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Best mid-price keyboard recommendations for playing osu!

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jabberwockey
396 posts
Joined July 2011
Topic Starter
jabberwockey
My current keyboard is wireless, which is really bad because it causes some lag and when the battery dies it's very frustrating. On top of that, it's really old
( like 6 years ) so either it's me or the lag is getting worse.
It's pretty much time for a new one, except I can't afford a super expensive one. I was thinking if someone can please give me a recommendation, it would be much appreciated. Thank you!
Alpha Kitten
229 posts
Joined July 2012
Alpha Kitten
Black widow
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz

Alpha Kitten wrote:

Black widow
Let me get started by telling you that BlackWidows are considered expensive in some countries. Also they're overrated as fuck, go get something else instead.
lolcubes
osu! Alumni
4,437 posts
Joined November 2010
lolcubes
First, before you consider buying a keyboard, or should I say a mech keyboard, learn about switches, their difference and see which you like the best. People usually prefer blue or red. Then just find a cheapest possible keyboard using the said switch. There are threads about keyboards on these forums already so check them out.
jesse1412
1,457 posts
Joined January 2010
jesse1412
http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Mechanic ... B005QW1UBU

Cheapest red switch I could find. I'd say red/black should be fine, never tried blue before and red is just a lighter version of blacks. I'm tempted to buy one of these some time in the future.

I use a meka g1, black switches and it's not too expensive. Worked fine for osu! but it's a little more pricey than the one I linked above.
jabberwockey
396 posts
Joined July 2011
Topic Starter
jabberwockey

Alpha Kitten wrote:

Black widow
120$+ gee no thanks :cry: though I have heard they are very good

lolcubes wrote:

First, before you consider buying a keyboard, or should I say a mech keyboard, learn about switches, their difference and see which you like the best. People usually prefer blue or red. Then just find a cheapest possible keyboard using the said switch. There are threads about keyboards on these forums already so check them out.
I have, and I think I prefer black/blue
Also I couldn't find any threads :o


jesus1412 wrote:

http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Mechanical-Keyboard-Cherry-RK-9000RE/dp/B005QW1UBU

Cheapest red switch I could find. I'd say red/black should be fine, never tried blue before and red is just a lighter version of blacks. I'm tempted to buy one of these some time in the future.

I use a meka g1, black switches and it's not too expensive. Worked fine for osu! but it's a little more pricey than the one I linked above.

I'll check that out, thanks :)
enik
276 posts
Joined December 2011
enik

Shoily wrote:

I have, and I think I prefer black/blue
Also I couldn't find any threads
t/92602&start=0
http://www.daskeyboard.com/blog/?page_id=1458
Kert
2,082 posts
Joined June 2009
Kert
As a cheap alternative you can try scissor-type keyboard with slim keys
I haven't tried mechanical stuff, but I can say my slim keyboard (~15$) works pretty good for me o/
Pacemaker
106 posts
Joined May 2012
Pacemaker

Shoily wrote:

Alpha Kitten wrote:

Black widow
120$+ gee no thanks :cry: though I have heard they are very good
That's the Ultimate version, you can get the normal one for around 80$ (only difference on the Ultimate are lighted keys and a USB + headphone port).
Wishy
2,972 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
Black Widow, and it's great for this game too. I've tried red, black, blue and spring switches and from all those 4 I prefer blue.
Purple
467 posts
Joined May 2011
Purple
I think i have already recommended this before. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-NA-_-NA

I'm not sure what the switches are though. Maybe someone here has one?
enik
276 posts
Joined December 2011
enik

Purlpo wrote:

I think i have already recommended this before. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-NA-_-NA

I'm not sure what the switches are though. Maybe someone here has one?
You can check it yourself simply removing one of the keycaps, every switch is colored in accordance with its name.
SPOILER
I wanna buy this numeric keypad thing too.
JAKACHAN
684 posts
Joined March 2011
JAKACHAN
So this thing has browns reds and blacks but lacks blues? Unless the top is considered blues.
enik
276 posts
Joined December 2011
enik

JAKANYAN wrote:

So this thing has browns reds and blacks but lacks blues? Unless the top is considered blues.
Oh, this one is handmade keypad, you can't buy it actually (and I don't own it). I showed it as an example. And yeah, the top are blues.
Pacemaker
106 posts
Joined May 2012
Pacemaker

enik wrote:

SPOILER
Wtf bbq, it's like that thing is meant to be used for rhythm games lol
winber1
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Joined February 2010
winber1
BLUES SUCKKKKKKKKK.

but if you are going to buy a mech keyboard, (although I don't know how you could do this) it would be helpful if you could test some of the keyboards first. The blue keys have a tactile feedback (meaning you know exactly at what point the key has been pressed) whereas the other ones, like red, don't have this (they are linear, and there is no tactile feedback). I though tactile feedback would be fine and it would help me know when to press the notes. Honestly, no, I got used to it, but I hadn't realized how much it actually sucked until I got a new cherry mx red keyboard, then I realized how much it sucked for me. The blues were also a little too hard to press imo. I would like to have keys that are extremely light and easy to press, and reds are best for that.

Now, obviously, some people prefer blues some reason and others prefer others. It's just something you should really think about if you are going to buy a mech keyboard.

If not, well, there are a few other keyboards that are like in between mech and rubber dome, though I don't really any names, which are obviously much better than your 6 year old keyboard and other average keyboards, but probably not as good as mech keyboards. Kert's suggestion sounds like an ok alternative too.
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz

enik wrote:

Purlpo wrote:

I think i have already recommended this before. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-NA-_-NA

I'm not sure what the switches are though. Maybe someone here has one?
You can check it yourself simply removing one of the keycaps, every switch is colored in accordance with its name.
SPOILER
I wanna buy this numeric keypad thing too.
It also has the ever rumoured green and gray switches, oh wow.
I wonder how do they feel.

Also seconding to winber1. I can singletap faster on rubberdomes than on blue switches since the tactility that came with the blue switches slows down my singletap speed. I really should get either reds or blacks in the future.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
$20 logitech keyboard
enik
276 posts
Joined December 2011
enik

Pacemaker wrote:

enik wrote:

SPOILER
Wtf bbq, it's like that thing is meant to be used for rhythm games lol
Yeah I really wish I could get one. This thing is made to test all mech switches before you buy, a.k.a "Worldwide Switch Try Numpad" and it's traveling over the world (I'm actually next in a queue ^^).
Also I have an idea to try make these keypads myself for the osu! community and if all goes right I'll create a topic like in a month.
threenash
1,043 posts
Joined May 2010
threenash
Membrane keyboard
Error
Kert
2,082 posts
Joined June 2009
Kert

enik wrote:

Yeah I really wish I could get one. This thing is made to test all mech switches before you buy, a.k.a "Worldwide Switch Try Numpad" and it's traveling over the world (I'm actually next in a queue ^^).
Also I have an idea to try make these keypads myself for the osu! community and if all goes right I'll create a topic like in a month.
That'd be pretty cool. Because full-sized mech keyboard is kind of useless, because only 2 buttons will be used lol
вышлешь мне одну \:D/
jabberwockey
396 posts
Joined July 2011
Topic Starter
jabberwockey
I'm kind of really used to rubberdomes since they are so easy to press (and have been using them for many years). I never tested a red/brown/green/grey so I don't know how good they are...I really wish there was some way I could test it, like that numpad. I only tested blue and black, but I've never tested blue for osu so I can't say how good it will be for this.


winber1 wrote:

BLUES SUCKKKKKKKKK.

but if you are going to buy a mech keyboard, (although I don't know how you could do this) it would be helpful if you could test some of the keyboards first. The blue keys have a tactile feedback (meaning you know exactly at what point the key has been pressed) whereas the other ones, like red, don't have this (they are linear, and there is no tactile feedback). I though tactile feedback would be fine and it would help me know when to press the notes. Honestly, no, I got used to it, but I hadn't realized how much it actually sucked until I got a new cherry mx red keyboard, then I realized how much it sucked for me. The blues were also a little too hard to press imo. I would like to have keys that are extremely light and easy to press, and reds are best for that.

Now, obviously, some people prefer blues some reason and others prefer others. It's just something you should really think about if you are going to buy a mech keyboard.

If not, well, there are a few other keyboards that are like in between mech and rubber dome, though I don't really any names, which are obviously much better than your 6 year old keyboard and other average keyboards, but probably not as good as mech keyboards. Kert's suggestion sounds like an ok alternative too.
Problem is, I don't really have a way to test them all....gah I guess you need to put a lot of thought into this.Should I go with popular opinion and get a Black Widow?

That's the Ultimate version, you can get the normal one for around 80$ (only difference on the Ultimate are lighted keys and a USB + headphone port).
Really? I might consider them then! Thanks

Kert wrote:

As a cheap alternative you can try scissor-type keyboard with slim keys
I haven't tried mechanical stuff, but I can say my slim keyboard (~15$) works pretty good for me o/
That sounds like a great option for me! Thanks~ As long as it's not wireless
Which brand/model do you use?
And about that "only use 2 keys for osu" thing, this is for everything I do on the PC in general, have I mentioned that my current keyboard can only register 2 keys at once? Since I type quite fast this leads to a lot of typos and it's also pretty bad for gaming in general. :lol:

buny wrote:

$20 logitech keyboard
Is this what you currently use?
Frizz
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Joined April 2011
Frizz
Popular =/= best

I suggest you to try all of the switches before buying. Seeing you coming from rubberdomes, I'm pretty sure you can get used to linear switches (red/black) much more easily than tactile switches (blue/brown) since most people would just bottom out the switches at the first time they use mechanical keyboards.

The reason why BlackWidow is popular is because it's the cheapest MX Cherry mechanical keyboard you can get anywhere (most MX Cherry mechanical keyboard costs around 100$ or more while BlackWidow is only around 75$).
Kert
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Joined June 2009
Kert

Shoily wrote:

That sounds like a great option for me! Thanks~ As long as it's not wireless
Which brand/model do you use?
oklick 555s
I tried laptop keyboard once and realized that it's extremely nice to stream on
After sometime searching for a slim kb with regular button placement + white color I found this one~
Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy

Frizz wrote:

Popular =/= best

I suggest you to try all of the switches before buying. Seeing you coming from rubberdomes, I'm pretty sure you can get used to linear switches (red/black) much more easily than tactile switches (blue/brown) since most people would just bottom out the switches at the first time they use mechanical keyboards.

The reason why BlackWidow is popular is because it's the cheapest MX Cherry mechanical keyboard you can get anywhere (most MX Cherry mechanical keyboard costs around 100$ or more while BlackWidow is only around 75$).
Blue and Red switches are the lightest you can get, and tactile feedback is good for some players, plus it's cheap (Black Widow). Lighter = better, and yeah all the best players you see around use blue (most of them). Some use black, like Tom69, but as you may know, he taps since his streaming speed by using 2 fingers isn't that fast.

Reds are great too but way more expensive and rare.
buny
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buny

Shoily wrote:

buny wrote:

$20 logitech keyboard
Is this what you currently use?
I used to use one but I recently got a mechanical keyboard and I can tell you that the only difference is a few extra keys and a different feel when pressing the keys.

Probably had no effect on my gameplay whatsoever other than a more comfortable way of playing the game for a costy amount.
qlum
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Joined October 2008
qlum
the steelseries g6v2 is also a good option, personally find the keys without a tactile bump a lot nicer than the ones on the razer black widow, also steel series has a better rep in terms of build quality than razer. One other thing is that its not a glossy fingerprint magnet which is a huge bonus for me. The last benefit of the Steelseries is that it supports the old non usb connection which makes it possible to recognise an unlimited number of buttons inputs at the same time in contrary to usb which only supports like 5 at the same time or something. Technically the old connection is also faster than usb because it works on a hardware level. Its not needed to use the connection like that but it can be used which is a good thing and most desktops still have the connector. The black widow can only do usb due to its annoying backlight.


Mechanicals are just a lot nicer especially when typing and yes while osu! benefits from it its normal typing work where mechanical keyboards shine the most.
Purple
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Purple

enik wrote:

Yeah I really wish I could get one. This thing is made to test all mech switches before you buy, a.k.a "Worldwide Switch Try Numpad" and it's traveling over the world (I'm actually next in a queue ^^).
Also I have an idea to try make these keypads myself for the osu! community and if all goes right I'll create a topic like in a month.
Please do
lolcubes
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lolcubes

Frizz wrote:

The reason why BlackWidow is popular is because it's the cheapest MX Cherry mechanical keyboard you can get anywhere (most MX Cherry mechanical keyboard costs around 100$ or more while BlackWidow is only around 75$).
Actually there are cheaper keyboards out there, or much higher quality alternatives (with different switches though) for the same price. Here where I live, 6GV2 (70€~) costs a lot less than a blackwidow (90€~), and recently there has been a new version of 6GV2 with red switches, which is only a little more expensive.
Frizz
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Joined April 2011
Frizz

lolcubes wrote:

Frizz wrote:

The reason why BlackWidow is popular is because it's the cheapest MX Cherry mechanical keyboard you can get anywhere (most MX Cherry mechanical keyboard costs around 100$ or more while BlackWidow is only around 75$).
Actually there are cheaper keyboards out there, or much higher quality alternatives (with different switches though) for the same price. Here where I live, 6GV2 (70€~) costs a lot less than a blackwidow (90€~), and recently there has been a new version of 6GV2 with red switches, which is only a little more expensive.
Well 6GV2 costs around 90$ here so idk

qlum wrote:

the steelseries g6v2 is also a good option, personally find the keys without a tactile bump a lot nicer than the ones on the razer black widow, also steel series has a better rep in terms of build quality than razer. One other thing is that its not a glossy fingerprint magnet which is a huge bonus for me. The last benefit of the Steelseries is that it supports the old non usb connection which makes it possible to recognise an unlimited number of buttons inputs at the same time in contrary to usb which only supports like 5 at the same time or something. Technically the old connection is also faster than usb because it works on a hardware level. Its not needed to use the connection like that but it can be used which is a good thing and most desktops still have the connector. The black widow can only do usb due to its annoying backlight.


Mechanicals are just a lot nicer especially when typing and yes while osu! benefits from it its normal typing work where mechanical keyboards shine the most.
It's called PS/2 connector fyi
winber1
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Joined February 2010
winber1

Wishy22 wrote:

since his streaming speed by using 2 fingers isn't that fast.
no.

still pretty damn fast.
jabberwockey
396 posts
Joined July 2011
Topic Starter
jabberwockey

qlum wrote:

the steelseries g6v2 is also a good option, personally find the keys without a tactile bump a lot nicer than the ones on the razer black widow, also steel series has a better rep in terms of build quality than razer. One other thing is that its not a glossy fingerprint magnet which is a huge bonus for me. The last benefit of the Steelseries is that it supports the old non usb connection which makes it possible to recognise an unlimited number of buttons inputs at the same time in contrary to usb which only supports like 5 at the same time or something. Technically the old connection is also faster than usb because it works on a hardware level. Its not needed to use the connection like that but it can be used which is a good thing and most desktops still have the connector. The black widow can only do usb due to its annoying backlight.


Mechanicals are just a lot nicer especially when typing and yes while osu! benefits from it its normal typing work where mechanical keyboards shine the most.
Woah sounds magical! I have to check if my desktop still supports the old connection though. Thanks!

lolcubes wrote:

Actually there are cheaper keyboards out there, or much higher quality alternatives (with different switches though) for the same price. Here where I live, 6GV2 (70€~) costs a lot less than a blackwidow (90€~), and recently there has been a new version of 6GV2 with red switches, which is only a little more expensive.
Blackwidows are extremely expensive here, even if it's not the Ultimate version, like $100+, I guess buying online is my only option
And an 6GV2 cost $95 :o
Oh well if they last a long time/is durable and it's super good quality, I'll consider buying one!

Kert wrote:

oklick 555s
I tried laptop keyboard once and realized that it's extremely nice to stream on
After sometime searching for a slim kb with regular button placement + white color I found this one~
Thanks! This is probably one of the best options for me atm

Wishy22 wrote:

Blue and Red switches are the lightest you can get, and tactile feedback is good for some players, plus it's cheap (Black Widow). Lighter = better, and yeah all the best players you see around use blue (most of them). Some use black, like Tom69, but as you may know, he taps since his streaming speed by using 2 fingers isn't that fast.

Reds are great too but way more expensive and rare.
I think Red is best for me, I borrowed my cousin's blue key mechanical keyboard for testing (forgot the brand) and it was very hard for me to get used to.
Tom69 taps? That imo is way harder than using 2 fingers wow talk about pro
buny
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buny
Harder to master but results in faster speed
winber1
4,519 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1

Shoily wrote:

Tom69 taps? That imo is way harder than using 2 fingers wow talk about pro
He doesn't. You are misunderstanding. He uses keyboard for everything except compressed fast streams (e.g. Mad Machine). He has a video of him playing it with tap/x. He can't stream it with z/x though with that accuracy, but I'm pretty sure he can still stream that fast with z/x.

And tapping is much worse by itself. tap/x mainly best for fast compressed streams if you know how to do it. Using keyboard for everything else is usually much easier.
Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy
He said he can't.
Sorun
234 posts
Joined October 2010
Sorun
Surprised no one recommended the Cooler master rapid fire (Blue switches)

http://www.amazon.com/Storm-QuickFire-R ... rapid+fire

It has less bad reviews concerning build quality vs the Standard Black widow at the same price point, for $20 or so more you can get red switches or brown switches. I haven't tried it myself, but I have done quite a few Custom gaming rigs and Cooler masters build quality is always good, also the Rapid fire is tenkeyless and a bit more smaller which to me is a good thing since I usually play osu! on the go and the dimensions are perfect to fit with my laptop and books in my bag.
No matter your choice please post the keyboard you get and how you like it, I haven't played in a while because of school and before I started my osu! break I was strongly considering a mech keyboard. I just never got the chance to get one, but now holidays are coming up and I got quite a bit of money to treat myself to a nice keyboard for my return to osu!.
Frizz
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Frizz
I'd totally get CM Storm QuickFire Rapid if they ever come with red switches.
Kert
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Kert
@Frizz:

Hm?
Frizz
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Joined April 2011
Frizz
Well last time I checked it they only came with Blue, Brown, and Black.
Sorun
234 posts
Joined October 2010
Sorun
Ordered a Blackwidow with blue switches a few days ago, I might make a thread on it if I feel it's worth mentioning when I get it. OP did you get a mech yet?
PhiLL A
PhiLL A
Why is osu! obsessed with Black Widows? Everything Razer (except maybe naga) is hella overpriced, very ricer and cheap build quality. You could get an awesome Filco for that price.
kriers
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kriers
I was mad at my blackwidow the other day and noticed a dusty filco majestouch tenkeyless redswitch right next to me.
Oh joy!
Sorun
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Joined October 2010
Sorun

MxG PhiLL wrote:

Why is osu! obsessed with Black Widows? Everything Razer (except maybe naga) is hella overpriced, very ricer and cheap build quality. You could get an awesome Filco for that price.
Blackwidow is only $70 so it's basically the best entry level mech keyboard for blues next to the CM Rapid fire which I was originally going to get, but amazon was out of stock.
PhiLL A
PhiLL A
How do you like reds, kriers? I think they might be better for streaming, but Keigo-san and Cookiezi both use blues, so I think I should just stick with blues. And yeah, the CM Rapids are probably better build quality. Rosewills can also be found in that price range and they are pretty good.
Fenek Alfa
185 posts
Joined April 2012
Fenek Alfa

MxG PhiLL wrote:

Why is osu! obsessed with Razer
THIS

I've bought a week ago an (A4Tech?) Bloody MulticoreV3 mouse. Similar in shape to the Deathadder, but with higher quality rubber on sides and a Holeless optic sensor.
And it costs 99zł instead of flipping 359zł!
I've set it to 1000DPI @ 1000Hz, and after an hour or so of getting used to it it works just as I want. Just see my rankings rise on my profile.



Back on topic, keyboards are mostly a personal preference. I for example would never buy blues, because they release the key higher than they register it. I'm looking to buying something with browns in near future.
Wishy
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Wishy

MxG PhiLL wrote:

Why is osu! obsessed with Black Widows? Everything Razer (except maybe naga) is hella overpriced, very ricer and cheap build quality. You could get an awesome Filco for that price.
I saw Filco keyboard in Japan and they are way more expensive than a Black Widow.

On Amazon.com:



Same prices on Ebay unless you got for used products + bidding.
kriers
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Joined April 2010
kriers

MxG PhiLL wrote:

How do you like reds, kriers? I think they might be better for streaming, but Keigo-san and Cookiezi both use blues, so I think I should just stick with blues. And yeah, the CM Rapids are probably better build quality. Rosewills can also be found in that price range and they are pretty good.
I can stream faster and more accurate at 180+ bpm with reds. I lose accuracy when playing slow stuff or alternating.
lolcubes
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lolcubes
You can get a red switch 6gv2 for 99$ on amazon. While BlackWidow is cheaper, I'd say it's still not worth the money in the long run.
6gv2 has metal plating below and is resistant to rage.
ztrot
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ztrot
sidewinder x4 is nice and only runs you 40$
PhiLL A
PhiLL A
Yeah sorry, Filcos are more expensive. I thought Blackwidows were 100 dollars. However, the Filcos have build quality a lot better than the Blackwidows and are worth investing in. If someone is looking for a mechanical keyboard which isn't that expensive, I would recommend maybe Rosewills, a 6GV2 or a DAS.
druidxd
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druidxd

lolcubes wrote:

You can get a red switch 6gv2 for 99$ on amazon. While BlackWidow is cheaper, I'd say it's still not worth the money in the long run.
6gv2 has metal plating below and is resistant to rage.
I didn't even know that a red switch 6gv2 existed, although in Argentina the 6gv2 it's already quite hard to find, I got mine with black switches, thought it was the only switch steelseries made keyboards with, still pretty damn good and heavy :B

BTW, blackwidows are not all the same, there's the basic version, the ultimate, and the new ultimate versions, ranging from low price to really overpriced (from U$ 80 to U$120-140. )
lolcubes
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lolcubes
Yeah 6gv2 is difficult to find here as well, however I guess amazon helps out a bit with their available shipping. :p
In regular hardware stores, good luck finding even regular black switch 6gv2, here. ._.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

lolcubes wrote:

Yeah 6gv2 is difficult to find here as well, however I guess amazon helps out a bit with their available shipping. :p
In regular hardware stores, good luck finding even regular black switch 6gv2, here. ._.
you won't find any mech kb in germany, unless it's the black widow ultimate. can't test switches because of that.

oh well
lolcubes
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lolcubes
Are you sure? I spoke to a german friend of mine and he actually ordered (and cancelled cause he changed his mind) a piece of 6GV2. :o
But yeah I guess that's not really "in person", so I have no idea now. :<
Fenek Alfa
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Fenek Alfa

Tanzklaue wrote:

lolcubes wrote:

Yeah 6gv2 is difficult to find here as well, however I guess amazon helps out a bit with their available shipping. :p
In regular hardware stores, good luck finding even regular black switch 6gv2, here. ._.
you won't find any mech kb in germany, unless it's the black widow ultimate. can't test switches because of that.

oh well
On this side of Oder we have BlackWidows, 6gv2s, 7gs and I've seen a G710+ pre-order. Thing is though, SteelSeries guys are idiots(139USD = 550PLN? Srsly?), and the Logitech is going to be 600PLN at best, so I'm not surprised people go for Razer(299PLN for the most basic model).
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

lolcubes wrote:

Are you sure? I spoke to a german friend of mine and he actually ordered (and cancelled cause he changed his mind) a piece of 6GV2. :o
But yeah I guess that's not really "in person", so I have no idea now. :<
you can get all of them online, somehow at least, but you can't test them.
Sorun
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Sorun
Should get my Blackwidow by Nov 13th estimated (lol free shipping) I'm also considering reds or blacks just because I have a bit of extra money.

Corsair k90 Red switches
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance ... l+keyboard

or

Steel series 6Gv2 Red switches (or black)
http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-6Gv2- ... l+keyboard

edit: or

K60
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance ... l+keyboard

Which one? Aesthetically I love the K60 the most. Anyone have any opinions on durability?
thelewa
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thelewa
Well, the 6gv2 has been advertised as being rage proof
Sorun
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Sorun
Deciding to go with a Filco as soon as amazon stocks up on the red
http://www.amazon.com/Filco-Majestouch- ... pd_cp_pc_0

Most keyboard geeks recommend it for durability and how easy it is to replace the key caps.


Oh man I can't wait to test these mechs, wondering if it will really improve my typing speed.

:!:

and my streaming :D
kriers
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kriers

lolcubes wrote:

Are you sure? I spoke to a german friend of mine and he actually ordered (and cancelled cause he changed his mind) a piece of 6GV2. :o
But yeah I guess that's not really "in person", so I have no idea now. :<
Kite was so close... :(
Pizzicato
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Pizzicato


it's also available on all switches. this keyboard is great.
it also feels like the blackwidow
Wishy
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Wishy

MxG PhiLL wrote:

Yeah sorry, Filcos are more expensive. I thought Blackwidows were 100 dollars. However, the Filcos have build quality a lot better than the Blackwidows and are worth investing in. If someone is looking for a mechanical keyboard which isn't that expensive, I would recommend maybe Rosewills, a 6GV2 or a DAS.
I was gonna buy a Filco@Japan actually, but after I saw how cheap a Black Widow was I was like meh, won't pay 80 extra bucks for this, not really that interested. Though to be honest after testing them all (in every version they got) I didn't really feel any difference from BW tbh, like yeah same switches.
thelewa
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thelewa
Well the typing feel of the mechanical keyboard is determined by what switches they use, and there are like 4 mainstream Cherry MX switches. So obviously typing on a Filco with blue switches feels exactly the same as typing on a Blackwidow.
Bweh
486 posts
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Bweh
Just how much difference does a mechanical keyboard make compared to a membrane keyboard?
jesse1412
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jesse1412

Brian OA wrote:

Just how much difference does a mechanical keyboard make compared to a membrane keyboard?
For me, loads. For others, none.

It depends on whether you like it and also depends on whether you use it to its limits.
Yarissa
587 posts
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Yarissa
It really depends on your budget and what you can afford. I could tell you a variety of keyboards i recommend all within a similar price range to the black widow, but if you're looking for something cheaper you're really gonna need to look for a steal.
Sorun
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Sorun
:!: :!: :!:

Got my Blackwidow today and my mind is blown! I didn't think a mech would make much of a difference, but I was WRONG REALLY WRONG!

Used the Hitspeed program and got a 243.7 bpm on my first try with it, i'm not even a active player atm and in my prime I only got 227. I did test with my old membrane again to compare and I only got a 201bpm!? I don't know what to say besides i'm never touching a membrane keyboard again. Also the click clack is amazing it's not much louder then my membrane, but the distinct clack it makes is pretty cool. On the negative side I am noticing my space bar is a bit sticky or it might be my imagination. I'm sure the mailman just throwing it up my staircase to my door didn't help with that much either.

I'm not even sure I want to try any other type of switch anymore, these blues have the perfect sound and amount of pressure needed to actuate the keys. Would reds be worth the try still? Also any tips from anyone on these blues? They feel absolutely great, but i'm making a bunch of typing errors.



VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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Frizz
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Frizz
I've been using blue switches for 6 months and the sound is still there :p
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf

BRBP wrote:

Frizz wrote:

I've been using blue switches for 6 months and the sound is still there :p
Then you're not using it properly, and might as well use any other keyboard.
Same here, but I like the sound, it's feels really good. I wish I could hear this sound for ever.

But now my parents hate me.
buny
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buny
I wish my keyboard raised my stream speed.
Frizz
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Frizz

BRBP wrote:

Frizz wrote:

I've been using blue switches for 6 months and the sound is still there :p
Then you're not using it properly, and might as well use any other keyboard.
Then how to use it properly? Please enlighten me with your glorious knowledge.
VoidnOwO
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PhiLL A
PhiLL A
The clicking noise is when it activates, not when you bottom out.
Wishy
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Wishy
If you can't feel any difference between a mech and a rubber then you should stop playing this game.

Btw, you guys do know that the "click" you hear is from the switch activation right? It may become less noisy but the switch sound is still there.
Frizz
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Frizz
That's something so-called "tactility", only happens on tactile switches like blues and browns. You'll feel the tactile click on actuation.
Linear switches like blacks and reds aren't. You won't feel any tactile click on actuation.

BRBP wrote:

Frizz wrote:

Then how to use it properly? Please enlighten me with your glorious knowledge.
1. Buy a mechanical, blue switch, keyboard
2. Learn how to type without pressing the key all the way down (what it's made for)
3.
4. Profit
Your argument is invalid. Blue switch is tactile and it'll produce that tactile click noise half-way through the bottom. Come back to me when you learn how to actuate the key on blues without producing that tactile click.
VoidnOwO
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Sorun
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Sorun
Meh my hands and accuracy has been suffering lately trying to get use to these blue switches, i'm so focused on not bottoming out that i'm not focusing on the map and holding back from bottoming out is fatiguing my hand. How long did it take you guys to get used to this? I thought I would have this down in a day haha. I think I might just like reds better then blue since i'm used to mashing my keyboard and I read the the pressure needed to actuate them is only 45g so there really light, 5g less then blues I believe.

Off-topic - Who else is picking up Black ops 2 tonight, getting ready to head out to target mid night release to pick up the vita and ps3 version.
buny
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buny

Sorun wrote:

Meh my hands and accuracy has been suffering lately trying to get use to these blue switches, i'm so focused on not bottoming out that i'm not focusing on the map and holding back from bottoming out is fatiguing my hand. How long did it take you guys to get used to this? I thought I would have this down in a day haha. I think I might just like reds better then blue since i'm used to mashing my keyboard and I read the the pressure needed to actuate them is only 45g so there really light, 5g less then blues I believe.

Off-topic - Who else is picking up Black ops 2 tonight, getting ready to head out to target mid night release to pick up the vita and ps3 version.
I hit my keys so hard that I broke my Z key.
Wishy
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Wishy
I hit my keys so hard my floor now has 2 holes with the exact size of my fingers.
Sorun
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Sorun
Hmmm so bottoming out not a bad thing?
enik
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enik
Just bought my BlackWidow today and it feels natural after a few hours of play. Honestly, I thought this tactile bump would be much more noticable but I don't feel anything special and just smash keys like on rubber dome keyboard. It still boosted my accuracy and stream skills a little, so yeah, don't think about bottoming out and just play like you used to.
Sorun
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Sorun

enik wrote:

Just bought my BlackWidow today and it feels natural after a few hours of play. Honestly, I thought this tactile bump would be much more noticable but I don't feel anything special and just smash keys like on rubber dome keyboard. It still boosted my accuracy and stream skills a little, so yeah, don't think about bottoming out and just play like you used to.
Don't you just love the tactile click? Honestly it's orgasmic on the ear. I guess ill just mash like my old membrane, I just thought I should try not bottoming out since some members advocated that.
enik
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enik

Sorun wrote:

Don't you just love the tactile click? Honestly it's orgasmic on the ear.
I don't even hear it in my headphones :o But my family definitely doesn't love it especially at night time lol.
edit: What I already noticed is that you can click keys way more rapid on mech keyboard so you don't have to check everytime "did I press enough fast/hard to hit this note or not". I guess the ability not to bottom out will come naturally out of it.
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buny
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buny
i cannot contest with wishy and his magical fingers
RaneFire
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RaneFire
I use my blackwidow like a piano, my arm doesn't rest on any surface, and the keyboard is fairly close to me too. Extending my arm slows down my stream speed :(

I smash the keys pretty hard and do a full "press and lift" key-press, even on slower streams. The key point I have noticed is consistency in using the same amount of force between both fingers, otherwise the 1 that hits harder slows the other down. (In my case, the middle finger, since it's longer and stronger.) Also I like building stamina no matter what stream speed it is lol... smashing at 150bpm.....

I found it easier to find the right 'force' by keeping my arm in the air. Dunno that anyone has actually talked about this before, is this ideal? I've had success at nailing 300's at 200-220 bpm much more consistently with this method.



As for keyboards: Anyone know if the coolermaster storm quickfire rapid (Browns) keyboard is any good for osu!? It seems to be 'okay priced' in my country, slightly cheaper than the blackwidow even. Brown switches seem to make a lot of sense too, light and tactile, and function a bit like reds.
Sorun
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Sorun

RaneFire wrote:

As for keyboards: Anyone know if the coolermaster storm quickfire rapid (Browns) keyboard is any good for osu!? It seems to be 'okay priced' in my country, slightly cheaper than the blackwidow even. Brown switches seem to make a lot of sense too, light and tactile, and function a bit like reds.
I've read a review on amazon about the CM quickfire rapid being significantly taller then most mechanical keyboards, so combined with how you hold your arm up this might be a plus for you.

Can anyone vouch for the CM quickfire rapid for osu! ? I like my blackwidow, but i'm looking for a keyboard that I can take around with me since I play osu! mostly on the go and most of all the CM is way more easy to replace the keycaps. I plan on buying a custom keycap set :3

So any osu! players actually play with a Cooler master storm quickfire rapid?
koromo
165 posts
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koromo

Sorun wrote:

Can anyone vouch for the CM quickfire rapid for osu! ? I like my blackwidow, but i'm looking for a keyboard that I can take around with me since I play osu! mostly on the go and most of all the CM is way more easy to replace the keycaps. I plan on buying a custom keycap set :3

So any osu! players actually play with a Cooler master storm quickfire rapid?

RaneFire wrote:

As for keyboards: Anyone know if the coolermaster storm quickfire rapid (Browns) keyboard is any good for osu!? It seems to be 'okay priced' in my country, slightly cheaper than the blackwidow even. Brown switches seem to make a lot of sense too, light and tactile, and function a bit like reds.
I am by no means a good osu! player, but I sure love my CM QuickFire Pro with browns. The Pro is pretty much the same as the Rapid, just not tenkeyless (meaning, mine has a numpad). I can't guarantee you'll like it, but it sure is exactly what I was looking for, at least.

To be honest, I'm surprised about browns being so rare around here, tactile feedback similar to blues but not as clicky/loud, and they're pretty light too.
Sorun
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Joined October 2010
Sorun

koromo wrote:

Sorun wrote:

Can anyone vouch for the CM quickfire rapid for osu! ? I like my blackwidow, but i'm looking for a keyboard that I can take around with me since I play osu! mostly on the go and most of all the CM is way more easy to replace the keycaps. I plan on buying a custom keycap set :3

So any osu! players actually play with a Cooler master storm quickfire rapid?

RaneFire wrote:

As for keyboards: Anyone know if the coolermaster storm quickfire rapid (Browns) keyboard is any good for osu!? It seems to be 'okay priced' in my country, slightly cheaper than the blackwidow even. Brown switches seem to make a lot of sense too, light and tactile, and function a bit like reds.
I am by no means a good osu! player, but I sure love my CM QuickFire Pro with browns. The Pro is pretty much the same as the Rapid, just not tenkeyless (meaning, mine has a numpad). I can't guarantee you'll like it, but it sure is exactly what I was looking for, at least.

To be honest, I'm surprised about browns being so rare around here, tactile feedback similar to blues but not as clicky/loud, and they're pretty light too.
I already ordered it haha, but your input is greatly appreciated!

2 day shipping and i'm looking for a keycap set for it :) I also noticed that you can buy sample switches of each color, looking into it right now. Planning on buying a mechanical numpad in blue then soldering on all the various key switches. Got the idea from that post earlier ;) It goes without saying i'm in a bit of a mechanical keyboard craze atm.

andddd Rank: #1,441 ... haha of course your a good player 0.0
RaneFire
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RaneFire
Haha extra switch samples! That's awesome! Thanks for feedback and info.

Does anyone else have problems like "ghost key presses" where you press "7" and a "b" pops up at the same time, or random double/triple key registers (not even the keys I use on a regular basis). I have this problem on my blackwidow but only once every blue moon.

Is this common on mech keyboards in general or do I just have a "defective one that I can't prove squat" situation. Razer is sticky about warranty replacements from what I hear... especially for something as tedious as this that doesn't really affect use, but just annoys me.
buny
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buny
Sounds like a defective keyboard.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
mech keyboards aren't known for ghosting. at least I don't know any.
Sorun
234 posts
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Sorun
I would return it now from wherever you bought it before attempting to RMA through razor, but definitely try to get a replacement. It might not happen so often now, but it could get much worse later on.
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