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Two_old
and the reason you excluded me was what, rantai?

I'd also like to know why you aren't voting for adam, thx
Rantai
Did I miss a publically announced action from you?

Also I'm not voting yet because I haven't been convinced he's mafia.
adam2046
Probably because I'm town.
Backfire
Ranny chan, we would like it if we could get this over with sweety.
Two_old
yes, my public action was through adam

I can make people post whatever I feel like, including votes and unvotes, and 2 chapters from a tale of two cities

you don't have to be convinced anyone is mafia, you won't be day 1

you just have to vote for the person who is choosing to be lynched (adam)
adam2046

Backfire wrote:

Ranny chan, we would like it if we could get this over with sweety.
Unvote
Vote: Backfire
Rantai

Two wrote:

yes, my public action was through adam

I can make people post whatever I feel like, including votes and unvotes, and 2 chapters from a tale of two cities

you don't have to be convinced anyone is mafia, you won't be day 1

you just have to vote for the person who is choosing to be lynched (adam)
Is that a mafia roleclaim? :P

Also sorry I won't vote until I see something concrete or the person is on my gut feeling list. Besides as you always say my votes are completely insignificant to you, right?
Two_old

Rantai wrote:

Also sorry I won't vote until I see something concrete or the person is on my gut feeling list. Besides as you always say my votes are completely insignificant to you, right?
I would very much appreciate not having to waste the second half of my ability on you if you are town. So I would appreciate it if you would start acting like it.
adam2046
I agree, Two. Your ability does fit you perfectly.
Two_old
just as the flavor behind being mafia fits you~
Rantai
Blindly bandwagoning against my judgment is pro-town. Ok.

Drop the threats, they won't work.
Two_old
I see reluctance to lynch someone who refuses to roleclaim after what feels like the majority has already, and would rather take their role to the grave as anti-town

forgive me
Rantai
Nothing to forgive. It's all business (I hope?)

But I truly believe adam is just being as stubborn as he always is. If you want my opinion I think there are much better people to lynch.
Two_old
rantai if you realize he is stubborn as always, why would you (if you were the host) not give him a mafia role
adam2046
I'd give me a lynchproof/bulletproof role... just saying.
Rantai
Because most of the time he is town and I don't think being stubborn is a scumtell.

Look at how Swift turned out, he was acting scummy, admitted to purposely playing scummy yet turned out town. So if being stubborn is a scumtell (or a factor to determining an alignment), it doesn't necessarily mean he will turn out that way.
0_o

adam2046 wrote:

I agree, Two. Your ability does fit you perfectly.
This. I had a good silent chuckle.

And if it belonged to anyone except Two I would instantly label them as mafia.

Also, I definitely spelled Two as "too" in my first attempt at this post. Yeah it's bedtime.
0_o
Oh yeah.

Two wrote:

rantai if you realize he is stubborn as always, why would you (if you were the host) not give him a mafia role
Just wanted to point out the delicious irony here before I sleep.
Two_old
I'm not saying stubborn=mafia

I'm saying the way adam plays = mafia

it is illogical to not offer your role information in exchange for town not mislynching today, especially because if the role is so valuable to town you're going to lose it by dying anyway

it is also illogical to defend behavior like that, so I have to think that since you also have not offered any role information that you are just buddying with him right now
adam2046
How about we just not mislynch me?
Two_old
it's not a mislynch if you don't claim
0_o
lol it was a joke

sleeping for real now, goodnight
Two_old
I was replying to rantai not you 0_o
Rantai

Two wrote:

I'm not saying stubborn=mafia

I'm saying the way adam plays = mafia

From my perspective being stubborn is his play style.

it is illogical to not offer your role information in exchange for town not mislynching today, especially because if the role is so valuable to town you're going to lose it by dying anyway

it is also illogical to defend behavior like that, so I have to think that since you also have not offered any role information that you are just buddying with him right now

You might as well ask for a mass claim while you're at it too. Subtle I must admit. Not sure about buddying, I'm stating my beliefs on this topic.
Lazy formatting by me.
Two_old
the way in which he is stubborn is always anti-town

ladysuburu hosted wwg and knows this first hand

I don't care if you roleclaim or not, I'm just saying that nothing anyone says who hasn't roleclaimed really has any power behind it in my eyes -- it's much easier for you to be mafia than the people who have
adam2046
You've pretty much decided that my role has to be stubborn huh?
Two_old
bmin, rust, care to vote for adam?
foulcoon
vote: adam2046
Mara
DID I VOTE HIM ALREADY?
Mara
ALSO
Two_old
I don't think you did
Rantai

Two wrote:

I don't care if you roleclaim or not, I'm just saying that nothing anyone says who hasn't roleclaimed really has any power behind it in my eyes -- it's much easier for you to be mafia than the people who have
So what difference does my vote make to you?

I wouldn't worry too much, you'll get your votes from everyone else. I'm just curious who will jump on without a thought.
Two_old
I think the thinkers are who will be jumping on
Chris_old

vote: adam2046
vote2: adam2046
adam2046
I think Two will get a good laugh out of my role.
Rantai
The thinkers: "I think I will follow whatever Two says"

:P
Chris_old
there is a lot of resistance against this lynch

I wonder why
Two_old

Rantai wrote:

The thinkers: "I think I will actually read what Two says"
adam2046

Chris wrote:

there is a lot of resistance against this lynch

I wonder why
Because I'm a pretty cool guy.
adam2046

Two wrote:

Rantai wrote:

The thinkers: "I think I will actually read what Two says"
You and I already know nobody really reads what you say.
bmin11
How about we just mass claim if we are going to do this?
Two_old
I would appreciate a vote on adam before anything bmin
Chris_old
i will never roleclaim
Two_old
lol
bmin11

Chris wrote:

i will never roleclaim
Weren't you a double voter?
Backfire
This is just dumb dadumb dumb dumb.
adam2046

Backfire wrote:

This is just dumb dadumb dumb dumb.
I agree, everyone vote Backfire.
rust45

Two wrote:

bmin, rust, care to vote for adam?
Just got done reading.

Anyway, it seems a lot of people just want to kill someone, and I can't say I disagree considering how many posts we've gotten in this thread in day one alone. But I don't quite get the argument against adam, you're saying his role is stubborn because he tends to be stubborn. Correct? Regardless, I don't see the logic in this. I won't argue that adam tends to be stubborn, and I also think that behavior like that can be mafia. But the fact that his first post was like that really seems like it wouldn't be scum at all.

And ugh, if this post doesn't make sense, it's probably because it's almost midnight and I had a long day. I will probably be going to sleep after posting this.
Two_old
no I'm saying his role is anti town because he plays anti town

rantai is the one throwing stubborn around and I'm just trying to make what I say relatable to them
Backfire
Do it, im town and pretty much confirmed from my convo with mara.
Just mislynch me if you honestly think its a better idea.
adam2046
It totally is.
Trust me.
Two_old
also

rust45 wrote:

But the fact that his first post was like that really seems like it wouldn't be scum at all.
you get that that wasn't really his ability/himself posting right? I made him say that
adam2046
That's not a joke btw.
adam2046

Two wrote:

no I'm saying his role is anti town because he plays anti two
Two_old
anti two is lybydose, dear adam
Backfire
I honestly think it would be a horrible idea to lynch me.
Why?
Well, we know im town, I have the potential to get very valuable data, as already shown by the LS event pm and am fairly active and add to the conversation.

Lynching me should be low on the list.
Two_old
backfire you need to stop responding to that
Backfire
Im sorry ;-;
Mara
OK TWO

VOTE: ADAM

AMEN
adam2046

Backfire wrote:

I honestly think it would be a horrible idea to lynch me.
Why?
Well, we know im town, I have the potential to get very valuable data, as already shown by the LS event pm and am fairly active and add to the conversation.

Lynching me should be low on the list.
We know for a fact that you're town?
Oh, I must have missed the page where someone confirmed you.

Guys, I just got a PM from LS. It said backfire is mafia and that I'm 100% innocent.
Backfire
I want to say one thing
The LS pm and my confirmation werent the same thing.
adam2046
link
Rantai
If you made him do that why did you incriminate animask?

Then again I guess you just used that to confirm your role, nevermind.

Which brings me to my next thought. How is you being able to force anyone to say whatever you want a good thing for town?

Other than you are the almighty farseer of town.

(@Two, of course)
Two_old
I didn't use it to confirm my role. The idea was to use someone who was likely mafia as a puppet to hunt down other mafia, then cut the cord to incriminate him. Here is what I had planned for day 2 after I'd sent day 1 (I didn't want to keep lunaticmara around at this point):

"A force threatens this town once more. I will tell you flat out, to even the score.

NWPCVKEOCTC

From glyph hop once, hop twice due east, some would say. To find the answer you have only this day.

Roleclaim - Possessed Channeler (Sphinx)"
Rantai
Ahh now I understand.
Two_old
vote for adam now? :o
adam2046
I don't really get it, there's no restriction saying I can't just tell everyone I'm being forced to say something.
Two_old
and? I took care of that by making it possession
adam2046
So you think that town would just follow along with information from nowhere or some-yeah they probably would...
Rantai
I'll compromise. I'll vote for him if he hasn't been hammered, tomorrow.

Only because I feel slightly more comfortable about you atm.

Edit: english
Two_old
rantai there is a reason why I'd like him lynched today

please assist me
Two_old
or you can ignore my post~

I guess I have to waste it on you after all
Rantai
What reason?

(I left the house again for a bit, my bad)
Two_old
well if I wanted to tell you the reason I'd have just told you

let's just call the reason "plan b", and what I shared with you "plan a"
adam2046
I don't think I like plan b.
Rantai
/sigh

Fine, I'll play your little game. If it turns out bad you're going to get my vote a lot.

Vote: adam
Kokizi
20+ pages since my last visit. and it's just day 1. oh my.
Two_old
all you gotta do is vote for adam2046
Jinxy
I think there are 8 votes on adam now?

So Two has an undisclosed reason as to why he wants adam lynched. I seriously do not like this idea, but no one else stands out right now. Mostly because Two made adam stand out. Gaaaah.

Yeah I'll think about it while bathing
Two_old
jinxyjem if you're waiting for the votes to shift to someone else, you're going to be waiting a very long time

so either discount the reasons I've given for voting for him and offer a better substitute, or vote with us
Two_old
it would also be nice if KRZY posted
adam2046
You'll be getting coal this year, Rantai.
Rantai

adam2046 wrote:

You'll be getting coal this year, Rantai.
;~;
adam2046
But seriously, don't lynch me.
KRZY
What the fuck is a channeler/librarian

Can't find it anywhere on the web
Two_old
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
KRZY
Also why the fuck are you guys up so early
Two_old
read the thread
KRZY
Also didn't post yesterday cuz I went to bed at 8 after playing God knows how many LoL games
Rantai

adam2046 wrote:

But seriously, don't lynch me.
I seriously don't want to. But this supposed 'plan' is more interesting and holds more weight than my assumption that you are just stubborn.
Two_old
it would be nice to hear from wojjan too who I just saw lurking
adam2046

Rantai wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

But seriously, don't lynch me.
I seriously don't want to. But this supposed 'plan' is more interesting and holds more weight than my assumption that you are just stubborn.
Any plan that specifically involves me dying is fundamentally flawed.
Wojjan
Can we get a votecount?
adam2046
Unless it's a mafia plan.
Two_old
someone said it was 8 votes adam I don't know how accurate that is
Wojjan
so why are we voting adam and not 0_o?
0_o
Two_old
because he roleclaimed
Wojjan
yeah so are we just gonna massclaim?
Wojjan
oh no whoops missed a page vote: adam
Two_old
I don't want it to distract from this but, if you want to, go for it I guess
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