Mashley, keep in mind that there are advantages in claiming to have been shot when actually not having been shot. So basically Makar's question accomplishes nothing, even if he was scum (unless he knew he shot me in the first place)
forum
Bulletproof's Mafia 2 [Town Win] - Logic
posted
Total Posts
109
I should really think before I post something. The ideal scenario is for only one of the victims to claim, letting the doctor target them without giving extra information to the other scum.
How is asking who got shot such a horrible thing to ask?
If we know who got shot, or at least the number of people who got shot, the doctor will know if they succeed in protecting somebody. Of course with 1SK+1Mafia this doesn't help much until one of them are lynched I guess.
Well then again if mafia knows who SK shot and vice versa, they will know who has one life
I guess we can choose to keep everybody clueless or share everything, both have advantages and disadvantages now that I think about it :v
If we know who got shot, or at least the number of people who got shot, the doctor will know if they succeed in protecting somebody. Of course with 1SK+1Mafia this doesn't help much until one of them are lynched I guess.
Well then again if mafia knows who SK shot and vice versa, they will know who has one life
They pretty much already can, just keep track of their own kills. The same goes with the other role. This can cause problems at the end of the game, yes, but I think knowing will do more good than bad as long as we have a doctor.Mashley wrote:
I should really think before I post something. The ideal scenario is for only one of the victims to claim, letting the doctor target them without giving extra information to the other scum.
I guess we can choose to keep everybody clueless or share everything, both have advantages and disadvantages now that I think about it :v
Well for this setup, I'd make the argument that knowing less is (situationally) better. If no one claims that they've been shot or not, then the mafia and SK are forced to shoot the same target again (or switch targets in an effort to kill the doctor or other faction, or not kill anyone at all by hitting another bulletproof townie), giving us another day, and perhaps more time to lynch our mafia/sk. Of course, if you do claim that you've been shot or not (like me), then it literally tells us nothing (think about this.) Obviously last night, two different bulletproof townies were shot, due to no deaths, and obviously there's no need to massclaim because everyone would claim bulletproof townie.
And about the doctor point, the doctor can know if he protected someone without us claiming we've been shot.
And about the doctor point, the doctor can know if he protected someone without us claiming we've been shot.
Kanye West wrote:
Well for this setup, I'd make the argument that knowing less is (situationally) better. If no one claims that they've been shot or not, then the mafia and SK are forced to shoot the same target again (or switch targets in an effort to kill the doctor or other faction, or not kill anyone at all by hitting another bulletproof townie), giving us another day, and perhaps more time to lynch our mafia/sk. Of course, if you do claim that you've been shot or not (like me), then it literally tells us nothing (think about this.) Obviously last night, two different bulletproof townies were shot, due to no deaths, and obviously there's no need to massclaim because everyone would claim bulletproof townie.
And about the doctor point, the doctor can know if he protected someone without us claiming we've been shot.
Well I see what you mean now.
According to the role PM in the OP, it doesn't say anything about getting a notification, so what do you mean by that?
I actually think that mafia would claim that they got shot the first day so then to get them in a good position.
Not making a kill at night of course.
Not making a kill at night of course.
Which role do you mean that he didn't get notification?Makar wrote:
According to the role PM in the OP, it doesn't say anything about getting a notification, so what do you mean by that?
hm, I think it would have been better if neither BP claimed. IMO in a setup like this knowing who was hit doesn't really help us much except for verifying claims later in the game, while the mafia/SK would know if the doctor protected someone N0, and also who the other one targeted. Keep in mind that even though the doctor might get an idea of who to protect the mafia/SK can just use WIFOM.
Plus, that way, mafia/SK won't know until they target someone twice that they're being protected. On the other hand if the doctor protects Kanye they only need to target once, and plus Kanye could still be mafia as Nyquill said. I'm not sure but that might have potential to save more time than protecting Kanye outright.
I don't think Doctor receives a notification if they protect someone. mod: does Doctor receive a notification if they successfully protect someone?
in fact IMO the doctor should still consider protecting someone else. There's no real reason to protect Kanye outright, since that's just WIFOMMashley wrote:
The ideal scenario is for only one of the victims to claim, letting the doctor target them without giving extra information to the other scum.
Plus, that way, mafia/SK won't know until they target someone twice that they're being protected. On the other hand if the doctor protects Kanye they only need to target once, and plus Kanye could still be mafia as Nyquill said. I'm not sure but that might have potential to save more time than protecting Kanye outright.I don't think Doctor receives a notification if they protect someone. mod: does Doctor receive a notification if they successfully protect someone?
If no BP claims, both scum would most likely shoot their respective targets, while one claim could allow the doc to protect that person. Even if scum choose not to shoot the person that claimed, we still only lose one person compared to 2 if both choose not to claim.
But we know that all of us will claim as a BP. Claim : SK Ups... 
I don't know about claim about got a shot at night. For me it's giving history play. At least 2 people who claim got shot at same day, at least they almost likely not scum. And for the rest, it's up to doctor and scums.
I don't know about claim about got a shot at night. For me it's giving history play. At least 2 people who claim got shot at same day, at least they almost likely not scum. And for the rest, it's up to doctor and scums.
Topic Starter
No.pieguy1372 wrote:
mod: does Doctor receive a notification if they successfully protect someone?
im sorry i thought it was obviousJInxyjem wrote:
If no BP claims that they have been shot.
If we keep like this, we are not going anywhere and having no clue. Any idea to get some clues? Question sheet maybe?
RQS was an alternative to RVS that also pretty much fell flat too, and everyone here has played mafia before so it's not useful.
Anyone else have an idea for today?
Anyone else have an idea for today?
Crap that's right, the mafia could claim they got shot and then the two who actually got shot would assume that was the other victim... Yeah I'd say it's best that the bulletproofs just keep it concealed if they got hit unless they have to say for some reason. Thoughts on this, guys?pieguy1372 wrote:
There's no real reason to protect Kanye outright, since that's just WIFOM
Unvote for now I guess.
I find it unlikely that mafia would make such a silly mistake to claim shot after shooting someone else, since at that point those who have been shot SHOULD claim, and the mafia would be one of the 3 who claimed.
Sometimes mafia do silly mistakes. We should know when they do. 
Just wonder... Can a doctor protect a man that targeted by SK and mafia goon?
Just wonder... Can a doctor protect a man that targeted by SK and mafia goon?
Incase mod doesn't answer since its not really in the right format:Lincolm wrote:
Sometimes mafia do silly mistakes. We should know when they do.
Just wonder... Can a doctor protect a man that targeted by SK and mafia goon?
Mod: Can a doctor protect somebody who is shot by both mafia+sk?
Topic Starter
If you read the role PM, it says that the doctor can only protect against one nightkill, so no.Makar wrote:
Mod: Can a doctor protect somebody who is shot by both mafia+sk?
Is that all you're going to do?
One day left, and your random vote is going to end up lynching pieguy at the rate we're going
Does any one have any suggestion on what to do at all?
One day left, and your random vote is going to end up lynching pieguy at the rate we're going
Does any one have any suggestion on what to do at all?
At last! after 24 hours there is another post. 
For me, yes. If we keep going like this, inactive and just let the day flow on without any clue, it's better we gambling to know the mafia.
For me, yes. If we keep going like this, inactive and just let the day flow on without any clue, it's better we gambling to know the mafia.
Because we only have almost likely 17 hours, I just want to know before the day end what the others comment, so please comment.
Prod :
Kanye West
Nyquill
Makar
pieguy1372
Mashley
Prod :
Kanye West
Nyquill
Makar
pieguy1372
Mashley
oh great, sorry >< I've been so busy recently and didn't get a chance to post 
mod: extension please?
I'd post more but it's too late and I can't think > < I'll make a better post later
mod: extension please?
I'd post more but it's too late and I can't think > < I'll make a better post later
Topic Starter
Deadline is extended by one day.
Whoa, totally forgot I was in this game hahah
Lincolm: Why would you start a random vote? It seemed kind of late.
Lincolm: Why would you start a random vote? It seemed kind of late.
Well, Mashley start it first, not me, but he unvoted.
You know, I'm newbie for mafia. This my fourth game. I don't know but 2 days ago I saw many games started with RVS and completely better than do nothing. It give information about those people who townie. It's better to seek town than mafia right? I thought you all will give complain or accept about this RVS and give information better. Nah~
Unvoted
You know, I'm newbie for mafia. This my fourth game. I don't know but 2 days ago I saw many games started with RVS and completely better than do nothing. It give information about those people who townie. It's better to seek town than mafia right? I thought you all will give complain or accept about this RVS and give information better. Nah~
Unvoted
By the way, Vote : Mashley if he not comment anything again.
Mashley was quick to vote after I said something that could go both ways, but he probably just wasnt thinking.
Lincolm is just trying to get people to talk more it seems
Kanye's claim to be shot could go both ways
idk bro, this is a useless post .-.
Lincolm is just trying to get people to talk more it seems
Kanye's claim to be shot could go both ways
idk bro, this is a useless post .-.
just taking a quick look at the thread, Kanye could be either BP or mafia/SK, but I'm kind of leaning towards BP for some reason. Lincolm has been acting pro-town in general. Makar said something questionable, but I think it was just to start discussion. Same with Mashley. However, Nyquill has made just one post and JInxy has only made a few posts and hasn't contributed very much. So HoS: Nyquill, JInxyjem
in fact, I kind of think that making just one post is a bit less suspicious than making just a few posts. so for now I'll vote: JInxyjem
in fact, I kind of think that making just one post is a bit less suspicious than making just a few posts. so for now I'll vote: JInxyjem
Honestly, jinxy has been more pro-town than Nyquill
vote: Nyquill
vote: Nyquill
Could you explain this? This is the first time I've heard someone say this.pieguy1372 wrote:
in fact, I kind of think that making just one post is a bit less suspicious than making just a few posts. so for now I'll vote: JInxyjem
I'm trying to get really good in this certain other game so I totally forgot about this.
@JInxyjem, its called calculated lurking. Normally scum would probably try to come up with some bs to look town.
Day 1 in a game like this is a bunch of baseless guessing anyways, except I'm still thinking that scum's first thought would be to claim that they got shot in order to look pro-town. Its likely the first thing scum would come up with.
At the moment:
NO CLUE HOW LINCOLM BEHAVES WHEN HE IS SCUM SINCE HE HASN'T BEEN SCUM YET. No meta to tell anything.
pieguy's vote is a little more than his regular "gut feeling" that gets him killed when he is scum.
Makar looks more scum to me every single fucking day fuck
Kanye's null tell save for his claim that he got shot.
Quite honestly I'm inclined to vote kanye so I can get rid of the doubt of his claim. Claiming that you got shot day 1 is writing "I'M SCUM VOTE ME" all over yourself because of the attention you draw/doubt etc.
@JInxyjem, its called calculated lurking. Normally scum would probably try to come up with some bs to look town.
Day 1 in a game like this is a bunch of baseless guessing anyways, except I'm still thinking that scum's first thought would be to claim that they got shot in order to look pro-town. Its likely the first thing scum would come up with.
At the moment:
NO CLUE HOW LINCOLM BEHAVES WHEN HE IS SCUM SINCE HE HASN'T BEEN SCUM YET. No meta to tell anything.
pieguy's vote is a little more than his regular "gut feeling" that gets him killed when he is scum.
Makar looks more scum to me every single fucking day fuck
Mashley's null tellMakar wrote:
idk bro, this is a useless post .-.
Kanye's null tell save for his claim that he got shot.
Quite honestly I'm inclined to vote kanye so I can get rid of the doubt of his claim. Claiming that you got shot day 1 is writing "I'M SCUM VOTE ME" all over yourself because of the attention you draw/doubt etc.
I considered this before claiming. Honestly, why would scum WANT to draw this attention? Better to keep quiet. All I can tell you is, I am actually a townie and I actually did get shot. I think you're trying to deflect to me, my vote standsNyquill wrote:
Claiming that you got shot day 1 is writing "I'M SCUM VOTE ME" all over yourself because of the attention you draw/doubt etc.
Note how I wrote its the doubt I want to get rid of. Why leave wifom where it stands?
And seriously though it makes little to no difference for an actual BP to claim that they got shot. As scum however, that is a different story altogether.
And seriously though it makes little to no difference for an actual BP to claim that they got shot. As scum however, that is a different story altogether.
pieguy1372 wrote:
in fact, I kind of think that making just one post is a bit less suspicious than making just a few posts.
@Pieguy, can you tell me why I been like acting pro-town? Because in fact with that statement I'm the most suspicious. As I read that statement, more posts more suspicious.Nyquill wrote:
JInxyjem, its called calculated lurking. Normally scum would probably try to come up with some bs to look town.
But yes, I try to act pro-town.
I don't know this as excess or deficiency.Nyquill wrote:
NO CLUE HOW LINCOLM BEHAVES WHEN HE IS SCUM SINCE HE HASN'T BEEN SCUM YET.
However, I hope I get that rule too so I have better experience in mafia. You all know what I mean.
So this is why I vote Mashley :
His reason vote Makar seems contrived.
Almost likely finding the townies by roleclaim is the most common sense in mafia. It's neutral if you ask who have been shot, townie and scums have think of this. I prefer you vote me.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT:
Mashley (1) - Lincolm
Nyquill (1) - Kanye West
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Not Voting (5) - JInxyjem, Nyquill, Makar, pieguy1372, Mashley
Mashley has been lynched.
The group decided to go kill off the person who first found the body.
After all, it was convenient to "find" the body if you were the killer.
Unfortunately for them this wasn't the case...
The deaths would continue.
Mashley - Town One-Shot Bulletproof - Lynched D1
IT IS NOW NIGHT 1.
PLEASE SEND YOUR ACTIONS WITHIN 24 HOURS.
Mashley (1) - Lincolm
Nyquill (1) - Kanye West
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Not Voting (5) - JInxyjem, Nyquill, Makar, pieguy1372, Mashley
Mashley has been lynched.
The group decided to go kill off the person who first found the body.
After all, it was convenient to "find" the body if you were the killer.
Unfortunately for them this wasn't the case...
The deaths would continue.
Mashley - Town One-Shot Bulletproof - Lynched D1
IT IS NOW NIGHT 1.
PLEASE SEND YOUR ACTIONS WITHIN 24 HOURS.
Topic Starter
Another storm of bullets quickly followed after Mashley's execution.
After the gunshots died down, they found another body.
JInxyjem lay on the ground after being shot by a bullet.
An inspection of his body revealed a dossier ordering him to silence any witnesses who saw the plane.
JInxyjem - Serial Killer - Killed N1
IT IS NOW DAY 2.
DEADLINE IS IN 96 HOURS.
After the gunshots died down, they found another body.
JInxyjem lay on the ground after being shot by a bullet.
An inspection of his body revealed a dossier ordering him to silence any witnesses who saw the plane.
JInxyjem - Serial Killer - Killed N1
IT IS NOW DAY 2.
DEADLINE IS IN 96 HOURS.
mornin'
eh you would think that kanye would be killed since he got shot already, unless thats what JInxyjem tried to do (or mafia expected doctor to protect kanye). We can see what happens next time I guess, assuming doctor doesn't protect... Then again mafia could do nothing to paint him fuuuu
any ideas?
eh you would think that kanye would be killed since he got shot already, unless thats what JInxyjem tried to do (or mafia expected doctor to protect kanye). We can see what happens next time I guess, assuming doctor doesn't protect... Then again mafia could do nothing to paint him fuuuu
any ideas?
I really hoping this at Night 1.
At least now the mafia goon will seek the doctor.
At least now the mafia goon will seek the doctor.
Well the SK is gone, this gives us a lot more time to catch out the mafia
Possible scenarios for last night:
Most obvious case - Mafia shot jinxy, anticipating doctor to protect me and trying to hit doctor, jinxy shot me, and doctor protected me
Most likely case - Mafia shot jinxy, jinxy shot another BPT (trying to hit doc), doc protected me or someone else (1 BPT loses BP)
Least likely case - Mafia shot jinxy, jinxy shot a BPT, and doc protected the same BP that jinxy shot (BPT still BP)
If the killers were good mafia players (which I know Jinxy is), they would both ignore me and try to hit the doctor. Basically we could have anywhere from 0-2 remaining bulletproofs at this point, depending on who the doctor protected.
Also, we can get a good idea on the mafia's train of thought in shooting Jinxy. Somehow, mafia thought Jinxy was the doctor, which caused him to change from his original BPT target. More on this after I read Jinxy's posts.
So, based on these cases, we should get an idea on who the doctor protected without the doctor actually claiming. So question to town: If you lost your bulletproof last night, I think now would be a good time to come forward.
Possible scenarios for last night:
Most obvious case - Mafia shot jinxy, anticipating doctor to protect me and trying to hit doctor, jinxy shot me, and doctor protected me
Most likely case - Mafia shot jinxy, jinxy shot another BPT (trying to hit doc), doc protected me or someone else (1 BPT loses BP)
Least likely case - Mafia shot jinxy, jinxy shot a BPT, and doc protected the same BP that jinxy shot (BPT still BP)
If the killers were good mafia players (which I know Jinxy is), they would both ignore me and try to hit the doctor. Basically we could have anywhere from 0-2 remaining bulletproofs at this point, depending on who the doctor protected.
Also, we can get a good idea on the mafia's train of thought in shooting Jinxy. Somehow, mafia thought Jinxy was the doctor, which caused him to change from his original BPT target. More on this after I read Jinxy's posts.
So, based on these cases, we should get an idea on who the doctor protected without the doctor actually claiming. So question to town: If you lost your bulletproof last night, I think now would be a good time to come forward.
So you are saying even though Jinxy was killed his shot was still performed?
Mod: Will the SK's target still be shot even if they are killed on the same night?
well I do agree with Kanye due to the fact we only have one killer now. If doctor knows who was "shot" and when, he/she might be able to provide more information based on who they know was protected.
Mod: Will the SK's target still be shot even if they are killed on the same night?
well I do agree with Kanye due to the fact we only have one killer now. If doctor knows who was "shot" and when, he/she might be able to provide more information based on who they know was protected.
My thoughts exactly.Kanye West wrote:
So, based on these cases, we should get an idea on who the doctor protected without the doctor actually claiming. So question to town: If you lost your bulletproof last night, I think now would be a good time to come forward.
I was shot last night.
I guess that answers my question.Nyquill wrote:
My thoughts exactly.Kanye West wrote:
So, based on these cases, we should get an idea on who the doctor protected without the doctor actually claiming. So question to town: If you lost your bulletproof last night, I think now would be a good time to come forward.
I was shot last night.
I assumed yes, if mod can confirm, that would be nice.Makar wrote:
So you are saying even though Jinxy was killed his shot was still performed?
Mod: Will the SK's target still be shot even if they are killed on the same night?
Well, that was lucky 0.0
my best guess is that mafia/SK was trying to hit the doctor, which IMO would point to Kanye since he said JInxy was more pro-town back on D1, and away from Nyquill for agreeing with the point about calculated lurking. Then we just have to consider Lincolm and Makar, but IMO it seems neither one has any specific reason for killing JInxy. Then again deaths are WIFOM so that really doesn't tell us much
I'm honestly not very sure what to do. At least we know the doctor didn't successfully protect anyone N1, whether Nyquill is hit or mafia.
my best guess is that mafia/SK was trying to hit the doctor, which IMO would point to Kanye since he said JInxy was more pro-town back on D1, and away from Nyquill for agreeing with the point about calculated lurking. Then we just have to consider Lincolm and Makar, but IMO it seems neither one has any specific reason for killing JInxy. Then again deaths are WIFOM so that really doesn't tell us much
I'm honestly not very sure what to do. At least we know the doctor didn't successfully protect anyone N1, whether Nyquill is hit or mafia.
We already know for a fact that both the mafia and Jinxy were trying to go for the doctor, because we had one death and one (alleged) loss of a bulletproof. Mafia followed my pro-town read on Jinxy (lol) and shot him, but he ended up being the SK. Meanwhile, Jinxy decided against my advice and (supposedly) shot Nyquill, who I said was less pro-town, and if Nyquill is actually town, he's not bulletproof now. But then again it's completely possible for him to claim shot to cover himself, but seeing how no one else claimed shot, we don't really know for sure.
Makar seems to be playing much more actively, as opposed to his previously cautious, passive style, which leads me to believe he's either changing his playstyle or playing as if he has something to lose now.
I don't really know much about Lincolm's or pieguy's metas so those are null reads.
Makar seems to be playing much more actively, as opposed to his previously cautious, passive style, which leads me to believe he's either changing his playstyle or playing as if he has something to lose now.
I don't really know much about Lincolm's or pieguy's metas so those are null reads.
I just realized that mashley died without saying anything about his bulletproof status, so we can't even ask the second person who got shot that day to come forward since scum would have a chance of knowing who got shot and it may have been mashley.
So in the case we have Kanye - Nyquill - Mashley (as what Nyquill said above) as BP who got shot.
And the other still not trusted. 5 people alive, 2 as BPs, the rest 1BP, 1 doctor, and 1 mafia.
Roleclaim : Doctor
And the other still not trusted. 5 people alive, 2 as BPs, the rest 1BP, 1 doctor, and 1 mafia.
Roleclaim : Doctor
...what
Vote: Lincolm
I CC doctor.
I'm not sure if I should say what my targets were yet, since they might be used for Lincolm's advantage (need to think on this, I'm really confused atm).
In any case, I think even if I get lynched and I really am doctor, it will prove Lincolm as mafia. I don't understand why you would fakeclaim, Lincolm, do you not realize its not mylo? Or am I just not seeing something here?
Vote: Lincolm
I CC doctor.
I'm not sure if I should say what my targets were yet, since they might be used for Lincolm's advantage (need to think on this, I'm really confused atm).
In any case, I think even if I get lynched and I really am doctor, it will prove Lincolm as mafia. I don't understand why you would fakeclaim, Lincolm, do you not realize its not mylo? Or am I just not seeing something here?
God one of you is either incredibly stupid for claiming doc as BP or just bad scum
Regardless, I think we can say Nyquill's claim is true now
I'm actually inclined to believe Makar over Lincolm as doc, go back through and read Makar's posts during D1.
and even if Lincolm flips doctor, we can turn around and lynch Makar the next day. Unless, like I said, one of you is really, really stupid and claimed doc as BPT.
vote Lincolm
Regardless, I think we can say Nyquill's claim is true now
I'm actually inclined to believe Makar over Lincolm as doc, go back through and read Makar's posts during D1.
and even if Lincolm flips doctor, we can turn around and lynch Makar the next day. Unless, like I said, one of you is really, really stupid and claimed doc as BPT.
vote Lincolm
Yap! I'm fakeclaim! I'm BP! (I already said in day 1 I'm pro town, seems no one realize)
This solve Pieguy is mafia!
Doctor will not claim as doctor right? I force the doctor to claim as doctor to know the pro-town.
Either way, you should know that I sacrifice myself to make town win. For day 3, please vote Pieguy. Good luck!
Vote : Pieguy
This solve Pieguy is mafia!
Doctor will not claim as doctor right? I force the doctor to claim as doctor to know the pro-town.
Either way, you should know that I sacrifice myself to make town win. For day 3, please vote Pieguy. Good luck!
Vote : Pieguy
err...what o_O
how does that make me mafia? Keep in mind if you're not mafia, either Nyquill or Kanye could have pulled that mafia gambit Nyquill pointed out D1 (not killing anyone and then claiming hit). Claiming hit doesn't instantly make someone town. Makar is telling the truth since you're obviously not doctor and he CC'ed, and I'm not mafia, so either you're mafia or one of them did pull that gambit.
how does that make me mafia? Keep in mind if you're not mafia, either Nyquill or Kanye could have pulled that mafia gambit Nyquill pointed out D1 (not killing anyone and then claiming hit). Claiming hit doesn't instantly make someone town. Makar is telling the truth since you're obviously not doctor and he CC'ed, and I'm not mafia, so either you're mafia or one of them did pull that gambit.
That's the worst scenario.
Before of it, we need to know the answer of this.
You can see the reaction of Mashley. The common sense of people think are asking who got shot, but he denial it, almost likely he got shot at N0 so he double check what he thought of.
And Kanye got shot at N0. Seems need Makar as doctor to confirm.
Do you ever success protect someone Makar?
As we know pro-town who got shot are Kanye - Nyquill - Mashley (not 100% sure, but almost likely yes), in total night are 2, which 4 people got shot (Jinx also)
If no, That's mean all of them 100% pro-town. If yes, please tell when you success, the mafia gambit.
I do this because I know this, and force the doctor to claim as doctor, but sorry Makar, I think you will get killed at N2.
Before of it, we need to know the answer of this.
If yes, Nyquill are positively pro-town.Makar wrote:
Mod: Will the SK's target still be shot even if they are killed on the same night?
You can see the reaction of Mashley. The common sense of people think are asking who got shot, but he denial it, almost likely he got shot at N0 so he double check what he thought of.
And Kanye got shot at N0. Seems need Makar as doctor to confirm.
Do you ever success protect someone Makar?
As we know pro-town who got shot are Kanye - Nyquill - Mashley (not 100% sure, but almost likely yes), in total night are 2, which 4 people got shot (Jinx also)
If no, That's mean all of them 100% pro-town. If yes, please tell when you success, the mafia gambit.
I do this because I know this, and force the doctor to claim as doctor, but sorry Makar, I think you will get killed at N2.
oh you're right, most of the time kills happen simultaneously, so I the SK's target would still be killed (so, since mafia shot SK, Nyquill was hit, and thus is town, unless SK shot no one, which doesn't make any sense)Lincolm wrote:
If yes, Nyquill are positively pro-town.
the problem is now we know who the doctor is, and I would assume doctors can't self-protect, so seems the doctor will die N2 now. >< Basically all you did was force the doctor to claim, which easily could have waited until he was going to be lynched. This seems highly suspicious IMO. (Not voting since that would be a hammer vote and it would stop discussion)
Well, everything you said right. Highly suspicious, right? Why not lynch me instead? Really, lynch me prove everything. 
Waiting until Nyquill and Makar post.
Sorry, I might be missing something, but how did kanye disappear from that equation entirely?
Okay, we can confirm Nyquill as a true BPT. If he were scum, he would have hammered in Lincolm, and Makar is basically confirmed doctor.
unvote
Lincolm: are you still bulletproof?
You'll see. I have a plan.Nyquill wrote:
Sorry, I might be missing something, but how did kanye disappear from that equation entirely?
unvote
Lincolm: are you still bulletproof?
Okay
N0 - Protected Nyquill
N1 - Protected pieguy
So yeah, I failed to protect anybody.
Kanye seems town to me, based on his great contribution so far
Nyquill seems town to me, based on his claim to be shot (also need mod reply first)
Lincolm is confusing me. I kinda think he is town now. Of course this could be his plan in the first place, but he seems really okay with him being lynched.
pieguy has nothing to prove he is town or mafia besides what lincolm did.
Btw Lincolm, you could of just asked doctor to claim after explaining the circumstances. I was thinking of revealing my role already due to the high chance of getting killed at night already. Either way you would be FoS'd though
unvote for safety
N0 - Protected Nyquill
N1 - Protected pieguy
So yeah, I failed to protect anybody.
Kanye seems town to me, based on his great contribution so far
Nyquill seems town to me, based on his claim to be shot (also need mod reply first)
Lincolm is confusing me. I kinda think he is town now. Of course this could be his plan in the first place, but he seems really okay with him being lynched.
pieguy has nothing to prove he is town or mafia besides what lincolm did.
Btw Lincolm, you could of just asked doctor to claim after explaining the circumstances. I was thinking of revealing my role already due to the high chance of getting killed at night already. Either way you would be FoS'd though
unvote for safety
As I think, not everyone want to claim doctor. I suspect you and p
ieguy so I prefer force it.
If I were mafia, I would not easily claim got shot until I know everybody not claim it. So, I delete Kanye.
Yes, I still bulletproof.
ieguy so I prefer force it.
If I were mafia, I would not easily claim got shot until I know everybody not claim it. So, I delete Kanye.
Yes, I still bulletproof.
I want to trust Lincolm as town then. It really would be idiotic to claim Doctor as mafia.
why couldn't Kanye just shoot no one and then only claim when asked? In other words, the same gambit Nyquill mentioned.Lincolm wrote:
If I were mafia, I would not easily claim got shot until I know everybody not claim it. So, I delete Kanye.
Okay since Lincolm claimedl bulletproof, it would make little to no sense to lynch him today.
Pieguy, what kind of mafia would
1. Not shoot N0 in a setup with all bulletproof townies
and 2. claim shot the next day?
You'd have to be psychic to pull that off and let the game play out as it is now. The more obvious situation here is that Lincolm (brilliantly) fakeclaimed doc to know who the real doc is, so he could use process of elimination to find the remaining scum. Consequently, Nyquill's and Makar's claims also check out and point straight to you.
vote pieguy
And even if he flips town, I think Lincolm realizes he's in trouble anyways (risky move for mafia) so I'm pretty sure he's town. I also believe Nyquill and/or Mashley was the second target N0, but Mashley is dead and Nyquill was protected by Makar and therefore did not lose his BP until N1. Basically everyone checks out but me, and like I said, I'm no psychic but I'll be damned if pieguy's not mafia.
Pieguy, what kind of mafia would
1. Not shoot N0 in a setup with all bulletproof townies
and 2. claim shot the next day?
You'd have to be psychic to pull that off and let the game play out as it is now. The more obvious situation here is that Lincolm (brilliantly) fakeclaimed doc to know who the real doc is, so he could use process of elimination to find the remaining scum. Consequently, Nyquill's and Makar's claims also check out and point straight to you.
vote pieguy
And even if he flips town, I think Lincolm realizes he's in trouble anyways (risky move for mafia) so I'm pretty sure he's town. I also believe Nyquill and/or Mashley was the second target N0, but Mashley is dead and Nyquill was protected by Makar and therefore did not lose his BP until N1. Basically everyone checks out but me, and like I said, I'm no psychic but I'll be damned if pieguy's not mafia.
1. Not shoot N0 in a setup with all bulletproof towniesnot the next day, necessarily. The whole point would be to have a "conveniently" missing kill so that you could claim BP at any given point without a massclaim screwing it up. In this case, if you are mafia and you did that, it so happened to be the first day.
and 2. claim shot the next day?
I think Lincolm realizes he's in trouble anyways (risky move for mafia) so I'm pretty sure he's town.this is really just WIFOM. Theoretically he could have done that as either mafia or town.
I'm just wondering,
I also believe Nyquill and/or Mashley was the second target N0, but Mashley is dead and Nyquill was protected by Makar and therefore did not lose his BP until N1.where did you get this from? The second target might have just not claimed in case the mafia wasn't the one who killed him/her N0. That way the mafia would have less information.
I'm not sure if you're mafia or if you just overlooked all these things. I'm still suspicious of Lincolm but IMO this seems like quite a lot of things to "overlook". I'm also wondering where you just came up with who the second target was, since I can't see any reason behind that.
Topic Starter
Yes.Makar wrote:
Mod: Will the SK's target still be shot even if they are killed on the same night?
Theoretically, this is 100% right. I have thought about this too when I fakeclaim, and I still don't mind being lynched if in the next day it's clear who the mafia. I cannot prove myself as BP, I just claim as pro-town in D1 and BP in D2. For myself, it was hard to not got shot even once, so I started to become jester.pieguy1372 wrote:
this is really just WIFOM. Theoretically he could have done that as either mafia or town.Kanye West wrote:
I think Lincolm realizes he's in trouble anyways (risky move for mafia) so I'm pretty sure he's town.
All of this game will be overlooked. You don't know when the mafia stop and when the "crazy" townie stop also. All I can said, I already stop my gambit.pieguy1372 wrote:
I'm still suspicious of Lincolm but IMO this seems like quite a lot of things to "overlook".
To know how I thought my gambit : (Well, this is my last defense as pro-town)
I fakeclaim as Doctor so the continuation is 2 options , the doctor CC and not. If the doctor CC, I would vote the only one who not clear the role, in this case is you, pieguy. If the doctor not CC, I will try to defense myself in D2, so the mafia will targeted me in N2. This is risky when the doctor not CC, I almost likely cannot defense myself and get lynched in D2, and the rest on doctor's hand because he the only one know he is a doctor.The result, this gambit is almost likely not be done by scum. Like what Makar said. It really would be idiotic to claim Doctor as mafia.
I try to write up the note to help up :
Makar - Doctor
Nyquill -
Lincolm - BPTownie ?
Kanye West -
pieguy1372 - BPTownie ?
Anyway pieguy, after all of this I don't see you try to defense yourself. For me, you try to destroy the analyzes without defense result, but "who is scummy" result and it not delete you from suspected. It's 99% you are scum because you don't think like townie.
@pieguy. if you're so suspicious of lincolm, why aren't you voting him? Its day 2 with a free lynch and you're the prime candidate for it atm. We still have around 72 hours here guys btw.
@pieguy. if you're so suspicious of lincolm, why aren't you voting him? Its day 2 with a free lynch and you're the prime candidate for it atm. We still have around 72 hours here guys btw.Before Kanye unvoted it would have been a hammer vote and I didn't want to end discussion. ><
I have thought about this too when I fakeclaim, and I still don't mind being lynched if in the next day it's clear who the mafia.Kanye could still be mafia though. If he did pull that gambit, which is easier than I think you think it is, and then we lynch me and then you (or you and then me) then we're screwed.
Anyway pieguy, after all of this I don't see you try to defense yourself. For me, you try to destroy the analyzes without defense result, but "who is scummy" result and it not delete you from suspected. It's 99% you are scum because you don't think like townie.that's because your logic is flawed to begin with
you're accusing me because I'm the only one left, but I'm certainly not. Since it's off that's really the only defense I can give.After reading the thread again I'm actually quite suspicious of Kanye. First he said mafia would try to hit the doctor. Then he accused me of being mafia, but keep in mind I accused JInxy D1 of being mafia/SK and also voted him, so I obviously didn't think JInxy was the doctor. He's also said things that aren't necessarily true, e.g. this
Okay, we can confirm Nyquill as a true BPT. If he were scum, he would have hammered in Lincolm, and Makar is basically confirmed doctor.this is clearly WIFOM. It seems like Kanye is just going with the most obvious possibility each time and just trying to go along with what everyone else says. so vote: Kanye West
Because clearly you wanted to cover yourself rather than hammer in someone you know to be town. Smart scum move.@pieguy. if you're so suspicious of lincolm, why aren't you voting him? Its day 2 with a free lynch and you're the prime candidate for it atm. We still have around 72 hours here guys btw.Before Kanye unvoted it would have been a hammer vote and I didn't want to end discussion. ><
You're right, this is possible and I am in no way confirmed, and neither is Lincolm. But, if you look at our previous posts, both me and him have been actively contributing since D1, while you have been nonchalant up until Lincolm FoS'd you. Also, you never CC'd Lincolm, so it's almost like you're admitting you're not town.I have thought about this too when I fakeclaim, and I still don't mind being lynched if in the next day it's clear who the mafia.Kanye could still be mafia though. If he did pull that gambit, which is easier than I think you think it is, and then we lynch me and then you (or you and then me) then we're screwed.
His logic is actually sound, provided that he himself isn't scum. You truly are the only one left, as I'll explain later below.Anyway pieguy, after all of this I don't see you try to defense yourself. For me, you try to destroy the analyzes without defense result, but "who is scummy" result and it not delete you from suspected. It's 99% you are scum because you don't think like townie.that's because your logic is flawed to begin with
After reading the thread again I'm actually quite suspicious of Kanye. First he said mafia would try to hit the doctor. Then he accused me of being mafia, but keep in mind I accused JInxy D1 of being mafia/SK and also voted him, so I obviously didn't think JInxy was the doctor. He's also said things that aren't necessarily true, e.g. thisAs mafia, hitting the SK is actually good for you, as you eliminate your only threat at night, as well as an entire faction. If you thought Jinxy was SK, then as mafia, it would make perfect sense to go after him before he does the same to you.
The reason I believed Nyquill to be town originally was because his shot claim and Makar's protection pattern coincided. His claim could be convenient as scum but the fact that he didn't hammer and instead decided to question Lincolm's lynch and now your lynch as well makes him fairly pro-town.Okay, we can confirm Nyquill as a true BPT. If he were scum, he would have hammered in Lincolm, and Makar is basically confirmed doctor.this is clearly WIFOM. It seems like Kanye is just going with the most obvious possibility each time and just trying to go along with what everyone else says. so vote: Kanye West
So as I was saying earlier, now our possibilities are, you're scum, Lincolm pulled a crazy gambit by claiming doc as scum and being CC'd, or I pulled a crazy gambit by not shooting N0. Which one seems the most reasonable?
I also find it really funny how you didn't vote for Lincolm even after I unvoted, given that you said his "logic is flawed". If you really think this, then he should be obvscum to you, but instead you vote for me on a whim because you think I pulled some impossible gambit N0 and decided not to shoot with 4 bulletproofs? This just seems like you're trying to deflect instead of actually trying to find scum (indicative of BEING scum).
Because clearly you wanted to cover yourself rather than hammer in someone you know to be town. Smart scum move.again it's WIFOM. But what's so different about this and what you said before?
first Nyquill doesn't hammer and that makes him not mafia, then I don't hammer and that makes me mafia. good goingKanye West wrote:
If he were scum, he would have hammered in Lincolm, and Makar is basically confirmed doctor.
You're right, this is possible and I am in no way confirmed, and neither is Lincolm. But, if you look at our previous posts, both me and him have been actively contributing since D1, while you have been nonchalant up until Lincolm FoS'd you. Also, you never CC'd Lincolm, so it's almost like you're admitting you're not town.er, what o_O
you haven't been much more active than me (keep in mind I was busy the last day of day 1 or so). Also, what was the point in CC'ing?
As mafia, hitting the SK is actually good for you, as you eliminate your only threat at night, as well as an entire faction. If you thought Jinxy was SK, then as mafia, it would make perfect sense to go after him before he does the same to you.true, but why didn't you point that out before?
This also goes with what I said about pointing out stuff that's wrong, as you said multiple times that "obviously" mafia/SK would try to shoot the doctor, and never said anything about them shooting each other.So as I was saying earlier, now our possibilities are, you're scum, Lincolm pulled a crazy gambit by claiming doc as scum and being CC'd, or I pulled a crazy gambit by not shooting N0. Which one seems the most reasonable?As I've mentioned multiple times, not killing anyone and claiming hit N0 is not at all a crazy gambit.
I also find it really funny how you didn't vote for Lincolm even after I unvoted, given that you said his "logic is flawed".
why would I?
If you really think this, then he should be obvscum to you, but instead you vote for me on a whim because you think I pulled some impossible gambit N0 and decided not to shoot with 4 bulletproofs? This just seems like you're trying to deflect instead of actually trying to find scum (indicative of BEING scum).it's not "impossible". You keep trying to make everyone think it's "impossible" but it's really not. Having all bulletproofs in fact is the whole point of the gambit. The point is to blend in and appear as a bulletproof who got hit.
It's impossible in the sense that not shooting would impede your victory condition as mafia by an entire night and thus stalling the game, making it more likely for town to catch you out. Why would a mafia impede his own progress just to drop suspicion for a day or so? And even then, it's completely unreasonable to expect to be hidden like this for the entire game, and this is what makes the gambit so risky.
I didn't point out the mafia/sk trying to shoot each other because, quite frankly, I didn't think about it due to the fact that I'm not mafia in the first place. Clearly you've given it some thought though, seeing how you believed Jinxy to be scum D1 followed by his death, which I think is more than coincidence.
Also, if you thought Lincolm's logic was flawed, then you basically think he's lying about who he is, and therefore scum. Meanwhile, you vote for me because you think I supposedly sent a null action N0 (stalling the victory condition and making the entire game riskier). So why are you voting for me over him, if you don't believe a darn word he's saying in the first place? To me, it seems like your voting pattern is erratic and is only serving to deflect.
If I weren't unsure that Lincolm wasn't pulling a crazy gambit as scum, I would be glad to get lynched today to flip town, confirming myself, and therefore lynch pieguy the next day. But, there's still the possibility of a gambit by Lincolm, and so we can't do this.
I didn't point out the mafia/sk trying to shoot each other because, quite frankly, I didn't think about it due to the fact that I'm not mafia in the first place. Clearly you've given it some thought though, seeing how you believed Jinxy to be scum D1 followed by his death, which I think is more than coincidence.
Also, if you thought Lincolm's logic was flawed, then you basically think he's lying about who he is, and therefore scum. Meanwhile, you vote for me because you think I supposedly sent a null action N0 (stalling the victory condition and making the entire game riskier). So why are you voting for me over him, if you don't believe a darn word he's saying in the first place? To me, it seems like your voting pattern is erratic and is only serving to deflect.
If I weren't unsure that Lincolm wasn't pulling a crazy gambit as scum, I would be glad to get lynched today to flip town, confirming myself, and therefore lynch pieguy the next day. But, there's still the possibility of a gambit by Lincolm, and so we can't do this.
It's impossible in the sense that not shooting would impede your victory condition as mafia by an entire night and thus stalling the game, making it more likely for town to catch you out. Why would a mafia impede his own progress just to drop suspicion for a day or so? And even then, it's completely unreasonable to expect to be hidden like this for the entire game, and this is what makes the gambit so risky.such a gambit would certainly work for more than a day IMO. It would help a lot especially in the case of a mass claim, or to make the SK target someone else. The point is this gambit is a lot more powerful than you're trying to make it seem.
Clearly you've given it some thought though, seeing how you believed Jinxy to be scum D1 followed by his death, which I think is more than coincidence.Again with making an assumption that's not true? In fact, the only thing that called it to my attention was you posting it. Deaths are all WIFOM, so I could just as easily say you killed JInxy to make me look suspicious.
Also, if you thought Lincolm's logic was flawed, then you basically think he's lying about who he is, and therefore scum. Meanwhile, you vote for me because you think I supposedly sent a null action N0 (stalling the victory condition and making the entire game riskier). So why are you voting for me over him, if you don't believe a darn word he's saying in the first place?TBH to me, after thinking about it more, it seemed more like Lincolm just overlooked the problem with his logic to begin with. He could still be lying about who he is, but after thinking about it more it seems less likely to me. Having a problem with logic != disbelieving every single thing. I can see more things objectively wrong with the way you're acting, though, thus I voted you over him.
Long post you guys make. Really need a time for that.
By the way, Makar and Nyquill, can you keep your vote please? Let's make the day end when it's time, and please make your analyze too. RQS also if you like.
Pieguy, what I want hear from you seems too late to say.
Anyway, I don't know why but seems you don't like WIFOM. I like Wine, but I never drink it.
By the way, Makar and Nyquill, can you keep your vote please? Let's make the day end when it's time, and please make your analyze too. RQS also if you like.
Pieguy, what I want hear from you seems too late to say.
pieguy1372 wrote:
Before Kanye unvoted it would have been a hammer vote and I didn't want to end discussion. ><
Really, I want hear this from you when they still vote me. It just ridiculous you don't remember what you wrote.pieguy1372 wrote:
Keep in mind I accused JInxy D1 of being mafia/SK and also voted him, so I obviously didn't think JInxy was the doctor. He's also said things that aren't necessarily true, e.g. this
I never said your analyze wrong. I keep it in my mind. If I fell it's wrong, I will counter it. I just cannot stop quote your words.pieguy1372 wrote:
It seemed more like Lincolm just overlooked the problem with his logic to begin with. He could still be lying about who he is, but after thinking about it more it seems less likely to me. Having a problem with logic != disbelieving every single thing.
Anyway, I don't know why but seems you don't like WIFOM. I like Wine
where is everyone?
mod: another extension? ._.//
mod: another extension? ._.//
It just ridiculous you don't remember what you wrote.I'm not sure what you mean by this o.o
Topic Starter
Deadline has been extended by 24 hours.
This the only extension I will give today.
This the only extension I will give today.
Sorry I have bad English.pieguy1372 wrote:
It just ridiculous you don't remember what you wrote.I'm not sure what you mean by this o.o
Well, you posted this :
I don't know why you forgot about this. This is the best defense you can have, but for me it seems too late.pieguy1372 wrote:
in fact, I kind of think that making just one post is a bit less suspicious than making just a few posts. so for now I'll vote: JInxyjem
By the way, I really want to know what Makar and Nyquill said.
Prod :
Makar
Nyquill
where did I forget it? o.o
Sorry, I really dont know much to say. From what I read, it's seems pieguy is mafia, but if he isn't then there will be a lot of talk about kanye/lincolm :v
Day 2 doesnt seem to be going anywhere anymore so Vote: pieguy
Day 2 doesnt seem to be going anywhere anymore so Vote: pieguy
You don't say it until Nyquill ask you. I assume you forget it. You should said it earlier for your defense if you remember it.pieguy1372 wrote:
where did I forget it? o.o
Based on my experience, the most suspicious in my sight always be townie... damn for this...Makar wrote:
Sorry, I really dont know much to say. From what I read, it's seems pieguy is mafia, but if he isn't then there will be a lot of talk about kanye/lincolm :v
That's why I hope pieguy can defense himself.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT:
pieguy1372 (3) - Lincolm, Kanye West, Makar
Kanye West (1) - pieguy1372
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Not Voting (1) - Nyquill
pieguy1372 has been lynched.
After a long day, the group decided to lynch pieguy.
This was after a long discussion about their medic.
When he was killed, and his body searched, they discovered an enemy pistol on him.
As the remaining members, retreated from the plane, they were sure to carry the "intelligence" suitcase with them.
pieguy1372 - Mafia Goon - Lynched D2
TOWN WIN!
pieguy1372 (3) - Lincolm, Kanye West, Makar
Kanye West (1) - pieguy1372
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Not Voting (1) - Nyquill
pieguy1372 has been lynched.
After a long day, the group decided to lynch pieguy.
This was after a long discussion about their medic.
When he was killed, and his body searched, they discovered an enemy pistol on him.
As the remaining members, retreated from the plane, they were sure to carry the "intelligence" suitcase with them.
pieguy1372 - Mafia Goon - Lynched D2
TOWN WIN!
Topic Starter
Roles
1. Lincolm - One-Shot Bulletproof
2. JInxyjem - Serial Killer
3. Kanye West - One-Shot Bulletproof
4. Nyquill - One-Shot Bulletproof
5. Makar - Doctor
6. pieguy1372 - Mafia Goon
7. Mashley - One-Shot Bulletproof
2. JInxyjem - Serial Killer
3. Kanye West - One-Shot Bulletproof
4. Nyquill - One-Shot Bulletproof
5. Makar - Doctor
6. pieguy1372 - Mafia Goon
7. Mashley - One-Shot Bulletproof
Actions
N0:
Makar protects Nyquill
pieguy1372 shoots Kanye West
JInxyjem shoots Nyquill
N1:
Makar protects pieguy1372
pieguy1372 shoots JInxyjem
JInxyjem shoots Nyquill
Makar protects Nyquill
pieguy1372 shoots Kanye West
JInxyjem shoots Nyquill
N1:
Makar protects pieguy1372
pieguy1372 shoots JInxyjem
JInxyjem shoots Nyquill
Comments:
Wow... I can't wait to see how Lincolm will play as non-Town. XD
grats and GG
In fact I was trying to kill the serial killer first. But if I were town I would probably have posted the exact same thing about Kanye's logic at the end, rofl.
In fact I was trying to kill the serial killer first. But if I were town I would probably have posted the exact same thing about Kanye's logic at the end, rofl.
Bleh Nyquill got protected N0, some luck
I'm very bad at lying. Please keep use random.org for the role.NoHitter wrote:
Comments:
Wow... I can't wait to see how Lincolm will play as non-Town. XD
GG too. You almost broke my constancy. It's hard to maintain it.pieguy1372 wrote:
grats and GG
In fact I was trying to kill the serial killer first. But if I were town I would probably have posted the exact same thing about Kanye's logic at the end, rofl.
Killing SK first totally benefits, but I prefer kill it in N2 because town expect one of you died too, but the risk killed by SK up too. SK and Mafia don't want get Prisoner's Gambit right?
I wonder why you shot Nyquill again in N1.JInxyjem wrote:
Bleh Nyquill got protected N0, some luck
Thanks to Makar, your vote really relieve me.
Sorry for Mashley, you should said something.
I didn't know Nyquill was protected and assumed he hid the fact that he was shot.
My idea was to finish up my kills, because if I jump around too much and in the chance of a massclaim, I will be singled out for not being shot
My idea was to finish up my kills, because if I jump around too much and in the chance of a massclaim, I will be singled out for not being shot
Good point you have in there. Unfortunately the mafia already find you.JInxyjem wrote:
I didn't know Nyquill was protected and assumed he hid the fact that he was shot.
My idea was to finish up my kills, because if I jump around too much and in the chance of a massclaim, I will be singled out for not being shot
Nothing to say but Logic.
Nyquill wrote:
Logic
gg Lincolm, gg
Lincolm MVP
Topic Starter
DW Lincolm. I always use Random.org.