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Stacking the Deck - (Game Over - Town Win)

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Raging Bull
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It's very stupid for scum to claim vigilante because of how there WILL BE 2 NKs if the vigilante keep saying he will shoot. The only thing is if mafia kills the same person as me, but that is really stupid since that gives town even more of an advantage by having 1 less death.

And I'm also suspicious of NH too, but I feel like him not defending himself as much is giving me a town read on him. Mafia would probably keep doing their best to try to get votes off him.
pieguyn
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IMO, what NH did is better than just leaving us all sitting here in the dark. Even if it doesn't seem like it now, I'm sure all the information (reactions, posting habits etc.) we got D1 could prove to be even more useful in the future.

Also, keep in mind that at least two of the claimed PRs will be confirmed (BRBP cause he's a mason and RB because if we'll have 2 NK's tonight he's telling the truth), so the only possible liar is fartownik (and me, but I know I'm town). Either way, I think it'd be best for information's sake to assume all the claimed PRs are town.
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Moderator's Notes: Less than 19 hours remain.
Vote Count 1.11

NoHitter (4) - Irreversible, BRBP, Tanzklaue, rEdo
pieguy1372 (1) - Haneii
DakeDekaane (1) - pieguy1372
rEdo (1) - NoHitter

Not Voting (6) - Jinxy, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Raging Bull, fartownik

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Raging Bull
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If nohitter is town, shooting rEdo

if nohitter is scum, shooting Jinxy.

I'm a bad vigilante, just saying. Unless you guys have a better target.
pieguyn
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wait, so NH dying is part of the plan? Sorry, I must have overlooked where you all agreed on that ><
Raging Bull
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No but looks like no one wants to unvote
pieguyn
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mod: if no hammer is reached, is it a majority lynch or a no-lynch?
if it's a no-lynch, unvote & vote: NH to get the game moving
Sakura
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pieguy1372 wrote:

mod: if no hammer is reached, is it a majority lynch or a no-lynch?
if it's a no-lynch, unvote & vote: NH to get the game moving
It is stated in the rules that if deadline is reached and no majority was reached then no-lynch will happen, to lynch, someone must be hammered before the deadline.
Jinxy
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Wait what

man you should bold that stuff

Well, I don't really think anyone else is going to get suggested for lynch considering the short time left, but before that,

Raging Bull wrote:

if nohitter is scum, shooting Jinxy.
Could you explain your reasoning for this?
Raging Bull
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Because somehow I feel like you guys can be working together since you also went along with the plan.
pieguyn
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Sakura wrote:

pieguy1372 wrote:

mod: if no hammer is reached, is it a majority lynch or a no-lynch?
if it's a no-lynch, unvote & vote: NH to get the game moving
It is stated in the rules that if deadline is reached and no majority was reached then no-lynch will happen, to lynch, someone must be hammered before the deadline.
oh, sorry ><
vote: NH
Rantai
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Raging Bull wrote:

It's very stupid for scum to claim vigilante because of how there WILL BE 2 NKs if the vigilante keep saying he will shoot. The only thing is if mafia kills the same person as me, but that is really stupid since that gives town even more of an advantage by having 1 less death.

Raging Bull wrote:

If nohitter is town, shooting rEdo

if nohitter is scum, shooting Jinxy.
"Oh look only 1 person died, therefore RB is not a vig. Get your pitchforks everyone, we're having roasted beef tonight."

If RB is actually town, that would be a loss of 3 towns in the worst case scenario (Hitter day 1 lynch, rEdo vig/mafia kill, RB day 2 lynch). Not very advantageous for us as we waste 2 lynches and lose a vig. Best case scenario is that NH is scum and Jinxy is scum but I think that's a little easy.

Let's just say I don't like how this might end.
pieguyn
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lynching someone D1 is always way better than not lynching anyone IMO. I wouldn't like at all to vote NH, but it doesn't seem like anyone else will get lynched this late. >_<//
NoHitter
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I'm going to keep my vote on who I think is scum.

Mod: Please change the rule to allow non-majority lynches. With the way the forum is with all the inactivity, we're essentially going to get no-lynch all the time. Not fair for town.
Rantai
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Hmm though.

4 PR's - 1 confirmed, 3 unconfirmed (1 town, 2 null).

I'm sort of interested in how NH flips actually because if they have daychat (and NH is scum), then the amount of PR claims we have coincides with a possible fake PR claim. Also would consolidate why Hitter would propose that roles were made to counter other roles (ie easy mafia fake claim).

Which is kind of bad actually because if the mafia simply decide to shoot vanilla's instead of PR's then we'd be wasting our time trying to determine who is a legit PR and who isn't.

If he's town... that was a very naive conclusion to make. I'm just a little skeptical that the host would make it that easy to confirm people.
Raging Bull
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Rantai wrote:

"Oh look only 1 person died, therefore RB is not a vig. Get your pitchforks everyone, we're having roasted beef tonight."

Can I just shoot you instead? :(
Rantai
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Oh yeah; Vote: NoHitter
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Raging Bull wrote:

Rantai wrote:

"Oh look only 1 person died, therefore RB is not a vig. Get your pitchforks everyone, we're having roasted beef tonight."

Can I just shoot you instead? :(
I couldn't resist ;__________;
Raging Bull
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I'm still certain that NH is town, being so calm close to lynch. So I'm more suspicious of the current non PR votes on him.
pieguyn
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I'd like to see that rule changed too, but either way at this point I don't think it'll affect this outcome ><

man what happened? it was a lot more active a few days ago ><
Rantai
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That's what he wants you to think

Hitter is sly and sneaky.

Honestly though, I don't know what he is at this stage.
Raging Bull
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Well his lynch is pretty much imminent though. Mafia would have at least tried to defend a bit D: I think. Damnit NH. You are sly and sneaky.
NoHitter
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Rantai wrote:

If he's town... that was a very naive conclusion to make. I'm just a little skeptical that the host would make it that easy to confirm people.
Ockham's Razor hasn't failed me yet.
Raging Bull
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Hey Rantai/pieguy, what do you think about me hitting Jinxy if NH is scum?
Rantai
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NoHitter wrote:

Rantai wrote:

If he's town... that was a very naive conclusion to make. I'm just a little skeptical that the host would make it that easy to confirm people.
Ockham's Razor hasn't failed me yet.
But your explanations do not cover the possibility of daychat and JOAT. It's flawed by default.

@RB - if he is scum, shoot fart or pieguy.

If he's town I'd rather you didn't shoot.

But that's just me.
Raging Bull
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well pieguy/hika JK claim was rather unexpected.

Why fart?
NoHitter
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I believe you misunderstood me Rantai.
Town has two initial PRs right? It's in my opinion that the two original PRs are the Watcher and Vig.
When scum increased their PRs, that's when the other PRs like JK became apparent.
Rantai
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I don't know really. I'm just going under the idea that if Hitter was scum, one of your PR's are scum.

I'd have to think about it more to give you an explained answer.
Rantai
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NoHitter wrote:

I believe you misunderstood me Rantai.
Town has two initial PRs right? It's in my opinion that the two original PRs are the Watcher and Vig.
When scum increased their PRs, that's when the other PRs like JK became apparent.
But what about cop?

I just don't buy the fact that the town would have 2 static roles as the mandatory PR's.

Not necessarily, in fact town is more likely to get roles like vig or alignment cop.
Also this implies that vig was more likely a reactionary role than a static one (but I'm sticking to the idea that all roles are randomly picked from a pool of roles which may or may not happen to be counterable by the mafia picks.
NoHitter
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But then I wouldn't see the logic of the setup.
Why would you give mafia the choice of picking Ninja or BP if the roles that they counter don't appear in the game anyway?
Rantai
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Risk vs reward?

You choose the role on the chance that town gets it perhaps?

Besides why would mafia choose BP if JOAT can do it plus more? Rolecop, daychat and even traitor is more useful.
Raging Bull
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Still reluctant on hitting fart or pieguy really.

Perhaps we can do this? Fart tracks Jinxy, pieguy JKs fart? That way fart can confirm in pieguy is JK if he gets no result while Jinxy's death (or not if BP) still shows I did action?
fartownik
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I don't even know guys. I still think NH is leaning Town for what he did, this might end up really messy tommorrow.

Raging Bull wrote:

Perhaps we can do this? Fart tracks Jinxy, pieguy JKs fart? That way fart can confirm in pieguy is JK if he gets no result while Jinxy's death (or not if BP) still shows I did action?
But I'm a Watcher, not a Tracker. I can Watch someone and see who targeted that person the night (but not what actions were performed).
Raging Bull
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Yeah, watch jinxy
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Well basically whatever NH flips, you watch who i hit. Pieguy will JK you. If you get a result then pieguy is mafia, if no result, pieguy is town. I guess. Just trying to come up with a plan.
fartownik
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Raging Bull wrote:

Well basically whatever NH flips, you watch who i hit. Pieguy will JK you. If you get a result then pieguy is mafia, if no result, pieguy is town. I guess. Just trying to come up with a plan.
This might work I guess. I'm fine with doing this, though it's a little waste of not checking the non-PRs, but I understand we should be confirmed as well.
fartownik
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@EBWOP: What if NoHitter turns Traitor? Will you treat it the same as he turned scum?
Haneii
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fartownik wrote:

@EBWOP: What if NoHitter turns Traitor? Will you treat it the same as he turned scum?
I don't think he'd suggest that plan if he was traitor. It makes more sense that mafia just chose 1 power (to minimize town powers) and we're confident they can out all the town power roles with NoHitter's plan. In this case one of the town PR is a lie/scum.

This is all assuming NoHitter is scum.
fartownik
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Well, but it's still a possibility. If he turns Traitor then we won't really have anything planned, which might end up in general confusion of actions D2.
Sakura
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Ok since most people want that rule change i'd decided that by deadline the one with the most votes will be lynched, in the event of a tie though, there will be No-Lynch (As I consider that scenario the case that Town couldn't decide who to lynch).

Vote Count 1.12

(L-1) NoHitter (6) - Irreversible, BRBP, Tanzklaue, rEdo, pieguy1372, Rantai
pieguy1372 (1) - Haneii
rEdo (1) - NoHitter

Not Voting (6) - Jinxy, DakeDekaane, Raging Bull, fartownik

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes
VoidnOwO
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fartownik
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Well, we still have some time 'til the day ends, he can also read it even after the deadline. And I don't see why wouldn't he agree on this anyways.
pieguyn
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yeah I'll JK fartownik N1. We won't be able to watch anyone, but at least we'll get some information.

@RB: Jinxy seems as good of a choice as any.

Looks like I won't be able to make any more posts before day ends. >< let's hope this lynch ends up working out :o
fartownik
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So... should I hammer? I don't think anything will change in this 4 hours that's left.
Raging Bull
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Treat traitor as scum
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I still think you're town forever NH:(


Vote:NH
Sakura
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As everyone's confused by the death of the captain NoHitter decides to come up with a plan which would include revealing everyone's skills in the process, after some people start revealing their skills they start getting suspicious of NoHitter and decide that he should be the one to be lynched, many arguments came about while NoHitter tried to prove his innocence, it is too late, everyone drew their guns and shoot him

Final Vote Count Day 1

NoHitter (7) - Irreversible, BRBP, Tanzklaue, rEdo, pieguy1372, Rantai, Raging Bull (Hammered)
pieguy1372 (1) - Haneii
rEdo (1) - NoHitter

Not Voting (3) - Jinxy, DakeDekaane, fartownik

NoHitter - Town Vanilla - Has been Lynched D1

It is now Night 1 until 1st July 16:55 (GMT-5) Please send all Night actions by PM before deadline
NoHitter
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lol
good luck town
Sakura
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You all wake up to the sound of gunshots, you all gather around and notice 2 of you are missing, you immediately run towards BRBP's and rEdo's rooms, they are dead

rEdo - Vanilla Townie has been shot N1
BRBP - Town Mason & Cop has been shot N1

Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (9) - Jinxy, DakeDekaane, fartownik, Haneii, Irreversible, Tanzklaue, pieguy1372, Rantai, Raging Bull

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

It is now Day 2 until July 7th 16:50 (GMT-5)

Not sure if i was going to be here at the exact time for Night to end I decided to end it a few minutes earlier, Good Luck!
Raging Bull
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Damnit guys I told you NH was town.

So using NH thingy


1 - 3 - 5

3 scum in there. 6 town 3 scum. Oh wow. Anyways curious what fart result has.
fartownik
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Geez, I just felt that coming. Also I got No Result. Seems like pieguy was telling the truth.
rEdo
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you're a meanie, I'm telling you. ;_;
good luck, guys!
Raging Bull
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:( sorry.


Okay. So Haneii, Irre, Tanz, Jinxy, or DD is probably scum.
fartownik
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So the only option from now on is that all the scum hide in the unconfirmed townies. Nothing left but to methodically think off the lynch + RB's kill so we can hit both scum/traitor today and the night.

My only strong townread from that 5 is still on Tanz.
Haneii would be leaning Town. She's done more than JInxy/DD as for the scumhunting and pushing on people (though she only pushed on Hika [pieguy] which is Town, but I still felt like it was a townpush). She was also against NH's tactic at the beginning, but she didn't just went away with it but started asking questions and in the end getting the answers she needed to change her mind. I think this is a town behavior.
The remaining 3 are equally null for me, but if 3 scum are hiding in the unconfirmed Townies then by PoE I'm for lynching one of them today and RB killing another tonight (unless we're totally unsure, then just the daylynch because if we take off another 2 Townies then we're totally overwhelmed).
pieguyn
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God damn it I knew this would happen

vote: DakeDekaane same reason as before
DakeDekaane
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^Not to mention that if we mislynch today we'll be probably in MyLo/LyLo in D3, even lose if RB hits a townie. We need to think this carefully. It seems pieguy was telling the truth, it means we have more chance to hitting scum today.

Tanz looks pretty town to me if you ask me.
I'm not sure if Irre needs a prod or not, I've been thinking he may be scum due his still strange vote on NH, yes, I said he'd be likely town due meta, but analyzing the non-PR votes on NH he got a bit of my attention.
fartownik
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I'm fine with lynching Dake. Also you (Dake) just posted something again and didn't even bother to repond for the vote pieguy just thrown on you.

Vote: DakeDekaane

We also gotta decide whether we take a use of RB's Vigilante tonight. There's plenty of possible scenarios how it could go:

1. If Dake flips Town:
We're in 5-3 town-to-scum ratio + a possible nightkill gives it 4-3 ratio, which means we're in LyLo. We might not like using RB's Vig in this scenario as if he also mislynches, we lose (but if we do use it, we're able to get away from LyLo).

2. If Dake flips scum:
We're in 6-2 town-to-scum ratio + a possible nightkill gives it 5-2 ratio. An additional Vig kill if hit Town would give it 4-2 ratio, which means MyLo, but if hit scum it's 5-1 ratio, and it's already a good advantage. This scenario is safer if we want to use Vigilante tonight and might end up beneficial for us.
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What should I respond if he already stated his reasons (I think they're the same as before) if I already responded? If we weren't in such a dangerous stage, I could think in both of you (pieguy and fart) being scum disguised as PR, but this is just WIFOM.

Now that, if both of you are really town, I may be in L-1 or even lynched in a few time, now I understand what NH meant with scum controlling half of the votes, silly me.

I'd prefer to read a bit more from the others before making a hurry decision like that, also I'd want to know your scum suspects, it shouldn't be hard as there are only 5 of what you could suspect right?
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DakeDekaane wrote:

What should I respond if he already stated his reasons (I think they're the same as before) if I already responded? If we weren't in such a dangerous stage, I could think in both of you (pieguy and fart) being scum disguised as PR, but this is just WIFOM.
just saying, that's impossible. if scum had 2 PRs and both claimed PR we'd get 6 total PR claims..unless someone else lied for no reason like Hika did, but I doubt it @_@

As for my suspects, nothing's changed, cause everyone who died were people I thought were town anyway. This limits the possibilities of who the Traitor is though, since it wasn't NH. IMO we should just pick someone who's acting suspicious without regard to how they're relating to other players, since it doesn't seem like they're trying to get the mafia's attention.
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What I was trying to say is there'd be no scum PR, but again, WIFOM, I tend to go pretty paranoid when I have no good reads.

So I'm your only suspect? Anybody else? If scum are in the non-PR, they'd try their best to not get suspected, just saying.
Raging Bull
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Like Tanz and Haneii perhaps. I'm still rather suspicious of Haneii. Just because of perhaps trying to look town when NH suggested that plan.



And I won't shoot if we lynch town. I'll shoot perhaps if we get scum.
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Haneii is pretty town for me. she didn't get tunnelvisioned (like me, hehe...), and always kept a calm head. so yea, not much reason to suspect her atm.

Jinxy is pretty null. except defending NH, he didn't do all that much. except one other thing. attacking DD, and rightfully so, I believe.

DD flip flopped on NH, which seems really suspicious. also his defending now seems desperate, though I wouldn't tunnel too much on him yet, since lynching someone so early at the day isn't helpful either.

irre... I really don't know. is he a bad townie? is he the traitor? I don't think that he is straight up scum, I think judging from his playstyle he would've flipped his shit a lot more when he was pressured. he also is (besides me) the only non PR that voted NH and is still alive.

so... the three scumsuspects should be Jinxy, DD and irre? I don't buy that. 1 of them? pretty much yes. 2 of them? very likely. all three of them? unbelievable, I think one of the townreads is scum. RB and Rantai are confirmed townies, so pieguy, fart or haneii. I think pieguy told the truth, since him lying would mean that fart lied as well, and I just think that it is very unlikely for two scums to hide amongst the PRs.

so, either haneii or fart.
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in retrospect, we should have jailkept (english grammar orz) BRBP, as he was our only 100% confirmed PR, and if he got jailkept then pieguy would've been also 100% confirmed :/
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DakeDekaane wrote:

What I was trying to say is there'd be no scum PR, but again, WIFOM, I tend to go pretty paranoid when I have no good reads.

So I'm your only suspect? Anybody else? If scum are in the non-PR, they'd try their best to not get suspected, just saying.
No scum PR is impossible - even if they put daychat and recruit the traitor, the last one has to be a PR

My other suspect remains the same, JInxy. Next on my list is Haneii, but I think Haneii is mostly pro- town.

Likewise, I don't think there'd be 2 PR claims who end up being mafia. That would require 4 town PRs and we only got 4 claims total, so that would imply 2 townies stayed silent, which I don't think is very likely (if it was 1, maybe).

I wonder now if town actually claimed all their PRs. Hika didn't so perhaps someone else didn't either, for whatever reason. In that case, there'd be 2 mafia PRs, one of which claimed PR. If I was mafia, I would enable daychat, so I doubt there's really 3 mafia PRs (plus we only got 4 claims anyway). Since we still haven't seen a Tracker, perhaps there is one and he/she just didn't claim. If that's the case, I'd be suspicious of fartownik cause I doubt there'd be a tracker and a watcher on the same side, plus all the other claimed PRs are confirmed anyway.

Actually, I've got an idea to possibly clear fartownik. I can just target one of two people at night picked randomly (ofc announcing the two possibilities first), and then he targets one of them. If he's really a watcher he should be able to guess who I targeted 100% of the time (if I didn't JK the one he picked, he guesses the other one). Now this only works 50% of the time, but at least it works that much of the time, we can try it multiple nights in a row, and we'll have one mafia if it fails even once. Alternatively we could have any number of PRs target a certain person, and then have him watch that person, and produce the full list of PRs who targeted that person D3. It might just be better for fartownik to play normally though...

@Tanz: man that's a good idea, why didn't we think of that earlier ><
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pieguy, I think you misunderstood the concept. scum could chose no PR at all, but instead a power like dachat, and own still would gain a PR.

also, in both cases of you and fart lying or only fart lying we still would have the right amount of town PRs. there is no reason to assume a hidden town PR.
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daychat* town* all dem typos man :/
Rantai
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*sigh*

I told you not to shoot anyone RB :<
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Town will be given the same ammount of powers as PRs that the mafia chooses and 2 additional PRs regardless.
I thought this meant that town only gets a PR if mafia chooses a PR
mod: does town still get a PR if mafia chooses daychat or to recruit the traitor?
Tanzklaue
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Sakura wrote:

This game will be using the "Stacking the Deck" setup, there will be 3 scum, one of them is a Traitor and they don't know who it is, yet, Mafia may choose up to 3 of the following powers that they want, Town will be given the same ammount of powers as PRs that the mafia chooses and 2 additional PRs regardless.
it's wonky wording, but it says that chosen powers by mafia translate into PRs for town.
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Rantai wrote:

*sigh*

I told you not to shoot anyone RB :<

;w; You said that's what you would do
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Tanzklaue wrote:

in retrospect, we should have jailkept (english grammar orz) BRBP, as he was our only 100% confirmed PR, and if he got jailkept then pieguy would've been also 100% confirmed :/
Well no one else suggested that. No one knew he was a cop PR so really we would probably have lost either pieguy for more WIFOM or watcher who is helpful as cop.
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@pieguy: I can see a small hole there, as you'll be announcing who you'd jail, I'm assuming you'll pick a non-PR, scum will likely kill another VT or even another PR, which in this case we should avoid any lose to town, we could do so if we lynch scum today, otherwise, we shouldn't waste another Night doing so, as if both are truly town, well have no good leads in what to do after that.

Rather than confirming PRs, we'd focus on lynching scum than betting everything in Night Actions.
Irreversible
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Lol i'm sorry guys that i didn^t post anything These days, i'm currently in a language stay which is very busy, i try to get These things clear today evening
Rantai
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Looking back; Who was actually on board and willing to go ahead with NH's plan without any hesitation?

I'm of the mind that at least 1 and likely 2 of the scum were on board with this plan (especially easier to follow when they can say that there is no point holding back after people have already started claiming).

In order of claiming;

NH - For (obviously)
Jinxy - For (with some numbers and stuff)
RB - Neutral (reluctant, didn't post of first reply but didn't exactly oppose it) [not that it matters, he's confirmed]
Rantai - Against [doesn't matter, confirmed town]
Fart - For (more or less, following the flow - claimed on first reply)
Hika - For (same as above)
DD - Neutral? (claimed on first reply with a post that seemed to be against it, but more of a pointing out worst case scenarios)
Irre - For (not first reply but ignorance plays a factor)
Tanz - Against (heavy questioning)
Haneii - Against (heavy questioning)
rEdo - Against (reasoned why it should be done) [doesn't matter, confirmed town]
Konei - Inactive [doesn't matter, confirmed town]

--

Jinxy at least explained his thinking and was the first to support it however his reasoning was flawed as the benefits were truly in favour of mafia (in retrospect this mass claim should have happened on day 2).

Fart is a claimed PR so there is more weight behind his claim but because of the nature of the game - we have already identified our 2 mandatory PR's leaving both hika and fart as null tells until further notice.

Hika is in an identical situation (coincidentally they claimed back to back) BUT Hika's sudden PR claim circumstance lends to some more thinking. (now pieguy obviously)

Oh DD. I will agree he is currently the most suspicious out of the bunch due to a number of factors: while stating his -somewhat- concerns for the plan, still went along with it anyway on the first reply, looking at the actual votes on NH - given that 4 confirmed town were on him (the scum knew they were town), they had no reason to get on this bandwagon. Couple with the fact he was suspicious of NH (and Hika) but didn't vote at all, this is a curious set of situations. Additionally; "but still we could have town PRs protecting themselves from scum eyes by claiming they're not PR" makes that statement and then that exact situation appears later down the track is suspect in itself, especially when he contradicts his own sentiment by suspecting the PR claimant.

I don't even know what to say about Irreversible. Completely null.

Those who were against the idea; I'm going to give a slight lean towards town for now.
Rantai
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After thoughts: RB/BRBP aren't necessarily the mandatory PR's - but with 2 confirmed PR's now, the other 2 are up in the air (ie cannot be confirmed until a scum PR is revealed).

After thoughts 2: 3 confirmed town on NH bandwagon due to RB being the hammerer.
Raging Bull
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We can totally test pieguy if you want. I can shoot him and he JKs me ;D


But if we have 4 PR, mafia probably chose day chat + traitor. I think day chat is very powerful if they have at least 3 people to coordinate their plans.
pieguyn
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If what I was thinking all along was wrong, then that's possible
I'm just going to wait till we have a ruling on what I said since it's 3 in the morning and I can't think about it any more ><
Jinxy
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I still feel Haneii's posts are slightly suspicious RE: Massclaim, there's a fine line between not being too tunnel-visioned and flip flopping. Her last post (44 hours ago, too, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt since there was 24h of night) kinda reads oddly to me too, the "we're" doesn't sound right if she meant it as "town" nor "mafia". Would be nice if she explained that post.

Dake feels more scummy to me now, Rantai made a pretty good observation that he's flipping around for quite a few things.

Irre is still an enigma, I'll see what he has to post since he said he was going to.

for farto and pieguy, farto specifically confirmed pieguy in a way so maybe farto might have a chance of being scum and lying to get pieguy's trust, but for pieguy to be scum means both have to be lying which seems way too risky for scum.
Tanzklaue
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Jinxy wrote:

for farto and pieguy, farto specifically confirmed pieguy in a way so maybe farto might have a chance of being scum and lying to get pieguy's trust, but for pieguy to be scum means both have to be lying which seems way too risky for scum.
but at this point especially, or since hika claimed to be honest, it seems like a risk worth taking. town cannot risk lynching a real PR, like, almost never is that something that isn't absolute horrible. so if we can't be sure of them being scum, then we will be superhesitant to lynch them.

that said, I belief that pieguy is not scum. not so sure about fart, so we should keep an eye on the situation.
Raging Bull
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Holy fuck, you changed your name
Sakura
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Vote Count 2.01

DakeDekaane (2) - pieguy1372, fartownik

Not Voting (7) - Jinxy, DakeDekaane, Haneii, Irreversible, Tanzklaue, Rantai, Raging Bull

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes.

If they pick daychat town gets an additional PR yes, same if they recruit the traitor.
Jinxy
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Raging Bull wrote:

Holy fuck, you changed your name
SPOILER
fartownik
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Tanzklaue wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

for farto and pieguy, farto specifically confirmed pieguy in a way so maybe farto might have a chance of being scum and lying to get pieguy's trust, but for pieguy to be scum means both have to be lying which seems way too risky for scum.
but at this point especially, or since hika claimed to be honest, it seems like a risk worth taking. town cannot risk lynching a real PR, like, almost never is that something that isn't absolute horrible. so if we can't be sure of them being scum, then we will be superhesitant to lynch them.

that said, I belief that pieguy is not scum. not so sure about fart, so we should keep an eye on the situation.
I am not confirmed Town in your eyes, indeed, and there's still a *technical* possibility that I'm scum, but what makes you think so? I'm trying to do the best I can to eliminate all the possible disadvantages for Town at the moment, I'm also trying to prove myself Town. If there's a way you want me to use my PR so I can prove myself, please give me an idea and I will do it. What pieguy suggested might actually work, but it also wastes the usage of my PR. If there's no better way then I guess we can do this though.
Haneii
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@Jinxy: typo. Should be "were" (my phone tries to autocorrect it to we're now too. Odd).

Jinxy wrote:

Her last post (44 hours ago, too, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt since there was 24h of night)
And a Happy Canada to you too.
However, I apologize for not letting you all know I would be inactive for a bit.

I'll post my thoughts in a bit once I get to a computer.
Haneii
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Day*

And this is why I hate posting from my phone
Haneii
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Fartownik is more likely town because I think mafia would be more hesitant to claim PR.
@fartownik: Is there a possibility that no one visited the person you watched and the mod worded it as "No result", or does the mod usually tell the watcher "No one targeted this person last night"?

Until that's confirmed I'm still suspicious of pieguy. (From most to least suspicious: I'm thinking Jinxy, pieguy, Irr, and/or Dakedekaane could be scum)

Irr: I actually don't have much of read on Irr but everyone else is either town/leaning town or leaning scum. I'm starting to suspect you're traitor that's left out of the loop because the other two mafia have day chat and can coordinate their posts and appear proactive.

Pieguy: Pieguy hasn't been confirmed town for me but I do believe mafia chose another power so you having a PR adds up.

Jinxy: Jinxy says just enough. Most of it is gameplay explanations/plan elaborations and recaps.

DakeDekaane: I'm not as strongly suspicious of Dake as everyone else seems to be, just seems paranoid to me. He points out valid points (He gets +1 towards town for pointing out flaws whenever he see's them). Doesn't follow through with his suspicions, but again, not as suspicious to me as the other 3.


@ the power roles: Are you guys going to use your roles to try confirming each other again? How about you target to get info on mafia/mafia activity?
Raging Bull
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Fart checked who i hit and pieguy JKd him.
fartownik
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Haneii wrote:

Fartownik is more likely town because I think mafia would be more hesitant to claim PR.
@fartownik: Is there a possibility that no one visited the person you watched and the mod worded it as "No result", or does the mod usually tell the watcher "No one targeted this person last night"?
I watched rEdo whom died of RB's Vig kill the night before. I got No Result so pieguy really must've roleblocked me, because if he didn't I'd see RB targeting rEdo. And RB is a conf Town because of 2 kills happening during the night.
Irreversible
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i requested a replacement, hope to see your guys in another game again D: sorry for These circumstances :x
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^ because of this language stay ,and I have no time to check the things here frequently x:
Sakura
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Searching for a replacement for Irreversible...
DakeDekaane
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As it seems you're more focused in confirm your PRs than finding scum, so I'll propose this, each of our PRs should target anybody, they won't tell who they are going to target, if we plan something like in D1, scum will be acting with too much freedom, and by doing this, they won't have any advantage imo, and even make their NK fail. The results will be reported in D3: if there are no weird/impossible interaction between PRs, then they will be likely confirmed, in this case, pieguy/fart should claim first, then RB as it's the only one confirmed town.

Vote: No Lynch

Even in the worst case, we'll end 4:3, yes, LyLo, but we'll have 100% chance of hitting scum, as scummy people will clearly stand out, even find a liar in the PRs, if there is any.

Obviously the No Lynch can be changed if we catch a scum suspect.

Those who want me lynched, feel free to do so, but I'm still curious how some of you don't have a second scum suspect besides me and everybody seems to be against me. It seems Irre won't tell his scum suspects to make a bit clearer this, we could wait for his replacement though.
Raging Bull
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Honestly, I'm still unsure about fart/pieguy after I realized my plan was flawed. I could instead shoot pieguy and he JKs me. That would probably be better. I'm more curious of Irre now. Perhaps he's asking for replacement after getting mafia this time? Perhaps it seems cruel for me to use his inactivity as a way to suspect him.
Rantai
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Even in the worst case, we'll end 4:3, yes, LyLo, but we'll have 100% chance of hitting scum, as scummy people will clearly stand out, even find a liar in the PRs, if there is any.
Would you like to elaborate with some numbers on how this'll work. I am both too lazy to calculate it for you and I am curious as to whether this is a desperate plan (anti-town as hell too due to many factors) to keep you off the chopping block or a thought out plan with good reasoning as to benefit the town.
Raging Bull
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I'm not sure why, but I'm still kinda suspicious of fart and pieguy. Pieguy/Hika for that claim out of nowhere and fart for saying watcher and not tracker. Of course host can add variation, but the wiki page stack the deck mentions only tracker. Perhaps two safe claims for scum to hide in PR? Just some thought :S
Raging Bull
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Even OP doesn't make sense to me

Changing a goon to ninja will make kills submitted look as though they target no one to both tracker and watcher.

If a ninja submit's a kill, they will appear as targetting no one to trackers only.

Watchers on the other hand won't matter in this sentence because watchers can't see ninja's action in the first place. Watchers would only see a person get targetted.

Either OP needs fixing or fart/pie lied
Tanzklaue
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fart, I never outright said that you are scum. I just said that you are more likely to be onethan pieguy, due to roles.

an 100% confirmation of you is basically impossible at this point. I think we should do what RB said and confirm pieguy. you should target whoever you feel like, basically, and play like a normal unconfirmed watcher, since there isn't much else you could do to proof your townieness.

also DD brought up the interesting point of fart and pieguy directly tunneling on him. I think that it is suspicious that our two PRs who probably expect most people to never ever suspect them seriously do something like tunneling directly on one person?

given that DD is the mainsuspect, and yea he flip flops, this is still a valid point. of course he could be scum that tries to wriggle himself out. or he is a townie that really just wants to point out how dumb tunneling is at this point.
Tanzklaue
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RB, in an open set up, and if it is forced, it is supereasy for watcher to fakeclaim.

oh there was a nightkill? I just watched over this person that got killed and player x targeted him/her! lynch him!

I mean, sure, he is most likely not alive anymore the next day, but his deed is done.

we are all suspicious of fart and pieguy, but we shouldn't let others slip by either. I think Haneii is pretty town, at least to me. Jinxy is null, maybe leaning slightly scum. DD is scummy, yes, but like I said, he is too convenient to really be scum. and irre... well, let's hope his replacement will be more helpful than this mess.
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Raging Bull wrote:

Watchers on the other hand won't matter in this sentence because watchers can't see ninja's action in the first place. Watchers would only see a person get targetted.
Well, it just means the watcher doesn't see the ninja kill if he managed to watch the NK target. That's basically how they work, and also why you asked fart to try and watch rEdo while you shot him
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