which you shouldn't bother with editing since it gets reverted. The only other problem is to get the mods to work since some of them will load a bit blochy, halfway, or not at all. Also as a warning, you may have compatibility + launching issues trying to use the mods in versions before 1.6

Edit: Managed to load Minimap without Modloader. But that's all i'm trying for 1.5.2
13Kenzy
Something is going on with this server... Since late morning (around 10: 45 UTC +8), it kicked me out with that Internal Exception: Java.net.SocketException: Connection reset by peer.

And even right now at 19:13 UTC +8, it says the same "Internal Exception: Java.net.SocketException:" but this time it's all "Connection reset."
It cannot be my internet because I can play on another Minecraft server perfectly without any lags nor disconnections.... Something's up....
whymeman
Well, I found out why my sound breaks.....

OnosakiHito

Well, time to recover my island.
Thank you for your support whymeman!
whymeman
You're welcome Ono ( o 3o)

Also found out I could load Rei's Minimap and TMI without using Modloader. It seems there may be a chance a Modloader was coded in for the current launcher build as using the Modloader mod itself actually broke stuff in a horrible way.
Jinxy
Use Forge instead, it seems to be better/less broken, and has its own modloader inside.
OnosakiHito

Done for now~
OnosakiHito

Someone really dosen't like me.
But this person didn't know that everything is save now. lol
whymeman
I heard someone came into the server a few days ago to troll. But failed and got killed :~u

Also, i've been getting some INTENSE lag from Multiplayer. Not sure if its the build or Mojang's DB is crapping out again as usual.
winber1

whymeman wrote:

I heard someone came into the server a few days ago to troll. But failed and got killed :~u

Also, i've been getting some INTENSE lag from Multiplayer. Not sure if its the build or Mojang's DB is crapping out again as usual.
Yea, i'm getting it too.

On another note. I need to stop taking like 3 week breaks from this server or else I keep getting kicked out of the faction >_>
Some reason I can only play minecraft in short bursts of time otherwise I get bored. It's not really helping my cause though..lol
OnosakiHito
I really think we should make the server more interesting. Adding mods isn't that hard at all.
And right now there are just PLENTY of players in. It's just for fun, but having some more people and features wouldn't hurt at all... as winber said, after some hours it becomes boring, especially because everyone is spreaded around. meh

My house got destroyed, okay, but this was an live up for me, which leaded to a mending of my island!
I would have some ideas how live up things, but the question is if there would be made any changes anyway?
Since we are few people, we could at least shape it for out taste. Maybe people like it as well after that change.

whymeman, what do you think about this?
whymeman
Hmm... It would be nice actually. Most people that appear on only thinks osu!craft is only about mining and building stuff (and being a jerk griefing for no reason). Having some stuff to keep it interesting would be cool. The only question is what.

Though i've been thinking on the custom map option for some time, but not sure if it would be accepted or not. I'll have to use a new map for it since the project started around 1.4's
DarkStoorM
So, the Mineshafter got updated, so I tried to get in, to check if my "base" still exists.
Of course I'm still getting "Failed to verify username" error. Maybe it still needs an update, dunno.

Damn it :V
Kert
Taken from mineshaftersquared homepage:
Lilia
I think you should update the server for allowing cracked versions (installing a plugin for password though) because I was told on a tutorial for Minshafter Square that all servers were shut down, meaning that we can't get to the server anymore

if you read this, pls find a solution, since I found #minecraft I want to go in the server so much ;-;

The Mykonian
Lizzehb
Still can't get on the server. I entered my name into the thing.....forever ago. Can someone actually respond please?
Lilia
mineshafter's servers are down apparently

found 2 players speaking french and insulting everyone in the server, here they are
raphael59360, Mattdu50
with raphael laughing at my username...
whymeman
If there's any serious trouble going on in the server, just send me a forum PM.
13Kenzy
Thanks to the no "passthrough" thing, I have been inactive on the server for over 2 MONTHS!!!! I certainly hope my permanent faction is still there guarding my home and the Diamonds in it...
OnosakiHito
I have to thank the one who is attacking me permanently.
#1 Attack was really beneficial for me, since I rebuild my whole house and now it looks much better.
http://puu.sh/3DG2J.jpg -> http://puu.sh/4i8Gs.jpg
#2 Attack made me more careful in some aspects.
#3 Attack gave me now my own monster farm:

So yeah, thumbs up stupid.
whymeman
So, I just got home, found two emails of wide spread damages [and here too] happening from a griefer. Wasn't too happy about it and explored around a bit. Had to do some repairs to the road due to the man-made damages caused and saw [sadly] that MikuMiku got wrecked even though the faction still exists. After taking a look around, it came to me that someone obviously used fly hacks along with other cheats to cause such destruction in a short time. I'll have the matter checked out, but if you're missing any stuff, please let me know.
OnosakiHito
Oh, uh. That's pretty bad. Well, I'm still the opinion that we need some more features here.
Not only on player site but also on admin.
whymeman
Event logs would help a lot in times like this, but since I don't own the server itself, I can't access them personally. So, having some mods would help indeed but just hope they don't conflict or lag the server and its plugins.
OnosakiHito
So, I heard there will be a server update soon.

How about using this update for adding new mods and features?
We could talk about what we could add to the server after it gets updated.

E.g. I would like to have the dynamic map back. This was a great feature and I do miss it a lot.
Also, having additional mods like Mo’ Creatures or PIXELMON would be also cool.

It is every time the same, so having some new stuff would be cool.
Any other opinions or ideas?
Jinxy
Dynamic Map + Factions (specifically the TNT damaging protected land) is just asking for trouble
OnosakiHito
Well, then PVP should be disabled.

Nearly no one wants to fight, everyone builds 10.000 blocks away from the spawn since they are afraid. And those who got attacked are stressed and even report users.
Due to this I doubt that we even need PvP. Just my opinion about current situation.
whymeman
Well, I doubt the server can be PvP Free for one. Having Dynamap usually drawn in trouble due to griefers who use it to strike. Best to get rei's mini map when available and load it into your current version of minecraft in a custom profile.

As for the extra stuff, that would be interesting, but I just hope it doesn't conflict with other plugins and such. Also, that's up to Eph on that one if it can be added or not.
Jinxy
I don't go into the server, do people actively attack others now?

But anyway, I'm not talking about people using dynmap to attack others, but attacking claimed land and factions themselves, which can be done with TNT.

Another idea is toggleable PvP, where those who enable it can fight others, and those who don't care for it can just set theirs to off. I actually do like a little PvP to spice up playing with others. Pretty sure there should be a plugin like that, I played in such a server years ago.

Also, as long as factions/towns/plots or whatever are made invulnerable and applied from the map's start (unlike previous where Valhalla got unprotected when towny>griefprev), I don't see the harm of dynmap. Sure, griefers could still destroy unprotected land but they still totally can now.

EDIT: Thinking about it, I have some thoughts about how this server is right now, and some suggestions for its future. It's just my opinion, so you don't have to agree or disagree. You can even disregard it, since honestly, I don't go in the server much.

My 2c and suggestions
As a guy who watches letsplayers pretty often, I've thought that MC servers could be generalised into a few types: Enforced-Order, Trust-Order, and Anarchy. Enforced-Order would kinda be like hardcore grief-prevention plugins like foolproof area protection, LogBlock, etc to ensure that people's things are protected. Trust-Order is basically a vanilla server, but a tightly-knit community (whitelisted, etc) ensures that everyone is friendly with each other and nobody actively griefs someone else. Anarchy is... well, anarchy. Do whatever the fuck you want to.

Most players here would prefer the Order side of things, as far as I can tell. Obviously, osu is nowhere near small enough to be a true tight-knit community, which means players want some sort of plugin, etc to help protection. I've never really understood the choice of Factions as an area-protecting plugin, when it's obviously not meant to be so. Claims can be taken over via death or removed due to inactivity, or completely skipped if someone has a large-enough supply of TNT. This is supposed to promote user interaction and some anarchy iirc, but the problem is no one wants to interact like that. So as a result, Factions is being exploited by griefers instead.

1.7's coming up, and the massive biome changes will probably necessitate a new map when it's released. My suggestion is that an alternative claiming plugin is used, similar to Towny or GriefPrev or something, idk. The plugin's claims would not be able to be taken over nor destroyed. For decay, it might be better to just leave inactive claims alone unless it's an area close to spawn and someone else would like to build there.

As for PvP, like I said, some people might like having it since it gives another thing for them to do. I myself like some PvP, since it can be deeper than just spamming, with the right equipment. A nice compromise would simply be a personal PvP toggle and also some method to see who else has their PvP toggled. Small rewards could be given to winners, like maybe the player head or something to hang up in homes. If Dynmap was enabled, people should be able to hide themselves from the map too, if they don't want to be disturbed or are trying for an ambush. It also makes PvP more interesting if both the attacker and defender are hiding.

For griefing of unprotected land, there's no way to actually prevent that, unless some chunk-restore plugin is used or something, which doesn't revert ores, for obvious reasons.


Of course, there's a completely different idea. I remember Eph talking about an idea of a limited map, and limited factions. Important resources will decrease over time, and players can either resort to using renewable resources, or use an economy possibly based on fighting and exploring outside of the faction. Factions can fight to expand, but each faction will always have an unconquerable "capital" as a safezone for those who aren't interested in fighting. Limited factions and safezones would definitely increase interaction between players, if that's the target of the server.
Flanster
Can anyone give me a hand with this new update?
Since I was running on Mineshafter Squared things now are a bit different than before..

I should've left money in my credit card so I can buy the original.
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