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peppy
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I don't recall the Bikko situation exactly, but that was a very special case.

Edit after KRZY's info: Since then I have been a lot more careful with bans and in such cases I will first make sure they are not, for instance, using a touchscreen. I did regret that call, but did everything I could to restore Bikko's account to the previous state.
Heatherfield
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Heatherfield
Um, i just wanna know, many people think that you can't detect some certain measures of cheating, like using two computers and one tablet and keyboard to control them.
Is that true? And if it is, are we just going to leave them doing whatever they want?
peppy
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There are obviously some methods of foul play which cannot be detected (without sitting next to the player and watching them play). In these cases, I do suggest you nicely request a video of their play to be uploaded to youtube for your own peace-of-mind. I unfortunately do not have the time to follow-up such cases, so will only act if they are confirmed beyond doubt to be cheating the system.
Azure_Kite
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Azure_Kite
It's pretty bad when you have to make an announcement about this kinda stuff...
Atmey
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Atmey
Are you looking at all scores or just the ones in the top 40?
Archangel Tirael
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Archangel Tirael
I am dont understand o English. If I try cheat, I have been baned
Thanks to ingame AC?
mekadon_old
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Atmey wrote:

Are you looking at all scores or just the ones in the top 40?
quite curious with this. But I think all scores regardless of top 40 or not.
Archangel Tirael
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Archangel Tirael
I am dont understand o English. If I try cheat, I have been baned
Thanks to ingame AC? To the point, I often failed on last hitcircle, when my computer, or network laging, when I played song. AC dont ban me? Sorry, for my bad english. :)
Azure_Kite
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Azure_Kite
You won't get banned due to things like network lag and timing inconsistencies where you miss the last note due to lag. It's quite a bit more in depth than that, I'd wager. Mainly because these things have NEVER affected me, and my system and internet connection were quite terrible.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Keep in note that before you report any replays, there is a Replay Glitch where the replay might miss a circle but the scores and records still show that it's a Full Combo.
Backfire
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Backfire
Thanks for this peppy. Now maybe we wont have to see a huge wave of bullshit when someone is cheating again.
Vext_old
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Vext_old
I love peppy's sense of humor when he edits posts, but 'ey pepster, out of curiosity what is currently the more notorious problem with this? I remember when flashlight exploit was big, is that still the case or is it more of a bot type thing now?
bomber34
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bomber34
I still don't get why people have to cheat?
what's the point?
:D I hope this Announcement helps ^^
totoco
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totoco

bomber34 wrote:

I still don't get why people have to cheat?
what's the point?
:D I hope this Announcement helps ^^
me too. What's the point in cheating? I found this game competitive. In a way of clear and legit play.
It's not interesting to beat weak or pro's with some programs or in'game bugg just to have a first place and show the world you've bet cookiezi or kanopu (or any other top player in their mods)

P.S. as for me, i'm to lame to be a cheater here :D And i can't record a "live" video of my play, because i play OSU on a stone. :(
Noob Man
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Noob Man

totoco wrote:

What's the point in cheating?
e-p**** ^^
Alo
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Alo
Is Using a tablet cheating?
Because im getting new laptop for christmas, and was thinking of getting tablet but if they are considered cheating then Nevermind
Vext_old
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Vext_old

GantzWaBerserk wrote:

Is Using a tablet cheating?
Because im getting new laptop for christmas, and was thinking of getting tablet but if they are considered cheating then Nevermind
No, a large majority of the community uses tablets, touch screens are also not cheating.
CapnDavid
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CapnDavid
I wonder why people cheat on playing this game anyway?
Bass
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Bass
They want to get some attention.
aston_old
aston_old
"False reports will be punished."
I hope you contact us before we get punished or something. I honestly think my reports are legit, though.
cococococo_old
cococococo_old
what's the point of cheating? is that so funny to play?
Dr Loliberg
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Dr Loliberg
so you admit that not EVERY ban was justified?
bomber34
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bomber34

Dr Loliberg wrote:

so you admit that not EVERY ban was justified?
Everyone can make mistakes or forget something :D
don't get mad ^^
Neuexter
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Neuexter
People cheat because people like making bots.
[BlinK]
[BlinK]
I don't see the point in cheating/hacking osu!, I mean, people should respect this game due to it was only created by one person (peppy) and obviously, he got some help from others. Give peppy a break, stop cheating and play fair. Go hack on Modern Warfare 2 or something xD.

Bass-chan wrote:

They want to get some attention.
Yeah, that could be a reason. They want everyone to see how "pro" they are.
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Galkan
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_-B l i n K-_ wrote:

I don't see the point in cheating/hacking osu!, I mean, people should respect this game due to it was only created by one person (peppy) and obviously, he got some help from others. Give peppy a break, stop cheating and play fair. Go hack on Modern Warfare 2 or something xD.
Cheating is lame no matter which game you are trying it in :|
But anyways yeah, it's lack of respect towards developers and players.
peppy
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I think a lot of people use cheating as their own little game, where they get enjoyment out of thinking they can live with different rules to everyone else. At the end of the day I only find it sad that they can't focus that kind of energy on a more positive goal.
OnosakiHito
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Um, I have a really importand question. Yeah this has been allready discussed before, but because of this it got into my mind again:

peppy wrote:

There are obviously some methods of foul play which cannot be detected (without sitting next to the player and watching them play). In these cases, I do suggest you nicely request a video of their play to be uploaded to youtube for your own peace-of-mind. I unfortunately do not have the time to follow-up such cases, so will only act if they are confirmed beyond doubt to be cheating the system.
First of all, this dose count also for Taiko and ctb, right? It may be a stupid question in some way, but beeing sure is better as not.
If yes, this would mean that I could ask some one in the Taiko community who is probably 'cheating', to show me how he is playing HD+FL without having a secon monitor, right?
But what if he dosen't want to show it? I mean, who would do it if he is really using a secon monitor?

Also, is it enough to show you a screen/Log about, how he is admit it light-minded? There are enough of this guys who do that.
peppy
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Admitting to cheating isn't enough alone to take action; some people have done this in the past even when not cheating, so it's not too useful. If they refuse the video idea, you could try petitioning with a group of people who would like to see the said video. If it is a case where you are 100% sure beyond doubt, you could send me a PM, but I can't guarantee I will have to time/resources to look into it.
OnosakiHito
osu!taiko Paragon
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OnosakiHito
Mh, I understand. Yeah that's true.
Okay, I know now more about it. Thank you for response.
Dellirium
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Dellirium

Heatherfield wrote:

using two computers and one tablet and keyboard to control them.
Is this cheating?

Can I use 2 computers, to FL taiko maps?
Azure_Kite
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Azure_Kite
As in, use two computers starting a beatmap at the same time, one with FL, one without?

Yeah. That's frowned upon. Technically cheating, but impossible to prove unless you log into both at the same time or something.
Ijah_old
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Azure_Kyte wrote:

As in, use two computers starting a beatmap at the same time, one with FL, one without?

Yeah. That's frowned upon. Technically cheating, but impossible to prove unless you log into both at the same time or something.
Load times and lag spikes will desync them and make it incredibly hard.
Ishmon
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Ishmon
How does one get banned on osu! for cheating? what is there replay almost like Osu! the bot or more efficient?
Espionage724
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Ijah wrote:

Azure_Kyte wrote:

As in, use two computers starting a beatmap at the same time, one with FL, one without?

Yeah. That's frowned upon. Technically cheating, but impossible to prove unless you log into both at the same time or something.
Load times and lag spikes will desync them and make it incredibly hard.
I don't get it :/, how would using 2 computers be beneficial at all to anyone?
Azure_Kite
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Azure_Kite
Do I have to spell it out?

It's not that hard to work out. Especially when there is Flashlight/Hidden Mod involved.
Dellirium
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Dellirium

Ijah wrote:

Azure_Kyte wrote:

As in, use two computers starting a beatmap at the same time, one with FL, one without?

Yeah. That's frowned upon. Technically cheating, but impossible to prove unless you log into both at the same time or something.
Load times and lag spikes will desync them and make it incredibly hard.
Still, you can hear music, but with second monitor you can easily see patterns.

Yeah. That's frowned upon. Technically cheating, but impossible to prove unless you log into both at the same time or something.
So If I show a video to someone, and he report me, I'll be banned?

Do I have to spell it out?

It's not that hard to work out. Especially when there is Flashlight/Hidden Mod involved.
Spell out any maps Bikko has played.
peppy
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You should not be using two monitors. If it isn't already obvious that this kind of thing is really unfair, then something is wrong.
Winshley
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For everyone who asked why people cheat: I think they only like winning. They take satisfaction by beating other players' score down to the ground. That's what the cheaters mean by "fun".

The other reason is, just like others said, that people likes to get attention.

Meh, I'll just shrug this out and move on anyway. No matter what the game developer do, there will always be cheaters. It's an unavoidable fact. ---.:|.---

I personally just play this game to have fun in an enjoyable way~ 8-)

(I do still have eyes on a player who used macro for spinners. I already reported him for 2 months without changes... :?)
peppy
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@Winshley: I totally agree, and for this reason do not go out of my way to combat cheating until it gets to the point that it affects the general community. Spending any more time on cheaters would just be a waste.
Yuzeyun
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To those who are wondering about FL+HD for Taiko...

I am personally TOTALLY AGAINST IT used as regular mods.

You'll ask why.

It kills the fun at getting #1s, it kills the challenge. It kills everything. I consider it as cheating if it's multimonitoring.

I am not against it used as challenge (When you think you know the chart by heart, see for example Saitama2000, the most known Taiko map ever, featuring >20 HD+FLs.

I think Didou agrees with me, but I look forward for more T.P. if they also agree.


I know like 1 case of regular HD+FLing in taiko.
SPOILER
And I totally hate that.
Winshley
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Winshley

_Gezo_ wrote:

To those who are wondering about FL+HD for Taiko...

I am personally TOTALLY AGAINST IT used as regular mods.

You'll ask why.

It kills the fun at getting #1s, it kills the challenge. It kills everything. I consider it as cheating if it's multimonitoring.

I am not against it used as challenge (When you think you know the chart by heart, see for example Saitama2000, the most known Taiko map ever, featuring >20 HD+FLs.

I think Didou agrees with me, but I look forward for more T.P. if they also agree.


I know like 1 case of regular HD+FLing in taiko.
SPOILER
And I totally hate that.
I guess you'll hate me then... I made that record purely using my brain to memorize, no multi-monitors or whatever. :?

(Of course, it took me a while to SS this since Taiko accuracy level is rather unforgiving. Also, I only played 3 Taiko maps, and only that map alone is the one I achieved the best. I mostly play osu! mode anyway. :P)
Yuzeyun
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Yuzeyun

Winshley wrote:

I guess you'll hate me then... I made that record purely using my brain to memorize, no multi-monitors or whatever. :?
Don't worry it's as challenge if you played it with your brain :)
Else I'd hate myself :V
Azure_Kite
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Azure_Kite
If it's done legitimately, There are no problems. If it's done using the Multi monitor method, then it's a problem. As long as you're not comparing notes on a FL-free screen when playing the FL on another monitor, for example, it's fine.
ThePassingShadow
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ThePassingShadow
Peppy is actually such a badass.

peppy wrote:

If you still don't believe me, I would suggest reconsidering how much you trust other people. I am not trying to tear apart friendships here, but throughout running osu! I myself have learnt that nearly no one can be trusted.
Seriously. Don't doubt him.
Winshley
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Winshley

Azure_Kyte wrote:

If it's done legitimately, There are no problems. If it's done using the Multi monitor method, then it's a problem. As long as you're not comparing notes on a FL-free screen when playing the FL on another monitor, for example, it's fine.
I guess I'm fine then.

If you check my replay on the beatmap I mentioned, you'll see that I keep hitting the taiko drum because I'm trying to follow the beat and hitting the notes accurately. :P
aston_old
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Simple answer :
run one client, whatever tools you use to play is up to you as long as there is no auto-macro involved, no other programs other than your own skills should help.
Agnes
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Agnes
Pfft, since when did some people have common sense?
Winshley
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Winshley
Some posts went kaput, including my latest posts. I wanna reply to the deleted post:

aston wrote:

This is not a discussion thread of whether it's wrong or right and special cases. Peppy asked for questions, not debate.
Sorry, I won't do that again. Thanks for answering my question regarding account sharing though (that it's bannable offense). :?
Soar
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Soar

peppy wrote:

We have not yet placed an incorrect ban for cheating.
I trust that
but how do we really know the incorrect ban? :?

For example, whether Bikko banned at that time, we still can say we have not yet placed an incorrect ban.
peppy
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Again, that's a matter of trusting my decisions. And the fact that most people end up admitting or create multis and continue cheating (which seals the deal really).
OnosakiHito
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OnosakiHito
@Gezo: Well, I'm also agains the FL mod in Taiko since it is normaly impossible to play in this way. Easy osu! maps converted into Taiko and Namco maps which have allways the same patterns are easy to memorize, but maps which are mapped by real users in this game, contains often much too hard patterns for memorizing them. But to exclude this mod would be maybe way too much, since you need to seperate it from the other two game mods and the rankings would/could be messed up.

But we need to be honest with us self(right english?), we all allready know who is really using double monitor, but we are just too scared to report them, isn't it right? So I think we are also not better, since we should contribute a bit more.

Well, but I think it is now clarified how we can report some one also in another way, after peppy explained it.
Gomo Psivarh
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Gomo Psivarh

peppy wrote:

Report their score on the beatmap info page (website) or use !report in in-game chat to send a message to moderators.
What's the format of the !report XXXXXX command?
peppy
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!report <any information you can provide here>
Winshley
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Winshley

peppy wrote:

!report <any information you can provide here>
So is it like sending regular chat message to the moderators via IRC? That means we should include the URL to the beatmap if we are reporting cheaters/foul plays, right?

(Though I personally prefer using the [Report] button from the website instead. And I think it would be better if the button also includes writing the reason why we're reporting the player)
chibidanil
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chibidanil
hmm
2 different question
how about play with multi account (with honest play), like using new account or friend's account?
and how if someone play with other people's account to play with cheat?
no self-defence? :P
Sakura
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Sakura
Nope, you are responsible for whatever anyone does on your account, if they cheat, your account is gone, simple as that, and multi accounting isnt allowed in the first place
Daru
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Daru
Out of curiosity, what's the rate of incidence of cheating?
Obviously it's high enough to warrant this thread; I'm just curious as to how many people have actually been banned because of cheating.
Tenacious J
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Tenacious J

peppy wrote:

My friend has been banned for cheating! They definitely wouldn't cheat! You are wrong!
I feel like I've been put under the spotlight (-_-")
peppy
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Getting sick of moderating this thread so I am going to lock it. If you have any QUESTIONS that you believe need to be added to the list, send me a PM. Don't ask stupid stuff like "is having two monitors cheating?", please.
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