I've seen enough of the osu! community to already know that this was going to happen, but when trolls here troll, and they suck at osu!, its quite hilarious. They try to play osu!, they can't play osu!, and thus acquire the occupation of a keyboard warriorkriers wrote:
Ha, ha! The response to this OP was to be expected.
This is why I keep my own ideas and tricks to myself.
But you're saying this based on a test group of one person; YOURSELF.damiaanzx wrote:
Thank you but this isn't about me, and talent has nothing to do with holding a mouse. Anyone can do it if they really want to.Mukku wrote:
Indeed. For me it was even longer. Damiaanzx's talent level is pretty cool.As I said above, if I can do it then anyone can if they really try.thelewa wrote:
And if he can do it, that means that everyone else can do it!
Oh wait it doesn't go like that
Is it wrong to experiment?thelewa wrote:
As I said above, if I can do it then anyone can if they really try.
But you're saying this based on a test group of one person; YOURSELF.
It seems like you made this only to show people how good you are at the game, while trying to belittle yourself to make it seem like you're not trying to show off. You also throw a lot of bullshit statements like how people will be at Cookiezi's former level if they do the things that you do. Do you have some sort of proof of this? Are you at Cookiezi's former level?
So this tutorial thing is in fact bollocks and you only made it to stroke your ego.
I disagree. Keep your advice to friends and people who ask. Mainly the reason why people start trolling is because they never asked you to do anything for them in the first place and it makes you look full of yourself.damiaanzx wrote:
I've seen enough of the osu! community to already know that this was going to happen, but when trolls here troll, and they suck at osu!, its quite hilarious. They try to play osu!, they can't play osu!, and thus acquire the occupation of a keyboard warriorkriers wrote:
Ha, ha! The response to this OP was to be expected.
This is why I keep my own ideas and tricks to myself.
Give me a dedicated new player, and I'll make them S 5 star maps within the first week.thelewa wrote:
It isn't wrong to experiment, but it's wrong to mislead people.
We take care of our dedicated new players. We would never send them to you.damiaanzx wrote:
Give me a dedicated new player, and I'll make them S 5 star maps within the first week.thelewa wrote:
It isn't wrong to experiment, but it's wrong to mislead people.
Right. No one took care of me when I was new, which is why I will take care of the dedicated new players.kriers wrote:
We take care of our dedicated new players. We would never send them to you.
Based on what are you saying that you can make a totally new player S most of the 5 star maps in a week? Remember that a test group of one person is NOT ENOUGH proof to just make a guide based on how you train. You might be an exceptional player but that doesn't mean that everyone else is. Everyone is different, and nobody is exactly like you. That is the reason why you should NEVER think that just because you can do something, everyone else can do it too.damiaanzx wrote:
Give me a dedicated new player, and I'll make them S 5 star maps within the first week.thelewa wrote:
It isn't wrong to experiment, but it's wrong to mislead people.
I should too.thelewa wrote:
Based on what are you saying that you can make a totally new player S most of the 5 star maps in a week? Remember that a test group of one person is NOT ENOUGH proof to just make a guide based on how you train. You might be an exceptional player but that doesn't mean that everyone else is. Everyone is different, and nobody is exactly like you. That is the reason why you should NEVER think that just because you can do something, everyone else can do it too.
You should just rename the thread to: "New and want to participate in an experiment where you train exactly like me?"
Just to clarify, I never promised. I said "should". A 2 year period is a pretty large window.thelewa wrote:
If yourtheoryhypothesis proves to be true then I will withdraw my statements.
You could've avoided this thing entirely if you'd made your guide different (wouldn't have thrown around silly statements out about the goals that people will reach if they follow your guide). You haven't even reached Cookiezi's former level yet, and you promise people that they will reach his former skill level within 2 years. That's pretty silly.
Yes, 2 people out of a pretty damn big amount of people.damiaanzx wrote:
Just to clarify, I never promised. I said "should". A 2 year period is a pretty large window.
Considering the progress I AND someone else I know made within one year, the hypothesis stated wouldn't be outlandish.
Ah yes, I'll try to ignore any of those comments and prevent myself from foolishly responding from now onwards.Ephemeral wrote:
you are certainly making yourself look quite good - responding to idiocy with idiocy!
as for the 3 hours a day for a week thing, 21 hours of osu! is more than sufficient for even the most basic of players to achieve an S in something given enough practice. while I commend you for your ah.. attempt? at trying to spread any little pearls of wisdom you may have regarding the game, it is pretty much a fruitless effort. osu! is almost entirely reflex and muscle-memory based - there is little any other rote method can do to help you increase your skill at the game other than playing it yourself.
Yeah, a few have come for help but none that are completely fresh.Krzysiek wrote:
damiaanzx you have to find a new player yourself, thought it'd creep me out if I just joined the game and sneaky dude was offering me S-ing insanes x-D. Dat "experiment" thingy ^_^.
do you know what a keyboard warrior is ._. all i did was just post my initial reaction to the threaddamiaanzx wrote:
Oh shit! A keyboard warrior has appeared. You shouldn't be here, there is an experiment which must be done that doesn't involve you in any way.tyrael6192 wrote:
What i thought when i read through this thread
The problem with tutoring in this game is that it doesn't make sense. StarCraft without strategy and only macro and micro would be the equivalent of the skills required in this game. Those can't be helped with tutoring.G0r wrote:
Coming from a Starcraft background where professional players regularly tutor players to help them get better, I think this is a really good concept for the community. However, like some people mentioned, it ostensibly looks really showy, and my first reaction was to assume that you were showing off. I hope this turns out to be a positive thing for people, though, and perhaps creates more interest.
As an afterthought, though, it would really help your PR if you simply said "I have this rank and PP, and I am offering training sessions to new players who want my help." Making what is essentially a challenge out of it is what is creating the contention here. Your thread doesn't have the " humble feel" of a public service.
Mmm, I beg to differ. Macro and micro in Starcraft are very complicated things that require a lot of practiced skill to do right. It is true that you can gain these skills by just trial and error, but having someone to tell you how to use your keyboard and mouse effectively in Starcraft is a very useful thing. I believe that the same can apply to Osu when it comes to very beginner level players who are having a hard time understanding how to use both of the keys that they have at their disposal while still being able to keep their aim and timing. Ultimately neither game will require a very long term tutoring for these skills, and much of the tutoring would have to be simply setting up a practice regimen for the players to work out the kinks in their play, but it is possible to do for a short period until the player has surpassed the problem.Kyou-kun wrote:
The problem with tutoring in this game is that it doesn't make sense. StarCraft without strategy and only macro and micro would be the equivalent of the skills required in this game. Those can't be helped with tutoring.
This man was claiming that within two years on his training regime, students will reach Cookiezi's skill level. A bit much to claim, wouldn't you think?G0r wrote:
Mmm, I beg to differ. Macro and micro in Starcraft are very complicated things that require a lot of practiced skill to do right. It is true that you can gain these skills by just trial and error, but having someone to tell you how to use your keyboard and mouse effectively in Starcraft is a very useful thing. I believe that the same can apply to Osu when it comes to very beginner level players who are having a hard time understanding how to use both of the keys that they have at their disposal while still being able to keep their aim and timing. Ultimately neither game will require a very long term tutoring for these skills, and much of the tutoring would have to be simply setting up a practice regimen for the players to work out the kinks in their play, but it is possible to do for a short period until the player has surpassed the problem.Kyou-kun wrote:
The problem with tutoring in this game is that it doesn't make sense. StarCraft without strategy and only macro and micro would be the equivalent of the skills required in this game. Those can't be helped with tutoring.
That said, I defer my opinion to yours, as you are the more skilled player of the two of us. My real intent was to point out that our friend here has advertised himself in an ostentatious fashion, if what he wanted was to just tutor some people.
Oh yes, it certainly is. I don't think that any level of tutoring can create that sort of increase in skill. Only honest interest in the game and lots of practice could. That's exactly why I think that he might want to rephrase himself. The only thing that I think might have any effect on a players skill over that long a time would be if he were to suggest maps that he thinks the person should practice on, and set goals for them to try to motivate them, but this all assumes that the person is the sort of person who'd probably be trying to test themselves anyway, so it'd be about as helpful as maybe having a friend or two that you can compete with.Kyou-kun wrote:
This man was claiming that within two years on his training regime, students will reach Cookiezi's skill level. A bit much to claim, wouldn't you think?
30 minutes to a hour a day is optimal when training your motor skills. I just can't seem to limit my self to that :/ I gotta play all day long or I get withdrawal lolMilkshake wrote:
nononono we all should play osu! 25/7
WE HAVE NO LIFE wwwww
I mean wtf ok
Yep, because you needed the restKyou-kun wrote:
Training's apparently cancelled.
cool story broYuu-Chii wrote:
No and yes removing bg and sb = cheat
Ive tried it once or twice it make ar9 super super easy to read and ar 10 easier to read and its unfair
An average player can even pass airman if bg's were black
I cant wait for the full release of osz2
LolYuu-Chii wrote:
Lol dafuq... U serious?????
Lol 2 hours a day for a week lol.
Nvm that if thats so
Im expecting to FC freedom dive by the week's end...
As if
No and yes removing bg and sb = cheat
Ive tried it once or twice it make ar9 super super easy to read and ar 10 easier to read and its unfair
An average player can even pass airman if bg's were black
I cant wait for the full release of osz2
Don't worry, No and Yes won't remove anything. I will.Yuu-Chii wrote:
No and yes removing bg and sb = cheat
I see what you did there.kriers wrote:
Don't worry, No and Yes won't remove anything. I will.Yuu-Chii wrote:
No and yes removing bg and sb = cheat
Removing them will make me Cookiezi-pro and stream 300 bpm np.
Greatest love story ever toldYuu-Chii wrote:
Lol dafuq... U serious?????
No and yes removing bg and sb = cheat
Ive tried it once or twice it make ar9 super super easy to read and ar 10 easier to read and its unfair
An average player can even pass airman if bg's were black
this thread it's full of cool stories lolAqo wrote:
still didn't try reading AR10 with HR but just for AR9+HR or AR10 it's easily np... honestly if you can't read normal AR9 on a static background image something is wrong with you, even with video reading AR10 is not hard as long as the combo colors are not literally /exactly/ the same hue as the background
Depends on the map. Do you seriously not have any problems with maps that are extremely colorful in the background? I actually very very rarely remove backgrounds unless I want to FC something with HR or something and the map is extremely colorful and annoying, but even when I don't remove the background, I can feel my hitcircles blending into the colorful background. Also the dim feature as of now doesn't really compare to a real black bg at all. It's still quite bright and visibleAqo wrote:
Do people seriously have an easier time reading maps with black BGs? wtf? I tried playing with the dim settings now that they were introduced and it didn't feel like it's helping me at all. wtf is wrong with your eyes people
The only backgrounds I ever have problems with were super-bright ones, that's it. However custom skins bother me a lot... I designed my skin specifically to make hitcircles easy to see regardless of the BG. Colorful and moving isn't much of a trouble.winber1 wrote:
Do you seriously not have any problems with maps that are extremely colorful in the background?
Thats what i meant...Mithost wrote:
There are legitimate reasons to remove backgrounds, but honestly, getting an edge on other players shouldn't be one of them.
Really? your skin does not really look like the most clear and readable thing I've seen. I claim that my skin is more clear and readable and I still feel a difference depending on the background, though nowadays I just dim the background if it gets annoying, rather than doing nothing about it.Aqo wrote:
I designed my skin specifically to make hitcircles easy to see regardless of the BG.
I never really turn on video. I can play with them, but they are kinda meh for me. Storyboards I only delete if it's flashy everywhere. All those lights are like aldskjfhawnebzegw. Lyric storyboards and actual real storyboards I don't delete (for the most part ._.)Aqo wrote:
Would you play with with BG (SB+Video) or without?
... or use hard rock? Lately I've been doing the same thing to certain maps except I make it AR9 and I am just double timing them. I CAN FEEL THE IMPROVEMENT FLOWING THROUGHOUT MEAqo wrote:
I had this weird habit lately to take maps that I like, go into Edit, copy their top diff and make an AR10 OD10 version of it and just play that, and I never felt the need to remove BGs with it.
heh that's interesting. Your skin is very confusing to me. The approach circles look the same as the circles in your skin because of the hitcircle overlay and once the amount of objects being stacked goes above 2 I can't tell what's going on the screen. Also your reverse arrows blend with the skin theme which makes them hard to spot quickly for me.winber1 wrote:
Really? your skin does not really look like the most clear and readable thing I've seen. I claim that my skin is more clear and readable and I still feel a difference depending on the background, though nowadays I just dim the background if it gets annoying, rather than doing nothing about it.Aqo wrote:
I designed my skin specifically to make hitcircles easy to see regardless of the BG.
right now I only get 70-80 % on most insanes with HR(+NF) and without NF I'd die to the HR drain like that. You too pro ;; me jelly. my left hand is still noob in this gamewinber1 wrote:
... or use hard rock? Lately I've been doing the same thing to certain maps except I make it AR9 and I am just double timing them. I CAN FEEL THE IMPROVEMENT FLOWING THROUGHOUT ME
Current Performance: 3,567pp (#10,413)Aqo wrote:
Do people seriously have an easier time reading maps with black BGs? wtf? I tried playing with the dim settings now that they were introduced and it didn't feel like it's helping me at all. wtf is wrong with your eyes people
still didn't try reading AR10 with HR but just for AR9+HR or AR10 it's easily np... honestly if you can't read normal AR9 on a static background image something is wrong with you, even with video reading AR10 is not hard as long as the combo colors are not literally /exactly/ the same hue as the background
Edge over other players? simply delete the BG, costs nothing if i ain't wrong lolYuu-Chii wrote:
Thats what i meant...Mithost wrote:
There are legitimate reasons to remove backgrounds, but honestly, getting an edge on other players shouldn't be one of them.
Doesnt mean that you have an eye problem if u cant read AR9 and AR10
Just play more if u cant xD
But yeah... removing background to have an edge over other players lol...
and thats the reason why im against it.... but i actually like the dimming option xD
I was originally against removing backgrounds, like you. Its because I couldn't stop other people from removing backgrounds, which is why I started, just so that I wasn't disadvantaged. I wouldn't mind leaving them in if I knew that no one else would have an advantage over me.Yuu-Chii wrote:
Thats what i meant...Mithost wrote:
There are legitimate reasons to remove backgrounds, but honestly, getting an edge on other players shouldn't be one of them.
Doesnt mean that you have an eye problem if u cant read AR9 and AR10
Just play more if u cant xD
But yeah... removing background to have an edge over other players lol...
and thats the reason why im against it.... but i actually like the dimming option xD
No. The people who are serious PM me, I don't even really read through the thread as the rest are mostly trolling in some way.winber1 wrote:
this thread has never been on topic :/
everyone who says i want to participate gets completely ignored lmfao.
No completely new players have PM'd.Krzysiek wrote:
I'm still waiting for some beginner player willing to take part in experiment. Is OP dodging?
In that case I have one person.Krzysiek wrote:
Below 1000 playcount players are fine for me. Just wanna see some data, cos 20hr experiment sounds exotic.
A guide will not work with helping someone make S ranks within a week, generally. Most people lack discipline or time and are unable to push themselves and play out of their comfort zone for an entire week, even with my watchful eye over them in-game. Unless I'm there physically, I can't do much other than constantly point people in the direction I see best for them, provide tips, provide maps, answer their questions and keep their enthusiasm up.Mithost wrote:
If you can get someone to S insanes in a week, consider making a tutorial on how to get there, and post it to these forums. Many people turn to the forums looking for guides/info that might be keeping them from getting better. It will be seen from your target audience. Such a claim however, cannot be backed up until you have almost a dozen newer players S ranking insanes under your belt.
Can I just sum up the thrust of your argument as being that he should do a guide, because it'd reach more people? If so, then there's no reason that he can't both make a guide and coach people. Sounds to me like he's just not interested in making a guide, so he's just coaching, because he has built it up as some kind of experiment.Mithost wrote:
You can tell them what mindset they should have, and you can tell them to push themselves. Instead of you watching over them, it's their own will to get better that will continue to tell them to push on. Providing maps, tips, habits, etc. in a thread that you would provide to a player 1 on 1 would still work. Maybe not as well, but it will help. Assuming your 1 week S ranking insanes claim is true, a guide w/o a mentor could get them S ranking insanes in about a month. That's still huge seeing most players that have been on for 6 months + have just started getting comfortable with insane maps.
Also, if they didn't want to push themselves on their own or with your help, they could say "f*** it" and ignore everything either way. With or without a mentor, as long as you are online with your training, people will ragequit at the same time, due to the same things.
Would you not think a player who's dedicated would look into the forum first to find the best settings and tips to play before jumping in blindly?Evanlet wrote:
really are dedicated will go straight into the game, not the forums.