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True Lovers Mafia - (Endgame: TOWN WINS!)

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Topic Starter
Lilac
People are sick of Closed Setups. I am, so whoever opposes. I don't care.

I'm sure you all know this by now but let's play the first ever osu! True Lovers Mafia. For those of you who don't know it's been proven that this mafia setup is a 50% chance of either faction winning. This is proven by this simple formula.

"Courtesy of Mafiascum.net"
*Let S be scum pairings and
*Let Pa be total pairings

P(Town win) = 1 - S/Pa = (Pa-S)/Pa

If given the reverse.

P(Mafia win) = S/Pa

Base Case: Given a 1 - 1 LyLo (two pairs of Lovers, one of which has scum in it), the chance that Town will win is the chance of lynching a member of the scum pair, or 1/2.

This is 1 - 1/2 = 1/2.

Given that the rule holds for S scum and PA players, it is necessary to show that it holds for S scum and PA+1.
P(Town win,S,PA+1) = (S/(Pa+1))(P(Town win,S-1,Pa)) + ((Pa+1-S)/(Pa+1))(P(Town win,S,Pa))
=(S/(Pa+1))(Pa-(S-1))/(Pa) + ((Pa+1-S)/(Pa+1))((Pa-S)/Pa)
=(SPa - S2 + S + Pa2 - SPa + Pa - S - SPa + S2)/(Pa(Pa+1))
=(Pa2 + Pa - SPa)/(Pa(Pa+1))
=(Pa+1-S)/(Pa+1)

...which is precisely the original formula, with (Pa+1) swapped in for Pa. Thus completes the proof.

Letting P(Town win) = 1/2), this means:

1/2 = (Pa-S)/Pa
Pa/2 = Pa - S
S = Pa/2

Hence, this setup has a 50% chance of either side winning.

There are few things we need to clarify first.

Rules:
  1. All former rules that applied in LS games are said hard rules. A violation of them, however, will end with the game to be terminated as it will not prove the above rule correctly. I will also make sure that it is enforced that you will not be able to play ANY games of osu! Mafia for a pretty long time. I mean it.
  2. This is an Open Setup game. It will consist of 2 Mafia Lovers and 6 Town Lovers. Lovers are divided into four pairs. Both scum are individually paired with a town player.
  3. This is a Nightless setup. There is no night phase so there is no fear that town will be killed at night. However, I'll will give a certain time break once day ends. This may range from an hour to a day.
  4. Mafia will get a QuickTopic with both of them and Lovers will get a QuickTopic. Also Town Lovers will not know their Lovers alignment.
Role PMs:

Mafia Lover

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Lover, along with your mafia partner, [Player Name]. You are also a Lover with [Player Name].

Abilities:

Factional communication: At any time during the game you may talk with your partner here [QuickTopic link].
Lover's Angst: If you or your Lover partner is lynched at any point in the game, the other will automatically suicide.
Lover chat: You may talk anytime during the game with your Lover here [Quicktopic link].

Win condition:

You win when you control 50% of the town.
Town Lover

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Lover.

Abilities:

Lover's Angst: If you or your Lover partner is lynched at any point in the game, the other will automatically suicide.
You do not know your partner's alignment.
Lover chat: You may talk anytime during the game with your Lover here [Quicktopic link].

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Players:

  1. LunaticMara
  2. FisHie - Revenged killed D2.
  3. JInxyjem - Lynched D1.
  4. Rantai
  5. Backfire
  6. KRZY - Lynched D3.
  7. animask - Lynched D2.
  8. DeathxShinigami - Suicide D1.
Links:

Day 1 Start!
Night 1 / Day 2 Start!
Night 2 Start!
Day 3 Start!

Notes:

Oh right, to also prevent bias, I will not be the person who will allocate the roles. It will be my brother who doesn't know anyone here or what Mafia is. It will be chosen by the order of which you signup, the number will then be taken and I will say "Choose two numbers who will be Mafia." The Mafia and Town Lovers will be linked together by whatever number he decides to link together.
Mara
in
FisHie_old
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Jinxy
So if your lover is an opposing faction, only one of you can win and the other is destined to lose?
And mafia only wins if every other town pairing dies?

But that's not relevant because /in
Topic Starter
Lilac
Mafia wins by controlling 50% of the votes.

As Town, sometimes you have to sacrifice yourself for the greater good.
Jinxy
Could you guys like make your avatars more easily identified?

Maybe make one upside-down or some thing
Mara
Don't copy us. KTHX
Rantai
Mmk.

Sure why not.
FisHie_old
We've got half of the players now.
Backfire
I wanna play.
KRZY
in
Sleep Powder
/in
DeathxShinigami
Am I allowed to play again? Or am I still banned?
Wojjan
sure

also dxs please play when you're joining
Topic Starter
Lilac
From now.

A bit earlier than planned but oh well!
DeathxShinigami
Yeah, confirm.
Backfire
Confirm.
Rantai
Confirm
Topic Starter
Lilac
Ehh, 3 out of 8 confirmed, we can start.

Psyche!
Jinxy
4th
KRZY
confirm
Mara
cönfirmz
FisHie_old
Confirm
Topic Starter
Lilac
Well, 7 out of 8...Ehh, animask will be replaced in 24 hours if he hasn't replied. Just saying.

Day 1

"Kyaa~" Lily said as she got up. From that, she decided to open the curtains of her room to find 4 Lover pairs out there, talking with each other.

From this, she kinda sobbed a bit from seeing all those people outside being all happy and loving each other. They would do anything for each other and even die for each other. From her previous experience, she knows that no-one will ever love her. It's okay though, she decided to suck it up...after she went back to bed and start welling out tears.

Outside

Everyone was arguing against each other, people were throwing wild accusations of the double murder that took place last night. They were both lovers as well and from their deaths, they were killed by two separate people.

"You were the one who killed them!"

"No, you were."

"You both don't even have proof to back up those accusations..."

"...C-Can we stop fighting, please? T_T"

You know that someone here is killing people and doing it for a reason. With that in mind, you all decided that those two people needed to be stopped. It's Day 1. It takes 5 to hammer or 5 to no lynch.
Jinxy
ogod
Ok then.
Rantai
May I ask the reason of a no lynch?

I can't see any use for it o.o
Topic Starter
Lilac
Previous Lovers Mafia have had this option. I don't see why I should leave it out.
Rantai
Mmk then.
DeathxShinigami
Vote: LunaticMara

There's no way he could be lovers with fishie therefore we possibly found out a pairing.
Jinxy
I wonder if we can no-lynch to this.

...
...
SECRET WIN CONDITION?
Sleep Powder
Confirmed.

A no-lynch seems like a good idea since nobody can really die other than being voted for. Then again, extended discussion greatly benefits both town and mafia in this kind of game. Mafia will potentially be trying to protect 2 more people than usual. The townie lover that dies with the mafia lover will also be considered mafia. The mafia could easily redirect attention by trying to protect someone who isn't their partner. Mafia have the ability to--- can the mafia claim who their lovers are in their quick topic? If so, they should be able to know who else they need to be protecting. Can the town claim who their lover is? Probably not... for both town and mafia.
Jinxy

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Vote: LunaticMara

There's no way he could be lovers with fishie therefore we possibly found out a pairing.
I...wat

Could you like explain this?
Sleep Powder

JInxyjem wrote:

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Vote: LunaticMara

There's no way he could be lovers with fishie therefore we possibly found out a pairing.
I...wat

Could you like explain this?
He means that LunaticMara is definitely not lovers with fishie. It is not a pairing.
Jinxy
I see, but then why would he "find out a pairing"? Everyone has a pairing, mara is not with fishie (I don't know how he came to this conclusion), so... what does that prove?
Mara
That is correct. I'm not a lover with FisHie. I can blame Lilac's brother for this.

FisHie, let's beat his brother up. I'm just sayin'.
Topic Starter
Lilac
Oh, pardon me guys.

It will take 50% to No Lynch but it's still 51% to lynch someone. It's because it pains me to see someone die quickly. This will not be changed throughout the game. This means that it now takes 4 to No Lynch.
Sleep Powder
I'm guessing standard Lovers rules apply, so we can't claim who our lover is. But we can claim who isn't? DxS has no idea what he is saying.
The only possible "pairing" that we can see from this is that DxS is partners with Mara.
FisHie_old
Mara, why have you forsaken me!? :'(
Sleep Powder
or fishie.
Mara

FisHie wrote:

Mara, why have you forsaken me!? :'(
Sorry, but my new lover is better on bed than you.

;___;
Mara
Also, eww DxS.
FisHie_old
Pomf.

Lilac, is it possible for the mafia to be lovers with each other ?
Sleep Powder

FisHie wrote:

Pomf.

Lilac, is it possible for the mafia to be lovers with each other ?
Both scum are individually paired with a town player.
FisHie_old
I guess not, that would've been funny though.. :D
Topic Starter
Lilac


Straight from Mafia Forums.
Sleep Powder
Are threesomes allowed? 8-)
FisHie_old
Lilac can join my harem kthx
Mara

animask wrote:

Are threesomes allowed? 8-)
Let's have a orgy instead.
Rantai
:3
FisHie_old
So... What do we do now ?
Topic Starter
Lilac

animask wrote:

Are threesomes allowed? 8-)
Don't cheat on your lovers.

Also, you are allowed to claim who you are partnered with...why the hell would I stop you? Just because pieguy restricted you in Touhou? Dude, everyone is a lover...

So let me roleclaim.

Roleclaim: Lover.
Topic Starter
Lilac
EBWOP: Lover with mm201.
Mara
Roleclaim: uguu
DeathxShinigami
Unvote
Yeah I have no idea what I was saying.




No lynch anyone?
Mara
No lynch doesn't make any sense to me, but it doesn't hurt us at all since there are no nightkills.
Topic Starter
Lilac
Oh yes. Day ends in 2 days, so start discussing with each other before voting No Lynch. ^_^;
Sleep Powder
Vote: DxS
Rantai
Vote: animask

Too hasty.
FisHie_old
Vote: Rantai

I want to vote too. :o
Mara
Let me join too, let me join too!

COMBO GO

Vote: Rantai
Sleep Powder
unvote, vote: animask
Jinxy
Vote: LunaticMara

You were supposed to vote FisHie for the combo.
Mara
fucking FisHie ninja

Vote: FisHie
Jinxy
what the hell are we doing
Sleep Powder
Oh, we should vote for Fishie.

unvote, Vote: Fishie
Mara
Lovers gonna love

Voters gonna vote
FisHie_old
Combo breaker.
Mara
Vote: JInxyjem

CHOO CHOO!
Topic Starter
Lilac
Votecount D1 #1

FisHie (1) - animask
Rantai (1) - FisHie
LunaticMara (1) - JInxyjem
JInxyjem (1) - LunaticMara
animask (1) - Rantai
Backfire (0)
KRZY (0)
DeathxShinigami (0)


Damnit, stop changing your votes that quickly.
FisHie_old
Unvote
and..
Vote: Backfire
You can have one vote too. :)
Rantai
The host is trying to suppress activity.
Topic Starter
Lilac
Activity? You don't know the meaning of activity, Rantai.
Rantai
D:
Mara
DUN DUN DUUU
Topic Starter
Lilac
I-I'm sorry, Rantai! I-I didn't know that you'd be that offend by it... T_T
Sleep Powder
DxS is probably partners with Mara.

Mara and fishie are all over the place.

Jinx is kind of suspicious for saying that Mara was supposed to bandwagon FisHie.

I'm being reckless and active, because everyone potentially could have a mafia lover.
Sleep Powder
Random voting occurred between Jinx, Mara, Fishie, I and somewhat DxS so far. You are allowed to claim who your lover is. That summarizes it so far.
Rantai
And I happen to only be insulted by the host.

Nah just kidding :3
Topic Starter
Lilac

animask wrote:

Random voting occurred between Jinx, Mara, Fishie, me and somewhat DxS.
It's "I" not "me". My God people, do you know the difference between Nominative and Accusative case? Sheesh.
Topic Starter
Lilac
Actually, I think it's technically dative if we were to go back to German roots and "me" is acceptable, but... Is "Random Voting" really the subject of the sentence?
Rantai
Your very talking for a host. I hope your doing this for the sake of giggles.

On topic: Not sure what them claiming who their lover is, is going to achieve.
Topic Starter
Lilac

Rantai wrote:

Your very talking for a host. I hope your doing this for the sake of giggles.
Must suppress urges....to modkill....
Rantai
Hehe.
Mara
SHOOT THE LASER, LILAC!
Mara
OR EVEN BETTER, FIRE!
Jinxy
Mara
Sleep Powder
tl;dr version (not really)

Mafia will ask partner for lover info.
Mafia may try to direct attention and try to defend someone who isn't their partner to get them lynched.
Town can use info to find out who is not also targeting their own partner or other kinds of info.
If mafia partners stay distant, this wouldn't apply, but they will be forced to know their partners name and lover if we claim.
Rantai

animask wrote:

If mafia partners stay distant, this wouldn't apply, but they will be forced to know their partners name and lover if we claim.
I might be slow, re-iterate that one for me please.
Jinxy
They know their partner, so if any one of the two reveals his lover, the other can make the connection.
Mara
Someone is raping me. This someone also stole my Coca-Cola.

Oh wait, wrong thread.
Rantai
Ahh yes I get it now.

Carry on.
Backfire
Hello everyone, I was sleeping. How are you all? c:
FisHie_old
Hi Backfire, good morning. o/
Jinxy

Backfire wrote:

Hello everyone, I was sleeping. How are you all? c:
We are all insane fine, how are you?
Backfire
Morning. So I see I didnt wake up to 30 pages. That made me happy.
FisHie_old
People were random voting here earlier.
I gave you one vote so that you wouldn't feel left out.
Backfire
I noticed. Thank you c:
Wojjan
can I replace DxS yet
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