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Rantai
Well any misinformation is bad information right?

Roleclaim: Konpaku Youmu - Seraph Knight

I'm almost certain I blocked the mafia NK last night, that being bmin. Seeing as he was still 'vulnerable' in the 'plan' and that Chris was preaching his death I'm pretty sure they followed through.

Now I know roleclaiming as a doctor role isn't the best but it's annoying me to see that wrong assumption and well I doubt they are going to attack bmin again anyway.
LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

Maybe there's a friendly eiring around who protected the actual target?
Maybe, which would just add to the confusion.

@Rantai Which night did you use your ability?
Rantai
Night 2. I did not use any ability night 1.
Rantai
Seeing as that is out in the open, this is also part of the reason why I wanted the watcher to claim after everyone started stating that the watcher would be a guaranteed NK if he did claim.
Raging Bull
Well I don't want to be lynched when I'm asleep.


Roleclaim: Fujiwara no Mokou


I should be the equivalent to a townie since I have no ability listed.
Rantai
Apart from being immortal and all.

Survivor?
Wojjan
yes awesome a seraph knight this will buy us EVEN MORE time. Rantai if at any point bmin dies we kill you so don't kill him okay.

I think by now this game is sort of won. Currently I feel the most for a JInxyjem lynch. Odds are he roleblocked Backfire just to get us to lynch him because he didn't show up in the report, and targeted the watcher because they'd have to kill him first to get through to the tracker. Voyeur on his own is worth a lot less.

Vote: Jinx
Raging Bull
Lol I really thought I would be a survivor when I picked Mokou but sadly nope.
LadySuburu

Rantai wrote:

Night 2. I did not use any ability night 1.
Alright, I mostly believe you. (95%)

Well, now the three are even again.

Backfire, shoot Raging Bull tonight. Being Mokou he should survive based on what he's claimed.

I'm good with a JInxy lynch.
Raging Bull
What? But I'm not immortal?
Raging Bull
Rantai is the one that said I'm immortal.
Wojjan
yeah he didn't claim any powers, including Bulletproofness

which is odd, in a game like this. Everyone so far has had at least a little modifier like lover or mason to it.
LadySuburu

Raging Bull wrote:

What? But I'm not immortal?
It's either secretly a part of your role, or you're lying. Either way is fine with me.


I SEVERELY doubt the existance of any plain vanilla roles in this game.

Hey look, Ninja'd by wojjan.
Rantai

Wojjan wrote:

yes awesome a seraph knight this will buy us EVEN MORE time. Rantai if at any point bmin dies we kill you so don't kill him okay.
If bmin dies I'll jump off a cliff.

Inb4 a third strongman.
Raging Bull
Well in that case I wanted to be quiet and let my arch enemy roleclaim himself. Anyways I win if said arch enemy is lynched. If he is NK'd then I'm just a vanilla role.
Rantai
Oh a lyncher. Looks like your game is over. But now we know there is a Kaguya around.
Raging Bull
Vote: Kaguya

:(
LadySuburu

Raging Bull wrote:

Well in that case I wanted to be quiet and let my arch enemy roleclaim himself. Anyways I win if said arch enemy is lynched. If he is NK'd then I'm just a vanilla role.
A lyncher, perfect.

Yo Kaguya, claim.
Wojjan
Kaguya should claim since she's essentially conffirmed town. go go go
bmin11
Vote: JInx


By the way, is it possible for the lyncher to have a mafia member as a target?
Rantai
Yeah it is.

I'll assume the Kaguya is a mafia if I don't see a roleclaim in 24 hours.
Lybydose
Ok I lied, I didn't actually watch JInxyjem, I watched Rantai. He targeted bmin.

Reason for this was that I wasn't sure if Rantai was mafia, so I was trying to bait him into thinking I had wasted my Tracker ability and that he could claim on his own terms rather than after I revealed results "oh yeah I targeted him and I'm a protection role". It matches up though, so he's either telling the truth or really clever.

So I'm willing to believe that Rantai's protection went through on bmin and he was the kill target, and either Backfire or JInxyjem are mafia.

Right now I'm leaning toward JInxyjem being a roleblocker and backfire's ability failing, thus not appearing on KRZY's list.
Rantai
Lynch all liars <3

Alright then, Unvote wait for the next day Salvage :3

However I am not so sure about JInxyjem, I'm going to sleep on this.
Lybydose
Also, if JInxyjem really is a Cop (and not a roleblocker), that means one of two things:

1. JInxyjem is a Random Cop or Naive Cop and Backfire is mafia. Naive Cop does not fit Shiki at all though.
2. JInxyjem is a Sane Cop and KRZY is mafia.

JInxyjem being a roleblocker makes perfect sense though. Night 1 he likely would have targeted KRZY, the only known aux role at the time. Unfortunately for him, it got swapped on to Rolled by Two's bus drive, and didn't do anything.

Night 2 his plan was to block the "known doctor" and then kill a known aux such as bmin.
Lybydose
Oh yeah there's also the possibility that JInx is Random/Naive and then both KRZY and Backfire are mafia, but I doubt that.
Lybydose
oh damnit I forgot all about Godfathers.

So JInx could be sane, KRZY town, and Backfire a godfather.
KRZY
Hey guess what

I got a PM from a mod 3 hrs ago, saying Lyby was actually motivated. Apparently someone sent in their night PM late.

Thought I had to drop this off.
Wojjan
yeeeeeeah go KRZY. Didn't I say I wasn't gonna out my motivation?
Wojjan
also yeah I confirm being a slacking loser
bmin11
Motivated tracker o_o I wonder what that would do. Any noticable difference, Lyby?

@KRZY
That action was done during N2, right? Or are you also able to receive actions done during day time, if it's done on the person you voyeured last night?
Lybydose
Actually that's perfect if Wojjan confirms I was actually the motivation target. Mafia will want to kill me now, so here's what we do:

Lynch JInxyjem due to the possibility of him being a roleblocker. Choose a target for Backfire. If backfire is really mafia, they waste their nightkill on whatever target we have chosen or risk not having Backfire's target die and him outted as mafia. If he's non-mafia, his kill goes through and then we see two kills appear the next day. That is, unless the mafia decides to not send in a kill, which is again beneficial to us because the mafia isn't killing anyone.
Lybydose
@bmin: Wojjan said it took until the next night to have any effect.
bmin11
Mafia won't be able to frame Backfire by killing the same target, because KRZY or I will be able to tell if the kill was overlapped or not
Lybydose
also vote: JInxyjem
KRZY
Okay what started as my insight has become something of a summary of what we know already, but here goes:

So I doubt Backfire has a Godfather role since he already has like two kills and one protect, which would pretty much confirm him as town UNLESS Jinxy was an insane/random/naive cop (I think an insane cop is not entirely out of the option since Shikieiki is so intent on judging people...)

Now, he claims he protected Lybydose last night, but that did not come through. The two possible explanations to this are that

1. He was roleblocked.
2. He is lying.

I am more inclined to think that he was roleblocked, since it was too much of a risk for him to not protect tracker when he knew full well I would be voyeuring the tracker to see if he did.

So who is the roleblocker?

People claim to be:

1. Lybydose - Toyosatomimi no Miko (tracker)
3. Rantai - Youmu (seraph knight - targeted bmin11)
4. JInxyjem - Shikieiki (cop, possibly insane)
9. LadySuburu - Cirno (masonry with Rolled, 9% chance of kill)
10. Rolled - Daiyousei (masonry with LadySuburu, no other special ability)
11. 0_o Kiddo-kun DeathxShinigami - Yukari (1-shot commuter)
12. akrolsmir - unknown
13. Wojjan - Kanako (motivator)
14. bmin11 - Aya (watcher)
15. Raging Bull - Mokou (lyncher, lynchee unknown)
16. Salvage - unknown
17. Gabi Backfire - Reisen Udongein (2 kills, 1 protect)
18. KRZY - Hatate (voyeur)

Roleblocker must be either akrolsmir or Salvage then.

Care to explain, both?
KRZY
Oh and wojjan sorry, posted before reading thread ;_;
Wojjan
good game mafia 8-)
Lybydose
the only possible roleblocker (if backfire was really blocked) is JInxyjem
KRZY

Lybydose wrote:

the only possible roleblocker (if backfire was really blocked) is JInxyjem
how?
Lybydose
bmin watched backfire and saw only JInxyjem target him
KRZY

bmin11 wrote:

I watched Backfire. Apperantly, JInxyjem targetted Backfire on N2
X_X missed that

okay

so either jinxy is actually a roleblocker who false-claimed or backfire did not protect lyby.

vote: jinxy
Lybydose
Also what if the lyncher's target is also a lyncher, targeting the other lyncher? I mean it would make sense given the characters. That would put akrolsmir as the most likely to be Kaguya, as he seems pretty dead set on getting rid of Raging Bull.
Lybydose
unvote

don't know what vote count is right now, don't want to end the day yet

don't hammer or even L-1 until we decide on targets for the night
Wojjan
that lyncher lyncher thing makes sense. Dispose of one of them overnight and the other will be essentially a townie.
bmin11
So the only one left for Backfire to kill is DxS
Lybydose
no he would kill akrolsmir
bmin11
wait, that was the wrong person. I meant by Salvage
Lybydose
actually yeah, Salvage is the likely other mafia, so we could have him kill him instead.
Lybydose
Ok here's my proposed plan:

Lynch Jinxyjem.
bmin watches me.
Backfire kills Salvage.
KRZY voyeurs...someone. I'm not really sure who he should target.
Suburu attempts to kill akrolsmir.
I track someone but don't reveal who.
Wojjan
I guess Lyby's action depends on what the boost gets him. If you become a cop surplus though, be sure to check Backfire for realsies.
bmin: be on lyby. Rantai is on you, so they can't touch two of our auxes until he dies.
LS I guess stay put, if you want LS you can try to get your 9% to work on Salvage. He's an unclaimed unconfirmed townie, so if he's maf I guess good riddance.
I'll be on a mysterious random person tonight. KRZY if you happen to target my target don't out again <3 Maybe you want to be on Salvage too iunno.
Backfire, use a kill oneshot on either akro or raging bull, preferably Raging because he openly claimed lyncher already.

odds are either Rantai or KRZY or me will die tonight, but rantai is much higher on the maf's priorities. In any case though I'm just gonna clarify that even after my death my motivations still go through. Whoever I motivate tonight should still receive a boost the night after if they're still alive and I'm dead.
bmin11
KRZY should voyuer Salvage just in case. I don't know how, but I just don't want to deal with possible WIFOMs.
Wojjan
Lyby I'd actually much rather use the reliable oneshot kill on one of the two lynche(e/r)s because that breaks their thirdpartyhood. Makes the other a townie. Use the nineball kill on Salvage/DxS (mafia commuter? dunno) because if that one doesn't go through no worries because we still got the lynch after that. We can't lynch mokou or kaguya.
Lilac
Votecount:

JInx (3) - Wojjan, bmin11, KRZY
Raging Bull (1) - akrolsmir

It takes 7 to lynch. Around 3 more days, that should be it.
bmin11

Wojjan wrote:

Lyby I'd actually much rather use the reliable oneshot kill on one of the two lynche(e/r)s because that breaks their thirdpartyhood. Makes the other a townie. Use the nineball kill on Salvage/DxS (mafia commuter? dunno) because if that one doesn't go through no worries because we still got the lynch after that. We can't lynch mokou or kaguya.
Agree. Make Backfire to kill RB or Akro.
Lybydose
Ok, akrolsmir then.
Wojjan
let's go then, Night 3~ Vote JInxy now
Lybydose
Ok so

Backfire kills akrolsmir.
bmin11 watches me.
Suburu attempts to kill Salvage.

If JInxyjem turns up Cop on the lynch, that means either backfire was lying and is either a godfather or just really bad at being town or KRZY is a mafia voyeur (I find the latter unlikely).

So, I guess KRZY should watch akrolsmir then?

I won't announce my tracking target until tomorrow; Wojjan also picks someone town to motivate.

vote: JInxyjem
LadySuburu

Lybydose wrote:

Ok so

Backfire kills akrolsmir.
bmin11 watches me.
Suburu attempts to kill Salvage.

If JInxyjem turns up Cop on the lynch, that means either backfire was lying and is either a godfather or just really bad at being town or KRZY is a mafia voyeur (I find the latter unlikely).

So, I guess KRZY should watch akrolsmir then?

I won't announce my tracking target until tomorrow; Wojjan also picks someone town to motivate.

vote: JInxyjem
Yep, this all seems good.

Vote: JInxyjem

5/7
Salvage
Vote: JInxyjem
DeathxShinigami

Lybydose wrote:

Ok so

Backfire kills akrolsmir.
bmin11 watches me.
Suburu attempts to kill Salvage.

If JInxyjem turns up Cop on the lynch, that means either backfire was lying and is either a godfather or just really bad at being town or KRZY is a mafia voyeur (I find the latter unlikely).

So, I guess KRZY should watch akrolsmir then?

I won't announce my tracking target until tomorrow; Wojjan also picks someone town to motivate.

vote: JInxyjem
vote: JInxyjem

Ok.
Backfire
Vote : JInxyjem

Shoot akrolsmir. Got it.
Jinxy
Well, I am Cop. I don't know how the contradiction happened, but I am town.
Lynched in my sleep >_>
Lybydose
It doesn't matter. Even if you turn up cop, we just lynch Backfire tomorrow. With 14 alive we can afford like a billion mislynches anyway. A cop of an unknown sanity is a lot harder to confirm than a vigilante, and the risk of having a roleblocker running around is too great.
Lybydose
Oh another thing: if JInxy is really cop and Backfire is mafia and I die, bmin just watch Rantai every single night except tonight. You'll never die and Rantai will never die without you knowing who did it, so we just win if there is one mafia left.
Rolled
Okay guys, formally un-afking from this game now. Just took my test worth like 40% of my grade, so now my time is free.

Catching up on this and VG~
akrolsmir
Damn and I was going to claim cop with a result on Raging Bull.

Yeah, I'm Kaguya, Raging Bull being my lynchee. Shoot him instead please.
bmin11
@Backfire
Shoot whoever you hate. Options are RB or Akro.
Lybydose
Well yep if they're both going to claim lyncher, just pick one~

The plan to hit akrolsmir was just because he was less confirmed at the time.
akrolsmir
Well, now I'd like to think I'm more confirmed, just look at my past history of voting and attacks compared to RB's.

I suspect we might actually be bulletproof as someone mentioned earlier- the role PM said something about not being able to be killed so I'm supposed to try and lynch RB. Though again, test this on him not me.
Lybydose
Bulletproof lynchers that cause someone else to win when lynched?

How the hell are we supposed to stop them?

I guess town can win with them or something.
akrolsmir

Lybydose wrote:

I guess town can win with them or something.
Pretty sure this was the case, I think that lynching one would just have the other exit with a win. Wanna try it :D ?
Lybydose
Sure whatever.

Backfire shoot Raging Bull because he is significantly less useful than akrolsmir.

KRZY watch Raging Bull to confirm bulletproofness if he survives.
LadySuburu
Raging bull's post implied that he wasn't bulletproof or anything.

Akrols could also easilly be lying and trying to avoid being shot as mafia, since he was the planned target anyway.

No way to actually tell at this point. *shrug*
Lybydose
Raging bull's first post was "har har I'm vanilla"

then "o wait I have to take out my rival"
LadySuburu

Lybydose wrote:

Raging bull's first post was "har har I'm vanilla"

then "o wait I have to take out my rival"
Basically revealing himself as a lyncher renders the game unwinnable, but since I said to shoot him he just claimed anyway.

Akrols is doing the same thing, only he didn't have the chance to hide it. (Though he admitted attempting the cop gambit.)

Both could likely be telling the truth, and we may be better off shooting someone like Salvage or another unconfirmed like that or something. *shrug*

Do whatever, honestly. Let's just make sure the aux actions are all aligned properly.
Lybydose
I'm all for shooting Salvage, mostly because he's most likely to be the last mafia.
bmin11

I really hope this is the case for them. We can take the gambit of Townie winning with Lyncher, or just shoot one of them. Salvage being mafia or not will be deadly obvious once we lynch JInx.
Lybydose
Hmm why's that? I think he's pretty much mafia either way. Then the 3rd mafia is either jinx or backfire.
bmin11
Oh right
Salvage
Shoot me naw plz.
Lybydose
also pieguy has checked the forum several times and still no post. What's going on? phantom voters?

I came up with a better plan, so if the lynch actually hasn't happened yet, I'm going to unvote
Lybydose
The better plan:

Lynch Salvage
JInxy investigates DxS
Backfire kills JInxy
bmin watches me
I track Jinxy
KRZY watches Backfire
LS and Wojjan do whatever

If JInxy is mafia, he will die to backfire. In addition, I will see his night results in my investigation. He couldn't get away with blocking Backfire because he's being voyeur watched and I'm tracking him.

They can't kill me and block bmin to avoid results because backfire's shot would still go through.

If backfire is mafia, JInxy will survive. Alternatively, JInxy will die and be revealed as town. Nothing could cover for the fact that JInxy lived, as there should be no one protecting him.
Lybydose
Edit to plan:

KRZY watches JInxy instead to account for the possibility of a mafia doctor.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
JInxyjem has been lynched (actually quite a while ago)

Lynch scene coming in anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours... (You can keep talking until I post the lynch scene)
Lybydose
Ok back to original plan then:

Backfire kill Raging Bull
KRZY watch Raging Bull
bmin watch me
Suburu attempts to kill off Salvage
Salvage
my role does nothing anyways so i guess dying i'll clear the way for the real mafia guy.
Lybydose
Also note that the above plan is slightly different than before, you're hitting Raging Bull instead of akrolsmir
Lybydose

Salvage wrote:

my role does nothing anyways so i guess dying i'll clear the way for the real mafia guy.
well it's either you or DxS
Lybydose
or the ridiculous situation that both JInxy and Backfire are both mafia, which is certainly possible
Salvage
i don't mind being me , as you said there is plenny of misslynch/kills available and a high amount of confirmed towns , this game is pretty much done.
Raging Bull
Aww Oh well. Not bulletproof or anything. Good luck :(
KRZY
So akro still doesn't win the game as long as Raging Bull isn't lynched, right?

In other words, night action kill =/= lynch?
Raging Bull
Nah. He's gonna turn into a vanille townie
Raging Bull

JInxyjem wrote:

Well, I am Cop. I don't know how the contradiction happened, but I am town.
Lynched in my sleep >_>
Kinda why I roleclaimed since I expected akrol to do something while I sleep.
Backfire
You don't have to believe me, but I assure you, im town. ;w;
Lybydose
Well we'll find out as soon as JInxy's lynch is posted
Topic Starter
pieguyn
After some discussion, it was determined that Mystia Lorelei would be the one to go. After all, she enjoys confusing people and making them unable to see anything, and is able to do so just by singing to them. She could definitely cause a lot of trouble in this particular incident. She had a motive too, after being defeated multiple times in the past.

For this occasion, everyone decided that there was only one way to perform this particular lynch. They sent a group of two people into the forest. When they came back, they appeared to be wheeling a yakitori stand with them. As they returned, Mystia had a frightened look on her face, as she knew what was coming next. She started singing in order to confuse everyone, but someone immediately covered her mouth.

Regardless of whatever position she held in this incident, in her last moments, you could definitely tell she now regretted conning people with that stand...

JInxyjem - Mystia Lorelei (Mafia Roleblocker) - Lynched D3

It is now Night 3. Please send all night actions to either me or Lilac within 24 hours.
Salvage
edit : sry about this didn't see the lynch thing.
Jinxy
Oh hey I didn't die by yuyuko

Who knew Seraph Knights are still used
Topic Starter
pieguyn
(sorry for being late :cry:)

When everyone woke up, they weren't quite sure what to expect. After all, they had two deaths the first night, but zero the previous night. They did a head count, just in case, and found that two people were missing.

One of them was Cirno. They figured that since she was such an idiot, she probably just forgot about the whole thing. They went down to the lake by the Scarlet Devil Mansion in order to remind her what was going on, and they found her asleep.

"That idiot, falling asleep at a time like this..."

Then they woke Cirno up. Or at least they tried, and tried, and tried... It seems that Cirno is actually dead.

The other one, Fujiwara no Mokou, was supposed to be immortal, so she couldn't have possibly died. However, when they searched for her in the Bamboo Forest, she appeared to have fainted. Although she was supposed to be immortal, they figured that by the time she came to the entire incident might be over, so she was practically dead.

LadySuburu - Cirno (Mason + 9% Vigilante) - Nightkilled N3
Raging Bull - Fujiwara no Mokou (Lyncher*) - Nightkilled N3

*In this game, Mokou wins with town if her target is killed in another way, so she was considered part of the town

It is now Day 4. Deadline is Sunday, 3:02 GMT.
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