additionally, i have also raised the issue of proper assessment for the backgrounds of maps entering the ranking, and i trust that some newer more appropriate rules regarding this will come into play soon in the future, which we may be applying retroactively to some of the more problematic maps.
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Thanks Eph. I kinda expected peppy's take would be "Don't play the songs you like if they have visual elements you don't like". That should be osu!'s motto IMO
O.OtheMikeAG wrote:
I avoid looking at girls in swimsuits period.
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Thanks peppy for making things clear.
I've also got to thank Ephemeral for supporting this thread and raising issues that I didn't think would be raised.
Thankfully, the two maps I've linked to earlier are the only ones I've had to edit, so not being able to edit backgrounds anymore shouldn't be a major loss.
I've also got to thank Ephemeral for supporting this thread and raising issues that I didn't think would be raised.
Thankfully, the two maps I've linked to earlier are the only ones I've had to edit, so not being able to edit backgrounds anymore shouldn't be a major loss.
Can you really say that about image sets like what http://osu.ppy.sh/s/11947 ? Sorry but that's not just "humans in swimsuits". It's entirely NSFW by all means.peppy wrote:
Keep in mind most of the linked maps above involve images of humans in swimsuits. This is not considered to be adult content. If you are offended by such images, please restrain yourself from playing the maps.
My 14 year old sister plays the piano real well and also enjoys some video games, but I wouldn't recommend osu to her so that she won't think I'm playing some japanese pedo game because of a lot of BGs the game uses (lately I just started removing those maps from my songs folder so that they won't show up on random at all).
I was just about to mention that beatmap, but looks like it was already done :p Probably the most NSFW beatmap I've ever seen. The alternate bgs idea would be pretty cool for beatmaps like this though, or just tone it down a bitAqo wrote:
Can you really say that about image sets like what http://osu.ppy.sh/s/11947 ? Sorry but that's not just "humans in swimsuits". It's entirely NSFW by all means...peppy wrote:
Keep in mind most of the linked maps above involve images of humans in swimsuits. This is not considered to be adult content. If you are offended by such images, please restrain yourself from playing the maps.
If you look for about 2 minutes on "Google Chrome Theme Gallery", you would see some "humans in swimsuits" that would get you kicked off a school computer, fired/punished at work, etc etc. Why does osu! have the ability to get you in trouble at school for the same reasons?
Where I live? No, not really. You may see some normal cleavage, but that's usually it; swimsuits here almost always adequately cover the sides and bottom of a woman's boobies. This is because that's how swimsuits are designed, and most women here like to pick swimsuits that fit. You may see the occasional bakini, but that's it.Kurokami wrote:
What is the problem with girls in swimsuit? o.o If you go to a beach you will see even more.
Many of the swimsuits he linked are realistic, but a couple are essentially just nipple covers. I say keep the realistic swimsuits, but the nipple covers should be a no-no for what should be fairly obvious reasons (i.e. being way out of place in a rhythm game).
Really, the skimpiest swimsuits really are mostly reserved for sluts and pornstars. That's just where I live, though.
Cho_old
Here's an idea, try not playing osu in school where you're supposed to be learning.Mithost wrote:
Why does osu! have the ability to get you in trouble at school for the same reasons?
Stupid ideas like this wouldn't pop up if that happened more.
Because funnily enough I play osu at home, not at work or school.YodaSnipe wrote:
NSFW <3
I lol'd but its true. I know they are not the best backgrounds, but I think they are fit to the music.Ekaru wrote:
Really, the skimpiest swimsuits really are mostly reserved for sluts and pornstars. That's just where I live, though.
On topic: Since until now I not say my own opinion, I write here right now. Since I like this kind of bgs and I'm old enough i don't care about them, but this game is for everyone so I think a toggle to change bg and a plus bg in the beatmap folder will be a good option. If the secondary bg's name is unchangeable, I mean like the skin elements name, this shouldn't be too much problem. "Secondary_bg.jpg" for example. Just as Ephemeral wrote.
If you need the ethos for this, making osu more sfw and ecchi-free would make it more accessible and more desirable to play for a larger audience. Even if you like those backgrounds, I'm sure they're not the reason you enjoy the game, and you can just view them as images on your own. However for people who are bothered by those images for one reason or another, it hurts the accessibility to this game.Mithost wrote:
Why does osu! have the ability to get you in trouble at school for the same reasons?
Generally speaking, even as a 21yo, I try to hide away the fact I play osu from my roommates (or more like, use two songs folders), so that they don't think I'm into japanese fetishes. Asking to remove anime OP videos from anime op songs would be stupid because it actually fits there, but how the hell do minimally dresses girls with emphasized body parts relate to "nightcore"? It has absolutely no connection.
Calling that "girls in swimsuits" is just not wanting to deal with an issue. There's a very clear and big difference between just a girl in a swimsuit and a girl in a sexually suggestive position/camera angle.
Nightcore = loliAqo wrote:
Generally speaking, even as a 21yo, I try to hide away the fact I play osu from my roommates (or more like, use two songs folders), so that they don't think I'm into japanese fetishes. Asking to remove anime OP videos from anime op songs would be stupid because it actually fits there, but how the hell do minimally dresses girls with emphasized body parts relate to "nightcore"? It has absolutely no connection.
loli = those pics
therefore those pics are fit to the music.
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I know they are not the best backgrounds, but I think they are fit to the music.Also if you are afraid from your roommates, then you are baka. Who cares about what the other ppl think? Or if you personally not like those song then not play with them, its simple.
Cho_old
You totally don't understand nightcore then, as far back as nightcore's origins and it's popularity first booming it has *always* had a connection to minimally dressed unrealistic drawings of girls. So yeah, it actually does make sense for that to continue and really, the BGs in osu for nightcore are always mild compared to the others outside of the game.Aqo wrote:
how the hell do minimally dresses girls with emphasized body parts relate to "nightcore"? It has absolutely no connection.
Also funnily enough I wouldn't want to show my parents or little sister some of the BGs in osu, my solution ? Play other beatmaps when they're here.
this is not a place to discuss issues of playing questionable beatmaps in the presence of others. such a thing is a personal choice and particularly things of this nature are extremely specific to the individual in question, and is not a topic that is particularly fruitful to pursue.
we are currently investigating a list of problematic maps that have been brought to our attention and have already proceeded to temporarily unrank a few pending further background changes. this should not have become an issue in the first place, and a consensus has been raised to address this more formally at the next meeting of staff.
we are currently investigating a list of problematic maps that have been brought to our attention and have already proceeded to temporarily unrank a few pending further background changes. this should not have become an issue in the first place, and a consensus has been raised to address this more formally at the next meeting of staff.
Thanks a lot for this, guys! If anything, I'm satisfied with just Ass Up! being fixed (even if it did take a while >_>), though I remember there being at least two other maps that went through this.
be happy, the good backgrounds are disappearing from osu! ._.Ekaru wrote:
Thanks a lot for this, guys! If anything, I'm satisfied with just Ass Up! being fixed (even if it did take a while >_>), though I remember there being at least two other maps that went through this.
Cho_old
Yeah it's a human under bedsheets. But you're right, clearly because one background is offending a pathetically whiny and over-offended minority of the community it should be deleted.
As a side note given your playcount and time since joining would it really be that difficult for you to ignore that song ? Or is this just you getting fun out of having things you don't like for whatever disturbed reason changed ?
As a side note given your playcount and time since joining would it really be that difficult for you to ignore that song ? Or is this just you getting fun out of having things you don't like for whatever disturbed reason changed ?
Then download again and look at the folder. The bg is not the same, it was already changed. The thumbnail just sucks. Anyways the old pic was much better. o.oMithost wrote:
This was just ranked... Far from "Humans in bathing suits" if you ask me.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/45626
Since the only arguments that currently exist are, "I get embaressed" and "This is an all ages game", I would like to request an unranking for http://osu.ppy.sh/b/118380&m=0 and http://osu.ppy.sh/s/933 as it has explicit lyrics which clearly are not suitable for all ages. I also get embarrassed when playing this which totally means it should be unranked as well. kthx.
The thing with explicit lyrics is that they can be kept to the player through the use of headphones. Backgrounds can't be hidden from other people, so anybody in a young person's family is able to see and be offended by a naked loli with a feather over her labia. A vaguely sexual background could be fine if it fits the song's theme, but it's blindingly obvious that loli backgrounds are usually used to grab attention or indulge the mapper. Just don't do it, okay? Stop trying to defend this balderdash.JappyBabes wrote:
Since the only arguments that currently exist are, "I get embaressed" and "This is an all ages game", I would like to request an unranking for http://osu.ppy.sh/b/118380&m=0 and http://osu.ppy.sh/s/933 as it has explicit lyrics which clearly are not suitable for all ages. I also get embarrassed when playing this which totally means it should be unranked as well. kthx.
What about this? http://osu.ppy.sh/b/55041&m=0 The bg on Easy is fine? o.o
Cho_old
D33d wrote:
The thing with explicit lyrics is that they can be kept to the player through the use of headphones. Backgrounds can't be hidden from other people, so anybody in a young person's family is able to see and be offended by a naked loli with a feather over her labia.
And from what I can see nobody is defending "naked loli with a feather over her labia" style backgrounds, rather one's where it's people in swimsuits, under bedcovers, wearing clothes that cover more than just the bare minimum but not enough for some people's standards etc. And again. Nightcore does have a relation to suggestive images. It has *always* been that way.Ephemeral wrote:
this is not a place to discuss issues of playing questionable beatmaps in the presence of others. such a thing is a personal choice and particularly things of this nature are extremely specific to the individual in question, and is not a topic that is particularly fruitful to pursue.
Also, explicit lyrics should be treated just the same as explicit backgrounds going by what Ephermeal has said because it has nothing to do with an audience that may or may not exist.
The "Protect the children" attitude is just getting stupid now, growing up on Duke Nukem, Quake and Kingpin I never once cried about "OH SHE HAS LESS CLOTHING THAN WOULD REALISTICALLY BE SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE" or "HE SAID A BAD WORD". The people coming out with arguments like this seem to be adults for the most part making it all the more obvious that what needs to happen is for some of us to grow up.
That moment when Ass Up used pictures of asses up. ggD33d wrote:
A vaguely sexual background could be fine if it fits the song's theme
C:\Program Files (x86)\osu!\Songs\11947 Nightcore - Ass Up!D33d wrote:
Backgrounds can't be hidden from other people
What.
Also, what people under the age of 13 are even playing this game? Your entire post was focused on embarrassment which as Empheral said doesn't come into the argument. The fact is the argument was made that this is an all ages game, therefore NSFW music should not be permitted as it is not for all ages.
This is the truth. Loli with less clothes = nightcore. As long as it is not naked its fine.Cho wrote:
And from what I can see nobody is defending "naked loli with a feather over her labia" style backgrounds, rather one's where it's people in swimsuits, under bedcovers, wearing clothes that cover more than just the bare minimum but not enough for some people's standards etc. And again. Nightcore does have a relation to suggestive images. It has *always* been that way.
Altering files in beatmaps can get you banned in about 1-2 months. peppy is working on the thing that checks them now.JappyBabes wrote:
That moment when Ass Up used pictures of asses up. ggD33d wrote:
A vaguely sexual background could be fine if it fits the song's themeC:\Program Files (x86)\osu!\Songs\11947 Nightcore - Ass Up!D33d wrote:
Backgrounds can't be hidden from other people
What.
Also, what people under the age of 13 are even playing this game? Your entire post was focused on embarrassment which as Empheral said doesn't come into the argument. The fact is the argument was made that this is an all ages game, therefore NSFW music should not be permitted as it is not for all ages.
I think someone should be as comfortable playing rockband in their home as they should be playing osu!. The games are supposed to target a similar age group, yet one of them (In the view of a parent) involves clicking circles on "borderline cartoon child porn". I've heard these words come from a parent's mouth before about this game, which is why I'm not supporting the BGs. I know Nightcore = Loli, but most of you who are defending the BGs are also against a TOGGLE or a SECONDARY background of the mapper's choosing. That I don't understand completely.
People who say "avoid those maps"... I downloaded the Nightcore beatmap packs because I wanted to play on multiplayer more often, and most players have those songs. Anyone who wants to score high using the new pp scoring system will need to play a lot of newer maps, and the 20-30% of maps in question out of the equation, it's a handicap that shouldn't be there for someone who wants to play the game in the same house as children.
This is a video game, not porn. We shouldn't have to hide it the same way to the same people.
Actually I support this just as I told it before. I want this more than bg changes. ._.Mithost wrote:
...I know Nightcore = Loli, but most of you who are defending the BGs are also against a TOGGLE or a SECONDARY background of the mapper's choosing. That I don't understand completely.
Altering files. Lol'd at that point. Please, blindly follow what ppy thinks some more. It amuses me.Mithost wrote:
Altering files in beatmaps can get you banned
Yes, I am comfortable playing the game as is. osu's audience is primarily made up of 13-19. My mother has watched me play, what you would call an NSFW BG, http://osu.ppy.sh/s/34337 and she had no objection so I don't see why you're basing your personal opinion from a parent. And I haven't said in this thread that the original BGs should be the only thing. People can make less sexual BGs as alternatives for downloading if they want but with the main audience of osu it shouldn't be needed. If you can't handle some animu girls you should probably get off the internet.Mithost wrote:
I think someone should be as comfortable playing rockband in their home as they should be playing osu!. The games are supposed to target a similar age group, yet one of them (In the view of a parent) involves clicking circles on "borderline cartoon child porn". I've heard these words come from a parent's mouth before about this game, which is why I'm not supporting the BGs. I know Nightcore = Loli, but most of you who are defending the BGs are also against a TOGGLE or a SECONDARY background of the mapper's choosing. That I don't understand completely.
To date, I have not seen a single NSFW background on any map.Mithost wrote:
This is a video game, not porn. We shouldn't have to hide it the same way to the same people.
I'm just saying I'm reluctant to suggest this game to friends with younger siblings because I know for a fact they are going to run into these backgrounds, the kids are going to see it, and the parents could get pissed at my friend (and at me) for whatever reason regarding the backgrounds. I should be able to suggest these things to people without worrying about it, but as I've learned before, I can't. I've already gotten into some drama regarding other people's parents because of it.JappyBabes wrote:
Altering files. Lol'd at that point. Please, blindly follow what ppy thinks some more. It amuses me.Mithost wrote:
Altering files in beatmaps can get you bannedYes, I am comfortable playing the game as is. osu's audience is primarily made up of 13-19. My mother has watched me play, what you would call an NSFW BG, http://osu.ppy.sh/s/34337 and she had no objection so I don't see why you're basing your personal opinion from a parent. And I haven't said in this thread that the original BGs should be the only thing. People can make less sexual BGs as alternatives for downloading if they want but with the main audience of osu it shouldn't be needed. If you can't handle some animu girls you should probably get off the internet.Mithost wrote:
I think someone should be as comfortable playing rockband in their home as they should be playing osu!. The games are supposed to target a similar age group, yet one of them (In the view of a parent) involves clicking circles on "borderline cartoon child porn". I've heard these words come from a parent's mouth before about this game, which is why I'm not supporting the BGs. I know Nightcore = Loli, but most of you who are defending the BGs are also against a TOGGLE or a SECONDARY background of the mapper's choosing. That I don't understand completely.To date, I have not seen a single NSFW background on any map.Mithost wrote:
This is a video game, not porn. We shouldn't have to hide it the same way to the same people.
Did you not read Eph's post?Ephemeral wrote:
this is not a place to discuss issues of playing questionable beatmaps in the presence of others. such a thing is a personal choice and particularly things of this nature are extremely specific to the individual in question, and is not a topic that is particularly fruitful to pursue.
I think the Google is even worst than osu!. I mean if the 12yo try to search after a pic, he/she eventually find a nude real life girl.
At least google has safe search. It would be nice to have a age control thing on osu, or something.Kurokami wrote:
I think the Google is even worst than osu!. I mean if the 12yo try to search after a pic, he/she eventually find a nude real life girl.
Sorry Jabby, I missed it.
Alternate bg with a toggle, I guess. Well it is sounds good. But what about the "ecchi" songs?Mithost wrote:
It would be nice to have a age control thing on osu, or something.
Songs with "questionable" lyrics are usually more saturated with pre-teens already. Some of the new-age music is kinda out there.some Heavy Metal having lyrics that involve ripping off faces and raping people... *shudder* I feel old It's also a bit easier to conceal for the older player because they can use headphones when kids are in the room. There are no PC monitor sunglasses yet though, so we are stuck on the visual aspect of these songs.
The songs aren't being reranked with new BGs due to older players wanting to concealing what they're playing. It's to do with this game is supposed to be available to literally all ages which shouldn't be the case since people under 13 don't even play. Go re-read Eph's post.
Just rotate your monitor to face the wall.Mithost wrote:
Songs with "questionable" lyrics are usually more saturated with pre-teens already. Some of the new-age music is kinda out there.some Heavy Metal having lyrics that involve ripping off faces and raping people... *shudder*I feel oldIt's also a bit easier to conceal for the older player because they can use headphones when kids are in the room. There are no PC monitor sunglasses yet though, so we are stuck on the visual aspect of these songs.
If you are playing with other online games, like WoW, when your little brother/sister is come into your room you will turn off or what when you are in a middle of a boss fight which is a big spider or something? I guess, no.Mithost wrote:
Songs with "questionable" lyrics are usually more saturated with pre-teens already. Some of the new-age music is kinda out there.some Heavy Metal having lyrics that involve ripping off faces and raping people... *shudder*I feel oldIt's also a bit easier to conceal for the older player because they can use headphones when kids are in the room. There are no PC monitor sunglasses yet though, so we are stuck on the visual aspect of these songs.
Please avoid arguing about what is appropriate or not, but continue to point out any beatmaps that may have inappropriate content. We will make the decision of what needs to change, but I am definitely interested in seeing some of the stuff mentioned changed out (and have already started fixing those previously mentioned).
My favorite bg, but....this one is too much for a "3+" game.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/26946
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/26946