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Mikey

[AirCoN] wrote:

Voker isn't even imba, just that most players don't know what to do in situations against him.

seriously, most voker players use the shittiest combo alive, which is emp + tornado, and still rape the majority of pubs. Facepalm.

Venomancer is my most successful hero though, 7-1, lost once but that game was really, really, really close, went on for 60 minutes.

Huskar is my next successful hero, at 6-3.

All of the other heroes are either 2-0, 2-1, 2-2, 1-0, 1-1, 1-2, 0-1, 0-2. I play every hero in dota, so yea, I only ever counterpick when I want to win.

However, I feel that the funnest hero is actually sniper. I go Take aim + Headshot > Assasinate > Stats, since shrapnel is considered the worst spell. He is fun cause he requires a lot of skill to play, like abuse of mechanics, epic positioning, etc.
holy jesus christ you sound so bad.
invoker isnt imba? have you seen his lane presence? surely something that incredibly strong would have some form of weakness later on in the game? not invoker, and with his bulky stat gain he is not even squishy anymore, so sure you can silence him but hes not exactly like storm or clinkz in terms of being easy to pick off. he has 10 spells, and so many of them (coldsnap, tornado, sunstrike) are some of THE best spells in the game. he is simply too powerful, at all levels.
as for your sniper skill build, i thought it was a joke at first. the fact that you dont even get shrapnel is a joke. also, you should max range at early game, keeping headshot at level one, as the improvements are insignificant, and secondly max shrapnel. and no, despite how badly you want to convince yourself of this, sniper is not ranked as a skillful hero to play, infact he is one of the most notorious right clickers, all you need is a good mindset and positioning (stay back, fuck that sounds really hard)
Icyteru

Mikey wrote:

[AirCoN] wrote:

Voker isn't even imba, just that most players don't know what to do in situations against him.

seriously, most voker players use the shittiest combo alive, which is emp + tornado, and still rape the majority of pubs. Facepalm.

Venomancer is my most successful hero though, 7-1, lost once but that game was really, really, really close, went on for 60 minutes.

Huskar is my next successful hero, at 6-3.

All of the other heroes are either 2-0, 2-1, 2-2, 1-0, 1-1, 1-2, 0-1, 0-2. I play every hero in dota, so yea, I only ever counterpick when I want to win.

However, I feel that the funnest hero is actually sniper. I go Take aim + Headshot > Assasinate > Stats, since shrapnel is considered the worst spell. He is fun cause he requires a lot of skill to play, like abuse of mechanics, epic positioning, etc.
holy jesus christ you sound so bad.
invoker isnt imba? have you seen his lane presence? surely something that incredibly strong would have some form of weakness later on in the game? not invoker, and with his bulky stat gain he is not even squishy anymore, so sure you can silence him but hes not exactly like storm or clinkz in terms of being easy to pick off. he has 10 spells, and so many of them (coldsnap, tornado, sunstrike) are some of THE best spells in the game. he is simply too powerful, at all levels.
as for your sniper skill build, i thought it was a joke at first. the fact that you dont even get shrapnel is a joke. also, you should max range at early game, keeping headshot at level one, as the improvements are insignificant, and secondly max shrapnel. and no, despite how badly you want to convince yourself of this, sniper is not ranked as a skillful hero to play, infact he is one of the most notorious right clickers, all you need is a good mindset and positioning (stay back, fuck that sounds really hard)
The funny thing is, I'm not bad. True, me saying invoker isn't imba or my sniper build is not "recommended" is highly debatable, however I am not bad.

I used to be like you. I used to think invoker was imbalanced due to all the points you made. If this was me before I started playing competitive, I would agree with you. I understand why you think I'm bad, however, it all comes with experience.

You probably play really well, probably being able to dominate most games and have core knowledge about the game.

However, I have my reasons for saying so. The truth is, invoker is one of the easiest heroes to play to a high potential. He just has too many skills for every situation. That doesn't make him imbalanced though.

A person that can play sniper to his full potential will probably be able to beat a good invoker player.

Oh, and have a look at shrapnel. JUST LOOK AT IT. It is the worst scaling damage, slow, and aoe you can possibly get in a skill. It doesn't help him farm, or even less kill. Let's say you are accompanied with a stun. What will shrapnel do?

and now you say sniper is the most notorious right clicker in the game. Exactly, that is what makes him hard and fun to play. He can't do much, he can only right click. Unlike voker, he doesn't have stun, nuke, etc. When was the last time you have seen a sniper dominate a pub game? And now when was the last time you have seen invoker dominate a pub game? Sniper is considered shit-tier in pub games because he has a low success rate, and invoker is considered "imba" because, contrary to popular belief, even if you suck, you can still do well and not feed.

Oh, I wasn't being disrespectful by the way. Everyone can have their own item/skill builds since dota is just that type of game, but I am arguing my point of view here.

And just another thing, everyone has their own way of playing, not many people play with my style of unconventional builds, but they work. They work better than the conventional builds. You would not know how much satisfaction one (me) gets when your whole team rages at you for jungle SF, and then you proceed to carry your team. (note: Jungle SF works, so does blink dagger weaver.) One does not simply theorycraft in dota, you gotta try it to see if it works.



PS: Ursa is overpowered.
EDIT:

1: I never said invoker wasn't that good. I said invoker wasn't imbalanced.

2: Playing sniper to his maximum potential is fucking difficult

EDIT 2:

Okay, I just reread my post and I realised I sound like an aggressive troll. However, I just wanted to express my passion for this game.

How about we just drop this imbalance subject and discuss the new item icons and UI.
Haseo_old
POTM IS HUMAN

DISCUSS
Icyteru
Dota 1 or 2.
Magicphoenix
DotA 2-potm cracks me up every time, the arrows flies like up his ass and he still dodges that shit!
But well, she's still a good hero, if you play her properly she can start getting game-deciding throughout the game but just not as extreme as some others, kinda like a Allround-hero. What I hate when ppl play her is when they do 24/7 farm = = Sure, it's good for a carry but she needs to put out her mid-game impact with her over 9k nuke dmg :|

ED : Here's a good example. Take a look at 2:30 How could that not hit !? Not like I dislike LightOfHeaven, but he got some big bug-profit that game !
Mikey
Are you from BA aircon?
Soulclenz
Aircon, I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to agree with Mikey here. Experimenting on heroes doesn't happen much these days because multiple builds on every single hero in game have been beyond fine tuned by the community, and anything "new" that you see a pro player pull off in a match is quickly adapted into the meta game for all pubs to attempt, and most likely fail (Dendi carry ES for example). If you're making "unconventional" builds, which is just another way of saying you don't really know what you're doing, on heroes like Sniper, and claiming that he's a hard hero to play it just makes you look silly.

Playing sniper at maximum potential isn't difficult at all. You should perhaps look into what making "unconventional" builds does to your fellow teammates, probably throws them off quite a bit, and i don't blame them for raging. Sure you may win your games but that certainly doesn't make you an overly good player as you seem to think.

Also just as an aside, you are aware that shrapnel deals damage to buildings right? One of the few spells in game that does.
Icyteru
Doesn't deal much damage to buildings though. This build isn't actually unconventional, it is accepted by many people. Also the fact that sniper is one of the hardest heroes to master and play properly is also accepted. Maybe not for you though.
And Mikey, who are you on BA?
I'm Redjuice, Cirno, Dendi, [Tenshi], XBOCT, Synclicity, Huke, Urabe, meRRynightmare, suRe, moogleisBIG, TRIGSTR_50009, [AirCoN], and about 20 more aliases that I wish to not name.
Fabi
LOL, you should have a lot of alias :P, is it because of win/loose rate?
Icyteru
It's because I hoard them lol. BA invites are worth a lot, so having over 50 of them proves my e-peen.

And yea, some of them got some pretty bad reputation, which i haven't named.
Magicphoenix
How about naming your current name instead of your 50 aliases no one wants to know? Won't be able to find you with old names, you know
Icyteru
I quit BA ages ago lol, I also recently uninstalled Dota 2.

my most recent BA alias was probably "redjuice".

EDIT: I just realised, what do you mean by "find"? How do you find a single user on a large gaming network. It doesn't even keep stats lol.
Magicphoenix
Sry, I seem to misunderstand something, don't even know what BA means. Nvm
lukewarmholiday
I need more people to play with.

I'm good to play with because I don't have downs syndrome. I'm just really stupid, I'm moving up in the world.
Soulclenz

lukewarmholiday wrote:

I need more people to play with.

I'm good to play with because I don't have downs syndrome. I'm just really stupid, I'm moving up in the world.
Feel free to play with me if you'd like.
lukewarmholiday
No your avatar clearly indicates downs syndrome I only accept stupid people and above.
Soulclenz
Ok =(.
foulcoon
lawl luke. I would play but I'm currently no-lifing TERA. Perhaps I will have to take a break sometime.
Cyclone
luke and foul, let's play sometime.
mosluv
Anyone want a key?
Icyteru
^Yes. But you have no reason to give me, so it would be a gift to a random person on the internet. Your choice.
foulcoon
Cyclone add me on steam, steam ID: foulcoon

i have luke on mine already it hink
Cyclone
nexy i have a friend asking for a key if you haven't given it away yet.

I'll add you when i'm home foul
mosluv
@[AirCoN] & Cyclone: I have 2 keys so add junioz on steam or you can give me the email address to gift it to. Whatever works best for you.
lukewarmholiday
Foul you removed me I think, you cant really search my name because dumb characters are in my name but http://steamcommunity.com/id/lukewarmholiday
Hiryuu_old
if anyone needs an additional person in the party, i'm up for games, i'm not retarded but i can be stupid sometimes.
ID:LaoXing18 (i can play on USW & USE & EU)
Mercurial
I have to play with you all someday.
lukewarmholiday
It's depressing I still have more posts than you two, @ cyc and foul.
Cyclone
I was never trying. I rarely post unless i have to.
lukewarmholiday
idk invite me on steam or something, I'm always on. Don't have any classes or anything this summer ~.~
Icyteru
Synclicity.
lukewarmholiday
Aside from cyclone it would help if you identified yourself before inviting me ~.~
foulcoon
ok bitch i'm adding you, take a wild guess at which one is me if you have more than one invite
Mercurial
http://steamcommunity.com/id/mercurialezequiel

For everyone who wants to add me.
Tshemmp
Sing Sing at 4:23

Magicphoenix
Wondering if that was the real Chuan :D
I also think the Lich-marathon was funnier than SingSing's ;3
Mercurial
Pugna GG
Zeus GG
Axe + Dark Seer GG
Storm GG
Randy96

iMercurial wrote:

Axe GG
FTFY
Mikey
Magicphoenix
saw game :) tiny was awesome + that game only proves that runes are heavily underestimated. You don't only need them for your bottle regen and early early-mid gangs/control ...

Also, if you haven't seen any DotA 2 movies yet, do so, they are slowly coming...

Recommendable channels would also be natusvinceretv, DotaCinema & WoDotA for short-clips and top 10s
Fabi
Wow, nice videos. Commentator from the first video was very energetic hahaha
Tshemmp
The commentator was TobiWan, don't you know him? O_O
Fabi
No :(. I barely watch streams.
Mikey
tobiwan annoys the shit out of me, probably because im australian and his over ecstatic accent and tone of voice is just off putting
Magicphoenix
Dagon OP
Mercurial
Dagon... your best friend.
Magicphoenix
Carry Omni or GTFO
Hiryuu_old
Icyteru
Dayum, they really need wodota to do the top 10, I'm unsatisified with this half assed editing (i can't edit myself though, but i have bias against dotacinema)
Magicphoenix
WoDotA officially announced a Dota 2 Top 10 Weekly already, not sure when they will start with it though.
Tshemmp
"And most of all... BEING ELECTRIC!"
Haha, so they are going to use this song for DOTA 2 Top 10, too.
Magicphoenix
No WoDotA without Electric :D
(Actually managed to get into WoDotA twice with my 2 only submissions, you can get in there pretty easily with mediocre-good moves which you can notice at best from 10th -> 3rd)
Mercurial
WoDotA without Flying Steps isn't WoDotA.

/thread
Tshemmp
So iG has got an invite for The International 2.
And http://gosugamers.net/dota2/rankings/12774. What the hell.
Magicphoenix
'Cause you don't know shit.
Just don't post anything useless like that when you actually have no clue of how it really is :)
Magicphoenix
Dota 2 song, pretty decent I must say //although the lyrics don't really focus on Dota 2, maybe they just named it DOTA 2 Lore to get some views and attentions :D Cool song either way
Icyteru
It was only a matter of time before aL would be invited, however where did these all these American teams come from?
Magicphoenix
They're making serious competition against all European teams since months already lol :D
Magicphoenix
WoDotA

ED : Not very cool volume though. At least QoP shoulda gone to #5 or so
Icyteru
Number 1 shouldn't even be featured in this video.
Magicphoenix
Same with every other number besides Queen of Pain and mb Windrunner
Senhime
QoP was really the only better clip, lucky though. I liked #4 as well.
Mercurial
Look that profile /o/

Icyteru
Spectre with Clinkz Banner? Seems legit.
Mercurial
I can't find any picture of the Spectre in DotA 2. =/
Senhime

iMercurial wrote:

I can't find any picture of the Spectre in DotA 2. =/
I don't think they did any promotional artwork for Spectre. :( I can only find some half decent fan art.
Pizzicato
finally got the urge to install steam and play dota 2. cant wait to try the gameeee
Xylem Beer


rofl win. Especially Rhasta and Storm.
Hiryuu_old
hah, storm and venom was pretty good.
foulcoon
storm spirit and rhasta were definitley the best lol
Musty
GIMME BETA KEY

Anyways, that's pretty cool to see this thread ( a bit lately lol )
Mercurial
Ogre Magi has been added.

Also...

3:42 Spectre HAHAHAHAHA
Pizzicato
Slardar so OP 3rd skill has no cooldown lol
Fabi

foulcoon wrote:

storm spirit and rhasta were definitley the best lol
Yeah, damn, I laughed with those.

ZZZIP, ZAAAP, IM OVER HEREEE, HERE I AAAAM, OVER HERE NOW, HA HAAAI, TUSHYYYYY, HOO HOOO!

EDIT: Video from the same guy.



LOL
Nekoroll

iMercurial wrote:

3:42 Spectre HAHAHAHAHA
Hahaha yeah, I laughed pretty hard at that. All of them were pretty amusing. :D
Icyteru

Musty wrote:

GIMME BETA KEY

Anyways, that's pretty cool to see this thread ( a bit lately lol )
I never used the beta invite that Cyclone gave me a few pages back, want it?
Mercurial
I need a Key for a friend... Could I send you a PM?
Senhime
Magicphoenix
^I approve
Mercurial

Magicphoenix wrote:

^I approve
yeahyeahyeahhh
Anyone need an extra key? I think I got one thats still good.
Tshemmp
Noobita

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

Anyone need an extra key? I think I got one thats still good.
yes please ^-^
Mercurial
I need one here.

Edit: I found some cool DotA 2 avatars, who want one, just send me a PM-
UnderminE

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

Anyone need an extra key? I think I got one thats still good.
Yes but.. ah /late
Icyteru

UnderminE wrote:

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

Anyone need an extra key? I think I got one thats still good.
Yes but.. ah /late
Cyclone, I sent UnderminE your invite, but it turned out to be used already.
Pizzicato
new patch bugged :<
yeahyeahyeahhh
Hats
Mercurial
Axe Hat
foulcoon
I think they just hinted that techies is going to be the next release?
yeahyeahyeahhh
Nope, next 3 heros

foulcoon
where do you get this pic
Icyteru
gyro, PA, CK eh. Nice.
yeahyeahyeahhh

foulcoon wrote:

where do you get this pic
Dota 2 site
Magicphoenix
#1 :D
Tshemmp
Nice intro but boring scenes. I only liked the very last scene with Naix.
There are too many Top 10 videos right now...
Pizzicato


are you fucking kidding me it could get better
Icyteru

Pizzicato wrote:



are you fucking kidding me it could get better
Nah, they don't think of it as a beta since noone apart from a select few is actually playing it for testing. The true beta is dota 2 test. It is still gonna get massive updates like before, just that beta is not the suitable word to describe the game anymore.

But it was beta when I got into the game in October last year, where there were no more than 200 players online at any one time.
Pizzicato
Tshemmp
Yeah, I like this video but Episode 2 is funnier imo.
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