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NoHitter
It was because I was busy on the other thread rereading it.
And before you start voting me, at least wait for both Mara and adam to speak.
Two_old
I'd rather we just lynched you asap so the more malleable don't get confused
NoHitter
So basically you want to lynch someone without hearing their side of the story?
Anyway, I have little else to say until Mara and/or adam confirms that something did happen to them.
Two_old
you refuse to tell your side of the story

"I do not want to claim my role yet"
Kokizi

JInxyjem wrote:

So what have you gotten from reading this thread, Kokizi?
nothing but confusion.

this is also my first time to play on such a large setup + very different roles, and it's been months since I last played my mafia game. So I apologize if I do very little to help you guys out.

also,
unvote
Two_old

Kokizi wrote:

So I apologize if I do very little to help you guys out.
you can start by voting for nohitter
adam2046
I can confirm something happened.
I can't confirm that you're not guilty.

Although that would explain why you were interested in what my power does.
Two_old
and again you have no vote adam
adam2046

Two wrote:

and again you have no vote adam
I'm voting for KRZY aren't I?
Two_old
so you don't think someone getting a guilty result on him and, according to you, it making sense for him to be guilty is grounds for you to unvote krzy?
NoHitter
@adam
There should be a key word in my previous post discussing your role.
It should have been posted there before that something happened to you.
Does it match what happened?

Two wrote:

you refuse to tell your side of the story

"I do not want to claim my role yet"
Claiming != Telling your side of the story.
Right now, I think it would be better if I didn't divulge my role.
Thus I am verifying my story through the actions I did. (namely adam and LunaticMara)
adam2046

Two wrote:

so you don't think someone getting a guilty result on him and, according to you, it making sense for him to be guilty is grounds for you to unvote krzy?
I think that's a misunderstanding. I said I can't confirm that he's not guilty, not that he's guilty.
Two_old
if you're trying to verify your alignment through your actions, you're going to be roleclaiming in that way too
Two_old

adam2046 wrote:

Two wrote:

so you don't think someone getting a guilty result on him and, according to you, it making sense for him to be guilty is grounds for you to unvote krzy?
I think that's a misunderstanding. I said I can't confirm that he's not guilty, not that he's guilty.

adam2046 wrote:

Although that would explain why you were interested in what my power does.
NoHitter

Two wrote:

if you're trying to verify your alignment through your actions, you're going to be roleclaiming in that way too
adam hasn't revealed what exactly happened to him yet, but I'm sure it affected him positively.
IDK if Mara will spill the beans or not.
If that happens then there's nothing I can do, since I already hinted at what I did.
As of now though, it would be better in my opinion, if I did not claim my exact role.
Two_old
you just claimed motivator so why are you being swiftwolf #3
adam2046

adam2046 wrote:

Although that would explain why you were interested in what my power does.
This was referring to his post and not the line before it.
It's not ...whatever I can't explain it properly, the point is that I don't know if NoHItter is good or evil just by the use of his power.

NoHItter wrote:

There should be a key word in my previous post discussing your role.
It should have been posted there before that something happened to you.
Does it match what happened?
This however makes absolutely no sense to me though.
NoHitter
Do you really think it was wise to bring out part of my role like that Two?
Anyway, there are some other hidden aspects to my role. That's why I don't want to claim fully yet.
Two_old
I didn't bring anything out, that's what I'm trying to tell you. You are roleclaiming it yourself and acting cryptic at the same time for no reason. Since it's from you and not swiftwolf, I can only draw the conclusion that you're trying to earn town points from people less perceptive.
NoHitter
Or it would be more advantageous for town if I don't claim my role fully.
adam2046
Anyway, although I still think that him fishing for my role was suspicious, I find Mashley and KRZY more suspicious as I think the mafia would perceive Mara as a threat.

NoHItter basically you've already claimed Motivator/Demotivator and I still have no idea what secret crap you're talking about.
Two_old

Two wrote:

You are roleclaiming it yourself and acting cryptic at the same time for no reason
don't try to tell me that you are being needlessly cryptic about being a motivator while at the same time making it obvious to anyone who can read that you are a motivator, with the reason being that you don't want to reveal the details of your role that don't involve motivation

it makes no sense at all
NoHitter
I can Motivate/Demotivate, but I can do something else.
If I claimed Motivator/Demotivator, you would it contradictory what may happen some time later.
On the other hand, if I claimed my role fully, it would be bad for town.

Happy now?
Two_old
no I will be happy when a demotivator who got a guilty result gets lynched
MDuh
I'm not being active in posting here I don not have any constructive thing to say. I may be a nuisance with all the arguments
Right now I'm just lurking and I'm confirming if that one person roleclaim is true
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Actually, to be honest, I don't think being demotivated would be helpful to the one that got targeted at all. Instead of getting a proper result (like, doctor protecting someone), they get a poor result (having the doctor not be able to protect/accidentally kill their target).
Two_old

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Actually, to be honest, I don't think being demotivated would be helpful to the one that got targeted at all. Instead of getting a proper result (like, doctor protecting someone), they get a poor result (having the doctor not be able to protect/accidentally kill their target).
...............
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
...What? Did I say something wrong again?
Wojjan
this game is bullshit
Vote: NoHItter
this game is bullshit
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
...Oh wait, I did the "DUH, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS" thing again, didn't I?
Two_old
no you did the "talking about something that was never brought up" without quoting what you were responding to thing
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Two wrote:

was never brought up

NoHItter wrote:

I can Motivate/Demotivate, but I can do something else.
If I claimed Motivator/Demotivator, you would it contradictory what may happen some time later.
On the other hand, if I claimed my role fully, it would be bad for town.

Happy now?
You were saying?
Wojjan
wooooooow anti town roles are bad for you
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
And more stuff that even you wrote:

Two wrote:

no I will be happy when a demotivator who got a guilty result gets lynched
Backfire
Hi, I feel like Nohitter isn't guilty.
Even after the whole mara thing, I'm just not convinced.
Please don't mistake me trying to stick up for him.
I'm just saying at the moment, I feel like we shouldn't completely rely on what Mara says. Like I said, we don't know for sure if he's town completely. We're just going on the fact that he was MAYBE right ONE time.
Wojjan
hi rust hi backfire
Wojjan

Backfire wrote:

Please don't mistake me trying to stick up for him.
oh okay so you're not defending him
okay then voote him I guess
Backfire
Hey. Im in spanish so I got an oppurtunity to post.
Two_old
I'm trying to tell you that no one talked about demotivation being helpful. It's obviously only helpful if you use it on the opposing faction, whatever that may be.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
*cough* You do realize you're talking to an outside player?
Two_old

Backfire wrote:

I'm just saying at the moment, I feel like we shouldn't completely rely on what Mara says. Like I said, we don't know for sure if he's town completely. We're just going on the fact that he was MAYBE right ONE time.
we're going off of what ladysuburu, the host, said
Backfire
Im not defending him but I still don't think he's guilty.
There wouldn't be harm in taking a risk though, I guess...
Vote : NoHitter
I guess voting WOULD seed out mara if he was telling the truth, yeah?
That makes sense.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Two wrote:

I'm trying to tell you that no one talked about demotivation being helpful. It's obviously only helpful if you use it on the opposing faction, whatever that may be.
He did say he's a motivator/demotivator, which is half-half. (Minus the additional role(s) he may have)

Also, my last post was directed to Backfire.
Backfire
Yes but suburu could be fucking with us.
The whole time this game has been fucking with us, dude.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
LS is known to throw in a bunch of bastard mod stuff at us.
adam2046
There's always the possibility that Mara can get whatever result he wants on a person. I think this is unlikely though because of the result he supposedly got on me which still doesn't make sense to me.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
...He got a result on you?
Two_old
don't forget that this is day 1

the chances of lynching mafia are astronomically low, so why is anyone discounting a guilty result delivered by the host?
adam2046

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

...He got a result on you?

LunaticMara wrote:

WHO IS THIS ADAM AND WHAT HE DOES?

THAT'S A QUESTION WE SHALL SEEK FROM THE GODS!

I SENSE HUGE AMOUNT OF GOOD AURA FROM ADAM, BUT ALSO HORRIBLE, EVIL AURA. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN, CHILDREN?

I NEED TO GET THE AMULET OF LIGHT.
lrn2r
NoHitter

Two wrote:

I'm trying to tell you that no one talked about demotivation being helpful. It's obviously only helpful if you use it on the opposing faction, whatever that may be.
So how exactly is demotivation bad then if it's helpful when I target anti-town?
Plus I also got a motivation, which I used on adam.

Tell me Two (and the rest of you who are voting me) do you really believe that I'm anti-town?
Backfire
Because the result seems too convenient.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

adam2046 wrote:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

...He got a result on you?

LunaticMara wrote:

WHO IS THIS ADAM AND WHAT HE DOES?

THAT'S A QUESTION WE SHALL SEEK FROM THE GODS!

I SENSE HUGE AMOUNT OF GOOD AURA FROM ADAM, BUT ALSO HORRIBLE, EVIL AURA. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN, CHILDREN?

I NEED TO GET THE AMULET OF LIGHT.
lrn2r
..oh right. You're apparently a flip-flop for him.
NoHitter
Ninja'd
Well, if you really want to believe in a faulty cop result then I can't stop you, but at least let Mara post first.
Remember: It was not Mara who posted it but LS.
Usually the mod never declares the cop result.
Backfire
NoHitter
I stated that I do not think you are anti-town.
But it is in our best interests to take the risk since we were told you were guilty.
Two_old

NoHItter wrote:

Tell me Two (and the rest of you who are voting me) do you really believe that I'm anti-town?
frankly I don't care

a town demotivator can screw over town just as much as mafia can, much like a vigilante

the fact that someone got a guilty result on you just makes it horrible to keep you alive

if we don't lynch you, we are pretty much lynching blind anyway and could get rid of a role much more useful than yours
Backfire
Plus, I'm pretty sure I can't convince them that this game is definatley never going to give us things outright, so I think the whole guilty thing is bullshit.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
The interesting part is the fact that when Salvage died, he flipped "Mafia? Follower" which could mean that he wasn't even a part of the mafia at all.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Two wrote:

the fact that someone got a guilty result on you just makes it horrible to keep you alive
Not unless they're insane/paranoid, which can be possible.
rust45

Wojjan wrote:

hi rust hi backfire
I was reading thank you.

About Mara's "investigation" on Hitter, he did state earlier that he needed the amulet of light in order to sense "auras" properly. We know he doesn't have the amulet of light so we don't even know if we can trust the investigation. While Hitter being cryptic about his role does bug me, I don't think there's a reason to jump on him unless we have solid evidence on him.

Dammit, I hit preview and now there's way too much to respond to, and if I don't leave now, I'm going to be late. Sorry guys, I'll have to jump back in after school.
Backfire
But anyways, still voting NoHitter.
Im sorry. ;w;
Two_old
if you want to argue for lunaticmara being insane/paranoid, that's all the more reason to want nohitter lynched
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Rust: That's what happens when you play in an active game.
Backfire

Two wrote:

if you want to argue for lunaticmara being insane/paranoid, that's all the more reason to want nohitter lynched
Thats exactly what I said.
Lynching NoHitter would PROVE if Mara is just being retarded.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Two wrote:

if you want to argue for lunaticmara being insane/paranoid, that's all the more reason to want nohitter lynched
Actually, it's not. If he is in fact insane/paranoid, then NH would turn out to be town, not scum.
Two_old

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Two wrote:

if you want to argue for lunaticmara being insane/paranoid, that's all the more reason to want nohitter lynched
Actually, it's not. If he is in fact insane/paranoid, then NH would turn out to be town, not scum.
that is the point
NoHitter
Two, you are forgetting that my role is not restricted just to that of a motivator/demotivator.
If you do lynch me, you get rid of only one set of abilities I can do.

And let me remind that it wasn't Mara who posted it.
At least let the "cop" confirm first before you start placing me on the chopping table.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Then again, it could be another one of those "Mafia?" results, causing us to get even MORE confused than before.
Two_old
so now are you claiming judas or restless spirit or what
NoHitter
Ninja'd
The problem is that a test lynch on me would waste what other abilities I have.
NoHitter
Ninja'd again :/
I'm neither Judas nor Restless Spirit.
I may have other abilities which could be useful to town, but if you lynch me, you lose them.
Two_old
if lynching you confirms you town and lunaticmara paranoid/insane and keeps you in the game, I'm not seeing the reason behind your opposition to your death
NoHitter
The first ninja'd post wasn't a response to your "Judas/Reckless Spirit" post.
Two_old
I know
NoHitter
Then you should know that when I get lynched, I die and can't use my abilities anymore.
NoHitter
Those abilities may be better than the act of confirming if Mara is paranoid or not.
Backfire
Ok, What are your abilities?
:l
Backfire
...Ok.

Game-changing shit right here.
Mara is insane.
NoHitter is innocent.

Unvote
Backfire
Mod
Can we get a vote count up in this biznitch?
Mashley

Lilac wrote:

since Mashley isn't independent, there's no way in hell he's town with that little posting.
Actually I'm posting quite frequently in the time I have, but I don't have huge amounts of time to post. I get this every game, it's ridiculous.
Vote NoHItter. The guilty result is at least something to go on here, which we don't have for anyone else and the fact that he hopped on that KRZY bandwagon makes him all the more suspicious. His claims that it is beneficial to town for him not to reveal his role are really scummy Okay and now I saw Backfire's post. Are you a day investigative or something?
Two_old

Backfire wrote:

...Ok.

Game-changing shit right here.
Mara is insane.
NoHitter is innocent.

Unvote
hey guys I used this ability that I can't tell you about on backfire

they're guilty

why can't I tell you about it even though I just told you what it was? BECAUSE I LIKE DRAMA
Rantai

Backfire wrote:

...Ok.

Game-changing shit right here.
Mara is insane.
NoHitter is innocent.

Unvote
What exactly happened?
NoHitter
You know what I'm just gonna full claim to get this over with, because:
a) Only a couple of you guys believed me.
b) I'm afraid that when I go to sleep and get home the next day, I'll be dead because majority of the discussion usually happens when I'm away.
c) Even if I die overnight, it's better than being lynched uselessly.

I can ask LS a question everyday. Since I ask a lot of questions to get the game moving.
Depending on the question I ask, I get an ability. I can only do this once per day.
For instance, I asked about overpowered roles that LS gave. I got a one-shot Motivator/Demotivator which I just used on adam and Mara respectively.

Now can we please NOT lynch me, and look for someone else?
Alternatively, lynch me and prove Mara's sanity? (which he himself hasn't confirmed)
NoHitter
Also Two, I hope you're happy.
You just ruined the game for me.
Then again you did it with Lybydose too, didn't you?

Edit: And please don't bother replying to this. (It was meant to be rhetorical FYI)

Good night guys.
0_o
That seems legit.

unvote NoHItter

I wouldn't say Mara is insane (in mafia terms at least), but that we can't take all of his results/sayings/whatever it is he does at face value.
Rantai
Unvote

I believe that.
Two_old
well then, unvote, vote KRZY
KRZY
I gave my fair reason to vote for Mara. About 200 people jumped on my bandwagon without saying a thing. Why are you voting for me now?
Two_old
people seem to think you're mafia

you also don't post a lot
KRZY
Also so much shit going on. How did adam/Mara get motivated/demotivated? I mean, I know NoHItter did, but what effect has it brought? I read but can't tell.
0_o

KRZY wrote:

Also so much shit going on. How did adam/Mara get motivated/demotivated? I mean, I know NoHItter did, but what effect has it brought? I read but can't tell.
We haven't been told.
KRZY
AND for the hundredth time: not posting a lot =/= scummy. Picking me out for not posting a lot doesn't even make sense, right now I would be much, much more suspicious of Kokizi, only post he made was a bandwagon on me
Two_old

KRZY wrote:

AND for the hundredth time: not posting a lot =/= scummy.
wrong

if you leave town to themselves, they will tear each other apart

it's the easiest and most effective strategy day 1 for mafia in any game
Two_old
I'm willing to lynch: 0_o, Lilac, KRZY, Kokizi, MDuh, or JInxyjem at this point. If we don't lynch you we have to orchestrate who you hide behind.
KRZY
Well then please tell me how I have been inactive compared to my normal posting rate in this game.

I haven't been.

Anyways, I'm glad we're not lynching NoHItter, I've been saying this whole Mara event is bullshit and we should notice that it is not LS who is saying NoHItter, but Mara. LS is merely..well..relaying the message.

Backfire wrote:

...Ok.

Game-changing shit right here.
Mara is insane.
NoHitter is innocent.

Unvote
Don't know how he got this result, but it is plausible. What NoHItter claimed also makes sense, although I don't see why he took so long to claim when he was facing a lynch. "I have other abilities, don't lynch me" hardly saves you from lynches afaik.

As long as we are taking Mara's results with a grain of salt and moving away from him to focus on others in this game, I have no problem with Mara being alive.

Unvote
KRZY
And if I were anyone but myself, I would start looking at who had jumped on the KRZY bandwagon without saying anything. But then, I am KRZY, so it probably looks funny when I do that.
Two_old
based on the logic behind the role you were given KRZY, what roles do you think were given to these people: 0_o, Lilac, Kokizi, MDuh, JInxyjem
Backfire
No.
I'm not a day investigater, I told you guys, I get random shit.
I was give a pm by LS where Mara was talking to himself and he didnt notice me.
It more or less went Mara: "Hey mara, dude, wake up"
Mara : "Huh what"
Mara : "Man, you're crazy".
Something along that lines.

Obviously he's getting guilty reads from anyone, since he is not sane.

SO

I guess mara is a Psycho Cop (Or whatever they call the cop who gets guilty reads on everyone) Day Vig with a post restriction, most likely sided with a cult or mafia.
Rantai
Paranoid cop -- aligned mafia.

Makes absolutely no sense. Paranoid cop does though, but is completely useless.

Edit: Alright then so Mara is just a paranoid day vig? Or if he was a day JOAT then he actually is nothing?
Backfire
Im just speculating.

Does anything make sense at this point, dearest Rantai?
0_o

Backfire wrote:

I guess mara is a Psycho Cop (Or whatever they call the cop who gets guilty reads on everyone) Day Vig with a post restriction, most likely sided with a cult or mafia.
A cop that gets guilty/not guilty results makes pretty much zero sense for mafia, and someone who has to draw that much attention to themselves AS WELL as not giving accurate results would be pretty much impossible to win with if he's a third party.
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