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Backfire
This is getting seriously seriously gay with all the bandwagons but fuck it.
Unvote, Vote : adam2046
pieguyn
unvote, vote adam2046

I'm not sure I know what you mean, but okay then :?
adam2046
If you think it's gay then stop forcing half the town to roleclaim.
Seriously.

Two wrote:

unvote, vote adam2046
So why are we voting me now?
Two_old

adam2046 wrote:

So why are we voting me now?
I don't know, why don't you share with us what your role does
adam2046

Two wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

So why are we voting me now?
I don't know, why don't you share with us what your role does
I'm going to need a pretty good reason to give you kind of information.
One better than you being mafia.
Two_old
how about a reason like it won't matter what your role is when you're dead
0_o
So instead of massclaiming, let's get a bandwagon on every single person in the game and force them to claim.

ok
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
In case it may come up, I will say you are not supposed to even reference (paraphrase, anything). Information in the section which is for your eyes only.
adam2046
You already know I'm not going to tell you my ability.
Two_old

0_o wrote:

So instead of massclaiming, let's get a bandwagon on every single person in the game and force them to claim.

ok
adam is a motivated player who is likely to be mafia and whose ability is unknown to us

I don't think you should have a problem with someone claiming after you supposedly did, and after so many other people have (including a doctor)

in fact, it's best to go all out if you're going to do it at all
adam2046

Two wrote:

adam is a motivated player who is likely to be mafia and whose ability is unknown to usl
What makes me likely to be mafia?
Two_old
process of elimination, lack of posts, no contention other than "dunno" when referring to what I made you post
Two_old
your well-known stance against roleclaiming, to the point where you wouldn't even claim after dying in wwg, screams a mafia role to me
adam2046

Two wrote:

your well-known stance against roleclaiming, to the point where you wouldn't even claim after dying in wwg, screams a mafia role to me
Your well known bullying of other players into roleclaiming or following your lead, screams mafia to me.
See, I can also pick a single trait from you and make you sound like you have to be mafia.

Two wrote:

process of elimination, lack of posts, no contention other than "dunno" when referring to what I made you post
So...I'm mafia for telling the truth then?
Two_old
I don't care about your bad reasoning. I don't care if you turn up town. Odds are you won't, but if you do I'll sleep just fine because you refuse to lift a finger to help yourself or help the town. That is how you play.
0_o
I'm not saying it's not in his best interest to claim, I'm just commenting on how it's unfortunate that the game has already turned into a claimfest on Day 1 - something we were hoping to avoid at the beginning.
adam2046
Help myself...by giving mafia my role?
Two_old
with 75 pages on day 1, 0_o, is it really "day 1"?
adam2046
Yes.
0_o
I don't think the number of pages makes much a difference, really.
Chris_old
can we all just kill somebody please
Two_old
well, 0_o thinks it would be in your best interest to claim (I assume you think he's town when you say that)

if you're town, why would you want us to lynch you? do you think you're special from the other people who roleclaimed to avoid that happening?

I think a lot of people, like you just saw chris say, want this day to be over

I don't think more than 5 people are going to be opposed to lynching you to do it
Backfire
Can we please lynch someone, regardless if they claim?
Two_old
I'm down
adam2046

Two wrote:

well, 0_o thinks it would be in your best interest to claim (I assume you think he's town when you say that)

if you're town, why would you want us to lynch you? do you think you're special from the other people who roleclaimed to avoid that happening?

I think a lot of people, like you just saw chris say, want this day to be over

I don't think more than 5 people are going to be opposed to lynching you to do it
What does any of this mean to me?
Nothing.

So I should help town by giving mafia my role or run the risk of town ending the day faster (which they shouldn't be doing).
I can tell you for a fact that it's in mafia's best interest to get all these roleclaims on day 1 because by now they have plenty of information to act on.

if you're town, why would you want us to lynch you? do you think you're special from the other people who roleclaimed to avoid that happening?
I do think I'm special.
So there.
Two_old
they already have information, that's the idea behind mafia

that's why a mass roleclaim day 1 usually wins games

I don't really care though, I'm glad you are volunteering yourself to be lynched
foulcoon
can we kill animask tomorrow then if adam turns up town?
Two_old
maybe

but you realize that I put animasks name there right
Rantai
I was just thinking. Who remembers 2 for 1?

As mafia we were given a 1 shot public ability on top of our normal mafia role. I remember LS mentioning that in later games he would think about implementing working versions of these 1 shots. This being the last and next game he's hosted/ing I'm willing to bet he has put them in.

What does this mean? I'm starting to think Mashley, Mara or even Chris may just have one of such abilities.
Two_old
and the reason you excluded me was what, rantai?

I'd also like to know why you aren't voting for adam, thx
Rantai
Did I miss a publically announced action from you?

Also I'm not voting yet because I haven't been convinced he's mafia.
adam2046
Probably because I'm town.
Backfire
Ranny chan, we would like it if we could get this over with sweety.
Two_old
yes, my public action was through adam

I can make people post whatever I feel like, including votes and unvotes, and 2 chapters from a tale of two cities

you don't have to be convinced anyone is mafia, you won't be day 1

you just have to vote for the person who is choosing to be lynched (adam)
adam2046

Backfire wrote:

Ranny chan, we would like it if we could get this over with sweety.
Unvote
Vote: Backfire
Rantai

Two wrote:

yes, my public action was through adam

I can make people post whatever I feel like, including votes and unvotes, and 2 chapters from a tale of two cities

you don't have to be convinced anyone is mafia, you won't be day 1

you just have to vote for the person who is choosing to be lynched (adam)
Is that a mafia roleclaim? :P

Also sorry I won't vote until I see something concrete or the person is on my gut feeling list. Besides as you always say my votes are completely insignificant to you, right?
Two_old

Rantai wrote:

Also sorry I won't vote until I see something concrete or the person is on my gut feeling list. Besides as you always say my votes are completely insignificant to you, right?
I would very much appreciate not having to waste the second half of my ability on you if you are town. So I would appreciate it if you would start acting like it.
adam2046
I agree, Two. Your ability does fit you perfectly.
Two_old
just as the flavor behind being mafia fits you~
Rantai
Blindly bandwagoning against my judgment is pro-town. Ok.

Drop the threats, they won't work.
Two_old
I see reluctance to lynch someone who refuses to roleclaim after what feels like the majority has already, and would rather take their role to the grave as anti-town

forgive me
Rantai
Nothing to forgive. It's all business (I hope?)

But I truly believe adam is just being as stubborn as he always is. If you want my opinion I think there are much better people to lynch.
Two_old
rantai if you realize he is stubborn as always, why would you (if you were the host) not give him a mafia role
adam2046
I'd give me a lynchproof/bulletproof role... just saying.
Rantai
Because most of the time he is town and I don't think being stubborn is a scumtell.

Look at how Swift turned out, he was acting scummy, admitted to purposely playing scummy yet turned out town. So if being stubborn is a scumtell (or a factor to determining an alignment), it doesn't necessarily mean he will turn out that way.
0_o

adam2046 wrote:

I agree, Two. Your ability does fit you perfectly.
This. I had a good silent chuckle.

And if it belonged to anyone except Two I would instantly label them as mafia.

Also, I definitely spelled Two as "too" in my first attempt at this post. Yeah it's bedtime.
0_o
Oh yeah.

Two wrote:

rantai if you realize he is stubborn as always, why would you (if you were the host) not give him a mafia role
Just wanted to point out the delicious irony here before I sleep.
Two_old
I'm not saying stubborn=mafia

I'm saying the way adam plays = mafia

it is illogical to not offer your role information in exchange for town not mislynching today, especially because if the role is so valuable to town you're going to lose it by dying anyway

it is also illogical to defend behavior like that, so I have to think that since you also have not offered any role information that you are just buddying with him right now
adam2046
How about we just not mislynch me?
Two_old
it's not a mislynch if you don't claim
0_o
lol it was a joke

sleeping for real now, goodnight
Two_old
I was replying to rantai not you 0_o
Rantai

Two wrote:

I'm not saying stubborn=mafia

I'm saying the way adam plays = mafia

From my perspective being stubborn is his play style.

it is illogical to not offer your role information in exchange for town not mislynching today, especially because if the role is so valuable to town you're going to lose it by dying anyway

it is also illogical to defend behavior like that, so I have to think that since you also have not offered any role information that you are just buddying with him right now

You might as well ask for a mass claim while you're at it too. Subtle I must admit. Not sure about buddying, I'm stating my beliefs on this topic.
Lazy formatting by me.
Two_old
the way in which he is stubborn is always anti-town

ladysuburu hosted wwg and knows this first hand

I don't care if you roleclaim or not, I'm just saying that nothing anyone says who hasn't roleclaimed really has any power behind it in my eyes -- it's much easier for you to be mafia than the people who have
adam2046
You've pretty much decided that my role has to be stubborn huh?
Two_old
bmin, rust, care to vote for adam?
foulcoon
vote: adam2046
Mara
DID I VOTE HIM ALREADY?
Mara
ALSO
Two_old
I don't think you did
Rantai

Two wrote:

I don't care if you roleclaim or not, I'm just saying that nothing anyone says who hasn't roleclaimed really has any power behind it in my eyes -- it's much easier for you to be mafia than the people who have
So what difference does my vote make to you?

I wouldn't worry too much, you'll get your votes from everyone else. I'm just curious who will jump on without a thought.
Two_old
I think the thinkers are who will be jumping on
Chris_old

vote: adam2046
vote2: adam2046
adam2046
I think Two will get a good laugh out of my role.
Rantai
The thinkers: "I think I will follow whatever Two says"

:P
Chris_old
there is a lot of resistance against this lynch

I wonder why
Two_old

Rantai wrote:

The thinkers: "I think I will actually read what Two says"
adam2046

Chris wrote:

there is a lot of resistance against this lynch

I wonder why
Because I'm a pretty cool guy.
adam2046

Two wrote:

Rantai wrote:

The thinkers: "I think I will actually read what Two says"
You and I already know nobody really reads what you say.
bmin11
How about we just mass claim if we are going to do this?
Two_old
I would appreciate a vote on adam before anything bmin
Chris_old
i will never roleclaim
Two_old
lol
bmin11

Chris wrote:

i will never roleclaim
Weren't you a double voter?
Backfire
This is just dumb dadumb dumb dumb.
adam2046

Backfire wrote:

This is just dumb dadumb dumb dumb.
I agree, everyone vote Backfire.
rust45

Two wrote:

bmin, rust, care to vote for adam?
Just got done reading.

Anyway, it seems a lot of people just want to kill someone, and I can't say I disagree considering how many posts we've gotten in this thread in day one alone. But I don't quite get the argument against adam, you're saying his role is stubborn because he tends to be stubborn. Correct? Regardless, I don't see the logic in this. I won't argue that adam tends to be stubborn, and I also think that behavior like that can be mafia. But the fact that his first post was like that really seems like it wouldn't be scum at all.

And ugh, if this post doesn't make sense, it's probably because it's almost midnight and I had a long day. I will probably be going to sleep after posting this.
Two_old
no I'm saying his role is anti town because he plays anti town

rantai is the one throwing stubborn around and I'm just trying to make what I say relatable to them
Backfire
Do it, im town and pretty much confirmed from my convo with mara.
Just mislynch me if you honestly think its a better idea.
adam2046
It totally is.
Trust me.
Two_old
also

rust45 wrote:

But the fact that his first post was like that really seems like it wouldn't be scum at all.
you get that that wasn't really his ability/himself posting right? I made him say that
adam2046
That's not a joke btw.
adam2046

Two wrote:

no I'm saying his role is anti town because he plays anti two
Two_old
anti two is lybydose, dear adam
Backfire
I honestly think it would be a horrible idea to lynch me.
Why?
Well, we know im town, I have the potential to get very valuable data, as already shown by the LS event pm and am fairly active and add to the conversation.

Lynching me should be low on the list.
Two_old
backfire you need to stop responding to that
Backfire
Im sorry ;-;
Mara
OK TWO

VOTE: ADAM

AMEN
adam2046

Backfire wrote:

I honestly think it would be a horrible idea to lynch me.
Why?
Well, we know im town, I have the potential to get very valuable data, as already shown by the LS event pm and am fairly active and add to the conversation.

Lynching me should be low on the list.
We know for a fact that you're town?
Oh, I must have missed the page where someone confirmed you.

Guys, I just got a PM from LS. It said backfire is mafia and that I'm 100% innocent.
Backfire
I want to say one thing
The LS pm and my confirmation werent the same thing.
adam2046
link
Rantai
If you made him do that why did you incriminate animask?

Then again I guess you just used that to confirm your role, nevermind.

Which brings me to my next thought. How is you being able to force anyone to say whatever you want a good thing for town?

Other than you are the almighty farseer of town.

(@Two, of course)
Two_old
I didn't use it to confirm my role. The idea was to use someone who was likely mafia as a puppet to hunt down other mafia, then cut the cord to incriminate him. Here is what I had planned for day 2 after I'd sent day 1 (I didn't want to keep lunaticmara around at this point):

"A force threatens this town once more. I will tell you flat out, to even the score.

NWPCVKEOCTC

From glyph hop once, hop twice due east, some would say. To find the answer you have only this day.

Roleclaim - Possessed Channeler (Sphinx)"
Rantai
Ahh now I understand.
Two_old
vote for adam now? :o
adam2046
I don't really get it, there's no restriction saying I can't just tell everyone I'm being forced to say something.
Two_old
and? I took care of that by making it possession
adam2046
So you think that town would just follow along with information from nowhere or some-yeah they probably would...
Rantai
I'll compromise. I'll vote for him if he hasn't been hammered, tomorrow.

Only because I feel slightly more comfortable about you atm.

Edit: english
Two_old
rantai there is a reason why I'd like him lynched today

please assist me
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