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Bulletproof's Mafia 2 [Town Win] - Logic

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NoHitter
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Bulletproof's Mafia 2

Set-up:
1 - Mafia Goon
1 - Serial Killer
4 - One-Shot Bulletproof Townies
1 - Doctor

Specifics:
This game starts at Night.
Bulletproof Townies will be notified if they get shot at.
The set-up can be shortened to 5 players by removing two bulletproofs.

Alive:
1. Lincolm
3. Kanye West
4. Nyquill
5. Makar

Dead:
7. Mashley - Town One-Shot Bulletproof - Lynched D1
2. JInxyjem - Serial Killer - Killed N1
6. pieguy1372 - Mafia Goon - Lynched D2

Replacements:
1. DeathxShinigami

Role PMs:
Mafia Goon

Mafia Goon wrote:

You are a Mafia Goon sided with Mafia. Every night, you may choose one person to kill.

You win when you control half the votes during the day.
Serial Killer

Serial Killer wrote:

You are a Serial Killer sided Independently. Every night, you may choose one person to kill.

You win when you control half the votes during the day.
Town One-Shot Bulletproof

Town Bulletproof wrote:

You are a One-Shot Bulletproof sided with Town. You are immune from being nightkilled once. You will be informed if you get shot.

You win when all threats to Town are gone.
Town Doctor

Doctor wrote:

You are a Doctor sided with Town. Every night, you may choose one person to protect. That person will be saved from one Nightkill for that Night.

You win when all threats to Town are gone.
Bulletproof PM When Hit
You hear a bang followed a sharp pain to you chest.
You were shot, but your vest saved you.
Your vest looks useless now.
Last edited by NoHitter , edited 12 times in total.
Lincolm
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NoHitter wrote:

Serial Killer

Serial Killer wrote:

You are a Serial Killer sided Independently. Every night, you may choose one person to kill.

You win when you control half the votes during the day.
O.o Third party.

In!
Jinxy
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Jinxy
ok, in
Kanye West
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Kanye West
Interesting. I'm in.
Nyquill
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Nyquill
Im in
Makar
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Makar
in
pieguyn
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pieguyn
/in
Mashley
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Mashley
Okay /in
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
I'll take the last spot.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Ouch. I'll just add you to the Replacements list DxS. Mashley got the last spot first.
NoHitter
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Roles have been sent!
Confirm by PM, and send your night action with it if you have one.
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It was nighttime behind enemy lines. The nocturnal creatures of the rainforest were making their rounds.
A group soldiers and their lone medic were tasked to rescue a soldier from a downed plane.

Little did they know that among them was a traitor working for an enemy.
The spy was asked to kill everyone and recover important "intelligence" from the relatively intact plane.

Also among them was a soldier who was tasked to silence whoever could have seen the "intelligence" for security purposes.
If that meant killing everyone else on the team, so be it.

IT IS NOW NIGHT 0.
PLEASE SEND YOUR ACTIONS WITHIN 24 HOURS.
NoHitter
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Reaching the airplane, the group proceeded to find the soldier.
Moments after splitting up, a gunshot and scream was heard.

Everyone rushed to the location and found the soldier dead.
He looked like he died very recently.

Oddly enough, there was no sign of the enemy at all.
Suddenly, a storm of gunshots was heard.

IT IS NOW DAY 1.
DEADLINE IS IN 96 HOURS.
Makar
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Makar
Sooo sup

Any BPs get a notification?
Kanye West
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Kanye West
I was shot. I am no longer bulletproof.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
I think Kanye West have problem with mafia players, always shoted at night 0. :lol:

Another one please? If not, the doctor must be protect the right person.
Mashley
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Mashley
Mornin
Vote Lincolm
Mashley
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Mashley
Wait why the fuck would you ask people to claim if they've been hit
My god are you batshit insane or just terrible scum?
We don't want the mafia and SK to know who they can and can't kill, that's just common sense.
Vote Makar
Kanye West
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Mashley, keep in mind that there are advantages in claiming to have been shot when actually not having been shot. So basically Makar's question accomplishes nothing, even if he was scum (unless he knew he shot me in the first place)
Mashley
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I should really think before I post something. The ideal scenario is for only one of the victims to claim, letting the doctor target them without giving extra information to the other scum.
Makar
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How is asking who got shot such a horrible thing to ask?

If we know who got shot, or at least the number of people who got shot, the doctor will know if they succeed in protecting somebody. Of course with 1SK+1Mafia this doesn't help much until one of them are lynched I guess.

Well then again if mafia knows who SK shot and vice versa, they will know who has one life

Mashley wrote:

I should really think before I post something. The ideal scenario is for only one of the victims to claim, letting the doctor target them without giving extra information to the other scum.
They pretty much already can, just keep track of their own kills. The same goes with the other role. This can cause problems at the end of the game, yes, but I think knowing will do more good than bad as long as we have a doctor.

I guess we can choose to keep everybody clueless or share everything, both have advantages and disadvantages now that I think about it :v
Kanye West
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Well for this setup, I'd make the argument that knowing less is (situationally) better. If no one claims that they've been shot or not, then the mafia and SK are forced to shoot the same target again (or switch targets in an effort to kill the doctor or other faction, or not kill anyone at all by hitting another bulletproof townie), giving us another day, and perhaps more time to lynch our mafia/sk. Of course, if you do claim that you've been shot or not (like me), then it literally tells us nothing (think about this.) Obviously last night, two different bulletproof townies were shot, due to no deaths, and obviously there's no need to massclaim because everyone would claim bulletproof townie.

And about the doctor point, the doctor can know if he protected someone without us claiming we've been shot.
Makar
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Makar

Kanye West wrote:

Well for this setup, I'd make the argument that knowing less is (situationally) better. If no one claims that they've been shot or not, then the mafia and SK are forced to shoot the same target again (or switch targets in an effort to kill the doctor or other faction, or not kill anyone at all by hitting another bulletproof townie), giving us another day, and perhaps more time to lynch our mafia/sk. Of course, if you do claim that you've been shot or not (like me), then it literally tells us nothing (think about this.) Obviously last night, two different bulletproof townies were shot, due to no deaths, and obviously there's no need to massclaim because everyone would claim bulletproof townie.

And about the doctor point, the doctor can know if he protected someone without us claiming we've been shot.

Well I see what you mean now.
According to the role PM in the OP, it doesn't say anything about getting a notification, so what do you mean by that?
Nyquill
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I actually think that mafia would claim that they got shot the first day so then to get them in a good position.

Not making a kill at night of course.
Lincolm
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Lincolm

Makar wrote:

According to the role PM in the OP, it doesn't say anything about getting a notification, so what do you mean by that?
Which role do you mean that he didn't get notification?
pieguyn
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hm, I think it would have been better if neither BP claimed. IMO in a setup like this knowing who was hit doesn't really help us much except for verifying claims later in the game, while the mafia/SK would know if the doctor protected someone N0, and also who the other one targeted. Keep in mind that even though the doctor might get an idea of who to protect the mafia/SK can just use WIFOM.

Mashley wrote:

The ideal scenario is for only one of the victims to claim, letting the doctor target them without giving extra information to the other scum.
in fact IMO the doctor should still consider protecting someone else. There's no real reason to protect Kanye outright, since that's just WIFOM :? Plus, that way, mafia/SK won't know until they target someone twice that they're being protected. On the other hand if the doctor protects Kanye they only need to target once, and plus Kanye could still be mafia as Nyquill said. I'm not sure but that might have potential to save more time than protecting Kanye outright.

I don't think Doctor receives a notification if they protect someone. mod: does Doctor receive a notification if they successfully protect someone?
Jinxy
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If no BP claims, both scum would most likely shoot their respective targets, while one claim could allow the doc to protect that person. Even if scum choose not to shoot the person that claimed, we still only lose one person compared to 2 if both choose not to claim.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
But we know that all of us will claim as a BP. Claim : SK Ups... :lol:

I don't know about claim about got a shot at night. For me it's giving history play. At least 2 people who claim got shot at same day, at least they almost likely not scum. And for the rest, it's up to doctor and scums.
NoHitter
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pieguy1372 wrote:

mod: does Doctor receive a notification if they successfully protect someone?
No.
Jinxy
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Jinxy

JInxyjem wrote:

If no BP claims that they have been shot.
im sorry i thought it was obvious
Lincolm
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Lincolm
If we keep like this, we are not going anywhere and having no clue. Any idea to get some clues? Question sheet maybe?
Jinxy
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Jinxy
RQS was an alternative to RVS that also pretty much fell flat too, and everyone here has played mafia before so it's not useful.

Anyone else have an idea for today?
Mashley
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pieguy1372 wrote:

There's no real reason to protect Kanye outright, since that's just WIFOM :?
Crap that's right, the mafia could claim they got shot and then the two who actually got shot would assume that was the other victim... Yeah I'd say it's best that the bulletproofs just keep it concealed if they got hit unless they have to say for some reason. Thoughts on this, guys?
Unvote for now I guess.
Jinxy
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I find it unlikely that mafia would make such a silly mistake to claim shot after shooting someone else, since at that point those who have been shot SHOULD claim, and the mafia would be one of the 3 who claimed.
Lincolm
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Sometimes mafia do silly mistakes. We should know when they do. :roll:

Just wonder... Can a doctor protect a man that targeted by SK and mafia goon?
Makar
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Lincolm wrote:

Sometimes mafia do silly mistakes. We should know when they do. :roll:

Just wonder... Can a doctor protect a man that targeted by SK and mafia goon?
Incase mod doesn't answer since its not really in the right format:

Mod: Can a doctor protect somebody who is shot by both mafia+sk?
NoHitter
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Makar wrote:

Mod: Can a doctor protect somebody who is shot by both mafia+sk?
If you read the role PM, it says that the doctor can only protect against one nightkill, so no.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
Vote : pieguy1372 for no reason.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Is that all you're going to do?

One day left, and your random vote is going to end up lynching pieguy at the rate we're going

Does any one have any suggestion on what to do at all?
Lincolm
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Lincolm
At last! after 24 hours there is another post. :)

For me, yes. If we keep going like this, inactive and just let the day flow on without any clue, it's better we gambling to know the mafia.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
Because we only have almost likely 17 hours, I just want to know before the day end what the others comment, so please comment.

Prod :
Kanye West
Nyquill
Makar
pieguy1372
Mashley
pieguyn
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pieguyn
oh great, sorry >< I've been so busy recently and didn't get a chance to post :cry:
mod: extension please?
I'd post more but it's too late and I can't think > < I'll make a better post later
NoHitter
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Deadline is extended by one day.
Kanye West
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Whoa, totally forgot I was in this game hahah

Lincolm: Why would you start a random vote? It seemed kind of late.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
Well, Mashley start it first, not me, but he unvoted.

You know, I'm newbie for mafia. This my fourth game. I don't know but 2 days ago I saw many games started with RVS and completely better than do nothing. It give information about those people who townie. It's better to seek town than mafia right? I thought you all will give complain or accept about this RVS and give information better. Nah~ :|

Unvoted
Lincolm
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Lincolm
By the way, Vote : Mashley if he not comment anything again. :lol:
Makar
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Mashley was quick to vote after I said something that could go both ways, but he probably just wasnt thinking.
Lincolm is just trying to get people to talk more it seems
Kanye's claim to be shot could go both ways

idk bro, this is a useless post .-.
pieguyn
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just taking a quick look at the thread, Kanye could be either BP or mafia/SK, but I'm kind of leaning towards BP for some reason. Lincolm has been acting pro-town in general. Makar said something questionable, but I think it was just to start discussion. Same with Mashley. However, Nyquill has made just one post and JInxy has only made a few posts and hasn't contributed very much. So HoS: Nyquill, JInxyjem

in fact, I kind of think that making just one post is a bit less suspicious than making just a few posts. so for now I'll vote: JInxyjem
Kanye West
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Honestly, jinxy has been more pro-town than Nyquill

vote: Nyquill
Jinxy
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pieguy1372 wrote:

in fact, I kind of think that making just one post is a bit less suspicious than making just a few posts. so for now I'll vote: JInxyjem
Could you explain this? This is the first time I've heard someone say this.
Nyquill
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I'm trying to get really good in this certain other game so I totally forgot about this.

@JInxyjem, its called calculated lurking. Normally scum would probably try to come up with some bs to look town.

Day 1 in a game like this is a bunch of baseless guessing anyways, except I'm still thinking that scum's first thought would be to claim that they got shot in order to look pro-town. Its likely the first thing scum would come up with.

At the moment:
NO CLUE HOW LINCOLM BEHAVES WHEN HE IS SCUM SINCE HE HASN'T BEEN SCUM YET. No meta to tell anything.
pieguy's vote is a little more than his regular "gut feeling" that gets him killed when he is scum.
Makar looks more scum to me every single fucking day fuck

Makar wrote:

idk bro, this is a useless post .-.
Mashley's null tell
Kanye's null tell save for his claim that he got shot.

Quite honestly I'm inclined to vote kanye so I can get rid of the doubt of his claim. Claiming that you got shot day 1 is writing "I'M SCUM VOTE ME" all over yourself because of the attention you draw/doubt etc.
Kanye West
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Nyquill wrote:

Claiming that you got shot day 1 is writing "I'M SCUM VOTE ME" all over yourself because of the attention you draw/doubt etc.
I considered this before claiming. Honestly, why would scum WANT to draw this attention? Better to keep quiet. All I can tell you is, I am actually a townie and I actually did get shot. I think you're trying to deflect to me, my vote stands
Nyquill
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Note how I wrote its the doubt I want to get rid of. Why leave wifom where it stands?
And seriously though it makes little to no difference for an actual BP to claim that they got shot. As scum however, that is a different story altogether.
Lincolm
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pieguy1372 wrote:

in fact, I kind of think that making just one post is a bit less suspicious than making just a few posts.

Nyquill wrote:

JInxyjem, its called calculated lurking. Normally scum would probably try to come up with some bs to look town.
@Pieguy, can you tell me why I been like acting pro-town? Because in fact with that statement I'm the most suspicious. As I read that statement, more posts more suspicious.
But yes, I try to act pro-town.

Nyquill wrote:

NO CLUE HOW LINCOLM BEHAVES WHEN HE IS SCUM SINCE HE HASN'T BEEN SCUM YET.
I don't know this as excess or deficiency.
However, I hope I get that rule too so I have better experience in mafia. You all know what I mean.

So this is why I vote Mashley :
His reason vote Makar seems contrived.
Almost likely finding the townies by roleclaim is the most common sense in mafia. It's neutral if you ask who have been shot, townie and scums have think of this. I prefer you vote me. :lol:
NoHitter
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VOTE COUNT:
Mashley (1) - Lincolm
Nyquill (1) - Kanye West
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Not Voting (5) - JInxyjem, Nyquill, Makar, pieguy1372, Mashley

Mashley has been lynched.

The group decided to go kill off the person who first found the body.
After all, it was convenient to "find" the body if you were the killer.

Unfortunately for them this wasn't the case...
The deaths would continue.

Mashley - Town One-Shot Bulletproof - Lynched D1

IT IS NOW NIGHT 1.
PLEASE SEND YOUR ACTIONS WITHIN 24 HOURS.
NoHitter
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Another storm of bullets quickly followed after Mashley's execution.
After the gunshots died down, they found another body.

JInxyjem lay on the ground after being shot by a bullet.
An inspection of his body revealed a dossier ordering him to silence any witnesses who saw the plane.

JInxyjem - Serial Killer - Killed N1

IT IS NOW DAY 2.
DEADLINE IS IN 96 HOURS.
Makar
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mornin'

eh you would think that kanye would be killed since he got shot already, unless thats what JInxyjem tried to do (or mafia expected doctor to protect kanye). We can see what happens next time I guess, assuming doctor doesn't protect... Then again mafia could do nothing to paint him fuuuu

any ideas?
Lincolm
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I really hoping this at Night 1. :lol:

At least now the mafia goon will seek the doctor.
Kanye West
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Well the SK is gone, this gives us a lot more time to catch out the mafia

Possible scenarios for last night:

Most obvious case - Mafia shot jinxy, anticipating doctor to protect me and trying to hit doctor, jinxy shot me, and doctor protected me

Most likely case - Mafia shot jinxy, jinxy shot another BPT (trying to hit doc), doc protected me or someone else (1 BPT loses BP)

Least likely case - Mafia shot jinxy, jinxy shot a BPT, and doc protected the same BP that jinxy shot (BPT still BP)

If the killers were good mafia players (which I know Jinxy is), they would both ignore me and try to hit the doctor. Basically we could have anywhere from 0-2 remaining bulletproofs at this point, depending on who the doctor protected.

Also, we can get a good idea on the mafia's train of thought in shooting Jinxy. Somehow, mafia thought Jinxy was the doctor, which caused him to change from his original BPT target. More on this after I read Jinxy's posts.

So, based on these cases, we should get an idea on who the doctor protected without the doctor actually claiming. So question to town: If you lost your bulletproof last night, I think now would be a good time to come forward.
Makar
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So you are saying even though Jinxy was killed his shot was still performed?
Mod: Will the SK's target still be shot even if they are killed on the same night?

well I do agree with Kanye due to the fact we only have one killer now. If doctor knows who was "shot" and when, he/she might be able to provide more information based on who they know was protected.
Nyquill
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Kanye West wrote:

So, based on these cases, we should get an idea on who the doctor protected without the doctor actually claiming. So question to town: If you lost your bulletproof last night, I think now would be a good time to come forward.
My thoughts exactly.

I was shot last night.
Makar
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Nyquill wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

So, based on these cases, we should get an idea on who the doctor protected without the doctor actually claiming. So question to town: If you lost your bulletproof last night, I think now would be a good time to come forward.
My thoughts exactly.

I was shot last night.
I guess that answers my question.
Kanye West
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Makar wrote:

So you are saying even though Jinxy was killed his shot was still performed?
Mod: Will the SK's target still be shot even if they are killed on the same night?
I assumed yes, if mod can confirm, that would be nice.
pieguyn
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Well, that was lucky 0.0
my best guess is that mafia/SK was trying to hit the doctor, which IMO would point to Kanye since he said JInxy was more pro-town back on D1, and away from Nyquill for agreeing with the point about calculated lurking. Then we just have to consider Lincolm and Makar, but IMO it seems neither one has any specific reason for killing JInxy. Then again deaths are WIFOM so that really doesn't tell us much :?

I'm honestly not very sure what to do. At least we know the doctor didn't successfully protect anyone N1, whether Nyquill is hit or mafia.
Kanye West
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We already know for a fact that both the mafia and Jinxy were trying to go for the doctor, because we had one death and one (alleged) loss of a bulletproof. Mafia followed my pro-town read on Jinxy (lol) and shot him, but he ended up being the SK. Meanwhile, Jinxy decided against my advice and (supposedly) shot Nyquill, who I said was less pro-town, and if Nyquill is actually town, he's not bulletproof now. But then again it's completely possible for him to claim shot to cover himself, but seeing how no one else claimed shot, we don't really know for sure.

Makar seems to be playing much more actively, as opposed to his previously cautious, passive style, which leads me to believe he's either changing his playstyle or playing as if he has something to lose now.

I don't really know much about Lincolm's or pieguy's metas so those are null reads.
Nyquill
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I just realized that mashley died without saying anything about his bulletproof status, so we can't even ask the second person who got shot that day to come forward since scum would have a chance of knowing who got shot and it may have been mashley.
Lincolm
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So in the case we have Kanye - Nyquill - Mashley (as what Nyquill said above) as BP who got shot.
And the other still not trusted. 5 people alive, 2 as BPs, the rest 1BP, 1 doctor, and 1 mafia.

Roleclaim : Doctor
Makar
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...what

Vote: Lincolm

I CC doctor.

I'm not sure if I should say what my targets were yet, since they might be used for Lincolm's advantage (need to think on this, I'm really confused atm).

In any case, I think even if I get lynched and I really am doctor, it will prove Lincolm as mafia. I don't understand why you would fakeclaim, Lincolm, do you not realize its not mylo? Or am I just not seeing something here?
Kanye West
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God one of you is either incredibly stupid for claiming doc as BP or just bad scum

Regardless, I think we can say Nyquill's claim is true now

I'm actually inclined to believe Makar over Lincolm as doc, go back through and read Makar's posts during D1.

and even if Lincolm flips doctor, we can turn around and lynch Makar the next day. Unless, like I said, one of you is really, really stupid and claimed doc as BPT.

vote Lincolm
Lincolm
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Yap! I'm fakeclaim! I'm BP! (I already said in day 1 I'm pro town, seems no one realize)
This solve Pieguy is mafia!

Doctor will not claim as doctor right? I force the doctor to claim as doctor to know the pro-town.

Either way, you should know that I sacrifice myself to make town win. For day 3, please vote Pieguy. Good luck!

Vote : Pieguy
pieguyn
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err...what o_O

how does that make me mafia? Keep in mind if you're not mafia, either Nyquill or Kanye could have pulled that mafia gambit Nyquill pointed out D1 (not killing anyone and then claiming hit). Claiming hit doesn't instantly make someone town. Makar is telling the truth since you're obviously not doctor and he CC'ed, and I'm not mafia, so either you're mafia or one of them did pull that gambit. :?
Lincolm
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That's the worst scenario.

Before of it, we need to know the answer of this.

Makar wrote:

Mod: Will the SK's target still be shot even if they are killed on the same night?
If yes, Nyquill are positively pro-town.

You can see the reaction of Mashley. The common sense of people think are asking who got shot, but he denial it, almost likely he got shot at N0 so he double check what he thought of.

And Kanye got shot at N0. Seems need Makar as doctor to confirm.

Do you ever success protect someone Makar?
As we know pro-town who got shot are Kanye - Nyquill - Mashley (not 100% sure, but almost likely yes), in total night are 2, which 4 people got shot (Jinx also)
If no, That's mean all of them 100% pro-town. If yes, please tell when you success, the mafia gambit.

I do this because I know this, and force the doctor to claim as doctor, but sorry Makar, I think you will get killed at N2.
pieguyn
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Lincolm wrote:

If yes, Nyquill are positively pro-town.
oh you're right, most of the time kills happen simultaneously, so I the SK's target would still be killed (so, since mafia shot SK, Nyquill was hit, and thus is town, unless SK shot no one, which doesn't make any sense)

the problem is now we know who the doctor is, and I would assume doctors can't self-protect, so seems the doctor will die N2 now. >< Basically all you did was force the doctor to claim, which easily could have waited until he was going to be lynched. This seems highly suspicious IMO. (Not voting since that would be a hammer vote and it would stop discussion)
Lincolm
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Well, everything you said right. Highly suspicious, right? Why not lynch me instead? Really, lynch me prove everything. ;)
Kanye West
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Waiting until Nyquill and Makar post.
Nyquill
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Sorry, I might be missing something, but how did kanye disappear from that equation entirely?
Kanye West
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Okay, we can confirm Nyquill as a true BPT. If he were scum, he would have hammered in Lincolm, and Makar is basically confirmed doctor.

Nyquill wrote:

Sorry, I might be missing something, but how did kanye disappear from that equation entirely?
You'll see. I have a plan.

unvote

Lincolm: are you still bulletproof?
Makar
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Okay

N0 - Protected Nyquill
N1 - Protected pieguy

So yeah, I failed to protect anybody.

Kanye seems town to me, based on his great contribution so far
Nyquill seems town to me, based on his claim to be shot (also need mod reply first)

Lincolm is confusing me. I kinda think he is town now. Of course this could be his plan in the first place, but he seems really okay with him being lynched.
pieguy has nothing to prove he is town or mafia besides what lincolm did.

Btw Lincolm, you could of just asked doctor to claim after explaining the circumstances. I was thinking of revealing my role already due to the high chance of getting killed at night already. Either way you would be FoS'd though

unvote for safety
Lincolm
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As I think, not everyone want to claim doctor. I suspect you and p
ieguy so I prefer force it.

If I were mafia, I would not easily claim got shot until I know everybody not claim it. So, I delete Kanye.

Yes, I still bulletproof.
Makar
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I want to trust Lincolm as town then. It really would be idiotic to claim Doctor as mafia.
pieguyn
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Lincolm wrote:

If I were mafia, I would not easily claim got shot until I know everybody not claim it. So, I delete Kanye.
why couldn't Kanye just shoot no one and then only claim when asked? In other words, the same gambit Nyquill mentioned.
Kanye West
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Okay since Lincolm claimedl bulletproof, it would make little to no sense to lynch him today.

Pieguy, what kind of mafia would

1. Not shoot N0 in a setup with all bulletproof townies
and 2. claim shot the next day?

You'd have to be psychic to pull that off and let the game play out as it is now. The more obvious situation here is that Lincolm (brilliantly) fakeclaimed doc to know who the real doc is, so he could use process of elimination to find the remaining scum. Consequently, Nyquill's and Makar's claims also check out and point straight to you.

vote pieguy

And even if he flips town, I think Lincolm realizes he's in trouble anyways (risky move for mafia) so I'm pretty sure he's town. I also believe Nyquill and/or Mashley was the second target N0, but Mashley is dead and Nyquill was protected by Makar and therefore did not lose his BP until N1. Basically everyone checks out but me, and like I said, I'm no psychic but I'll be damned if pieguy's not mafia.
pieguyn
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1. Not shoot N0 in a setup with all bulletproof townies
and 2. claim shot the next day?
not the next day, necessarily. The whole point would be to have a "conveniently" missing kill so that you could claim BP at any given point without a massclaim screwing it up. In this case, if you are mafia and you did that, it so happened to be the first day.

I think Lincolm realizes he's in trouble anyways (risky move for mafia) so I'm pretty sure he's town.
this is really just WIFOM. Theoretically he could have done that as either mafia or town.

I'm just wondering,
I also believe Nyquill and/or Mashley was the second target N0, but Mashley is dead and Nyquill was protected by Makar and therefore did not lose his BP until N1.
where did you get this from? The second target might have just not claimed in case the mafia wasn't the one who killed him/her N0. That way the mafia would have less information.

I'm not sure if you're mafia or if you just overlooked all these things. I'm still suspicious of Lincolm but IMO this seems like quite a lot of things to "overlook". I'm also wondering where you just came up with who the second target was, since I can't see any reason behind that.
NoHitter
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Makar wrote:

Mod: Will the SK's target still be shot even if they are killed on the same night?
Yes.
Lincolm
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pieguy1372 wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

I think Lincolm realizes he's in trouble anyways (risky move for mafia) so I'm pretty sure he's town.
this is really just WIFOM. Theoretically he could have done that as either mafia or town.
Theoretically, this is 100% right. I have thought about this too when I fakeclaim, and I still don't mind being lynched if in the next day it's clear who the mafia. I cannot prove myself as BP, I just claim as pro-town in D1 and BP in D2. For myself, it was hard to not got shot even once, so I started to become jester.

pieguy1372 wrote:

I'm still suspicious of Lincolm but IMO this seems like quite a lot of things to "overlook".
All of this game will be overlooked. You don't know when the mafia stop and when the "crazy" townie stop also. All I can said, I already stop my gambit.

To know how I thought my gambit : (Well, this is my last defense as pro-town)
I fakeclaim as Doctor so the continuation is 2 options , the doctor CC and not. If the doctor CC, I would vote the only one who not clear the role, in this case is you, pieguy. If the doctor not CC, I will try to defense myself in D2, so the mafia will targeted me in N2. This is risky when the doctor not CC, I almost likely cannot defense myself and get lynched in D2, and the rest on doctor's hand because he the only one know he is a doctor.The result, this gambit is almost likely not be done by scum. Like what Makar said. It really would be idiotic to claim Doctor as mafia.

I try to write up the note to help up :
Makar - Doctor
Nyquill - BPTownie
Lincolm - BPTownie ?
Kanye West - BPTownie ?
pieguy1372 - BPTownie ?

Anyway pieguy, after all of this I don't see you try to defense yourself. For me, you try to destroy the analyzes without defense result, but "who is scummy" result and it not delete you from suspected. It's 99% you are scum because you don't think like townie.
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