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Chris_old
serial killer is independent

therefor serial killer isn't anti town

in this case it's actually anti-mafia which is why you want him gone
Rantai

Two wrote:

no, even when cult is bigger than town you still achieve your goal of beating the mafia

not to mention the cult is comprised almost entirely of town members

you lose in name only, and even then only if you died before being assimilated
Sounds kind of crappy really. It's like getting 100% on every assessment but failing the final exam and failing the entire course anyway (yes that's the best I could think of, sue me). Sure you did great during the duration but in the end a fail is still a fail.

"Serial killer isn't anti-town" - Wow I have been enlightened beyond my most vivid dreams.

Seriously though, let's say he is telling the truth about his win con, then he is very much anti-town as it requires town death to achieve (not to mention is very easy to achieve given some luck).
Two_old

Chris wrote:

in this case it's actually anti-mafia which is why you want him gone
exactly

if wojjan was truly a town vigilante, they'd be worried about being night killed

if you claim night vigilante day 1, guess who the mafia are going to target?

but wait, someone else claimed something that is effectively the same

"let's lynch him so that the target is definitely on me"

except there was never a target on wojjan to begin with because wojjan dictates where that target is
Chris_old
don't forget they backed out of their "vote who you want me to shoot" with "don't want 3 kills in 1 night"
Two_old

Rantai wrote:

Seriously though, let's say he is telling the truth about his win con, then he is very much anti-town as it requires town death to achieve (not to mention is very easy to achieve given some luck).
my win condition can be the same as town's if I simply hit 2 mafia at any point in the game, or 2 independent

even if I hit 2 town I become town, so really your apprehension is illogical
Jinxy

Chris wrote:

don't forget they backed out of their "vote who you want me to shoot" with "don't want 3 kills in 1 night"

Wojjan wrote:

or do you not want three kills in one night that's cool too.
The other way round, Chris
Chris_old

JInxyjem wrote:

Chris wrote:

don't forget they backed out of their "vote who you want me to shoot" with "don't want 3 kills in 1 night"

Wojjan wrote:

or do you not want three kills in one night that's cool too.
The other way round, Chris
no it's exactly how I said it
Jinxy

Two wrote:

Rantai wrote:

Seriously though, let's say he is telling the truth about his win con, then he is very much anti-town as it requires town death to achieve (not to mention is very easy to achieve given some luck).
my win condition can be the same as town's if I simply hit 2 mafia at any point in the game, or 2 independent

even if I hit 2 town I become town, so really your apprehension is illogical
You are more likely to hit one of two different types, and when that happens you win independent from us.

And if you hit 2 town, we still lose a town
Rantai
And if you hit 1 mafia, 1 town that's a win right there. Or did I misread it?
Jinxy
dammit rantai i was doing a grammar edit
Rantai
Requesting Jinxy modkill for edits.
Chris_old
look since I want to lol when salvage flips mafia here's how it's going to work

you're all going to vote salvage

if you don't I'm going to reverse time until you do

if salvage isn't mafia I'll reverse time

if he is, two kill wojjan

simple enough right
Two_old

JInxyjem wrote:

You are more likely to hit one of two types, and when that happens you win independent from us.

And if you hit 2 town, we still lose a town
no, like I said there's an approximately even divide of alignments

I assume that means 5/5/6

I'm not good at math but I'm 100% sure that means I'm more likely to become town, and regardless of that I just told you how I can win

are you all unable to lynch me if I come close to winning?
Jinxy

Chris wrote:

look since I want to lol when salvage flips mafia here's how it's going to work

you're all going to vote salvage

if you don't I'm going to reverse time until you do

if salvage isn't mafia I'll reverse time

if he is, two kill wojjan

simple enough right
Oh look a sakuya whoop

Two wrote:

JInxyjem wrote:

You are more likely to hit one of two types, and when that happens you win independent from us.

And if you hit 2 town, we still lose a town
no, like I said there's an approximately even divide of alignments

I assume that means 5/5/6

I'm not good at math but I'm 100% sure that means I'm more likely to become town, and regardless of that I just told you how I can win

are you all unable to lynch me if I come close to winning?
Except you need 2 kills. For example, you kill a town, you can claim you're going to aim a town and then you shoot down an independent or maf.
Rantai

Two wrote:

are you all unable to lynch me if I come close to winning?
I have lost all faith in this ever happening.
Two_old
no I need 3 kills to win and 2 kills to turn town

to be more clear

1 independent, 1 mafia, 1 town = win

2 of any type = town conversion
Chris_old
I don't know what you said is jinxy but I'm Keine Kamishirasawa if you want to reference
Rantai
Ohh right independent. That slipped my mind.
Chris_old
so can all the cool people vote salvage so I can demonstrate my ability if he's town

even salvage shouldn't have a problem with that

or wojjan
Rantai
Keine.... can rewrite history right?

Makes some sort of sense then I guess.
Two_old
so vote for salvage
Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

Keine.... can rewrite history right?

Makes some sort of sense then I guess.
I have no idea I just picked stuff that looked overpowered
Chris_old
also notice wojjan left the same time salvage did

didn't want to be the only mafia defending him
Rantai
I've been duped before but I trust Chris much more than you, Two.

Then again confirming Salvage would be nice too, especially on a day 1 lynch.

Vote: Salvage
Wojjan
alright.
Vote: Salvage
roleblock Two plz
Chris_old
lol roleblock two

didn't you mean that for mafia chat
Two_old
the only thing that is stopping me from automatically wanting to kill you wojjan is that you aren't gravitating towards power in this game
Chris_old

Two wrote:

the only thing that is stopping me from automatically wanting to kill you wojjan is that you aren't gravitating towards power in this game
if salvage flips mafia you need to kill them to earn our trust
Chris_old
also I'm definitely dead tonight since I can reverse time and two's bulletproof

if someone wants to be cool you should watch me and get another mafia
Wojjan
no I mean roleblock two exactly as roleblock two if anyone has a roleblock because he is an independent serial killer and we don't want people dying.
Chris_old

Wojjan wrote:

no I mean roleblock two exactly as roleblock two if anyone has a roleblock because he is an independent serial killer and we don't want people dying.
people = you
Wojjan
exactly
why would you want to die
Chris_old

Wojjan wrote:

exactly
why would you want to die
I sacrificed myself for you to die I would be disappointed if you didn't
Jinxy
Wait, how does this reverse time thing work, does it only affect Day?
Two_old
Jinxyjem: not voting for salvage, wants more information about a pro-town ability
Jinxy
I'm tallying the votes so I don't end up doing a hammer or something before everyone's been online, and I assumed reverse time would change Night too or something. This is a new role to me.

...ok, votes are fine, vote: Salvage

Rantai - 1 (Dafydd)
dkun - 1 (Sync)
Salvage - 5 (Two, Chris, Rantai, Wojjan, JInxyjem)
Two - 1 (Salvage)
8 to lynch
Luna
Just for completions sake: Chris, could you please elaborate on the exact abilities of your role?
While Time Reverser or something like that makes lots of sense for Keine, according to your post where you "claimed" the role, you softclaimed that you could use it multiple times?
if you don't I'm going to reverse time until you do
Was that a bluff or do you have multiple shots?
And what exactly does your ability do, reset the game state to the beginning of the day that just passed?
I assume night actions would be canceled out as well, but does your ability take priority over being roleblocked or something? This is pretty much the only problem I have with lynching Salvage - if he flips Town and you get roleblocked, we have basically wasted our lynch after all. Sure, we get a confirmed townie for 2 days, but still...
Or is it a dusk role or something? But then we wouldn't get the lynch results, right?

Two claims crazy stuff as usual and I really don't like the prospect of keeping a claimed SK with minor odds of helping town alive, but in case his "setup information" of about 1/3 town 1/3 indy 1/3 scum is true (which would be a wonky setup btw) that would lessen his chance to kill 2 town before eliminating at least something anti-town.
It still means that we have only a few mislynches before town is in a significant minority.
Chris_old
it's not in towns best interest for me to elaborate
Luna
Okay, fine then
I just hope you know what you're doing
vote: Salvage
Dafydd
unvote
I don't understand completely what's going on but,

vote Salvage
Jinxy
And Salvage is on L-1

Dafydd I honestly hope you at least tried to read the thread. Could you say what you don't understand?
Salvage

Chris wrote:

look since I want to lol when salvage flips mafia here's how it's going to work

you're all going to vote salvage

if you don't I'm going to reverse time until you do

if salvage isn't mafia I'll reverse time

if he is, two kill wojjan

simple enough right

im cool with this, if he doesnt revert time lynch two followed by chris or the other way arround
Chris_old
hammer yourself then
Jinxy
I like how a quarter of the players just missed the whole of Day 1
NoHitter
... holy crap pages

So in summary:
a) Two claimed SK who "needs" to kill three factions to win.
b) Salvage claimed restless spirit.
c) We're lynching Salvage to confirm him, even though he'll day in two days, but...
d) Chris claimed Time Reverser, so it's fine?

Mod: When do flips occur? Do they occur at the end
NoHitter
EBWOP:
of the Day?
Two_old
It's time to play Mafia. You have 5 days. It takes 9 to lynch.
Wojjan
what do you even mean by that question
NoHitter
Last time I added a Time Reverser, I delayed the flip to the next day.
Just confirming it, or else we would possibly be wasting this lynch trying to confirm someone who may never flip in the first place.
NoHitter
EBWOP:
I did this in PyP Video Game Mafia as the mod.
Chris_old
what kind of terrible role only lets you reverse before the flip
Jinxy

Two wrote:

It's time to play Mafia. You have 5 days. It takes 9 to lynch.
Oh right derp votes need to be over 50% not smack on it pardon me, L-2
NoHitter

Chris wrote:

what kind of terrible role only lets you reverse before the flip
That's what I want to confirm first.
I'm all up for the plan, since it'll confirm two people if it does occur (you and Salvage), but if Lilac did follow my scheme of flipping then this lynch would be useless.
Luna

Chris wrote:

what kind of terrible role only lets you reverse before the flip
I can see how it could be useful in a 2 town v 1 scum endgame scenario. Other than that it'd be mostly annoying I guess
Chris_old
something tells me I wont need to be using it considering salvage wont vote for himself
dkun
holy shit 10 pages while I was sleeping
going to catch up
Wojjan
am I on salvage?
vote salvage
just in case
Sync
too sick to care about all of this silly banter between the two love couples

Vote: Salvage because if he's a restless ghost then it doesn't even matter other than a wasted lynch
Wojjan
please reroll time Chris
Wojjan
I think that's a hammer at least
Chris_old

Wojjan wrote:

please reroll time Chris
no
NoHitter
We're still at L-1.
Wojjan already voted Salvage earlier.
Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

We're still at L-1.
Wojjan already voted Salvage earlier.
they were trying to be slick

so mafia~
Wojjan
alright
someone vote salvage plz
NoHitter
I'm still waiting on Lilac to confirm the specifics, but if you really want the day to end that badly Chris, I'll vote him.
But it's your role ability that could be wasted.
Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

I'm still waiting on Lilac to confirm the specifics, but if you really want the day to end that badly Chris, I'll vote him.
But it's your role ability that could be wasted.
I do want to see the flip but I am curious if it's gonna happen today or tomorrow
Backfire
Hello everyone, Verizon's service has been down so I had no access to internet till this hour at school.
Sorry about that.
Salvage

Chris wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

please reroll time Chris
no


whats that about



what a waste oh my god.


im hammered i think



just in case


vote: salvage
Chris_old
of course once you realize the votes aren't moving

you were probably hammered to begin with, too lazy to count but I bet you did
Salvage
ok this is how this works:


if chris doesn't reverse time lynch him.



lynch two first tommorrow either way, it doesnt matter what he says just fucking lynch him if you want to win the game (to everyone who is town and wants to win, if not then dont sing up)




thats all i guess?
dkun

Salvage wrote:

ok this is how this works:


if chris doesn't reverse time lynch him.



lynch two first tommorrow either way, it doesnt matter what he says just fucking lynch him if you want to win the game (to everyone who is town and wants to win, if not then dont sing up)




thats all i guess?
he's got a strong point here.
Two_old
that makes no sense salvage

I can't win until I have 3 kills, or until all mafia/independents are dead (if I become town)

it only is sensible to lynch me day 3, and even then I could just hold off on killing until someone was confirmed as something (I'm guaranteed town with coordination)
Salvage
i dont believe anything you say after claiming SK and i think town doing the same is what should happen



you claiming serial killer is enough to lynch you, the rest is crap you make up to survive/complete your win conditions






with that said next lynch will be Two regardless of what he says, don't be stupid and lynch anyone else
Wojjan
we definitely have to lynch Two tomorrow though no side benefits from leaving a serial killer around no matter what bullshit Two or Chris spout

if you are reading this and think "well I don't know" then think harder. You are advocating that a serial killer stays in the game.
Topic Starter
Lilac
That's the hammer. It is currently dusk phase. 12 hours.

Everyone has received their role except one person. Said person must respond in 10 hours
Topic Starter
Lilac
Oh yes.

Flips occur at the beginning of the night phase.
Wojjan
these are the kind of things you're expected to say up front the first time
Salvage

Wojjan wrote:

we definitely have to lynch Two tomorrow though no side benefits from leaving a serial killer around no matter what bullshit Two or Chris spout

if you are reading this and think "well I don't know" then think harder. You are advocating that a serial killer stays in the game.


this sumarizes everything.



the only thing left is that i'll flip town after 12 hours from now, then chris has to backtrack time then we lynch two



if that doesn't happen we lynch two and then we lynch chris (and i'll be restless spirit for 2 more days then im dead :( )




if chris backtracks time i'll be unkillable unless mafia wants to waste 1 nk that would totally benefit us so we're pretty fine.





anyone wants to add something?, i think that's it
Topic Starter
Lilac

Wojjan wrote:

these are the kind of things you're expected to say up front the first time
I thought it would have been kinda obvious... Apologies though.
Luna

Luna wrote:

Or is it a dusk role or something? But then we wouldn't get the lynch results, right?
^ I just hope this isn't the case
Sleep Powder
I'm surprised at all of the roleclaims in Day 1. It seems like there could be a lot of independent roles this game (maybe 4+). We just need to lynch the independents that have the ability to kill as they could easily win with mafia if we keep them alive for too long. Other than that, they could help to eliminate a somewhat confirmed mafia member on the town side.

If Chris can reverse time after the lynch, why would he pick Day 1 to roleclaim? Mafia will obviously try to kill him if he becomes confirmed with a role like that. As for the shots his role has, its best to keep the mafia thinking. His role doesn't seem to be anti-town... I just hope we can actually confirm someone.

I'm assuming any roles used during the day are also undone?
LadySuburu
Day starts and ends while I'm asleep.


Oh well, Hi guys.
Jinxy
Oh and if it exists, a watcher/voyeur on Chris kthx
dkun

LadySuburu wrote:

Day starts and ends while I'm asleep.


Oh well, Hi guys.
had this exact same feeling when I woke up this morning to find 10 pages
;____;
dkun

animask wrote:

I'm surprised at all of the roleclaims in Day 1. It seems like there could be a lot of independent roles this game (maybe 4+). We just need to lynch the independents that have the ability to kill as they could easily win with mafia if we keep them alive for too long. Other than that, they could help to eliminate a somewhat confirmed mafia member on the town side.

If Chris can reverse time after the lynch, why would he pick Day 1 to roleclaim? Mafia will obviously try to kill him if he becomes confirmed with a role like that. As for the shots his role has, its best to keep the mafia thinking. His role doesn't seem to be anti-town... I just hope we can actually confirm someone.

I'm assuming any roles used during the day are also undone?
i'll be more then happy to confirm chris n2/d3
Luna
Wait, how would you do that dkun?
Am I missing something obvious? I'm a bit confused right now.
dkun

Luna wrote:

Wait, how would you do that dkun?
Am I missing something obvious? I'm a bit confused right now.
oh wait, wrong game
holy shit i'm tired

I rc'd in another mafia, thanks for catching me on that looool
Topic Starter
Lilac
So guys...

What's up?
dkun

Lilac wrote:

So guys...

What's up?
nothing much, how're you?
Topic Starter
Lilac
I'm cool.

Just waiting on a few people.
Topic Starter
Lilac
Also, I think Cyclone was here because of this thread.
pieguyn
Oh my god the day ended before I had a chance to post

I have no idea what to say, except for I wouldn't be surprised at all if Two wasn't even a SK to begin with. Remember what he did in the first Touhou PyP? He claimed some outrageous role and it turns out he was just a bus driver. I wouldn't be surprised if he was outright lying this time as well, whether for better or worse.
Two_old
funnily enough, this is the first time I've been completely honest

the reason why is because my role makes no sense to lie about
pieguyn
How are we supposed to know o.o//

I'd say that in the worst case, Two is a cult leader trying to buy some time, but that's a bit ridiculous. Still, even if Two says he can't win for a few days, I don't think it's entirely safe to keep him around so long. :?
Two_old

pieguy1372 wrote:

How are we supposed to know o.o//
I don't care I'll just kill anyone who doesn't understand the logic behind not lynching me

that's how this works
Chris_old
that doesn't make sense considering two would of never been up for lynch had he not claimed
pieguyn
oh wait you're right, oops :?

As I said I have no effing idea what to think this game.
Rantai
.. did I see a deleted post?
Two_old
from who
Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

.. did I see a deleted post?
AW SNAP GET CAUGHT

who was it
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