Oh...if it was in that big wall of text, then I wouldn't have read it...

I read the Page 12 one though so...

well now you know. Vote Luna

We'll get Hernan tomorrow.

If you say so. Vote: Luna.

Oh yeah, nice job tricking Sinistro as well.

Sorry for massive wall of text again, just felt like I needed to reply to Wojjan's ridiculous accusations~
Didn't proofread, so if you find big grammar mistakes or anything that's why.


I'm only pushing for a lynch if I actually try to get someone killed. There's stuff like pressure votes or bait votes that don't intend to kill anyone but instead collect information. Let me quote Two from 111111, since you guys accept him as a good player:

that's because this is a game about lying. Just because I say someone is mafia doesn't mean I actually think that.

So yeah, your point is wrong. A single vote does not necessarily equal pushing for a lynch.



"ad hominem" means personal attacks to discredit one's actions or arguments.
When your reactions to my vote and me explaining the intentions behind my vote are mostly "You Suck" and "Fuck You" that's clearly an attempt to make me look ridiculously bad and thus discredit my actions. That's the definition of ad hominem.
But I don't even care what you call it, it's not really appropriate behavior anyway.
And yes, my arument was very bad. I don't blame you for voting me. What I do blame you for is your overly exaggerated focus on only that vote and your crazy overagression.



I think Salvage agrees that not responding in revealing ways to random/obviously baseless votes is good play.
Or are you saying he is a bad player because his reply post didn't contain a response to my vote?
For serious votes, sure. But defending against every random vote is wrong.



You acted like it.



What? Did you even read my post? I don't even use mafiascum and this post doesn't say I do lol All I use it for is checking rules because games on this forum seem to generally follow mafiascum.
You literally said that "bait votes don't exist" (If you want, I can even look the quote up and post it for you). What do you base this on? Personal experience? Well, then your experience is incomplete. I just assumed that you opened mafiascum, searched for the term and didn't find anything (I don't even know if it's listed) since you were obviously were baited by the vote and thus should have acknowledged that stuff like that exists.
Stop trying to make me look bad like that lol



Of course you didn't say everybody else is town. But you say that I am scum. Or is that wrong? If you think I'm town you wouldn't push my lynch that overly agressive unless you had a reason (read: Lyncher).
What I'm accusing you of is that your extreme playstyle focuses everything only on me and any other discussion that might move away from a Luna-lynch WILL get drowned in your sea of agression.



I can deal with it fine, but it's annoying when half the post consists of personal attacks instead of content.

Of course you didn't SAY it. That would ruin your chances at winning. You just FELT like you had to take the first opportunity before anyone could be confirmed. And sure, when you lynch me doesn't change anything for you, only that you actually get me lynched. But same goes for a lyncher.



Then spell it out. There were multiple instances where you quoted "contradictions" that were not actually contradictions but looked like it out of context. Like the RVS vs Lurking scumminess issue.



1) If you say so...
2) I didn't say that playstyle was necessarily scummy, I said that even if it were a scumtell (it's not, but I still dislike his play) it wouldn't be a viable one on Salvage since he does it every game.
3) I didn't try to confuse town, I tried to get information. Since when does "force reactions" equal to "confuse town"? Stop putting words in my mouth.



I posted that we should get discussion started. Salvage said something along the lines of "Someone will start it eventually" I told him to do it himself if he already hated on RVs and he replied something like "I'm not the one who brought that up 2 hours ago". 2 hours ago was me posting that we need to get discussion started asap (deadlines and stuff, you know?) so to me that looked like "I didn't bring it up, I'm not responsible. Start discussion yourself".
I'd say that's an understandable train of thoughts.



I never voted for you up to this point and it was not because of your initial reaction. I believe you are town. Your behaviour so far however has convinced me that you are most likely a Lyncher and that is absolutely not pro-town even if they are "technically" town.



fyi, after so many (long) posts this hardly qualifies as OMGUS. Otherwise nobody would ever be allowed to vote for their attacker. Nobody. Ever. (This is also @Hernan. OMGUS looks different, I just knew it would be brought up regardless)
And Lyncher is my genuine read on you after you displayed you crazy over-focus on only lynching me asap no matter what (And you saying that you'll vote me any day after this even if I survive, no matter what).



Congratulations, you did understand what I would have done if anyone would have voted Salvage.
And you attacking me did make me think you are town. I still think that. Just that you are a Lyncher and thus effectively anti-town. I never said that it was wrong to attack me. I even said that it was the right decision (to lazy to look for the exact quote, but it's there). I didn't vote you because you "attacked me" but because of the way you decided to follow up on that attack.

111111 never ended, you don't know what Two's alignment is. I don't see why you trust Two there, but you question me trusting Salvage here.

And you never relayed 2) out of that heap: You are saying that your argument on Salvage is well-founded, but earlier you said you could have picked anyone to vote on. So was it a legit suspicion or not? Or did you genuinelly go through the effort of coming up with a good argument to serve as your bad argument?

Wojjan wrote:

111111 never ended, you don't know what Two's alignment is. I don't see why you trust Two there, but you question me trusting Salvage here.

I don't trust him, but the statement is true regardless.

And you never relayed 2) out of that heap: You are saying that your argument on Salvage is well-founded, but earlier you said you could have picked anyone to vote on. So was it a legit suspicion or not? Or did you genuinelly go through the effort of coming up with a good argument to serve as your bad argument?

It was not a legit suspicion, just the easiest "pseudo-reason" I could come up with that would get a reaction. Any other reason would have been too obvious of a random vote.

on baitvotes: baitvotes is the biggest bullshit ever, it never works and is ALWAYS in my experience scumm pedaling back from a bad lynch before it happens, or scumpainting someone who went along because they don't know what else to do.

baitvotes happen, but never work as a tactic which you have once again proven, so I say that baitvotes as a strategy does not exist.

you also don't get what an ad hominem is. When I say fuck you, I am not saying "your argument is wrong because fuck you. I am saying "your argument is wrong for so-and-so reason. Fuck you."

"You suck You suck You suck You suck You suck You suck" And "How could you think that? Fuck You!" make it look like I'm so bad that you don't even need to explain anything. It's ad hominem.

Luna wrote:

SPOILER

Salvage had even already reacted to it, by posting a reply with pretty much no reaction which is the right thing to do.

I want to know in what perverted hellhole you learnt to play mafia where not responding to posts where people accuse you is a good thing to do.

I think Salvage agrees that not responding in revealing ways to random/obviously baseless votes is good play.
Or are you saying he is a bad player because his reply post didn't contain a response to my vote?
For serious votes, sure. But defending against every random vote is wrong.

please try harder. At the time where you'd expect a reaction out of salvage, you didn't publicly say that your vote was a baitvote, OR a random vote, OR whatever you want to call your shit. You came up with a faulty reason to vote someone, and pretended it was serious.

Any player would assume if someone acts serious about a serious reason to seriously vote that the player is being serious. They would respond in line. Salvage had no cues to know that your vote was a baitvote, only to know that your vote was a shit vote.

Luna wrote:

"You suck You suck You suck You suck You suck You suck" And "How could you think that? Fuck You!" make it look like I'm so bad that you don't even need to explain anything. It's ad hominem.

[quote="Wikipedia, backed up by four references,":16909]Gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an ad hominem or a logical fallacy.

Wojjan wrote:

please try harder. At the time where you'd expect a reaction out of salvage, you didn't publicly say that your vote was a baitvote, OR a random vote, OR whatever you want to call your shit. You came up with a faulty reason to vote someone, and pretended it was serious.

Umm, of course I wouldn't say publicly that it's a bait vote. Nobody would react if I did. Acting like it's serious is kind of the point if you want anyone to react.

Any player would assume if someone acts serious about a serious reason to seriously vote that the player is being serious. They would respond in line. Salvage had no cues to know that your vote was a baitvote, only to know that your vote was a shit vote.

I agree, it was a shitvote. So he didn't respond. That's the correct play.
Yet you still try to make me look horrible because I said it was right for him to not react? You make no sense.

i suggest you drop it luna, cause you're deffending the impossible, your very first idea was bad and it's still bad.




we could save a day or so if you want to roleclaim to avoid your lynch, cause i don't really see another way i would not vote for you.

Luna wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

please try harder. At the time where you'd expect a reaction out of salvage, you didn't publicly say that your vote was a baitvote, OR a random vote, OR whatever you want to call your shit. You came up with a faulty reason to vote someone, and pretended it was serious.

Umm, of course I wouldn't say publicly that it's a bait vote. Nobody would react if I did. Acting like it's serious is kind of the point if you want anyone to react.

Any player would assume if someone acts serious about a serious reason to seriously vote that the player is being serious. They would respond in line. Salvage had no cues to know that your vote was a baitvote, only to know that your vote was a shit vote.

I agree, it was a shitvote. So he didn't respond. That's the correct play.
Yet you still try to make me look horrible because I said it was right for him to not react? You make no sense.

no, YOU don't make any sense! If someone votes you for a shit reason you say the reason is shit! YOU DON'T IGNORE IT

And while "name calling" may not be ad hominem in itself, it can be used as such (Like back there, it was supposed to make me look like a horrible player and thus discredit my actions).
But again, I don't really care about terminology, it doesn't change your behaviour.

no it was supposed to make you look like a horrible player. I provided ample reasons to discredit your actions otherwise.

And whatever, looks like I really have to claim now.
Didn't really want to with this role, but whatever...

I'm a 3-Shot Paranoid Doctor (= Jailkeeper)

Don't really want to claim my food yet in case there are activated abilities that use that information (like in 111111) unless you can provide good reasons why I should.

i see


what's your story about

what

hahaha vote luna harder

If you mean flavor, there is no special flavor text. Just that I protect someone from poison if that counts.

also is that your real role name

or is it mafia roleblocker

My real role name is my food name in bold followed by "(3-Shot Paranoid Doctor)"
It's basically a Jailkeeper (Doc+Roleblocker)

is the poison thing flavor or are you a genuine poison doctor

or a mafia roleblocker?

It's not marked as flavor (not in italic text) and I'm called Doctor so I assume I block all kills.
It would make sense to make scum kill with poison in a restaurant mafia game.

so again you're role name is your food chosen?

Salvage wrote:

so again you're role name is your food chosen?

Define role name lol
If you mean the bolded part of my PM, then yes.

Vote Count:

Luna (6) - Wojjan, Sync, palion, Hernan, Lilac, Salvage
Wojjan (2) - bmin, Luna,
Sync (1) - foulcoon

Less than 24 hours, 2 more to hammer.

mine isn't



why would a doctor be named as a food anyways .. i mean "You're a Carrot (3-shot Paranoid Doctor)" doesn't sound good to me.




any thoughts u lurkers?

also the food was random, i don't eat healty food i'm sorry

It doesn't say that I "am" the food. Just that I have been served it.
I can't be more specific because then I'd be quoting the role PM.

vote: Salvage

You apparently have a different kind of role PM from me (town) and are trying to get as much detail about the PM out of me to maybe fake one later?

Well, I'll be playing a few matches of SC2 now.
Will reply to any questions/whatever later

i don't need to fake anything , it wasn't logical (love you lilac) to me taking in mind my role is called on a different way and i don't mind saying it


do you want me to roleclaim luna?



also your attempt with that vote is actually more bad than the first one and it goes even more against your hardly believable claim

Salvage wrote:

"You're a Carrot (3-shot Paranoid Doctor)" doesn't sound good to me.

That's basically the format of the role PM though, Salvage...

...I'm on to you now.

I understand where salvage is coming from. Why doesn't anyone else?

it's surprising they don't wojjan, lilac is either on brain off mode or he's just knows it and iis still playing bad as mafia

Hi guys

Vote: Luna

Bye guys

Also I don't mind being up for lynch tomorrow.

vote Luna

Vote Count:

Luna (8) - Wojjan, Sync, palion, Hernan, Lilac, Salvage, DxS, TBTE
Wojjan (2) - bmin, Luna,
Sync (1) - foulcoon

that's the hammer.

EDIT: I edited the post. Sowwerys

oh god

As much as I like reading, those walls of text I had to suffer through ripped my soul into pieces and then ate them

Salvage wrote:

so again you're role name is your food chosen?

lol, maybe I'm misunderstanding this post, but wow your excuse for this very big blunder of a post is weak.
Unvote, Vote: Salvage

Are you guys kidding me? You're voting for Luna after he made that stupid ass post? Are you even reading the thread? He's way more suspicious than Luna...

okay before the night



in case there is another doctor protect me .. other than that nothing to go on



Roleclaim : Caterer



i'm a motivator and i work at the restaurant serving foods .. and since i'm the only one claimed pr protect me thx.

oh like that no I don't have that as a role

makes sense though

Sorry about that edited post back there, i mistook the edit button for the quote button.

My Bad.

unvote

Wojjan: Why are you defending him to death? Are you trying to make it seem too obvious that you guys are working together?

do you want me to motivate you wojjan

also i don't get your point, are you up for lynching a claimed motivator?



even tho my role is not that good it's still a Power Role and why would i have said that i have a different role name if i knew Luna was town and i wasn't?



or are you trying to blend with Lilac now that you have a chance of doing so

because what salvage said above. No scum would bring up townie role flavor.

If you could, sure.

If I wanted to blend in, I would have kept my vote Luna because he is like 2 votes away.

I'm up for lynching you because even though it may seem too obvious, you and Wojjan are suspicious as hell. That wasn't enough to move me, though. It wasn't until you blundered up and tried calling Luna out for what appears to be a perfectly normal town role-PM

So am i dead now or was that unvote accepted?
If I'm dead, way to lynch a claimed doctor with no counterclaims or definite proof. Go town lol

it clearly isn't normal to me cause my role is not flavored that way



is it that hard to understand or u just read between lines

Why would I believe such a baseless argument

Sounds like a last minute excuse you came up with after you realized you fucked up to me

okay i give up



it's incredible how people fail to use the brain at this game

ok

Why would you motivate Wojjan?

Motivate DxS.

totally forgot about dxs


will do

also if there is a watcher watch me

My role pm does not have any brackets unlike what Luna says.

On the other hand, we have all been served food and I find it unlikely for Salvage to get a Caterer as a role unless animask completely disregarded his choices.
And I do remember putting a nonsense theory that says the motivator was a chef or something many pages ago... Did you get your claim there?

I request a cop or tracker on Salvage. Alternatively, another doc on DxS.

Unvote and I'm very confused how Salvage got a job instead of a dish. I was clearly "served" one of the dishes I PM'd animask.

Oh and what were you served, Luna?

or maybe a doc on me and a watcher on dxs


i could still give food and we'd know who if anyone killed dxs

Oh damn Luna was hammered :<

Salvage wrote:

or maybe a doc on me and a watcher on dxs


i could still give food and we'd know who if anyone killed dxs

fine with this

JInxyjem wrote:

And I do remember putting a nonsense theory that says the motivator was a chef or something many pages ago... Did you get your claim there?

about that, there is a chef and i know who he is.

FoS: Sync, palion, Hernan, TBTE I would have been more comfortable lynching these people then Luna tbh

Hi this backfire's girlfriend. He got banned so he says he'll communicate through me.

"So Luna is lynched I believe. I will write a death scene. Until then, it's twilight. You can keep talking. Unless I made a mistake, then please tell me."

Lol when did that happen.

Also Salvage, wtf? So you're a mason or something?

yes i am

for the night, assuming those roles exist



watcher watch dxs
cop investigate me
doctor save me

I can confirm Salvage's role based on the flavor of my role.
Also potatoes.

Edit: Doctor should be on Salvage.

What doctor?
You kinda lynched me lol

again:


watcher watch dxs
cop investigate me
doctor protect me

So you all start up when I go to sleep >.>

Ugh I still disagree with the Luna lynch but there's nothing that can be done now. I completely lost track after the 3rd wall of text mainly because it felt like zealous bashing opposed to proper scum hunting.

Also, amusing part;

Wojjan wrote:

You cannot deny that Salvage is a very good mafia player. I don't think I have seen him lose games, or not by his own fault.

Basic mafia comes to mind.

bmin11 wrote:

FoS: Sync, palion, Hernan, TBTE I would have been more comfortable lynching these people then Luna tbh

Why me?

Backfire :
You know what, it is now Night 1. Luna was a 3-shot Paranoid Doctor (I believe...something like that. He was definatley a doctor )
I'm sorry I didn't write a death scene. This is honestly as much of a cluster fuck for me as it is you guys.
Please PM all role actions to Jenna.
If you have any questions, or don't feel comfortable pming things to her, add me on MSN (Backfirenum001@hotmail.com), Skype (Backfirenum001), or add me on steam (Backfire).
Again, sorry for the inconvenience. I am truly a moron of the highest caliber.

Night lasts for 48 hours.

---------------------------------------
Luna just seemed like a good lynch today. You all voted for Luna expecting a mafia to pop up, but there's no luck today.
Luna was dragged to the slaughter room and said some final words, but there was no time for that. Luna was about to be turned into
animal feed. Actually, Luna was fed to the talking alien plant who craved blood (especially human blood). The workers chopped
Luna up and tossed the chunks into the mouth of the plant. "Feed me!"

Luna also tasted like Sauerkraut... the waiters confirmed that Luna had ordered some.
------------------------------------------


Luna - 3-shot Paranoid Poison Doctor - Lynched D1

It is now the Night phase.

PM your night actions before 40 hours

I should have told Backfire to make changes if necessary, but I guess he didn't. I found some internet access so I can check here at about this time for the next 3-4 days (maybe a little earlier or later in hours) in case you wanted to know.

------------------------
Day 2

Everyone arrives back at the restaurant the next day. It seems that there was an important announcement from the owner of the restaurant. "I am very sorry about the lynch yesterday. Some of you may know by now, that the mafia is in this very group!" said the owner "I would also like to announce that the Chef prepared a sample of Mashed Potatoes for everyone today"

You are all allowed to take one, but we also can't tolerate any uneaten leftovers. Please finish any dishes from earlier before taking a sample today or tonight.

When receiving your dish, you will be informed of its ability. Note that this version is weaker or slightly different than the original.
-----------------

Nobody was killed last night.

It is now Day 2.

It takes 8 to lynch.

so what now we can exchange our roles for someone who has the role of mashed potatoes? Can someone claim that?

I was not motivated last night at all. So...

well i did send my action, i motivated you and wojjan so i clearly got roleblocked.

same. Didn't get it.

oh wait i just readed that the role says you'll get the roles on the following night so nvm, idk if i got roleblocked anyways we'll see.

and it also says that if you guys already have food you will not recieve the role so use ur food kthx.

shit then you wasted an action on me.

i still don't get how it works cause i think everyone got mashed potatoes and i really doubt they're all day usable .. gonna ask the mod about it cause i really don't get it.

unless it's the first food? .. i gave mashed potatoes to you and pepporoni pizza to dxs



gonno ask the mod anyways

oh and the chef also gave everyone mashed potatoes so it'd be like double mashed potatoes for u or something idk

vote: Sync



what were you gonna say

not sure which post are you talking about

Someone tried to kill me..

You guys are the worst. *yawn*

To be honest, I am goddamn suspicious of Wojjan right now. Though I suppose I do wonder who actually did try to kill me even though there's no real point in doing it tonight either.

Okay, so the only real people who would target me is either Rantai, Wojjan or Salvage. I don't think anyone else could have chose me D1 to kill...unless I screwed someone over before...I did screw with Hernan before. He might have taken it the wrong way.

Ok in order to support my case i roleclaim 3-Shot Follower.

The only reason i say this is because i followed wojjan yesterday and i got reported back that he tried to kill *someone*. I know this for a fact. I do not know who he was aiming for but i do indeed know that he tried to kill someone last night.

i meant when you lurked a bit and left Sync



unvote, vote Wojjan

Vote: Wojjan.

Why would you kill me, Wojjan. Why?!?

I didn't kill you. 3-shot blowfish poisoner vig. Sync dies if he uses his ability tonight.
Is also why I can't get any motivations.

Hold on, kill and poison are two different things...

TBTE, did it actually say "kill"?