waaaaaahhh...

Confirmation.

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I'm pretty much 100% sure the rest will confirm.

Deadline is Monday at 11:59:59 PM central.

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With 16 alive, it's 9 to lynch.

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Vote: 0_o Because I have no one to really vote for yet.

strager wrote:

Vote: JInxyjem for insulting BanchoBait.

Vote strager

(Yes this is stupid. Sue Me.)

Role claim: Team Rocket Grunt.

I'm not in the Mafia, I swear! My ass gets kicked by 12 year old kids with mice!

So ... Many ... Choices
*crack*




Vote: Metruzero for having a name I'm not even sure I can make fun of.

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Vote: Wojjan for being last confirmed

Echo wrote:

Vote: Wojjan for being last confirmed

He's not, I think.

Vote: Echo because his name is an actual word

Vote: Echo because his name is an actual word


You see it's an unoriginal joke

word actual an is name his because Echo: Vote

Vote: strager

Butterflies are obviously scum.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Vote: strager

Butterflies are obviously scum.

fu

strager wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Vote: strager

Butterflies are obviously scum.

fu

I think you mean "f u"

I read "fu" as a fufufufufu laugh or ffffffuuuuu

:< Just for that I'm making my vote for strager even bigger and blue

Can you guys please unbold votes when quoting? It's confusing to read.

Echo wrote:

Can you guys please unbold votes when quoting? It's confusing to read.

That's quote tampering.

However, I am not going to vote on you for suggesting that. I've learned my lesson from M3.

I just found out I'm not last on the list, thepianist is yet to reply.

vote: Echo for lying

...no wait, we need him here to win

Unvote
Vote: adam for using small text, you filthy hypocrite.

Wojjan wrote:

If I got it right, I'm the last to confirm. So I will.
/confirm
let the RVS begin

Nope, I'm last to confirm. :]

Vote Wojian for lying. ^^ haha

...I just said that you!
FOS: thepianist for getting ninja'd =P

Wojjan wrote:

vote: Echo for lying

...no wait, we need him here to win

Serious vote here.

Unvote
Vote: Wojjan

Wojjan wrote:

FOS: thepianist for getting ninja'd =P

rawr.

anyways i need to subscribe to this thread and this post will do nicely.

thepianist wrote:

anyways i need to subscribe to this thread and this post will do nicely.

#forumshit

thepianist wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

FOS: thepianist for getting ninja'd =P

rawr.

anyways i need to subscribe to this thread and this post will do nicely.

You'll be getting LOTS of emails then XP

strager please explain your "serious vote" for those less gifted among us

thepianist wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

If I got it right, I'm the last to confirm. So I will.
/confirm
let the RVS begin

Nope, I'm last to confirm. :]

Vote Wojian for lying. ^^ haha

FUUUUUUUUU

Trying to claim my last confirmation D:

Vote: thepianist

Oh also, /confirm :>

PS
Role claim: Mafia Roleblocker.

PPS
brbsuicide

Your lying and I can tell. No one would just go out and say that they were the Mafia Roleblocker.

rust45 wrote:

Your lying and I can tell. No one would just go out and say that they were the Mafia Roleblocker.

You're

Vote: Lucidity
Claiming Mafia is clearly WIFOM.

Vote: Lucidity

It's quite possible that she is just the jester.

Confirmin'~

Gary was here, Ash is a loser.

Vote: Echo for being a grammer nazi. I'm ignoring Ludicity because that would still be suicide since no one would vote for you.

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Votecount 1:

Wojjan - 2 (thepianist, strager)
Lucidity - 2 (Echo, adam2046)
Echo - 2 (Metruzero, rust45)
strager - 1 (Derekku)
adam2046 - 1 (Wojjan)
thepianist - 1 (Lucidity)
rust45 - 1 (JInxyjem)

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Vote: Wojjan

Thats for ditching me during the tourney.


Edit: Sob Story. it touched me.

Vote: thepianist

I TOLD YOU, MY PC WAS BROKEN DURING SIGNUPS!
It took one week orso to fix, and after that you never showed up again to ask me :(

hey wait a minute, I'm on L1! Take off your vote DxS, I'll play with you next time, I promise I promise I promise! You can pick the team name :3

Don't kill me =((

So uh...Rust and Lucidity for mafia?

adam2046 wrote:

So uh...Rust and Lucidity for mafia?

I think so.

Unvote
Vote Lucidity

May aswell find out.
Unvote
Vote:Lucidity

Rust45 I forgot how much of an ass you are to me in #mod

Unvote

Vote: Rust45

Lucidiy: 3
Rust45: 2

BANDWAGON!
If we are going to kill both, go with the majority.

Unvote rust45
Vote Lucidity


Lucidiy: 4
Rust45: 1

Let's score a majority then, if he'll get lynched anyway. No point in waiting for 2 more days for the deadline to kick in

Vote Lucidity to move things along

Votecount 1:

Lucidity - 5 (Echo, adam2046, thepianist, JInxyjem, Wojjan)
Echo - 2 (Metruzero, rust45)
Wojjan - 1 (strager)
strager - 1 (Derekku)
thepianist - 1 (Lucidity)
rust45 - 1 (DxS)

EDIT: Nevermind.

Vote thepianist. I don't know what's with bandwagoning.

Echo wrote:

Vote: Lucidity
Claiming Mafia is clearly WIFOM.

That does seem very plausible.

Unvote
Vote: Lucidity.

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Unvote
Vote: Echo again.

So if Lucidity is jester, it's in the mafia's best interests to NK her tonight (since the jester loses that way) if she's still alive tomorrow I will lynch her. (and I strongly urge everyone else to do so aswell)

Back to an old vote we go

My FOS on rust still counts,so
vote rust45

Lolzies

Clearly I was just joking around, it is the first day after all

A few bits of interesting info has come as a result of it though.

adam2046 wrote:

So uh...Rust and Lucidity for mafia?

This post is interesting for two reasons:

1. He gives no justification for accusing Rust of being mafia.
2. He starts an almost successful bandwagon push to vote me off.

It is of course in the interest of the mafia to get townies lynched. And what better way than a quick bandwagon before anyone knows what's going on? He reacted with shock and outrage at ASH voting strager off in a similar fashion in Mafia 3...Why the change of heart? Voting me while saying "May as well find out" in a nonchalant manner...Ya.

Wojjan wrote:

Let's score a majority then, if he'll get lynched anyway. No point in waiting for 2 more days for the deadline to kick in

Vote Lucidity to move things along

Wojjan was in Mafia 3 as well where a quick bandwagon vote resulted in a vanilla townie getting killed...Clearly he knows that voting that fast doesn't end well. Why would he encourage the same behavior here? Simple: He knows I'm not mafia and wants to get an easy lynch that benefits the mafia.

adam just becomes more suspicious with each post:

adam2046 wrote:

So if Lucidity is jester, it's in the mafia's best interests to NK her tonight (since the jester loses that way) if she's still alive tomorrow I will lynch her. (and I strongly urge everyone else to do so aswell)

You're very committed to get rid of me, aren't you?: ) How can you have such strong convictions so early in the game? Unless you're privy to information that the rest of us aren't. Information that a member of the mafia would have?

Furthermore, your reasoning for voting me out doesn't make sense. In your post you're convinced that I'm the jester. So you plead with the mafia to NK me, thus eliminating the threat of winning by death to lynching. Fair enough. You then go on to "strongly urge" everyone else to lynch me the following day if the mafia doesn't NK me? Wait wut. What would have changed in that period? If I'm the jester then I still win if you get your way. So that begs the question...Why are you so sure of yourself...?

Then there's thepianist who changes his vote after every post that points a finger at someone...Hmm.

For now I find adam and Wojjan the most suspicious.

Unvote
Vote: adam2046

Mod: I'm not sure if I missed it, but are the roles that are at play in this game given somewhere? (If someone else can answer please do)

If you're the jester it's in the mafia's best interests to kill you off tonight because I would like everyone to lynch you tomorrow.
You see, if you're the jester everyone else loses if you're lynched including the mafia, so if we create a situation where we lynch you tomorrow no matter what the mafia would have to kill you first in order to win.

If you're the roleblocker (I saw no jest in your claim) you will still be alive tomorrow, and we will lynch you (hopefully)

adam2046 wrote:

If you're the jester it's in the mafia's best interests to kill you off tonight because I would like everyone to lynch you tomorrow.
You see, if you're the jester everyone else loses if you're lynched including the mafia, so if we create a situation where we lynch you tomorrow no matter what the mafia would have to kill you first in order to win.

Exactly my point...You're trying to create a situation where I have to be disposed of, whether I'm the Jester or not. If everyone doesn't agree to your plan to lynch me on Day 2 the mafia has no motivation to kill me on Night 1. Furthermore, who says there's even a Jester in the game? Like I said before, you're way too confident in your claims to not be suspicious. It looks like you're trying to lock in a non-mafia lynch to me.

Have you considered that if I actually were the Jester that I wouldn't make it that obvious? Roleclaim mafia to get voted and then vote for myself? And don't give me that WIFOM crap

adam2046 wrote:

If you're the roleblocker (I saw no jest in your claim) you will still be alive tomorrow, and we will lynch you (hopefully)

Oh come on;p Everyone was joking around (still are). Using WIFOM as a basis for voting is silly. There's absolutely no justification for using that, except paranoia. Or maybe trying to mislead others.

Furthermore, how can you use WIFOM to accuse me of being both Mafia and a Jester? You're just trying to plant as many seeds of doubt as you can. Scummy scummy behavior :@

*Insert WIFOM crap here*

I think I've proven my point with the above references and accusations.

Lucidity, don't act all "you're trying to kill me ;((" since you tried to kill yourself aswell. You VOTED for you, you claimed Mafia, and now you suddenly turn around, jump the shark, and try to survive.
I think the town won't buy your show and if the Mafia doesn't get you, we WILL.
Also, vote count plies?

Mod Notes:

1: ANY kind of role could be in this game, and the roles are unknown.

2: If I ever use a Jester, a Jester win does not end the game.

3: Any wins in this game are all equal. There is no "second place".

4: Please bold all votes. (Pasonia)

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Votecount:

rust45 - 3 (DxS, thepianist, Wojjan)
Echo - 3 (Metruzero, rust45, adam2046)
Lucidity - 2 (Echo, JInxyjem)
Wojjan - 2 (strager, 0_o)
strager - 1 (Derekku)
adam2046 - 1 (Lucidity)

Wojjan: Bah you ninja'd my early votecount posting and now it's worthless. WORTHLESS!

Lucidity wrote:

Have you considered that if I actually were the Jester that I wouldn't make it that obvious? Roleclaim mafia to get voted and then vote for myself? And don't give me that WIFOM crap

If you are jester, then your behaviour could have been banking on the fact that no one here knows about the jester role (since there are no role lists this game).

EDIT: ninja'd by Suburu
hmm, all wins are equal? OK in that case I doubt we have a jester, since the main obstacle of being a jester is not letting the mafia know about you, since the mafia would be motivated to kill you so they don't lose. Without the mafia's motivation to kill the jester, the role would be too easy to win with.

You're killing me here Subi ...

adam2046 wrote:

You're killing me here Subi ...

By proving my innocence? haha ;p You and Wojjan are so suspicious -.-

LadySuburu wrote:

1: ANY kind of role could be in this game, and the roles are unknown.

Mod: Could you post a list of all the kind of roles that could possibly be in here? What's the overall list you're working from? There are many different game setups out there :O For instance if I've played a game with an elf character who has this and that ability, but no one else has played with that char before they wouldn't know about it...

So a list that specifies all the possible roles so everyone's on the same page would be great

haha...yeah.

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Yaay, Bobby Stars is here, now we'll all have fun.

Also, Lucidity, you could aswell elaborate why you see me and adam as one person.

Lucidity wrote:

Mod: Could you post a list of all the kind of roles that could possibly be in here? What's the overall list you're working from? There are many different game setups out there :O For instance if I've played a game with an elf character who has this and that ability, but no one else has played with that char before they wouldn't know about it...

So a list that specifies all the possible roles so everyone's on the same page would be great

Sorry, but no. With the roles being unknown, someone could claim any role with any power. After that, it'll be up to you to believe them or not. Of course, any actual actions that are done have to be within the scope of your powers, but you can claim to be able to do whatever you want. inb4postclaimingtobeabletodowhatevertheywant

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I missed a couple pages, anyway, unvote
Vote:adam For randomly thinking I was mafia. Seems as though he wants to dispose of me.

Mm...I see how this works now...but rather a bit to late for me to make a change.

unvote

Vote: Ludicity

rust, if I wanted to dispose of you, I'd be voting for you...

I've made a minor change to a few people's roles. I sent PMs to those who have been affected.

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Mafia are not allowed to discuss until nightime.

*was busy moving furniture and shit even though it's a holiday*

Aaaaand anything I was going to say has already been said. WIFOM, Jester, cherry cheesecake, etc.

I'll check back later~

adam2046 wrote:

Mafia are not allowed to discuss until nightime.

Roles aren't specified anywhere...Nice try though.

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Wojjan seems to be reffering to the town as "we"
"I think the town won't buy your show and if the Mafia doesn't get you, we WILL."
he's talking in the future tense and predicting what will happen: The town wont believe you so if the mafia don't kill you "we" (being the town) will.
It's really quite clear.
He didn't say the town wouldn't lynch.

I'm not going to talk about your accusation because we all know where that'll lead us (Mafia 2 "but you said it" "k I'm it then" "k you're mafia" "alright then I'm not" "but you said-" "ALRIGHT I AM" "no you're not, yes you are" "SHUT THE FUCK UP!")
Hint: I'm not

I really don't think IMO that anyone would claim to be mafia like that even as a joke unless they're an idiot ^_^
So for me those are the only 2 immediate (find me some others k?) possibilities.

I do find Wojjan quite suspicious (reasons listed by absolutely everyone too boring to make people read them again)
Unvote
Back to voting Rust

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Lucidity wrote:

Echo wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

Have you considered that if I actually were the Jester that I wouldn't make it that obvious? Roleclaim mafia to get voted and then vote for myself?

Lucidity wrote:

Using WIFOM as a basis for voting is silly. There's absolutely no justification for using that, except paranoia. Or maybe trying to mislead others.

I sense inconsistency.

Where ? :<

The first quote is WIFOM, while the second is condemning WIFOM.

"Have you considered that if I actually were the Jester that I wouldn't make it that obvious?"

Yes. But then you'd have know that, so that's why you did it. But you counted on us thinking that which means you know we won't think you're the Jester. But you would have counter-countered us so you *are* the Jester etc. etc.

WIFOM is bad for townies because all it does is lead you to an endless loop of thoughts which ultimately gets resolved by a *guess* at what you think the other person is more likely to do. That undermines the point of the game. It derails the thoughts of people and makes them focus on useless guesswork. WIFOM distracts people, and therefore scum can use it to misdirect townies. Townies should avoid WIFOM. There is no point in using it.

I completely agree with that. And yet all the votes against me are based on WIFOM?

At times like these Ockham's razor jumps to mind.

I guess you could call the first quote WIFOM. It is also condemning WIFOM though. I'm saying that I would not use such an obvious WIFOM strategy, since WIFOM isn't any basis to vote on. I wouldn't expect anyone in the game to vote based on WIFOM. There's also the rather large inconsistency of voting for myself before I got close to being lynched. A Jester would not do that.

Simplicity. "Joking around" is the simplest explanation for my actions, and from a neutral perspective has to be the most likely reason for them.

My initial vote remains, after all these discussion.

I see no reason to change my vote.

I have no idea what just happened but I will keep my vote for lucidity. Who the heck cares if we let the jester win? Personally, I see no problem.

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Lucidity wrote:

I completely agree with that. And yet all the votes against me are based on WIFOM?

At times like these Ockham's razor jumps to mind.

I guess you could call the first quote WIFOM. It is also condemning WIFOM though. I'm saying that I would not use such an obvious WIFOM strategy, since WIFOM isn't any basis to vote on. I wouldn't expect anyone in the game to vote based on WIFOM. There's also the rather large inconsistency of voting for myself before I got close to being lynched. A Jester would not do that.

Simplicity. "Joking around" is the simplest explanation for my actions, and from a neutral perspective has to be the most likely reason for them.

Would you please stop saying WIFOM, I think the entire point of this post was to see how many times you could say WIFOM in one post.

So anyway if you had read my posts in the other thread I told everyone that I found anyone who voted themselves suspicious on the grounds that humans should not vote themselves even as a joke.

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adam2046 wrote:

So anyway if you had read my posts in the other thread I told everyone that I found anyone who voted themselves suspicious on the grounds that humans should not vote themselves even as a joke.

Why should townies not vote for themselves even as a joke? Other than getting the WIFOM fanatics all fired up, there's no logical "sinister plan" that accompanies such a vote, is there?

Also, WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM.

PS WIFOM.

PPS Role Claim: Cop. I investigated myself and found me not guilty. Joy ^_^

If you were a townie and voted for yourself, that would not be a pro-town action. You would be creating confusion, which hinders the mafia-finding process. As a pro-town member, you should be ultimately trying to secure a victory for the town, and voting for yourself does not help that in anyway.

While joke voting of course doesn't generally lead to assured things, voting for yourself assuredly leads to a situation undesirable for the town, assuming you are a townie. And why would you do that?!

*drinks the beer in front of him*

That makes sense at any stage of the game except (the initial stages of) Day 1. There is effectively no way to make an informed decision so all the votes are either joke votes or random votes. My vote was cast before any real discussion had begun. It wasn't its intended effect, but it got discussion going and even (In my mind) provided some valuable information to the game. Possible collusion between adam and Wojjan and definite suspicious activity by Wojjan. This is surely a positive thing for the townies, showing that "Don't vote for yourself" isn't a rule cast in stone never to be challenged. It shouldn't always lead to confusion, unless some players insist that it does.

Another thing to consider is that voting for yourself doesn't change anything in the game. Unless you're close to the deadline and stand a real chance of being lynched because of majority vote, your self-vote should have no impact at all. No character other than the Jester benefits from being lynched. The Jester wouldn't vote for himself at any other stage than L-1 though. In the end voting for yourself is an odd thing to do, but ultimately has no effect on the game. Of course there are various scenarios later on in the game which might invalidate that statement, but certainly on Day 1 it is true. Or is my logic completely wrong?

Is it really so hard to believe that my role claim was a joke? :p Yeah, I won't be doing it in any future games and I'm learning as I go, but I still can't see why it's such a scummy action. Even after all these pages.

Mod: Could we have a vote count please?

Wojjan: Mafia wouldn't be stupid enough to roleclaim themselves. I believe that you're just trying to push as much suspicion onto Lucidity as you can to remove people's suspicion of you.

Unvote.
Vote: Wojjan

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Tbh WIFOM only exists in the remote regions of a paranoid mind.

Echo wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

The Jester wouldn't vote for himself at any other stage than L-1 though.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Mafia wouldn't be stupid enough to roleclaim themselves.

What are these quotes called again? Starts with W, ends with M, etc., etc.

>_> Regardless, there's no point at all to claim mafia other than to joke around or be stupid. Or unless one really is mafia and just doesn't want to play but then fuck them for signing up in the first place XP

Wait, are you guys still thinking there's a jester this game? With LS's clarified rules I seriously doubt it..'

also still voting Wojjan

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