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2012 Secret Santa Mafia | Game Over - Flawless Mafia Victory

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Lilac
Very persuasive.
Mara

Mashley wrote:

Oh and Vote LunaticMara for the same reason as yesterday.
nigga please

Chris @dkun wrote:

I defended pieguy from Sync's terrible scum logic, and now I'm defending him from yours.
Why this doesn't surprise me?
Lilac

Mashley wrote:

Also got my eye on dkun and Ivalset for their scummy ISOs.
Oh yeah, I also laughed at this.
dkun

Chris wrote:

I'd also like to point out that dkun has made a whopping 7 posts in this game.

One to join, one to clarify he meant pieguy. So essentially 5 posts. Let's break this down..

1.) Reading "rest assured", nothing to say.
2.) Calling Wojjan scum, asking if not contributing makes him scum?
3.) Respond to prod, offer no insight on anything.
4.) 3 posts at the beginning of D3 trying to get the last known cop lynched.

That's a worse ISO than even Sync had, and now you're trying to push a lynch on a cop too.
rofl so mad

i'm sorry if I have finals to attend to, but I have kept up with the thread. I felt that I had nothing to contribute, so I didn't. if that's such a problem with you, then why didn't you say anything earlier? now that i'm actually trying to contribute something, you're all dog up on me, you scum

pieguy pushed sync, sync was town
i'm sorry, but you seem total scum for defending pieguy to the grave, and I have yet to see anything for his defense.
bmin11

Chris wrote:

D3 trying to get the last known cop lynched.
So you think pieguy is the role cop, right? If we assume so, why wouldn't the mafia want to kill pieguy?
akrolsmir
Withholding judgement on pieguy until he posts.

In the meanwhile, I'm suspecting bmin. @above- because they (you?) thought that it'd be easy to push a lynch on him right now.
akrolsmir
Plus rolecop might not be that beneficial anyways if the roles are not correlated with alignments, and scum can just straight-out claim their role and never have it disproved. If I properly understood how this game works.
LadySuburu

akrolsmir wrote:

Plus rolecop might not be that beneficial anyways if the roles are not correlated with alignments, and scum can just straight-out claim their role and never have it disproved. If I properly understood how this game works.
About the same thing I was going to say. Rolecop is "almost" useless in this game. In addition, someone's role being confirmed has almost nothing to do with keeping them around. I say almost, because there are certain roles which might be good to risk keeping around.


I honestly can't think of a good use for rolecop, aside from minor speculation, or gambits.


I'm still suspicious of Mashley.
Chris_old

bmin11 wrote:

Chris wrote:

D3 trying to get the last known cop lynched.
So you think pieguy is the role cop, right? If we assume so, why wouldn't the mafia want to kill pieguy?
Obviously do to potential doctor/watcher that would target pieguy considering he is.. you know, a confirmed cop.

The only way pieguy is mafia is if the person who picked Ivalset's role isn't (or there is ANOTHER cop).

also yes akrolsmir, that's how the game works.

It's true that a Role Cop isn't the most useful role, but I don't see how that implies it's worth lynching him. On the other hand, a role cop is extremely beneficial to Mafia.

At least let him say who he scanned before he gets rushed to a hammer if this is who everyone's deciding to kill.

I still want dkun lynched tomorrow if he's town, especially since he went right for the rolecop and not for Mashley/Foulcoon, then defending "logic" that wasn't even there.
Chris_old
1. Lilac (?)
3. JInxyjem (?)
4. Salvage (Town)
5. bmin11 (?)
6. dkun (Mafia)
7. animask (?)
8. akrolsmir (Town)
9. pieguy1372 (Town)
10. LadySuburu (Town)
11. foulcoon (Mafia)
12. Mashley (Mafia)
13. Wojjan (Town)
14. LunaticMara (?)

That's pretty much how I'm seeing it right now.
Wojjan
do you suspect three town rolecops?
so you obviously think alignments were chosen before gifts?
Chris_old
I think that roles were chosen before alignment, but alignment was random.

Really it makes no difference either way if alignment is random.

Yes, I think that there are 3 town rolecops.
Wojjan
man if mashley wasn't the biggest idiot ever and asked people to claim their giftee it would be much easier to say "I picked that for someone so we've got that in the game somewhere"
Topic Starter
Two_old
Vote Count
pieguy1372 (1): dkun
Wojjan (1): foulcoon
LunaticMara (1): Mashley
JInxyjem (1): Lilac
foulcoon (1): Wojjan
pieguyn
The first night I checked Wojjan. The second night I checked Mashley.

I agree, dkun just seems like he's looking for an easy lynch at this point, despite not having contributed anything all game. I'm not sure who else is mafia though. :?

bmin11 wrote:

Chris wrote:

D3 trying to get the last known cop lynched.
So you think pieguy is the role cop, right? If we assume so, why wouldn't the mafia want to kill pieguy?
Deaths are really just WIFOM...and me being a rolecop doesn't confirm me anyway.
bmin11

akrolsmir wrote:

In the meanwhile, I'm suspecting bmin. @above- because they (you?) thought that it'd be easy to push a lynch on him right now.
I'm asking, because I'm not sure of the idea as well.
Jinxy

Lilac wrote:

To elaborate, you gave off vibes of hatred and over confidence. You called Sync a poser but did you ever look to a point of just scummy town and not scummy mafia or was your hate for posers too overpowering for your own good?
That post was made in jest. My next post clearly says that I voted Sync because he targeted pieguy for being a rolecop using some weird logic that pieguy's a rolecop thus he's possible to be mafia. His flip makes it even more retarded, since he's a god damn rolecop himself. Pile that with his actions for the other days and that's my reason.
dkun

pieguy1372 wrote:

The first night I checked Wojjan. The second night I checked Mashley.

I agree, dkun just seems like he's looking for an easy lynch at this point, despite not having contributed anything all game. I'm not sure who else is mafia though. :?
Deaths are really just WIFOM...and me being a rolecop doesn't confirm me anyway.
k nk/lynch me and find out that i'm also town
then who's fingers point at bro

soz but scum is scum
along with chris as well

fos much np bro
Lilac
Come on...seriously?

You're joining Mafia to play like THAT? I thought Wojjan and Sync were bad with their emotions but you just had to join them as well.
Mashley

dkun wrote:

k nk/lynch me and find out that i'm also town
Oh my fucking god how scummy is this.
Vote dkun
Mashley

Lilac wrote:

Mashley wrote:

Also got my eye on dkun and Ivalset for their scummy ISOs.
Oh yeah, I also laughed at this.
pfff I don't remember things
dkun

Mashley wrote:

dkun wrote:

k nk/lynch me and find out that i'm also town
Oh my fucking god how scummy is this.
Vote dkun
like I said, when it happens and I am town, just watch who fingers point at then
Topic Starter
Two_old
I feel like now is a good time to bring up two mistakes I've made so that they don't further impact anything later on.

1. Applicable secret santa lists should have read "1-shot targetable Encryptor (1-shot as in it establishes a permanent chat link to another player)"

2. Bodyguard was chosen for Sync instead of Role Cop (he actually was a role cop though that wasn't a typo). It got mixed up somehow, but I am pretty confident there was no collateral damage.

k gl hf
Lilac
You know, if I knew Encryptor could do that. I would have given my person that. Goddamnit Two.
Salvage
k i readed everything sorry for the afk time



this is how this goes :


wojjan is 100% town




dkun is either bad or mafia, leanning to mafia but not sure, also i have to read every post like thousands of times to get them (4 days without pc is hurting my logic)




vote: foulcoon
Wojjan
finally
vote: foulcoon if I'm not already
Salvage
and my current reads before the hammer just in case are :


1. Lilac (leaning town)
2. Chris (leaning town)
3. JInxyjem (neutral)
5. bmin11 (neutral)
6. dkun (leaning mafia)
7. animask (idk)
8. akrolsmir (leaning town)
9. pieguy1372 (town)
10. LadySuburu (neutral)
11. foulcoon (mafia)
12. Mashley (leaning mafia)
13. Wojjan (town)
14. LunaticMara (mafia)
Wojjan
leaning town on chris, can you explain? I had scumread on him
Salvage
yes, he's being pretty logical with almost everything he said, i had some scummy reads too but i had from u too before confirming u ^__^.
dkun
you're shitting me right?
holy shit salvage you must be slow as fuck
Salvage
u discovered my true identity, u didn't have to tell my full name tho, that was kind of mean
LadySuburu

Mashley wrote:

Oh my fucking god how scummy is this.
Vote dkun
I've learned that statements like that aren't town or scum tells.

Also, I must have missed whatever's going on with foulcoon. Someone mind filling me in?
Wojjan

Wojjan wrote:

oh my god lilac just shut up already

vote foulcoon

doesn't do jack shit and flinches like crazy when called out, lists a rolecop as people he'd rather see lynched than himself.

then votes me because lol might as well try to get a bw going
LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

oh my god lilac just shut up already

vote foulcoon

doesn't do jack shit and flinches like crazy when called out, lists a rolecop as people he'd rather see lynched than himself.

then votes me because lol might as well try to get a bw going
1. "flinches like crazy when called out" - I don't really see where this happened, on either being called out or flinching. Just read the ISO a minute ago. Mind linking me to where this happened?

2. "lists a rolecop as people he'd rather see lynched than himself." - Does this matter? Being a rolecop isn't being confirmed town. I've already stated my opinions on the rolecop role in this setup as well.

3. "then votes me because lol might as well try to get a bw going" - I can see how his action might look like that, yeah. Then again, if I read the ISO correctly, he's been on you for a while now, seems to be that you're the most suspicious to him. Then, he votes you since he can't see any other leads. That seems pretty normal play to me.
LadySuburu

LadySuburu wrote:

he's been on you for a while now.
EBWOP: Suspicious of you, starting from the HoS. Didn't check how long ago that was when reading the ISO either, so it may not have been a "long time".
Wojjan
friiiightfully defensive over a foulcoon lynch? Can you make any convincing argument why you want him around that bad?
LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

friiiightfully defensive over a foulcoon lynch? Can you make any convincing argument why you want him around that bad?
defensive over his lynch? Hardly. I just don't see where the bandwagon is coming from. I hosted you are, I watched the scum in that game bandwagon lynches with little reasoning, and no effort.

I'm watching for the same thing here. That response, instead of linking me actual information or posts pertaining to your reasoning, makes me think you're going for a false lynch with some mafia buddies of yours.

Vote: Wojjan
Wojjan
if you are seriously thinking you are is a good precedent for any type of mafia behavior please reconsider
inactivity made everyone give up on it and it was basically a nice ride for maf unto victory

I basically gave you all the reasoning I have to offer. Why are you persisting that a foulcoon lynch with little reasoning isn't worth it when a lynch on me for giving little reasoning is?

If you are taking that as a reason to vote then vote foulcoon he has proposed even less reason to vote me, neither did he "back it up."

Stop being lilac please
Wojjan

LadySuburu wrote:

some mafia buddies of yours.
stop trying to fos everyone at the same time, call them out. Who are my purported buddies?
Salvage

foulcoon wrote:

Vote: Wojjan

because we don't have a whole lot to go on right now anyways

and i don't feel like lynching pieguy yet after Chris' defense



do you really think wojjan has any information at all that points out she's mafia ls?



cause i don't and i actually think the opposite, if ur really up for a wojjan lynch then i must say its not gonna happen and just for the simple reason that i know she's town
Wojjan

foulcoon wrote:

man you guys rush a lynch in like 10 pages and then you guys are trying to say that "lurkers" are mafia? thats some bullshit

also you just sounded pretty scummy there, Sync.
btw this is what i meant by flinching. nobody said lurkers were mafia Chris only said if you vig someone vig a lurker. And nobody even vigged a lurker so why is foulcoon crying bloody murder as if he got accused of being marcellus fucking wallace
Wojjan
why would a townie say "don't lynch me lynch a rolecop" either foul is scum and he wants town rolecop cleared up before he dies, or foul is scum bussing a teammate because he knows mafia have another rolecop regardless.
rolecop isn't confirmed town, I admitted to that much myself a few fucking posts ago.

LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

stop trying to fos everyone at the same time, call them out. Who are my purported buddies?
Implied those on the foulcoon bandwagon.

Also, I only used "you are" as the example because it was the most recent time it happened.

I still haven't been linked to his flinching, or being called out. Where did these things happen?

My suspicions on you wouldn't have even existed if you hadn't posted an attack/question shove, and instead had posted the information I requested. I was trying to figure out why foulcoon was a lynch target, and why people were on him bandwagoning. I was not given the reasoning, and you attacked me for it (indirectly.)

Stop avoiding questions please


@ninjapost: A townie would say "don't lynch me" because they're town. A townie would provide a rolecop as a lynch target because they think that player is scum. In this game rolecop (as I said) I believe is almost useless. Again, if rolecop isn't confirmed town and (again, in my opinion) virtually useless, how is "I think X is scum." where X is a player who is rolecop, a thing that's anti-town?
LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

foulcoon wrote:

man you guys rush a lynch in like 10 pages and then you guys are trying to say that "lurkers" are mafia? thats some bullshit

also you just sounded pretty scummy there, Sync.
btw this is what i meant by flinching. nobody said lurkers were mafia Chris only said if you vig someone vig a lurker. And nobody even vigged a lurker so why is foulcoon crying bloody murder as if he got accused of being marcellus fucking wallace
Mmk, so there's a flinch, which has nothing to do with being called out. Unless you're implying that lurkers being called out was him being called out, and that's how he flinched to it.

So, not really him flinching after being called out, as I see it.
Salvage
i cant believe the amount of time we're losing with this ls




i'll make it simplier for u : LunaticMara, dkun or foulcoon




your choice.
Chris_old

LadySuburu wrote:

Again, if rolecop isn't confirmed town and (again, in my opinion) virtually useless, how is "I think X is scum." where X is a player who is rolecop, a thing that's anti-town?
It's scummy when there are two other people with unconfirmed roles and they are ignored like their names weren't listed by Sync.

That's the entire reason I was calling out dkun.

There is a difference between saying "I think X is scum" and "X is scum confirmed by dead rolecop, lynch them".

.. especially when the person saying it has hardly posted the entire game.
Wojjan
LS I have not avoided a single question. I have always answered and if you are to be too thickheaded to read those answers that will be your problem alone. Just because you're not seeing it doesn't mean it's not there.

Please read that over again, in context of the day before
for a reread you do not give the impression of having reread
Wojjan
foulcoon today, dkun tomorrow.
someone feel free to vig dkun tonight btw
dkun
k waste a vig on me, not my problem if you want to waste time

imho my logic has been just through and through
akrolsmir
Vote: bmin

I don't like any of the wagons yet, though I find LS's reaction interesting.
Wojjan
can we get some more info than that akro
we hardly ever see you and this is how you greet your father
disgusting
pieguyn
I bet both Wojjan and foulcoon are mafia

After seeing this I can't help but think of the time Wojjan, NoHItter, and I all attacked each other day 1, although Wojjan didn't actually read the PM so he didn't know we were mafia. :?
akrolsmir
Erm.
I've been gone for like 3 months, but to me LS's post style (wording, frequency) seems different than what I remember. Also coming to foulcoon's defense like that is pretty... flagrant. I mean, going line by line in reply to an accusation not even leveled at you... Granted there really wasn't much reasoning provided for his bandwagon, but even so let him float or sink for himself unless you have some kind of particular reason to defend him. It's not as if he needed another excuse to lurk more.

That being said, if he doesn't show up in another day I wouldn't mind lynching him. Or Mashley or Mara- they've all been floating by without doing much of anything.

I felt that chris was scum (like Wojjan said) when I was doing a read-through yesterday. I can't recall why though.

bmin I'm voting for mostly for kicking off Sync's lynch. If pieguy is scum (not unlikely) I'd be almost certain he is too.
nvm for some reason Chris's vote on Sync, before bmin's, wasn't recorded by Two. Unvote
Topic Starter
Two_old
Vote Count
foulcoon (2): Wojjan, Salvage
Wojjan (2): foulcoon, LadySuburu
pieguy1372 (1): dkun
LunaticMara (1): Mashley
JInxyjem (1): Lilac
foulcoon
okay now i really think dkun is mafia too.


sorry i havent been posting, my course load and work has been eating my time

also the bandwagon attempt on me was pretty funny. why not lynch someone who isnt contributing or actually seems scum? i don't even have an important role.
Salvage
do you think dkun is the best lynch target foulcoon
Wojjan

foulcoon wrote:

okay now i really think dkun is mafia too.
please explain

also you do have an important role, I gave you yours.

zzzz
Jinxy
Well, I feel foul's slightly suspicious but he's explained his workload so fine. The fact that he's been focusing on Wojj for almost the whole game now is odd. dkun's still sticking to his weird logic and is kinda defeatist which I find suspicious and Mara... eh. He's still Mara. Can't even begin to read him for nuts.
Wojjan
I'm considering mara slightly town if only for the fact that he was posting bullshit but then stopped as if he got bored which he probably wouldn't have if he were mafia
Salvage

Wojjan wrote:

I'm considering mara slightly town if only for the fact that he was posting bullshit but then stopped as if he got bored which he probably wouldn't have if he were mafia


and that's what i call a bad read of someone .. don't disappoint me dearrr




about dkun i already said it, its either really bad or mafia, simple as that.


JInxyjem wrote:

Well, I feel foul's slightly suspicious but he's explained his workload so fine.


where exactly? cause i find those accusaritons on wojjan terrible
Jinxy

foulcoon wrote:

sorry i havent been posting, my course load and work has been eating my time
I personally think we should wait for his explanation on dkun. RE: What he accussed Wojjan of didn't feel like a... flinch or whatever, it probably felt fast for him due to his work?

And by the way, slight fix:

JInxyjem wrote:

Well, I feel foul's slightly suspicious but he's explained his workload, so fine.
"so fine" is my comment, not that he explained it finely, whatever that means.
Wojjan
well salvage you know i hate meta but in you are, mara was cult and basically spamming the entire time wouldn't you think giving him maf would keep him around at least?

I know it's a bad read but it's mara what can you do?
Salvage
lynch him, thats what u can do
Wojjan
nah we're lynching foulcoon
Salvage
ok



everyone else wants to lurk the entire game or is going to actually post something
Salvage
okay if its gonna be this way


lynchs are gonna be : foulcoon > mara > dkun > mashley, regardless of what anyone says.
dkun
so demanding
so suspicious
Salvage
do you want to win or not dkun


if ur really town help town, otherwise be lynched, thats how it works
Mara
open this thread since you've got nothing better to do
see salvage's posts



gotta make an awesome video (if that's allowed that is) about my thoughts tomorrow

stay tuned fuckas
dkun
sure I want to win, and sure, i'll help town. but, I don't even think you're town
that, or you're just retarded
Mara
you've got

fucking english

worse than esa
dkun

LunaticMara wrote:

open this thread since you've got nothing better to do
see salvage's posts
also lol'd
Mashley
Wait why are we lynching foulcoon again? Sure he lurks like hell, but his posts are at least somewhat insightful, unlike dkun's.
dkun

Mashley wrote:

Wait why are we lynching foulcoon again? Sure he lurks like hell, but his posts are at least somewhat insightful, unlike dkun's.
like yours are any better

my posts offer some logic and my pov
maybe you just can't read
Mashley

LunaticMara wrote:

gotta make an awesome video (if that's allowed that is) about my thoughts tomorrow
Hype hype hype
dkun
sorry, let me make emphasis and correct myself

you just can't read
Mashley

dkun wrote:

Mashley wrote:

Wait why are we lynching foulcoon again? Sure he lurks like hell, but his posts are at least somewhat insightful, unlike dkun's.
like yours are any better

my posts offer some logic and my pov
maybe you just can't read
No, your posts just offer pure rage whenever someone suspects you
dkun
pure rage?
I haven't even gotten mad once this game

holy shit you are blind
maybe you can't tell the difference between being mad and being blunt
Salvage
i actually prefeer a mara/dkun lynch over foulcoon but wojjan its without any doubt town and foulcoon its suggestin her lynch over and over, thats why i have no problem lynching him



and dkun calling me retard its hillarous
dkun
seeing you can't spell, maybe it's true salvage

but ok, i'm town and you can lynch me to see
Mashley

dkun wrote:

pure rage?
I haven't even gotten mad once this game

holy shit you are blind
maybe you can't tell the difference between being mad and being blunt
Call it what you want, but you are acting ridiculously defensive. Stop taking suspicion as some sort of personal attack because it's not.
Fuck why am I giving the mafia advice?
Salvage

dkun wrote:

seeing you can't spell, maybe it's true salvage

but ok, i'm town and you can lynch me to see


forgive me for having another lenguage mr english
Salvage
also diverting attention from your crappy play and obvious scummy behavior into my fail english its not gonna work dkun



as i said help town or get lynched, and that "i'll help town" thing doesn't work neither, do it now thx.
Mashley
Yeah seriously, using spelling as an argument in mafia? Come on dude, that's reaally weak.
dkun
being retarded is a crime, salvage
especially in mafia

so what do you want me to say? omg jump on bandwagon lynch foulcoon?
nty

who died and made you the almighty savior for all of us
Salvage
you're doing the exact opposite actually



do your thoughts on every player to start with



flaming being that bad its pretty funny tho, but it makes things a little harder since it makes me want to lynch you and from your point of view it'd hurt town and u still push it :(.
dkun
I can't understand what the hell you just said
Salvage
too bad



unvote, vote dkun
dkun
so you give me a shit sentence in english
don't offer to elaborate
then say too bad because your english is so bad and vote me

hooooooly mother of god
Mara
guys shut the fuck up

you guys are taking a slot from main page when I'm trying to access off-topic
dkun
also, I don't know who's worse
pieguy/chris or you salvage/mashley

unvote
vote salvage
Wojjan
unvote vote dkun

just promise me mashley tomorrow he basically went "yeah what salvage said" on everything and we lost an amazing amount of time with both of them

at least mara had the decorum of being a lurker if all he's gonna do is spam shit no one cares about
Mashley

Wojjan wrote:

just promise me mashley tomorrow he basically went "yeah what salvage said" on everything and we lost an amazing amount of time with both of them
Despite that it was me who called dkun out in the first place? Riiiight.
And I must have missed the point where 20 minutes became a huge amount of time.
Chris_old
dkun, you thought that Sync's word = fact. You can't be worse if you wanted to.

unvote vote dkun

I called out dkun in the first place Mashley~

also I'd rather lynch someone who never posts before Mashley.

Believe it or not, these people are still playing..

Lilac
bmin11
animask
Mashley

Chris wrote:

I called out dkun in the first place Mashley~
I meant in the context of the previous discussion involving dkun.
Topic Starter
Two_old
Vote Count
dkun (3): Salvage, Wojjan, Chris
Wojjan (2): foulcoon, LadySuburu
LunaticMara (1): Mashley
JInxyjem (1): Lilac
Salvage (1): dkun

18~ hours left
Lilac
dkun's just being dkun...

He'll take any argument really and use it against anyone if he's angry enough... That's why I don't see anything out of the ordinary. Though, I'm at a lost as to who else can be mafia now...
Sleep Powder
Skimming... blah blah rolecop discussion, accusations/suspicions based on shit0ns of behaviors, Two made a (big?) mistake, oh... foulcoon and Chris seem to be interesting.

dkun seems to be pretty scummy right now, but I'm mostly reading it off of his reactions to everyone. He could be overwhelmed from all the accusations (lol so weak) so I can't really tell.

I'm ready for interrogation! Actually, anything really... I have no leads or anything. It looks like I'll have to re-read a lot so I can get some good suspects.
akrolsmir

Lilac wrote:

Though, I'm at a lost as to who else can be mafia now...
You know what they say. If you can't spot the sucker at the table...
fos: Lilac

oh and vote: animask after an ISO read and that post above- I particularly like how he's avoided voting at the end of days 1 and 2.
Chris_old
nice try at reinforcing a foulcoon lynch while trying to discredit me animask

step your game up

also post more than once every 4 days thx
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