Okay, all votes that have been made have been counted.

Also:

* There is only ONE Preist.

* I never duplicate Aux roles other than maybe the Vigilante: if they die before they can use their gun, sometimes, in bigger games, another human will find the gun and become the new Vigilante.

Regarding the matter of switching out Commandhat for Saturos Fangirl

My Opinion: This upsets me just a bit; something similar happened with TLOS in WWG #1, but his problem was apparently much worse, as he never posted once or even cast a lynch vote. The only solution to that was to allow him to kill himself, which I really hated doing. Apparently there's at least one person every WWG who signs up without reading the "this game is a committment" clause. I would really prefer not to have to do such things.

My Decision: Seeing as Commandhat is bent on getting out of this game (and for all intents and purposes it seems will continue to be such), and Saturos Fangirl has expressed interest in taking his place, I will reluctantly allow SFG to take his place pending two things:

1) Commandhat and SFG both make a post agreeing to this proposed switch.
2) When that happens, I will send SFG a Role ID (with Commandhat's role, whatever it may be).

At that time, Commandhat will no longer be a part of this Werewolf Game; I will remove his name from all status lists and his current vote for himself will be invalidated because he is no longer playing.

Commandhat: a reminder that if this happens, you are NOT to forward SFG your Role ID because I will send her a new one myself (the rules forbid forwarding of Role IDs).

Okay, uh...I guess that's all for now then.

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Larto wrote:

Vote nardi.

There are several reasons why him.
Rolled was the first to vote for him. Now Rolled is dead
nardi claimed to be the priest while he's definitely NOT. (animask said in his last words he was the priest, why would the dead lie?)

1. To be a douche
2. To confuse the humans (if he's an assassin)
3. If he was lying before but he's a human, just for the "i told you so" feeling

I wholeheartedly agree to switch (i wouldnt have gone through all the trouble of posting as a nonplayer multiple times if i wasnt committed) so long as commandhat is willing, although i guess ill have to wait on his side of things...

You idiot!
You have to bring Rolled back or we will lynch you tonight.
There is no other way around this.
And look on the bright side, the wolves are less likely to kill someone after they used their one time power.
We can be certain Rolled is human so we can bring him back no harm done and there's a chance he too is an aux.


Edit: lol "there's is"
Double Edit: Vote Nardi. This is your chance to save yourself.

Nardi, i am waiting for that rez, you have till sunday.

VOTE FOR PEDRO Nardi11011

The Japanese lines were my own thoughts, not assassin speaking. Italics usually denote thoughts anyway?

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Sorry, I won't post again.

Who should the priest revive

Rolled's the only one we can be certain is human.

Uh, why? Just wondering.

Oh, right, sorry, didn't thought of that way. Even though I was a wolf during the first game

adam2046 wrote:

Because the wolves killed him...

For all you know, it could be a ruse by the assassin to kill another assassin to make us believe Rolled was a human and we should trust his words...

Seems unlikely, from my experience as a wolf from the old game, the only thing we did was decided was who will be our scapegoat when a bad thing would happen.

WHAT.THE.FUCK?
That's, that's...That's fucking ....wtf?
I think you just broke my brain.
The assassins wouldn't kill one of their own, they wouldn't think this far ahead, they wouldn't be able to predict this situation, they wouldn't kill their own because it's stupid that's just wasting a kill.

So you just jumped up a bit on my suspicion radar. (Not a whole lot though...)

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All this hypothetical is annoying and probably useless since Nardi is a 70% chance of wolf (and a 15% chance of rain) for me, another thing I'll say is that i'm about 95% certain Echo was human.

So if Nardi doesn't use his ability he will be lynched. Then we lynch neo the next day.
If he does we lynch neo, then we lynch a someone, who I can't reveal until nardi proves himself (anyone who was in IRC at the time knows who it is,) the next day.

If Nardi is a wolf I'm fairly certain everyone who has died so far would be human then. (stupid ninja)

To anyone who doubts Subi, she had information that only the insomniac and the wolves could know (The name of a wolf and the name of who was getting killed) it would be really hard for someone to have impersonated the insomniac because it is not written in the description that the insomniac would get the information about who is killed, therefore if Subi was a wolf, she would have left this detail out.

JInxyjem wrote:

Ace: In the last game, a dead werewolf is free for all to see, but what about a dead assassin? How do we know if the *idiot* ninja killed a bad guy?

ACE WHAT ABOUT THIS Q?

And new Q, can the assassins kill themselves at night?

JInxyjem wrote:

And new Q, can the assassins kill themselves at night?

Uh, yeah, they can JInxyjem. If the old wolf rules remain.

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YellowYoshi1 wrote:

kuwarudo ... may be an important aux role to us ... I cast my lynch vote for kuwarudo.

What

This doesn't really make much sense? You have no actual reason to kill kuwarudo, since he luckily stopped being annoying (in this thread), and there are lots of other people that are MORE likely to be a wolf than him, for example nardi and neo@lex.
You just became more suspicious for Larto, since only a wolf would try not to vote for a 90% wolf like nardi. Congratulations. I'll keep an eye on you.

Ok, guys, might as well tell you all this - I am the coroner. I don't care if you don't trust me, but I am not lying. Animask was the priest, and Rolled was the vigilante. Dunno Echo yet.
Obviously, with nardi insisting that he is the priest there would be only one reason for him to do this - to hide the fact that he is also an assassin! He made this decision before anyone knew who really was the priest and now there's no way he can change it - he is a dirty liar!
I also consider Tode's protecting nardi very suspicious and unless I find evidence to suggest she is human she will probably be my vote tomorrow.

Agent Spin Here wrote:

Ok, guys, might as well tell you all this - I am the coroner. I don't care if you don't trust me, but I am not lying. Animask was the priest, and Rolled was the vigilante. Dunno Echo yet.
Obviously, with nardi insisting that he is the priest there would be only one reason for him to do this - to hide the fact that he is also an assassin! He made this decision before anyone knew who really was the priest and now there's no way he can change it - he is a dirty liar!
I also consider Tode's protecting nardi very suspicious and unless I find evidence to suggest he is human he will probably be my vote tomorrow.

Tode is a girl

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Spin may be lying, but with these circumstances I believe he is correct.

Vote nardi11011

I believe Spin, but I'm still inclined to follow Suburu

Doobhead, if neo and nardi are wolves, voting for either one is the same.

What did I say wrong? I meant that I believe Spin, but I will not change my vote because I will get another -1 from Ace

Unvote
Vote Neo@lex


"To the people suspicious of nardi:
There is another theory.
What if nardi is just a regular? He could have posed as a Priest in order not to get lynched, but the plan backfired when animask did her claim. It sounds stupid, but osuers rank from high IQ(Echo) to lower ones. Suburu's info is trustable, for now."

After Jinxy told this to the crowd, he decided to write it on Paper in case he forgot.

To all the remaining humans, I have a suggestion.

If you aren't already an aux role (yes, you vanillas listen GOOD) please help out by posing as one, and make an extremely convincing case if your leet writing skillz can help it. Instead of hurling accusations at one another, I suggest the remaining humans (especially the Vanilla) do this.

Look at it this way. It's not hard to narrow down the list of would-be assassins, but to the assassins it's a LOT harder to narrow down a HUGE list of humans, and if all of us claim an aux role, one of a few things can happen.

1. The coroner, if alive, can tell who is lying through the process of elimination. This will definitely help him narrow down the list of suspects.

2. The psychic can do likewise, and scan anybody with claims. If the other person's a liar, then good game to the liar in a few day's time.

3. If the ninja kills someone, the coroner would be able to tell what the fly just happened, and possibly let out warnings to the ninja (of course, that is pretty risky too and the coroner must be prepared for a death wish if he does this, so Mr. Coroner, don't say I didn't warn you about this).

4. If lucky, somehow the psychic might be able to establish a line to the ninja. That would be the BEST scenario since the Psychic would then be better-positioned to tell the ninja, in a proper manner, whether to hold or strike. (Remember, Ninja + Psychic and Psychic finding an assassin = human team will be safe at night, remember? Quoting AOH, "If the ninja kills a wolf, the wolves run away scared for the night")

5. Vanilla humans would of course, risk danger if they pose as an aux, but, honestly, the ball is in the assassins' park the moment night falls, so between a human and an aux role, it's for the better, though kinda sad, that a human goes. If it gives the assassins a false sense of security, all the better.

6. The bad with this, is, of course, we accidentally lynch one of our own. So the vanillas who're drawing attention to themselves, don't panic if the vote is going towards you because the first 2~3 days are always more random since the aux roles haven't properly established a foothold in the game. (See last game.)

If we take the coroner's words to be true now, the humans are in danger. So you vanillas out there please try and help out and STOP SHOOTING EACH OTHER IN THE BEHINDS. That last comment was especially reserved for the retarded uninformed ninja.

Once again to the ninja: Please, for god fuck's sake, HOLD BACK TONIGHT. Please don't make our coroner more depressed than he already is.

Oh, yea, if I'm already posting this, of course I'm a human. But as of yet, even though I've said this much, I don't really know what role to claim for.

As for the voting, I shall reserve my undeniable right until 24 hours later.

Jinxy - if nardi did a claim and it backfired, it's good IF he was a regular human. It's better for a vanilla to behave suspiciously and draw fire by accident, than for an auxillary to be struck by an accusation.

Posting this much because of that damned thing called Real Life. orz

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JInxyjem wrote:

Sorry, Wolves still get their kill now. Read again.

WHAT THE SHIT THIS IS UNFAIR

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This is unfair, I mean, damn professional assassins...why aren't they scared if one of them dies from another assassin?? (Ninja)

Pasonia wrote:

Still, wouldn't it be better than 2 dead humans if the ninja can ascertain a target's identity?

The last few pages, people are claiming Echo could be a sin, as AOH didnt say anything on how to verify what the hell exacly did the ninja klll. Plus, Kuu the ex-wolf says assassins can be night killed as part of a plan...

ACE: ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
1. Can we know if the ninja killed an assassin?
2. Can assassins be night killed?
3. If a Gun is not used before the Vigilante dies, can it be reused in this game? (Other vigils)

EDIT: I know this is like my... 4th time now but I wanna make sure Ace wont skip the Q.

EDIT 2: Reply to Kuu's V post because I dont wanna make another.
Ace said this only happens in big games, so is this game big enough?

JInxyjem wrote:

Kuu the ex-wolf says assassins can be night killed as part of a plan...

that sounded so cool right now


ON TOPIC POST:

What I know about the vigilantes are if they die before they use the gun, or whatever weapon it is now, FF UNIVERSE, the gun will become lost, and if a villager finds it, how I don't fucking know, he becomes the new vigilante, and if he dies before using the gun, so on and so on.

@JInxyjem (because I don't want to make another toast)

I think this game is large enough...25 people? I guess. Last game we were only uh, 14 something? Forgot. I just know there were 5 wolves in the last game.

JInxyjem wrote:

1. Can we know if the ninja killed an assassin?

I will corone Echo tonight, so you will get his role at the start of the next day phase.

JInxyjem wrote:

ACE: ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
1. Can we know if the ninja killed an assassin?
2. Can assassins be night killed?
3. If a Gun is not used before the Vigilante dies, can it be reused in this game? (Other vigils)

1. The Coroner will know the Night after the body's discovery (it was an "unexpected" death).
2. Yes. They can, if they feel like, kill one of themselves and/or the Ninja can kill one at Night.
3. Yes.

Also, all Vigilante kills/Priest revivals MUST be confirmed BY ME PERSONALLY. So if any fakes try anything, IT WILL BACKFIRE.

Also, stats are updated.

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Vote neo@lex.

Sheep effect.

I know this wasn't a smart thing to do, and it's a little late for confessions and I probably won't be believed, but I am not the priest. Though I am not an assassin either, I am human and have no aux role. I guess I just didn't want to die, and accidentally got a more important person lynched in the progress. I did expect to get night killed though, but that didn't happen either for some reason. I hope some of you will believe me, though I can understand it'll be hard under these circumstances.

Agent Spin Here wrote:

bribe Ninja into killing Neo.

Good idea.

Role Claim: Ninja

Sorry, but I was CERTAIN that Echo was a wolf. I may have slipped up there, but I really only considered him and tode at the time, and since tode got pissed at me, I basically stopped suspecting her as it would be a pretty stupid thing for a wolf to do, and I know tode is at least Metroid-teir.
This is obviously a stupid time to role claim, since Pasonia posted encouraging role faking, and I'm basically the #1 suspect, but I guess your thoughts are your own.

Nevertheless, this'll probably be interpreted as some kind of cryptic message that says I'M A WEREWOLF.

I guess I better start thinking up some lulzy last words.

Edit: Nardi I'm still gonna kill you if neither of us get lynched.

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neo@lex wrote:

Agent Spin Here wrote:

bribe Ninja into killing Neo.

Good idea.

Role Claim: Ninja

Sorry, but I was CERTAIN that Echo was a wolf. I may have slipped up there, but I really only considered him and tode at the time, and since tode got pissed at me, I basically stopped suspecting her as it would be a pretty stupid thing for a wolf to do, and I know tode is at least Metroid-teir.
This is obviously a stupid time to role claim, since Pasonia posted encouraging role faking, and I'm basically the #1 suspect, but I guess your thoughts are your own.

Nevertheless, this'll probably be interpreted as some kind of cryptic message that says I'M A WEREWOLF.

I guess I better start thinking up some lulzy last words.

Edit: Nardi I'm still gonna kill you if neither of us get lynched.

Fuck you. Hurdy hurrrrr girls r stoopid.


also Spin I wasn't defending nardi, I was just stating other options :/

Larto wrote:

Also, this quote is interesting.

neo@lex wrote:

Sorry, but I was CERTAIN that Echo was a wolf

Why aren't you anymore? Did anyone prove that he wasn't? Or are you just an assassin knowing that Echo couldn't have been a wolf? We'll see.

Spin said he was human. I believe him.
Shit I forgot he didn't do Echo.
Ok, there is still a possibility Echo could have been a wolf. If he was, I expect cookies.

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Did you only role claim to post that picture?

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He found it next to the body of the Vigilante, I assume.

adam2046 wrote:

Did you only role claim to post that picture?

Pfft man, come on why would i ever even type all that for just a pic man...


Ok i did it yes

But give me some credit man, i had a hard time editing it on photoshop paint.

Oh, also. Someone will die tomorrow.

Ace Of Hearts wrote:

JInxyjem wrote:

2. Can assassins be night killed?

2. Yes. They can, if they feel like, kill one of themselves and/or the Ninja can kill one at Night.

Now that this is confirmed, it is proven that assassins can do anything to pretend he/she is a human.
If this is applied now, who will get suspicion? LadySuburu. Im very sure Neo is a assassin and the ninja will get rid of him, but Suburu was trustworthy in the 1st game. s/he could easily misuse it in the 2nd game. Nardi, however, is speaking the truth. He is an idiot.

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JInxyjem wrote:

Nardi, however, is speaking the truth. He is an idiot.

Why so sure?
We have several airtight reasons to kill nardi. Why the heck would the wolves kill Rolled if they also could kill kuwarudo, who is (pretending to be?) the guardian angel or Suburu, (pretending to be?) the insomniac? The wolves didn't know much about Rolled, only that he was the one who voted for nardi first. This MIGHT be it. And come on, would the wolves be so stupid and kill one of their own? Really wtf.
Conclusion: nardi is a likely wolf.
Now, let me think, why didn't the wolves kill kuwarudo or Suburu anyway? It'd be a safe aux role kill, right?
IF kuwarudo didn't lie about the role claim. So I'm also a bit suspicious about kuwarudo.
Maybe kuwarudo indeed is a wolf. Because if he isn't, the wolves would definitely have killed him, since he was protecting Suburu, so they couldn't kill her, and since he was an important aux role, as I said.
Conclusion: kuwarudo is a likely wolf.
Also: If he is a wolf, Suburu might be a wolf, too. Suburu claimed to be the Insomniac, and this makes Suburu one of the most necessary humans. Now, if Suburu indeed is the Insomniac, and kuwarudo is a wolf, kuwarudo couldn't have protected Suburu, meaning that Suburu would be an easy victim. Well, maybe the real guardian angel would have protected Suburu, but-

Okay, I have no idea how to solve this shit

Conclusion: Suburu is somewhat suspicious.

Alright, these are just my thoughts on the matter.

The reason why the wolves or assassins, I'm gonna keep calling them wolves for simplicity, didn't kill me or Suburu, but they killed Rolled to put suspicion on the people who made role claims. For tonight, I don't know who the shit the wolves will kill tonight, so let's just see. I expect the Coroner to keep inspecting the bodies.

sup ladies. I was told to post this. It is Rolled's suspicions from BEFORE he was killed; sometime in Day 1. Some of it still applies, some of it doesn't. You can tell what doesn't apply.

I was actually going to post this in the thread itself, but if I did the plan would obviously be changed. I chose to PM this to you because I'm fairly confident you aren't a wolf. If my suspicion is correct, I will be killed overnight without a doubt due to the behind-the-scenes chat overnight with Echo:

Quote:
[18:24] <Echo|uni> hey do you have time for a chat?
[18:24] <Rolled> sure
[18:25] <Echo|uni> what do you actually think about suburu's claim?
[18:25] <Rolled> I have some pretty strong beliefs about it, but I won't know for sure until day 2
[18:26] <Echo|uni> have you talked to him?
[18:26] <Rolled> I haven't talked to anybody outside of the thread for the most part
[18:26] <Rolled> the non-most part being just chit chat on IRC
[18:29] <Echo|uni> hmm ok


If echo is indeed a wolf, I can expect myself to be killed overnight since I let it known to him that I have some semi-viable information that won't be known for sure until day 2. So therefor, if I die, I hope that you can share this information in the thread (a few IRL days into day-2, just to see if my hypothesis for day 2 is played out) From there on out, take out these 2 guys and the rest of the assassins will shortly follow. These guys are the brains in the operation.

Message:
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Lots of thoughts are going through my head, probably more than I can jot down without making a textwall. On the chance that I am night-killed, or possibly even lynched, I will share some thoughts here.

Alright, let's just say that hypothetically, both ladysuburu and echo are assassins. Obviously suburu knows what they are doing, and Echo knows his way around as well. I would not be surprised at all... rather, I would expect an elaborate scheme such as what is going on right now from the both of them. Here is the potential event list:

Day 1: random player is lynched due to lack of information (just by probability, this could easily be a civilian), most threatening Civilian is nightkilled by the assassins.

Day 2: Suburu, the insomniac, gives us the name of a civilian (who (s)he is claiming to be an assassin). That person will be lynched, another threatening Civilian will be killed overnight.

Overnight: A few things could happen here. If my theory is correct, Echo will wait until the ACTUAL coroner comes forth, and states that the dead body is actually a civilian. Since Echo now has a supposed "good reputation" and is a known-civillian, he will come forth after the coroner states his claim, and claim to be the coroner HIMSELF, and that the other claim is lying and is actually an assassin. This will put both ladysuburu and the actual coroner on the hit-list, and the lynch vote will probably get rid of suburu on day 2 due to her previous suspicion. The wolves will like the actual coroner to die first, because this will give Echo free will to just claim to be the coroner all game and have no confliction with anybody else. Either way though, the actual coroner will die on day 3 if the plan is executed properly.

Day 3: Which ever was not lynched on day 2 out of Subu or the Coroner, will be lynched today. Another human will be killed overnight.

This sacrifices 1 wolf for 5 civilians, and sets up the wolves up for doing some sweeping after day 3.

From there on out, it can be just about smooth-sailing for the assassin's until some other roles come forth. Echo's name will be out of almost all of the villager's mouths, since his plan of lynching Suburu if he was lying would have been executed. In the end, it will undoubtfully be a wolf victory unless we have some brilliant aux roles.

---

Also, if none of this actually happens overnight/on day 2, then I am just an idiot and disregard this PM entirely (or almost entirely.)


EDIT: hey spin guess who voted against nardi on Day 1? (It was me)

Larto wrote:

Now, let me think, why didn't the wolves kill kuwarudo or Suburu anyway? It'd be a safe aux role kill, right?
IF kuwarudo didn't lie about the role claim. So I'm also a bit suspicious about kuwarudo.
Maybe kuwarudo indeed is a wolf. Because if he isn't, the wolves would definitely have killed him, since he was protecting Suburu, so they couldn't kill her, and since he was an important aux role, as I said.
Conclusion: kuwarudo is a likely wolf.
Also: If he is a wolf, Suburu might be a wolf, too. Suburu claimed to be the Insomniac, and this makes Suburu one of the most necessary humans. Now, if Suburu indeed is the Insomniac, and kuwarudo is a wolf, kuwarudo couldn't have protected Suburu, meaning that Suburu would be an easy victim. Well, maybe the real guardian angel would have protected Suburu, but-

Okay, I have no idea how to solve this shit

Conclusion: Suburu is somewhat suspicious.

Disregard that, I suck cocks.

Echo posted this:

In response to Larto's questions on IRC this morning when I was forced to leave:

If kuwarudo and Suburu don't die, then they're both not wolves. However, this means that the wolves are in a bad position since we'll have an extra name.
If kuwarudo dies, everything is on track, but we won't know anything about people.
If Suburu dies, kuwarudo is a wolf.

I am not sure if Echo is a wolf, but we'll find out as soon as the coroner tells us. If he is, I'm so trapped and you guys should probably listen to Tode. If he isn't, this whole stuff indeed applies.

If kuwarudo and Suburu don't die, then they're both not wolves.
If kuwarudo and Suburu don't die, the wolves thought like this: "If we kill kuwarudo, the actual guardian angel, now, everyone will believe Suburu and everyone will know that he's telling the truth. We can't kill Suburu either, since he's probably being protected. So let us kill someone else."
That means we might be able to trust Suburu.
If kuwarudo dies, everything is on track. This shouldn't need explaination.
If Suburu dies, kuwarudo didn't protect Suburu, like he actually was supposed to. That means kuwarudo is a wolf.

Only the first is really important. Neither kuwarudo nor Suburu died. The wolves don't want us to believe what Suburu says. This means that neo@lex probably indeed is a wolf and this means that he will die tonight, being killed by the real ninja. If neo@lex is being killed by a ninja tonight and if the coroner tells us that Echo indeed was a human, we're so gonna kick the wolves' asses.

And my vote still hasn't changed.

woooops forgot to mention

I cast my vote for foulcoon

Shit, I'm not gonna be here at the deadline...
I un-vote Subi.

As far as I am aware, vote tally should now be accurate as of this post. Let me know again if you've made a vote I didn't see.

>this thread

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Rena-chan posts so little I thought Rena-chan was an outsider.

Edit: See bottom of this page,

You just have to agree for SFG to replace you, you should atleast skim the thread when you want out.

JInxyjem wrote:

^ Hmm... You rarely talk in this thread...

IRL problems. Find me on IRC if you want a more detailed explanation.

kuwarudo wrote:

Rena-chan posts so little I thought Rena-chan was an outsider.

Your face is an outsider.

But yeah, I am actually in this game.

Rena-chan what's your gender so I don't have to type Rena-chan again and again.

Okay, finally found Ace's post regarding my switch out for SFG. I SAY YES.

I have a lot to say, so I'm going to do this thing the right way. Chronologically.

Suburu, I'm sad that you made me view all your posts. Why can't you duplicate things you do out of thread in the thread later. Jerk.

Pasonia and yellowyoshi (and anyone else), the ninja is right in killing every night. Furthurmore, Echo was the correct choice for the lynch yesterday and a good one for a night kill(from the ninja) for the same reasons.
Echo was
A) buddying Suburu and "kuu" and trying to convince the town they were who they claimed while having no real way of knowning if they are telling the truth (other than being an assassin)
B) contradicting herself when she said that

OK, if you want it straight, they can be either both innocent or both assassins.

and

IF Suburu dies, THEN kuu is a wolf.

(with respect to Suburu being night killed)
C) claimed a vanilla townie, and thus her death would have no negative power role consequences

Look at me, I'm restating a case on a dead guy!



Furthurmore Pasonia's "plan" on page 34 is just horrible. Have all vanilla townies lie about being Aux roles? This would create so many counter claims that we would have no idea who to believe about their night actions. Even if the power roles figure things out, it becomes impossible to coordinate everyone. It would simply lead to chaos.
If at that point Pasonia truely believed that the ninja NKing a wolf prevented the wolf NK (and I did too at that point, I don't go back and read through every post for edits) a real plan would have been the EXACT OPPOSITE. @ "kuu" This is also the reason the ninja's NK can not stop the wolf NK.
1)insomniac claims day 1
2)white mage protects night 1
3)ninja + (#wolves+1) vanilla townies claim
4)lynching of vanilla townies combined with NK of wolf given by insomniac (preventing wolf NKs)
5)????
6)Victory

Along with those two reasons, Pasonia was bussing on "kuu" on day 1 even after the claim. If "kuu" and Suburu really are telling the truth, this would have totally destroyed Suburu's plan and put us in a horrible situation for finding scum.

It is for these reasons (and the fact that I'm not 100% trusting of Suburu) that I make my Vote for Pasonia

nardi lied about being the priest. Lies do nothing to benefit the town, thus he is probably scum. I'll change my vote to him if I really need to.

neo claimed ninja. Suburu says Suburu saw him at night killing Rolled. He should not be lynched. If he is lying, the ninja will kill him. If he is truth-speaking, he should kill someone. Thus:
@neo: Who do you plan to kill tonight? (assuming you are the ninja)

Also, what's the story on commandhat and SFG? They switched yet?

at long last, i can vote nardi.

i believe that nardi is a wolf, if neo is not the ninja, the ninja will kill him tonight. that will leave us tomorrow with either a confirmed ninja or a dead wolf, either of which is good. i trust Subi and, if he survives, he can tell us the next name, otherwise i have suspicions i wont raise until then

~nice to join the party~

Pretty sure Ace's eyes are between his eyelids while he sleeps.
In otherwords, no, we haven't switched yet. SFG, please stay alive or I will try out my new giant insta-shredder 5000 with you as a test subject
edit:holy crap I'm so addicted to this I can't stop refreshing waiting for a new reply >_<

commandhat wrote:

Pretty sure Ace's eyes are between his eyelids while he sleeps.
In otherwords, no, we haven't switched yet. SFG, please stay alive or I will try out my new giant insta-shredder 5000 with you as a test subject
edit:holy crap I'm so addicted to this I can't stop refreshing waiting for a new reply >_<

dont worry, my reasoning and course of action were decided days ago when i was trying to organize a vote on nardi ^_^ they wont change regardless of whatever role i inherit

kuwarudo wrote:

Rena-chan what's your gender so I don't have to type Rena-chan again and again.

Why not just type Rena ?

Also, vote: Kuwarudo

Rena-chan wrote:

Also, vote: Kuwarudo

reasoning?

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Rena-chan wrote:

Also, vote: Kuwarudo

reasoning?

( I can post in here even though I died right? )

I'd actually like to know that answer as well.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Rena-chan wrote:

Also, vote: Kuwarudo

reasoning?

Not making sense.

wat

nevermind it's your vote.

Rena-chan wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Rena-chan wrote:

Also, vote: Kuwarudo

reasoning?

Not making sense.

Kuu was created to attack Random.

JInxyjem wrote:

Kuu was created to attack Random.

I was created?

ON TOPIC ROAST:

I agree on Larto about the whole, not killing me and or Suburu, the wolves did think like that, which means that they believe my role claim. Not changing my vote until something really unexpected happens.

BagelBob wrote:

I have a lot to say, so I'm going to do this thing the right way. Chronologically.

Suburu, I'm sad that you made me view all your posts. Why can't you duplicate things you do out of thread in the thread later. Jerk.

Pasonia and yellowyoshi (and anyone else), the ninja is right in killing every night. Furthurmore, Echo was the correct choice for the lynch yesterday and a good one for a night kill(from the ninja) for the same reasons.
Echo was
A) buddying Suburu and "kuu" and trying to convince the town they were who they claimed while having no real way of knowning if they are telling the truth (other than being an assassin)
B) contradicting herself when she said that

OK, if you want it straight, they can be either both innocent or both assassins.

and

IF Suburu dies, THEN kuu is a wolf.

(with respect to Suburu being night killed)
C) claimed a vanilla townie, and thus her death would have no negative power role consequences

Look at me, I'm restating a case on a dead guy!



Furthurmore Pasonia's "plan" on page 34 is just horrible. Have all vanilla townies lie about being Aux roles? This would create so many counter claims that we would have no idea who to believe about their night actions. Even if the power roles figure things out, it becomes impossible to coordinate everyone. It would simply lead to chaos.
If at that point Pasonia truely believed that the ninja NKing a wolf prevented the wolf NK (and I did too at that point, I don't go back and read through every post for edits) a real plan would have been the EXACT OPPOSITE. @ "kuu" This is also the reason the ninja's NK can not stop the wolf NK.
1)insomniac claims day 1
2)white mage protects night 1
3)ninja + (#wolves+1) vanilla townies claim
4)lynching of vanilla townies combined with NK of wolf given by insomniac (preventing wolf NKs)
5)????
6)Victory

Along with those two reasons, Pasonia was bussing on "kuu" on day 1 even after the claim. If "kuu" and Suburu really are telling the truth, this would have totally destroyed Suburu's plan and put us in a horrible situation for finding scum.

It is for these reasons (and the fact that I'm not 100% trusting of Suburu) that I make my Vote for Pasonia

nardi lied about being the priest. Lies do nothing to benefit the town, thus he is probably scum. I'll change my vote to him if I really need to.

neo claimed ninja. Suburu says Suburu saw him at night killing Rolled. He should not be lynched. If he is lying, the ninja will kill him. If he is truth-speaking, he should kill someone. Thus:
@neo: Who do you plan to kill tonight? (assuming you are the ninja)

Also, what's the story on commandhat and SFG? They switched yet?

And it's this horrible counter-claim that will solidify my voting for you.

I vote for BagelBob

My case is built upon the powers of a psychic; I believe that as long as the Psychic can establish a link with any other auxillary role, the wolves will have a hard time. I am not in a comfortable position to explain why I said what I did, and I know that what I said against kuwarudo counts against me, but if you ask me, on day 1 I was being very personal about matters and voted kuwa solely based on his Day 1 actions.

Anyway, if you're a vanilla townie or an aux, Bagel, luring my vote against you will mean you're being more illogical than I am, or you're playing on my proposed plan.

About the "we would have no idea who to believe" bit, you're right about it. By doing this the townies can pull the wool over the assassins, and then the assassins would end up with a higher chance of hitting a vanilla, which is THE EXACT CONSEQUENCE THAT WOULD WORK IN OUR FAVOR.

Okay, so now, we have several people role-claiming. These guys would most likely be hit come nightfall, and we have about five names now. BUT if all of the humans put in a role-claim, whether or not they are lying doesn't matter. You must remember that humans outnumber the assassins, and if we have ALL of us doing a role-claim, that would give the assassins a hard time to select their target. But at the same time, all the auxillaries would have an easier time sorting out the liars.

Also, if the assassins lie, they must be prepared that an aux would find out that they're lying.

And if, say, the psychic established a link with the guardian/coroner and another human, then he can request the human to masquerade as a psychic, cite accurate examples that the assassins would find too compelling to be ignored, and draw fire towards himself from the assassins come nightfall. If the psychic established a link with the ninja AND the insomniac, he can also direct the ninja to hit an assassin (because of insomniac information + ninja kill). In my opinion, the psychic is powerful because he is the center of operations, and I am only citing a manner in which he can obtain such information. Any false claims is fine to the psychic because he can tell if the liar is just a sneaky vanilla or a sneaky ASSASSIN.

If you still can't get this, I suggest you throw yourself over Gibraltar's Rock. Seriously.

Pasonia wrote:

If you still can't get this, I suggest you throw yourself over Gibraltar's Rock. Seriously.

Uh, what's that place? Or thing?

Sorry I have no on topic coast. I already stated my idea last time and I just wanted to know what that rock is.

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We have 8 wolves to deal with, so we need to get our detective work right so we don't end up 'effing up our own chances of winning.

I agree on the fact of Suburu. nardi is a Wolf/Assassin/whateverfloatsyourboat.
vote: [b]nardi/b]

I do not see anywhere the ammount of wolves that the game starts with listed anywhere, can you please tell me how you know that

YellowYoshi1 wrote:

All the wolves are still out there

?
Forgive me but I am just making sure.

I vote for neo@lex, as he killed Echo è.é

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That's not what I asked, I asked how you knew how many wolves we started the game with.

See my previous post edit adam, sorry about the confusion there. I really shouldn't try to work on serious things when I'm sleep deprived.

Thanks for the slip and the nice dodge, I now know that you are quite likely a wolf and going back to what you said day 1, kuu is really likely human.

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YellowYoshi1 wrote:

If I was a wolf, I don't think I would be telling you how many there are still alive.

No you wouldn't, would you? Which is why you told us the wrong number.

YellowYoshi1 wrote:

The only thing I did was give you a number.

Yes that is all you did, "a number" a number that was wrong.

I didn't want to say this because it puts me in danger, but the real seer is actually Echo, after he recieved the night pm he pmed me about it, he said that there were in fact only 7 wolves in the game after Animask's death, combined with the coroner's report this gives us 7 at the start of the game + Echo being the seer and Rolled the vigilante (srsly we suck at this don't we?) this still leaves us with 7.

I trust Echo more than you because he was able to give me information far more credible.

Hmm, Commandhat may evolve into SFG, Subi hasn't said anything cool, Echo's dead, Tode ACTUALLY VOTED FOR FOUL...
I see it now. There is only one possible way to get to the bottom of this. I VOTE FOR...





...MYSELF.

Well, if you have such high suspicions of me, then by all means cast a lynch vote. Others might not take kindly if the real seer is executed though.

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I am still voting for Nardi, I'm just stating what I saw to be an obvious lie and werewolf activity.
Be sure that I will be lynching YY tomorrow.

wow three pages, half of which I understood. (the other half being YY's posts because they were so vague/boring)

I see the nardi thing, and I do suspect he is an assassin, but I think my vote's gonna stay for foulcoon.

Why are you voting for foul anyway?