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PyP Video Game Mafia [MAFIA+SURVIVOR] - Dr. Hitter Escapes!

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Lybydose
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Something doesn't add up here.

Night one, Rantai claims to have redirected adam to LadySuburu. LS then claimed to have been hit but was bulletproof and avoided death. Since adam turned up mafia, it would be semi-logical to conclude that Rantai successfully redirected their kill to LadySuburu. But if this were the case, where's the SK kill?

Rolled hits Salvage
Mafia hits LadySuburu
SK hits no one?

What about Night 2?

SK hits Swiftwolf
Mafia hits no one?

Where are these missing kills going? It couldn't be all these 5398 bulletproof roles because the only person claiming to be hit is LS, tastelikecoke's role only sometimes works, and fishie/tastelikecoke weren't exactly prime nightkill targets.

Also, one of the following exists:

Janitor SK
Janitor Mafioso

I'm leaning towards Rolled/Two/Luna being the SK and the janitor being mafia. Here's my theory:

Rolled killed Salvage N1 and quickly claimed some vigilante type role. Vigilante is the easiest role to "get away with claiming" as an SK because you can generally prove it. In this case it's extra clever because he said he can't use his kills any more. This makes the mafia believe he's now the equivalent of a vanilla townie and avoid killing him. Meanwhile, mafia kill was directed at LS and it failed, so no ??????? roles showed up.

Night 2, mafia killed Swiftwolf because lolcop. Meanwhile, Rolled killed no one to perpetuate his role losing the ability to kill and make it look like there's no SK. Or maybe he killed Swiftwolf too and only the mafia kill went through.

Day 3, Two rolls around and suddenly claims the ability to kill, despite Rolled earlier claiming he could no longer do so. Why has everyone completely ignored this part?
Lybydose
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About akrolsmir:

You are quick to discount the existence of four independents and shift blame on me for some reason, yet you make no mention of the fact that five people have claimed bulletproof-like roles. It's even more convenient that "Paranoid Gun Owner" is the ultimate "don't investigate me or nightkill me" that a scum could claim.

You're also quick to discount Mashley as a possible Jester, yet ignore the fact that if Mashley were not a jester, LadySuburu would have to be lying. It's a bit odd that you make no mention of that at all.

Oh yeah and it's also suspicious that Mashley did not give any results for Night 4.1 when he showed up here. I'm willing to believe that he isn't a cop at all.
pieguyn
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Well, Lybydose just said everything I wanted to say. (I was going to post it earlier but I got sidetracked and forgot)

Something doesn't add up indeed because if we had a SK, mafia, and Rolled/Two/Luna we'd have three killers, and since there was only one kill night 2 we would have two protections. We could have a successful redirect N2, but that's rather unlikely. That means that Luna and the SK have to be the same person. Plus, as Lybydose said, when Two replaced in he immediately claimed vigilante and even said he didn't read the thread, which contradicts what Rolled said. This really just seems like something way too obvious to overlook.

That said, I'm inclined to believe LadySuburu and say that Mashley is a jester, because LS's roleclaim adds up (due to limited reveal) and Mashley's results just don't. This would make Rantai a redirector, but if Mashley isn't a jester LS is of course mafia. I find it even more likely Mashley is a jester because IIRC NoHitter has put a jester before, but that might have been a different host and I'm too lazy to check >.>

I think there's 3 mafia left, or possibly 2 mafia or a SK or 3 mafia or a SK. It appears we've found the SK, and it would be a good idea to go ahead and lynch Luna to prevent these effing double NKs.

vote: Luna
akrolsmir
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@LS- I don't know about that. Right now the entirety of what we have against Mashley would be your one statement. It's possible getting Wojjan was just luck, but I doubt it.

About your statements on Rantai- Even if we carry out your plan successfully, that just shows that Rantai's a redirector, not that he's town. Redirecting could easily be a scum role, and it's convenient for scum redirector (roleblocker, rolecop etc.) to claim to be their town counterparts because they can prove part of their role.

@Lybydose- Well, yes, I thought it was implied that LS was lying, to protect Rantai I would presume.

I didn't notice Mashley was missing results, it'd be helpful if he detailed who he's targeted over the last few days.

And conversely, you believe that NoHItter would include a jester in this game? I've never played with/against one before, but I gather it's a highly discouraged and unlikely role.

About Rolled/Two/Luna- I'd expect it if Two was just lying as he so often does, as both town and scum. I'll wait for Luna to respond.
LadySuburu
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akrolsmir wrote:

@LS- I don't know about that. Right now the entirety of what we have against Mashley would be your one statement. It's possible getting Wojjan was just luck, but I doubt it.

About your statements on Rantai- Even if we carry out your plan successfully, that just shows that Rantai's a redirector, not that he's town. Redirecting could easily be a scum role, and it's convenient for scum redirector (roleblocker, rolecop etc.) to claim to be their town counterparts because they can prove part of their role.
The ability Mara absorbed causes the user to die if targeting mafia.

The fact that you're not following the thread fully also makes me think you're mafia, moreso than before, since this was mentioned not once, but twice. One of which was recently as I talked to Mara about it in thread.
Lybydose
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akrolsmir wrote:

I didn't notice Mashley was missing results, it'd be helpful if he detailed who he's targeted over the last few days.
Day 2, Mashley immediately claimed Cop and said Wojjan was mafia.
Day 3, Mashley immediately said he investigated me as innocent and Rantai as guilty.
Day 4.1, Mashley immediately said he investigated Two as innocent.
Day 4.2, Mashley didn't post results at all and just voted Rantai.

LadySuburu received (or claims to have received) some results during Night 4.1; Mashley does not immediately post results despite having done so as his first post on each other day. I'm thinking it's some sort of slip.

There's still the matter of the non-existent motivator that let Mashley get two results Day 3.
pieguyn
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That motivator issue makes it even more likely he's a Jester. Implying the existence of something that isn't actually there is something that makes a person very suspicious. o.o
Mara
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Lybydose wrote:

actually I still have no idea wtf you're able to do Mara.
My main action is to guess who is going to die, basicly. If I'll guess it right, I will get their power action for one day/night. I guessed that akrolsmir will die, but I didn't get any PMs about it.

Also I got this chatpowerthing since I guessed once correctly - but I think I lost this power now. I targeted bmin11 because he's sexy. No other reasons.

And yeah, so far I've been thinking your "targeting" means the chatthing. derpherp
Lybydose
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LunaticMara wrote:

I can talk to this chosen guy in a new QuickTopic. Our discussion will get broken, if me or this guy will die. This is why I am not going to reveal his name.
Ok you're making this incredibly difficult Mara. You claim to have received a chat PM during Night 4.2 saying you could talk with bmin11 and you got a quick topic. <== IS THIS CORRECT?

You then received another PM stating your secret talk was canceled. <== IS THIS CORRECT AS WELL?

You then said "btw I can daytalk too". WHICH IS IT?! Can you or can you not daytalk with bmin?

Bmin - did you receive any notification of any of this at all?
Lybydose
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Also, can you still use this power since it was "canceled"?? As in, send a PM to the host asking if you can use the power again or if it's gone.
Mara
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Lybydose wrote:

Ok you're making this incredibly difficult Mara. You claim to have received a chat PM during Night 4.2 saying you could talk with bmin11 and you got a quick topic. <== IS THIS CORRECT? CORRECT, though I got it at start of the day.

You then received another PM stating your secret talk was canceled. <== IS THIS CORRECT AS WELL? CORRECT

You then said "btw I can daytalk too". WHICH IS IT?! Can you or can you not daytalk with bmin? DAY+NIGHT
FisHie_old
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Mara, you guessed right on Night 3 so you should be able to use KRZY's ability again next night since it is Day 4 now.
And I don't think he can chat because all night actions got undone.
Lybydose
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Ok so you're contradicting yourself again. You CAN day + night chat with bmin?
Mara
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Lybydose wrote:

Ok so you're contradicting yourself again. You CAN day + night chat with bmin?
Oh, sorry. Yes, I CAN.
Lybydose
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ok then, can bmin confirm this?
Lybydose
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oh yeah and vote: Luna
akrolsmir
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LadySuburu wrote:

The ability Mara absorbed causes the user to die if targeting mafia.
When Rantai redirects it, then Mara's no longer targeting Rantai. Whether or not Mara would die should be contingent upon who Rantai redirects it to, not on Rantai's own alignment.

This might be moot as it appears Mara can't target anyone anymore? If you still can, ask NoHItter to clear up the above.
bmin11
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bmin11 wrote:

Anyway, I confirm Mara is a recruiter. I received a recruitment PM and a cancled PM.
To add more detail, I also received the link to the quicktopic. Interesting enough, I can still view the quick topic and even post there. I immediately deleted my post obviously because I'm not allowed to talk.

And about Rantai redirecting LM bit, I don't agree on this strategy. If LM end up dead, it would be indicating either Rantai or the targetted Rantai redirected too is mafia, because 1) LM may have died from soley targetting Rantai 2) Rantai redirected to a mafia. Even if we found the 2nd case to be true, it is still hard to believe Rantai since he could have just simply sacrificed his scum member. I would rather lynch instead of going through this trail of WIFOM that brings us to nothing.

Luna the SK, it sounds believeable, but I would want to go through and check the results for myself before voting Luna yet. The amount of info and the possibility of missing one or two infos worries me.
LadySuburu
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akrolsmir wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

The ability Mara absorbed causes the user to die if targeting mafia.
When Rantai redirects it, then Mara's no longer targeting Rantai. Whether or not Mara would die should be contingent upon who Rantai redirects it to, not on Rantai's own alignment.
Yeah sorry, I overlooked that.

*facepalm*
Lybydose
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LS what game are you from?
Lybydose
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also what game is Mashley from?
Rantai
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Reading through, Lybydose's deduction of Luna being SK makes sense to me. By that, the killing roles also line up (ie ???, kill)

bmin11 wrote:

And about Rantai redirecting LM bit, I don't agree on this strategy. If LM end up dead, it would be indicating either Rantai or the targetted Rantai redirected too is mafia, because 1) LM may have died from soley targetting Rantai 2) Rantai redirected to a mafia. Even if we found the 2nd case to be true, it is still hard to believe Rantai since he could have just simply sacrificed his scum member. I would rather lynch instead of going through this trail of WIFOM that brings us to nothing.
Yeah I'm going to agree here. Me redirecting Mara won't prove much unless his dying mechanic doesn't apply to who I redirect him to. I think the better choice is, if we go along with it, is Mara targets me but I redirect someone else. Assuming Luna is the SK, if we lynch her then there should only be 1 killing party left which I may be able to redirect off Mara (because the mafia will obviously kill him to scum paint me further).

How I see it is, there are 2 killing factions out there - SK and mafia. I believe it's reasonable to assume there are 4 mafia in this game at the very least. Going by that, lynching me would allow both mafia to survive and the SK bringing us to a total loss of 3 town assuming no crossfire. If we lynch Luna and she does end up being SK then we have a chance to actually have no town NK casualties if I can redirect properly. If she does turn out to be town then we'll be in a similar situation as a lynch on me except there is still the chance that I can redirect a kill into our lovely Jester or another mafia/SK. Though in that case Mara is very likely to die due to a kill, especially if both factions target him (I can't stop both) meaning I'll be left open again the next day.

Actually what would come first? A role required death or a night kill?
LadySuburu
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Lybydose wrote:

LS what game are you from?
I would assume Touch Detective (By Atlus), since my other games wouldn't make sense.


Mashley:

Name: Big Rigs: Over the Top Racing

Game: Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing

That's what it said, basically.
bmin11
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Mashley is a jester. Done deal. Untill LS fixes his statement, I'm going to believe Mashley was shot and he is no mafia, but a jester.

Anyway (this list excludes foulcoon's actions as they do not hold any values)
N1
KRZY recruited Salvage (confirm)
Rantai redirects Adam to LS (unconfirm)
LS was shot (confirm)
Someone killed Salvage and result was shown (who?)

Only Salvage was found dead and there's no contradiction on the death count, because LS was shot.

N2
Mashley investigated Rantai and Lybydose (unconfirmed)
Swiftwolf was shot without a result
LS learns Swiftwolf's role (unconfirm)
Rantai redirected Wojjan to bmin11 (unconfirmed)

Swiftwolf was the only one found dead and there were no bulletproof claims. Only explainations 1) Bulletproof was shot and he did not claim 2) SK chose not to shoot that night or else, a contradiction

N3
KRZY was shot and result was shown
Lilac was shot without a result
LS learns Lilac's role (unconfirm)
Mashley investigated Two (unconfirm)
Mara absorbs KRZY's ability (confirm)
Rantai redirected Lybydose to Mara (unconfirm)
KRZY recruited Mashley (unconfirm)

This night, two people were found dead. However, we must also consider who KRZY targetted that night. KRZY targetted Mashley that night (which should not have killed KRZY), but we cannot be sure with this because of the existence of the redirector.
Mashley did not claim to receive any kinds of recruitment PM. A possibility that KRZY was killed because he targetted Mashley, the mafia?
This night, we had both kills with result and without a result. The kind of kill that came back this night was the one with a result, which means the killer who reveals the result can choose to shoot or not for the night.

N4
Mashley was shot, without a clearance of rather the result was revealed or not
Mara recruits bmin11 (confirm to death)
LS learns Mashley's role (unconfirm)
Mashley did what?
Fishie did what?

We only found one dead body that night, which is contradicting. Mafia have still killed people that night even if Rantai was mafia. This would be the same situation with N2.


I'm going to believe there is a third party with a kill ability in this game, because the kill count jumps every night, which is impossible with the current list of role claims we have. The kill that jumps in and out was the one that shows the result, means those were done by the SK.

The question is, who could be our SK? These are the people who aren and aren't confirmed

Confirmed:
bmin11
Mara
LS
foulcoon (eventhough Doctor with a chance ability could be a lie and easy to bypass confirmation, his claim was too good to be a lie IMO)
Mashley

Unconfirmed:
Fishie
pieguy
Rantai
akro
tastelikecoke
Lybydose

We have 2 (or 3) Mafia + a SK in that group.

One thing I found odd about Rolled and Two's role claim. Rolled claimed to be an Avenging gunman, while Two claims to be a Vigilante. This makes it even more suspicious and I'm actually willing to lynch Luna today.




P.S. This list could be broken. If you find anything to be wrong or if you can add more detail, please say so with link to the post as an evidence.

EDIT: Fixed Rantai's actions and fixed the analzies for N3
Last edited by bmin11 , edited 2 times in total.
Rantai
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Just to clear things up on my side for you.

bmin11 wrote:

N3
-
Rantai did what?
Lybydose to Mara

bmin11 wrote:

N4
-
Rantai did what?
I was lynched, so I couldn't do anything.
bmin11
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Rantai wrote:

Just to clear things up on my side for you.

bmin11 wrote:

N3
-
Rantai did what?
Lybydose to Mara

bmin11 wrote:

N4
-
Rantai did what?
I was lynched, so I couldn't do anything.
They are applied to the post. Thank you.
LadySuburu
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Role name correction for mash Via NoHItter: Crash Accident
Lybydose
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rooooofl Big Rigs

ok yeah that fits perfectly
bmin11
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To all bulleproofs or whoever has a shot denie ability, please claim if you were shot or not and when were you shot.

To Fishie, tell us who you hid behind last night.
FisHie_old
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I didn't hide behind anyone because I have a handicap.
Can only hide once every 2 nights so I am saving it up just in case I need it... :s
bmin11
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FisHie wrote:

I didn't hide behind anyone because I have a handicap.
Can only hide once every 2 nights so I am saving it up just in case I need it... :s
Have you ever hid behind someone before?
FisHie_old
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No, never really had a reason to.
Luna
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Oh damn, time zones suck. All the action happens when I'm asleep.
Rolled's claim was 100% correct, I'm an Avenging Gunman with no kills left. I assume two threatened those kills to pressure people into claiming, you know it's something he'd do.
And addressing bmin's complaint that Two claimed Vig instead of Avenging Gunman: That doesn't even make sense. Avenging Gunman is clearly a Vigilante-variation, so Two was completely right on that. Just instead of X-Shot it's "Until you hit town". I'd like to add to that that my replacement PM even used the word Vig in one place to describe my ability, so Two would have recieved the same one I guess. I can't say more about that without quoting, sorry.

I actually need to go offline now, but I'll post more on the subject later on when I return.

Oh, and Wojjan: If you still have your NK, don't use it on bmin as soon as you get the opportunity. Save it instead. When we know we are going to win, feel free to kill bmin. If I'm not mistaken you don't win upon killing bmin but you win with Town if bmin is dead. So it's in your best interest to secure a town win before killing off your target. Okay?
Luna
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Oops, Wojjan is already dead.
Sorry, I'm sleepy.
Mashley
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Yeah whatever I'm jester. This role sucks, why would you even include it NoHItter? >:(
Rantai
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bmin11 wrote:

We only found one dead body that night, which is contradicting. Mafia have still killed people that night even if Rantai was mafia. This would be the same situation with N2.

I'm going to believe there is a third party with a kill ability in this game, because the kill count jumps every night, which is impossible with the current list of role claims we have. The kill that jumps in and out was the one that shows the result, means those were done by the SK.
Actually about that.

LS do you also receive results for the lynched and NK targets (the non ??? NK's)

It is very possible that he only receives the roles of the ???'s.

Misc edit: Lol 0.1 sec ninja post
Rantai
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Of course that only explains that night's kills. But the other nights have been reasonably explained.
bmin11
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I would also like to have LS to answer that question.
LadySuburu
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Rantai wrote:

LS do you also receive results for the lynched and NK targets (the non ??? NK's)
Lynches: No, I do not.

NKs: I asked NoHItter at the start but he said that since the roles are revealed at day start anyway it would be redundant, so I would not be recieving information on the normal NKs, just the ones who are not revealed.

Which of course limited the information I got last night. I have no idea if a second kill was attempted or not, if I had known I would've revealed that information already.
Rantai
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I figured that would be the case.
bmin11
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So Mashley was killed by the killer who does not reveals the result. This is very odd. We assumed mafia was the one who does not reveal the kill result, which means that we would have to assume the mafia killed Mashley. The odd thing is, why would they go after a cop that they clearly knew Mashley was either Random or fake cop.

Possibilities
1) The one who actually kills without showing the result was the SK
2) Mashley called every single results correct (ex: calling Wojjan a mafia) and the mafia thought Mashley was a legit cop.

The only other way the mafia could be the one without revealing the kill result and knowing Mashley is fake is when Mafia was the one to choose No Night Kills, which is also odd since there was no reason for the mafia to not kill.
bmin11
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Side note: There was only one bulletproof hit, which was LS on D2. Fishie did not hide for the entire game (which is stupid) and pieguy and akro was never hit by the mafia (no one died from targetting pieguy and akro).

To tastelikecoke
Can you please tell us when you've used your ability? If you don't have the information, please ask NoHItter to provide your night action history.
Rantai
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It's possible that they thought I was the SK and the fact that Mashley hit Wojjan correctly may have spooked them enough to kill him so they didn't have the risk of being revealed.
bmin11
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If that's the case, we can safely assume Lyby and Luna are townies
Rantai
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Lyby I can understand, but why Luna?
bmin11
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Because Mashely called Rolled/Two/Luna to be innocent
Luna
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I'm still trying to figure out why we don't get consistent numbers on the NKs.
I first thought the SK had some kind of odd-night/even-night modifier, but that doesn't add up with the actual kills.
Possibly one of the factions is trying to frame me as SK but that still doesn't explain the N1 results.
This game confuses me >_<
Rantai
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Ahh right that. Though, the problem is that the mafia have no idea who the SK is and Mashley was taking wild guesses (as we know he is a Jester, even self confessed). So it doesn't really show much apart from some guessing and paranoia.
Luna
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mod: Is it possible in this setup that two players represent the same game (but different aspects of it)?
bmin11
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Rantai wrote:

Ahh right that. Though, the problem is that the mafia have no idea who the SK is and Mashley was taking wild guesses (as we know he is a Jester, even self confessed). So it doesn't really show much apart from some guessing and paranoia.
If we go with the third possibility (which you have brought up), mafia assumed you were a SK and thought Mashley was actually hitting everything correctly. We can safely conclude that the mafia believed Mashley because mafia knew Lyby and Luna aren't mafia.

EDIT: Engrish
bmin11
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If Lyby and Luna weren't townie, mafia would have knew Mashley was fake and they wouldn't kill Mashley last night.
Rantai
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Of course. Going by that I fully agree that they don't think they were mafia and by that token I don't believe either are mafia atm. However it doesn't not confirm them as town just yet, the gripe being Luna has the highest possibility of being the SK.
Rantai
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Lol hold on. I get what you're saying now.

I blame the all nighter I just did. >.<
Rantai
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Triple post.

I guess the only other possibility is that they wanted to kill Mashley to unconfirm both Luna and Lyby because my flip would have revealed him to be a fake.

My brain is evidently not working properly anymore, I'll let you check over that one.
akrolsmir
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It's possible that Mashley called out every single person correctly and the mafia knew this... or it could be that the SK is the Janitor. The latter is simpler and heck of a lot more likely IMO. Occam's razor or something.
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Unvote, I'm going to try something different.

Confirmed:
LunaticMara
bmin11
Mashley
LS

Others' vote history:
1. Rantai- pieguy, adam, Wojjan, NV +2
3. fishie- Salvage, adam, Rantai, Rantai 0
7. Rolled Two Luna- DxS, Wojjan, Wojjan, Rantai +1
10. pieguy1372- DxS, adam, Wojjan, NV +1
11. foulcoon- Salvage, Wojjan, NV, Rantai 0
14. Lybydose- fishie, adam, Wojjan, NV +2
15.Backfire akrolsmir- NV, adam, Wojjan, Rantai +2
16. Jaqennn tastelikecoke- DxS, NV, Mashley, Rantai -1

+1 for voting confirmed scum, -1 for voting confirmed town, 0 otherwise. It's just meant to be a guideline.

The people who have a 0 or lower are fishie, foulcoon, and taste. Taste is the lowest, mostly because he didn't vote for either Wojjan or adam D2. It's suspicious, though I think he was just gone IRL that time. Still,that could easily have been an excuse not to vote for his scumbuddies.

I've already said that I was suspicious of foulcoon's role as a vanilla townie now- he has a reason not to prove anything and to escape being nk'd (as in, "they wouldn't bother targeting me".)

I'll vote: fishie, though. He voted for Salvage, the claimed tracker/watcher, to the end of D1, and not hiding for the entire game is fishy suspicious, on top of a role that's already a likely scumclaim.
bmin11
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Assuming mafia has a janitor ability, reasons why mafia would believe Mashley was cop

1) Rantai is mafia and Lyby + Luna are townie
2) Rantai isn't mafia, but mafia thought Rantai was SK. Lyby + Luna are townie

other than that, mafia has no reason to kill Mashley, because they would figure Mashley is no cop.


Assuming SK has a janitor ability and possible stories for it

1) Mafia chose not to kill for some night.
2) Mafia shot tastelikecoke while he used his commuting ability.
3) Mafia and SK shot the same person for some night (don't know which takes priority).
4) Luna and Lyby aren't SK (they had no reason to kill Mashley, because they would figure Mashley is no cop)
5) SK assumed Rantai is mafia
6) SK shot Salvage with mafia

TOO MUCH POSSIBLE STORIES AHHH


Actually, I think we have to vertify the priority issue over kills.

Mod: Assuming both SK and Mafia shot the same target, would the target's identity be revealed upon it's death, or not revealed? In other word, which kills take priority on killing result?
Rantai
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I'm going to sleep (it's 8 am!)

Sorry for the confusion bmin, I'm just an idiot.
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Although I don't quite agree with the method Akrols used to look at voting patterns (Not only do scum vote for other scum, but both of which were on the recieving end of a cop claim. At that point you vote for your teammate when playing as mafia.)

I do agree that I find Fishie somewhat Scummy, with an unused hider ability being something I find a bit suspicious as well. Although, I find tastelike a bit more so scummy but that's more based on "gut".
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just in case he skim reads it

Vote: tastelikecoke
Can you please tell us when you've used your ability? If you don't have the information, please ask NoHItter to provide your night action history.
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Luna wrote:

mod: Is it possible in this setup that two players represent the same game (but different aspects of it)?
I cannot answer that due to the game being a closed setup.
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Unvote.

I'll post something later when I have time.
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VOTE COUNT:
Luna (2) - pieguy1372, Lybydose
Rantai (1) - Mashley
akrolsmir (1) - LadySuburu
FisHie (1) - akrolsmir
tastelikecoke (1) - bmin11

Not Voting (6) - LunaticMara, Rantai, FisHie, foulcoon, Two, tastelikecoke
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I guess that I'll just Vote: pieguy1372.
You gave me the same impression that Wojjan did. Could be wrong though.
Salvage gave me that same impression and he turned out to be a townie.
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bmin11 wrote:

Mod: Assuming both SK and Mafia shot the same target, would the target's identity be revealed upon it's death, or not revealed? In other word, which kills take priority on killing result?
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bmin11 wrote:

Mod: Assuming both SK and Mafia shot the same target, would the target's identity be revealed upon it's death, or not revealed? In other word, which kills take priority on killing result?
Janitor kill takes priority.
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Hnn. Sorry guys for totally lurking it out. All Soul's Day is such an ass.

Reading, again.
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Sorry I'm so inactive atm
I have a few things that I still need to take care of today, and as a replacement I'm not yet 100% familiar with the setup. I'll try to contribute more asap though
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bmin11 wrote:

Can you please tell us when you've used your ability? If you don't have the information, please ask NoHItter to provide your night action history.
As with what happened Night 4, I didn't get targetted or anything.

As for the history:
- Charged N1.
- Released N2. Was not targetted.
- Charged N3.
- Slipped N4. My combo was broken, so I lost the invuln. Was not targetted either.
Not sure if I still have a charge at Night 4.2.

Not sure about the fuzz on Mashley, his actions doesn't feel like a jester.

akrolsmir wrote:

The people who have a 0 or lower are fishie, foulcoon, and taste. Taste is the lowest, mostly because he didn't vote for either Wojjan or adam D2. It's suspicious, though I think he was just gone IRL that time. Still,that could easily have been an excuse not to vote for his scumbuddies.
Clarifying this. Oct 23 - Oct 24, we went to an island. It's a boring vacation but I had no choice. When I went back to the Internet it was night.
As for D2, I had no alibis. If you would consider "I felt lazy" though...
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tastelikecoke wrote:

Not sure about the fuzz on Mashley, his actions doesn't feel like a jester.
Well unless LS and Mashley are our last mafia then both a coroner confirmation and self confirmation should be enough proof that he is a jester.
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Disregard my posts. They are mostly useless unless we figure which one is our Janitor.
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and Prod: akro, Lyby, foulcoon, pieguy
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tastelikecoke find out if you still have a charge for tonight.

If so, we do this:

Luna announce a target
Rantai redirect Luna to tastelikecoke
tastelikecoke commute

fishie hide behind Rantai

lynch akrolsmir
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for luna's target I suggest Mashley btw
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If Luna can't kill anymore, lets have Mara to use his ability and have Rantai to redirect LunaticMara's action to Luna?
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Mara can't use his ability now (only guess who will die). I think. He's decided to be incredibly vague so far so I have no idea.
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Oh right I forgot tastelikecoke orz. How about have fishie to hide behind Rantai? If we use the above strategy, we can confirm Rantai rather LunaticMara recruited his original target or redirected target (Luna)
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I think he can since this is practically the same day as yesterday (even dead people are alive), but I guess it can't be bad to be sure.

@Mara
Can you use your ability?
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Though if fishie hides behind me, what's stopping the mafia from shooting me and taking both of us out?
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Nothing, but it forces mafia to kill unconfirmed targets rather than known townies such as LadySuburu.
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bmin11 wrote:

@Mara
Can you use your ability?
Sorry, but I haven't asked yet. I'll catch NoHItter today and see if I can still use mah chatskillz.

What I'll do, if I still have it? What I'll do, if not?
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LunaticMara wrote:

What I'll do, if I still have it? What I'll do, if not?
Depends. We need tastelikecoke to ask if he can use his power tonight or not, then base it on that too. We have 5 days still no rush to finalize night actions yet.
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Lybydose wrote:

Nothing, but it forces mafia to kill unconfirmed targets rather than known townies such as LadySuburu.
Righto. That works for me.
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responding before prod, i don't really have anything to add right now other than fml that i chose to protect mash over swift on night 2
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@Luna
Do you still have your ability to kill?
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bmin11 wrote:

@Luna
Do you still have your ability to kill?
There goes that plan. I was hoping no one would point this out and Luna would slip and go along with the plan, thus contradicting an earlier statement. Oh well.
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I already stated that I don't have my kill anymore.
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Lybydose wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

@Luna
Do you still have your ability to kill?
There goes that plan. I was hoping no one would point this out and Luna would slip and go along with the plan, thus contradicting an earlier statement. Oh well.
orz
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I say instead we have Rantai redirect Luna to fishie, who then hides behind someone. Or something similar.
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Oh, Lyby that sly ninja
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Explanation of above: I still kind of think Luna is the SK, but if we have Rantai redirect to someone who can't die, we can confirm that Luna is NOT the SK depending on death results. And if the SK's kill is optional and isn't Luna and decides to WIFOM it up by killing no one, then hey, our actions prevented people from dying.
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I'll catch up to your plan after I come back from sleep @_@. I like how the plan sounds so far
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I am okay with this plan
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Sounds good to me, better than just targeting random people with your abilities anyway.
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So uh... What's the plan guys?

Lyby wrote:

tastelikecoke find out if you still have a charge for tonight.

If so, we do this:

Luna announce a target
Rantai redirect Luna to tastelikecoke
tastelikecoke commute

fishie hide behind Rantai

lynch akrolsmir
Tastelikecoke PM NoHItter on if he has a charge. (Was this ever done?)

Mara find out from NoHItter if he can still recruit for talk. (Need this info.)

If so:

fishie hide behind Rantai?

Rantai redirect Mara to tastelikecoke?

tastelikecoke commute?


Not sure on the specifics, but this is roughly what I've understood is the current plan.
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I say instead we have Rantai redirect Luna to fishie, who then hides behind someone. Or something similar.
fishie hides behind someone (another unconfirmed?)

I redirect Luna to fishie

Mara to tastelikecoke?

tastelikecoke commutes?

Is what I thought was going on.
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Only problem I currently see after thinking through it:
The real SK could kill my "intended target" and frame both Rantai and me by doing so.
Or is there anything I'm missing?
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Unless I understand the hider role wrong, fishie can't be killed if I redirect you to him. Likewise, if a SK/mafia shoots him he won't die due to the same reason.
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Oh unless you mean I somehow fail to redirect you and you 'shoot' the person you're meant to (ie another person shoots).

I guess only a roleblocker could make that happen? Which means it won't happen.

Edit: Added the "Which means it won't happen" >.<
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Yes, but the real SK could kill someone else and then claim that you fakeclaimed your redirection role, letting my SK-kill go through.
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