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Lybydose
hmm that's also a possiblity. The watcher doesn't claim at all and watches the tracker, who tracks himself? The tracker probably doesn't even need to claim either, as the watcher could probably figure it out (or if he can't, 50% chance anyway).
Lybydose
The problem though is that the mafia might just kill the watcher anyway and we're screwed. We currently have 14 players.

4 town have claimed already
3 (probably) mafia remaining
1 potential mislynch today

That leaves 6 possible watchers.

That gives mafia a 1/6 chance of randomly hitting the watcher. Then there are several people who are obviously not the watcher, so they could narrow it down even more. Probably risky at this point now that several people have claimed.
bmin11
1/6 doesn't seem to bad to me. Ofcourse, mafia may able to narrow it down...
LadySuburu
I don't like gambles like Wojjan or Bmin's plans, but it's also not solely my choice what we do.

At least now I know where wojjan's coming from.

Also, yeah. One of the flaws with wojjan's plan is that they just kill the watcher tonight. In that case, we're basically left with a weaker cop to perform one investigation.

Also Wojjan, we've still got a few days to discuss a lynch.. Day ends on tuesday if I remember reading right.


I'm fine with shooting in the dark, though I'd rather shoot someone I know is mafia.
Salvage
If i have to choose i prefeer LS's plan , i don't see how letting the watcher die it's a good idea at all .. but the other plans aren't thaaat bad anyways.


I just can't provide ideas cause i suck at making plans , sorry guys :( .. doing my best to analyze the ones already proposed tho ^_^.
bmin11
The watcher is likely to die if we go with LS's plan as well
Salvage
You're right , sorry .. just got it all wrong , any ideas on how to make it work without letting the watcher die so easily?.
Raging Bull
Actually I kinda like LS's plan since it gives us a sure chance to get a mafia. I don't usually like risks orz
Raging Bull
Maybe there's a doctor around that hasn't said a thing yet? :s
bmin11
Not having the Watcher to role claim and execute LS's plan (Trackers track themselve while Watcher watchs one of them. Voyeur, do whatever you want). The downside of this is if the mafia gets a lucky shot and kills the watcher by 1/6 chance, we end up not knowing who were the Trackers.
bmin11

Raging Bull wrote:

Maybe there's a doctor around that hasn't said a thing yet? :s
I really doubt there is. I don't think the doctor would have let Two get NK'd while clearly Two didn't guaranteed any kind of protection for himself.
Salvage

bmin11 wrote:

Not having the Watcher to role claim and execute LS's plan (Trackers track themselve while Watcher watchs one of them. Voyeur, do whatever you want). The downside of this is if the mafia gets a lucky shot and kills the watcher by 1/6 chance, we end up not knowing who were the Trackers.

Yes but that's just by chance , the other one involves the watcher dying 100% , ofc the results are more likely to happen but just letting our most informative aux role to die this early it's an option i'd rather not take.
bmin11
.......so you agree on Watcher not role claming?
Salvage
i prefeer it , yep.
bmin11
Sorry I was reading your post wrong orz
Anyway, it leaves to Watcher's decision now.
akrolsmir
Having a doctor isn't necessarily ruled out- Two did specifically say for protection roles not to target him IIRC. That said if you're the doctor please don't do something stupid like claiming.

I think that the watcher has already decided not to claim, given the time that has elapsed. How about we set a deadline, like if s/he haven't claimed by the end of Sunday then we will proceed under the assumption that s/he won't be doing so for the day, and move on from there?
Lybydose
how about DxS post like he said he was going to

vote: DxS
Rantai

akrolsmir wrote:

I think that the watcher has already decided not to claim, given the time that has elapsed. How about we set a deadline, like if s/he haven't claimed by the end of Sunday then we will proceed under the assumption that s/he won't be doing so for the day, and move on from there?
This seems the most practical way to go about this. Though if they die tonight without a claim I'm going to rage hard be sad.
Jinxy
Whew, that was a lot of words to digest.

bmin's plan sounds like it should work the best if the watcher decides not to claim. The tracker tracks himself and the watcher watches one of them, then reveals D3.

Also, FoS: DxS and Backfire
DxS prodded Backfire and then stopped talking, and Backfire responded to that prod and then stopped talking. Reading the thread shouldn't take so long, and if they were, then they wouldn't have time to prod/respond to prods.
bmin11
I can give DxS another day since he just finished reading I assume. However, Backfire should be capable of posting :<
Salvage
I find Raging bull way more suspicious on the way he posts ..i think you're mafia bull .. what do you have to say about that
KRZY
You know, in this game, people have this magical tendency to appear out of nowhere when they are voted on.

Vote: Backfire

It's been 12hrs since you've been prodded. Surely that is ample time to read the thread, re-read, and come up with a preference for one of the plans suggested.







It looks like we're heading in a direction where the Watcher has the final say on which plan we proceed with. I'm content with that, but Watcher, if you're gonna claim, I'd do it sooner rather than later because that obviously gives us more time to think about the now-petty things that might add up to a considerable change of results after D2 and N2.
Backfire
Oh uhh, Plan A. I wasnt even aware you wanted eveeyones opinion (plus I dont know what yourr talking about).

Role claiming reisen. I get 2 night kills and 1 protect. Perhaps that clears things up. Im not mafia ^_^;

By the way, I have strep throat and diarreah. I sincerely apologize for being absent.
Raging Bull

Salvage wrote:

I find Raging bull way more suspicious on the way he posts ..i think you're mafia bull .. what do you have to say about that

And why is that? Because I don't scum hunt? I gave my reason.
LadySuburu

Backfire wrote:

Role claiming reisen. I get 2 night kills and 1 protect. Perhaps that clears things up. Im not mafia ^_^;
Did you use an action last night?
Backfire
Nope. I did not.
Backfire
Oh god am I doing this wrong </3
LadySuburu

Backfire wrote:

Nope. I did not.
How many of your actions can you use per night?
Backfire
Iirc just one per night.
Raging Bull
Oh so he was sort of the equivalent to doctor >_> I think it would have been nice to been quiet about that so you can protect tracker :v
Backfire
I realized that about ten seconds after I said it. However, I just want to be safe T-T
LadySuburu
I'm now more in favor of Wojjan's plan, since we have an extra backup. (Or lying scum, but that won't be too hard to discover.)

I'm not sure on the ideal setup for this, so this is just brainstorming. Feel free to post alternatives.


Scenario A: We lynch the tracker when we scumhunt the two names.

Actions: Backfire kills the mafia. Watcher watches backfire. KRZY voyeur's backfire. Wojjan motivates me.

Reasons: This should roughly confirm Backfire entirely, since none of the rest of us should be targeting Backfire. This also basically guarentees Backfire lives through the night or we get other vital information (Mafia names or Mafia roles, or both).

Downfalls: This leaves our 4 other power roles vulnerable. (Watcher, Voyeur, Motivator, and me (Which in all honesty I'm not that important until the night after tonight. Though, I get my kill if not killed tonight.)

Alternatives: Different targeting order, but I couldn't think of a better setup. However, if you think of a better alternative please say so.



Scenario B: We lynch the mafia tonight.

Actions: Backfire protects tracker. Watcher watches Backfire. KRZY voyeur's backfire. Tracker tracks someone.

Reasons This basically ensures tracker lives through the night, or we'll get vital information (Mafia names and potentially roles.) In this situation if backfire was lying we're guarenteed to catch him.

Problems: Still leaves Watcher, Voyeur, Motivator, and me vulnerable.

Alternatives: A ton. If you can think of a better one say it.


Again, this is all brainstorming. However with backfire's claim either he's mafia or we have a powerful power role ready. As stated above, I believe Wojjan's plan might be better now.
Rantai
Uh. Might I ask how does Reisen fit in with 2 kills and 1 protect?

It doesn't seem to fit with the character as far as I know. Though I admit I only know as far as whatever the game provides.
LadySuburu

Rantai wrote:

Uh. Might I ask how does Reisen fit in with 2 kills and 1 protect?

It doesn't seem to fit with the character as far as I know. Though I admit I only know as far as whatever the game provides.
Not quite sure honestly. I'm going to guess she can induce madness to do them but *shrug*

However the claim is an easy one to test regardless of flavor.
Raging Bull
Well if we go with Wojjan's plan with backfire as the killer/protector. We can tell if backfire is lying or not :v
Wojjan
I like my plan too :)
Also the grandest thing about me motivating you and having backfire still around means that when we do get to the point of a mafia hidden in a bunch of unconfirmed your killing shot plus his killing shot means that we can just weed them all out at once when we get there.

I'm totes fine with LS' rendition of my plan but have the voyeur on the tracker as well in case we lynch the mafia. If the voyeur is also on the tracker we can confirm Backfire did indeed protect the tracker, thus clearing him.
Wojjan
Actually though now I feel more strongly (sorry Cirno) for motivating Backfire since having more kills/protects around is always awesome.
LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

Actually though now I feel more strongly (sorry Cirno) for motivating Backfire since having more kills/protects around is always awesome.
The only real problem is that he's not confirmed, so if you motivate him and he is scum we may have bad stuffs happen.

Otherwise, I'd be 100% for motivating someone more useful than I am.
Raging Bull
Maybe motivate after he is confirmed town? Although it will delay the motivation since Wojjan's own happens a day later ._.
Wojjan
Well my motivations still go through after I die but with a watcher and tracker on their backs I'm sure mafs have bigger fish to fry than Backfire.
Backfire
Hmm, you know, the whole Reisen killing and healing thing didn't make much sense to me either. More or less, you'd have to read it to understand. As far as I know, Im not allowed to quote the whole pm or anything, right? I can at least sum it up for you guys, if thats allowed.
Jinxy
I think I understand why Reisen's role is like that. Kills -> Madness inducers, Protects -> Eirin's assistant.

I find it impressive that out of 3 characters, Gabi just had to get his favourite character, lol
Rantai
First in first served they say.

Anyway alright I'll have to go under the assumption that it's correct (we'll find out anyway as you say).

I have no qualms with this set of plans either, or at least I can't find an outstanding reason to think otherwise.
Wojjan
prod or replace DxS. He has had ample time to catch up.
Salvage

Raging Bull wrote:

And why is that? Because I don't scum hunt? I gave my reason.

cause you post useless stuff and then doctor rolefish , but hey .. you found the 'doctor' , so what would you do if you were mafia now?.




regarding the change of plans cause of the new claim i guess we all agree that Wojjan's plan it's the more sittuable right now .. :)
Backfire
By the way, Im fairly sure DxS and Raging Bull are the guys we're looking for. But you didnt hear it from me.
akrolsmir
The plans sound good for now, though I'm worried that the watcher has decided not to claim for reasons unknown. Give him or her another 12 hours and then plan from there?

Backfire wrote:

By the way, Im fairly sure DxS and Raging Bull are the guys we're looking for.
Both seem scummy in their own way, if their names are the ones that come up it'd be hard to decide who's guilty.
DeathxShinigami
Hi there. Well according to this "so called plan" I still have yet to see a target.

Oh and I'm still pretty sure Backfire has no idea how to play this game.
Backfire
I know how to play to some extent.
Lybydose

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Hi there. Well according to this "so called plan" I still have yet to see a target.

Oh and I'm still pretty sure Backfire has no idea how to play this game.
What? "See a target"? What are you talking about? Are you the watcher or not?

Btw I believe the claim that backfire is reisen. He replaced Gabi, who is very likely to have chosen Reisen. Dunno about the actual ability though.
Wojjan
Backfire said that the flavor is very defining for his role, which is also the case for me. Kanako was an evil mastermind responsible for the main plot of at leat four main games by now so her being a motivator instead of a mafia roleblocker was a bit of a stretch.

DxS, we work by "first you make a sentence, then you ask a question." Are you the watcher? Reread the thread and the plan states exactly who the watcher should be on.
bmin11
Sorry for being away. I was participating on some event. Anyway, I won't hold any longer because Backfire role claimed (better odds for Wojjan's plan and worse odds for LS (+ me)'s plan)

Role Claim: Shameimaru Aya

And the result: KRZY, Mashley, Wojjan, Lybydose, and Chris



For new plans LS suggested, Plan A looks perfect as long as we don't have a role blocker. Plan B should be fine, but just a tweak Wojjan suggested (Voyeur targetting the Tracker to insure Backfire indeed protected the Tracker) will make it quite solid.





Back to my result. As you can see, Lyby and Chris are the two people who are likely to be the Tracker and the Mafia. I'm leaning Chris as he vanished after pursuing to not use of KRZY's result and blindly scum hunt just like we would do on D1. Ofcourse, it was a matter of Risk vs Reward, but we needed a way to use any information we had on the table to scum hunt for the least.

Vote: Chris
bmin11
Sorry for delaying my role claim if I gotten anyone annoyed
Chris_old
roleclaim: Momiji Inubashiri

guess I have no choice since you are destined to be bad and roleclaim
Raging Bull

Salvage wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

And why is that? Because I don't scum hunt? I gave my reason.

cause you post useless stuff and then doctor rolefish , but hey .. you found the 'doctor' , so what would you do if you were mafia now?.




regarding the change of plans cause of the new claim i guess we all agree that Wojjan's plan it's the more sittuable right now .. :)

I didn't exactly say whoever is doctor go and roleclaim now. I was merely commenting on if there's a doctor around, they should protect tracker in LS' plan
bmin11

Chris wrote:

roleclaim: Momiji Inubashiri

guess I have no choice since you are destined to be bad and roleclaim
So you are also a watcher? What's your result if that's the case?

nvm and are you willing to give us your result as a Tracker?
Chris_old

bmin11 wrote:

Chris wrote:

roleclaim: Momiji Inubashiri

guess I have no choice since you are destined to be bad and roleclaim
So you are also a watcher? What's your result if that's the case?

nvm and are you willing to give us your result as a Tracker?
two switched rolled and me
akrolsmir

bmin11 wrote:

as long as we don't have a role blocker
Dammit, forgot about that. Any complex plan I can conceive of falls apart if they have a roleblocker, which isn't unlikely given that one of the scum was already weakened by being a lover. Not to mention the number of aux roles we have running around. It doesn't even have to be a roleblocker- a silencer could accomplish a similar thing. Basically a mafia power role could severely interfere with our plans, which is likely present to balance out the town aux roles.

I guess... we continue with lynching one of Lybydose or chris (I'll wait for Lybydose to present his case before voting), and if we mislynch we try again tomorrow. Meanwhile aux roles individually come up with a plan but don't reveal it?
Chris_old

akrolsmir wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

as long as we don't have a role blocker
Dammit, forgot about that. Any complex plan I can conceive of falls apart if they have a roleblocker, which isn't unlikely given that one of the scum was already weakened by being a lover. Not to mention the number of aux roles we have running around. It doesn't even have to be a roleblocker- a silencer could accomplish a similar thing. Basically a mafia power role could severely interfere with our plans, which is likely present to balance out the town aux roles.

I guess... we continue with lynching one of Lybydose or chris (I'll wait for Lybydose to present his case before voting), and if we mislynch we try again tomorrow. Meanwhile aux roles individually come up with a plan but don't reveal it?
If everyone wouldn't of roleclaimed like I said everything would still be fine.

Bmin wouldn't be dead tonight, not to mention the rest of us getting picked off one by one. I don't know what any of you were thinking claiming before bmin did though, wow.

Half of you didn't even have a reason to, just gave more names to add to the list of confirmed town to kill.

gj
Backfire
I had originally planned to tell anyone my role, but I was accused of being mafia and panicked...;3;
Lybydose
oh hi guys I'm the tracker Toyosatomimi no Miko. I guess I can sense people's desires or some such to figure out who they target.

D1 I didn't question Two's plan at all simply because even if there were not a watcher, I could verify both Two and Mashley as town by tracking Two (which I did).

D2 I gave the hint that I was one of KRZY's voyeur results, which Rolled picked up on. Also, here I was questioning if LS targeted KRZY to get her conflicting results: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=62671&p=1053565#p1053565

The reason I asked this specific question is because Two actually swapped KRZY and Rolled. Had LS's result come from targeting KRZY, it would have been because the ability was bus driven. Then Wojjan claimed and explained the whole thing.

Also, this post I mention that my claim order plan was to get Tracker as the duplicate claim: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=62671&p=1055048#p1055048 well that was just so that it would be really obvious to me who was mafia, rather than having to judge two motivators if they were both suspicious people and/or lurkers.
Lybydose
oh yeah another thing. I didn't completely rule out the possibility of a Mafia Watcher either (it's been known to happen). This is why I didn't claim earlier - if the 2nd person claimed anything other than Tracker (this would happen if the 2nd person really was town and the mafia watcher was giving false results to paint someone as scum), it would lead me to believe that the watcher was mafia. That didn't happen.
KRZY
So if I was swapped with Rolled, does that mean the motivator had actually targeted me?
Lybydose
No, Wojjan's said he was able to motivate someone Day 1 AND Night 1. So Day 1 he targeted Rolled and Night 1 he targeted Two. The bus only has effect at night.
Lybydose
Ok guys let's go with plan C. What's plan C you ask? It's called "lynch chris cause he's mafia".

So wait wouldn't this plan suck if I turned out to be the mafia? No, because backfire would just shoot me if chris flips town. What if backfire is mafia though? You guys could just lynch him if I didn't die. And if he gets blocked? Voyeur/watcher combo verifies that.

Of course none of that is necessary because i'm town.

unvote; vote: chris
LadySuburu
In my opinion, Lyby's claim is much stronger.

Vote: Chris
Rolled
zzz I'm really sorry guys. This past week has been kind of hectic, and I'm going to be pretty busy until around tuesday. If you'd like, I can find a replacement. Until then I'll try to remain as active as possible, I just don't like putting any less than 100% into these games, and it's pretty fast moving.

vote: Chris, as he's the only person from this list I didn't feel was near confirmed town.
Salvage
fair enough to me



vote : Chris
Chris_old
Oh well.

I do just want to point out that Lybydose was the one who was so for everyone claiming to begin with, and thanks to that mafia knows exactly who they need to kill. There wont be any useless kills, because now we're all lined up already. thx

It really doesn't matter to Lybydose if they die tomorrow if they're just able to get a mislynch off today, since that would not only eliminate the tracker but the watcher would die tonight and I'm sure Backfire would get roleblocked. You finally lynch Lybydose tomorrow and you're stuck at square one because only the voyeur is left and nobody else.

gj mafia no sarcasm
Salvage
also i don't have any problem if Rolled doesn't post since he's atleast Pro-town , and we could use some of him later lmao


and the "new" plan seems pretty cool , let's get this day over with peeps.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Votecount:

Chris (5) - bmin11, Lybydose, LadySuburu, Rolled, Salvage
Raging Bull (1) - akrolsmir
Salvage (1) - Rantai
Backfire (1) - KRZY

8 votes are required to lynch.

Deadline is in 22:58 hours
akrolsmir
unvote, vote: Chris

Now we need to figure what we do tonight. Options:

1. Somebody comes up with a seamless plan that will resolve despite mafia disruption (via roleblock/nk'ing)
2. Each aux decides his/her own actions to avoid disruption
2a. We come up with some semblance of a plan to confuse scum, but then auxes don't follow it. Unless they choose to. WIFOM GO GO
bmin11
Is Alice (the mafia Q brought down with him) a part of some kind of a group? If she is, we may able to guess some possible characters and their roles.
Raging Bull
On Touhou wiki her powers are Magic and puppetry. It could be possible role blocking (Magic). Not sure what puppetry would be.


Vote Chris
Chris_old
vote: Chris
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Chris has been lynched

Death scene coming in a few minutes...
akrolsmir
Actually unvote, that's closer to lynch than I'm comfortable with before we've had time to discuss any points somebody else might want to bring up.
akrolsmir
****.... vote: Raging Bull
Chris_old
I'm jester
Raging Bull
Eh? Lynches are automatically once they have majority? I thought it's till the end of the day.
Chris_old

Raging Bull wrote:

Eh? Lynches are automatically once they have majority? I thought it's till the end of the day.
8 to end the day
Lilac
11. Once a lynch occurs the Day is considered to be over. Please, please, PLEASE do not post again until the next Day begins, especially if you are the player who was just lynched. (I accept talking beforehand as long as I haven't posted the lynch scene yet.)

SHUT UP. Even though it seems I accept talking beforehand... Ah well. Discussing with pieguy now.
Chris_old

Lilac wrote:

11. Once a lynch occurs the Day is considered to be over. Please, please, PLEASE do not post again until the next Day begins, especially if you are the player who was just lynched. (I accept talking beforehand as long as I haven't posted the lynch scene yet.)

SHUT UP.
(I accept talking beforehand as long as I haven't posted the lynch scene yet.)
Lilac

Lilac wrote:

Even though it seems I accept talking beforehand... Ah well. Discussing with pieguy now.
Don't edit out my posts, Chris... I know you included it before.
Chris_old

Lilac wrote:

Lilac wrote:

Even though it seems I accept talking beforehand... Ah well. Discussing with pieguy now.
Don't edit out my posts, Chris... I know you included it before.
I saw your original~
Chris_old
oh well gg everybody

going to bed good night
Lilac
Even though I can change the rules at any time?
Two_old
you can only change the rules so much before people stop respecting any or all of them
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Hakurei Shrine

After a while, a few rumors spread among a lot of people stalking others during the night in order to find out who the mafia was. One of them, Inubashiri Momiji, seemed quite off.

"I'm Momiji! I'm only here to cover this incident. I would never kill anyone! Never!"

After some conversation, everyone sensed something was wrong. Eventually, she ran off, and everyone followed her. What they found, however, was not Momiji but instead a rather large catfish. At that point, they decided that the catfish had to go. Everyone chased after it and the catfish ran as fast as he could...

Until he saw the person that he feared the most.

Hong Meiling.

Knowing from the incident in Hisoutensoku, this wasn't going to go well at all. Not to mention that all spell cards are gone so all he could do was flop around and try to squish her, so he tried.

Oh, how he tried only to merely fail. It seems that Meiling has more strength than she looks.

Chris - Unnamed Giant Catfish (Mafia 2-shot Strongman) - Lynched D2.

It is now Night 2. Please send all night actions to either me or Lilac within 22 hours (sorry, it's 22 and not 24 this time).

P.S. I accept talking before I post the lynch scene.

EDIT: Just saw akrolsmir's post. Sorry, you can't unvote after I post that someone has been lynched >.<
akrolsmir

pieguy1372 wrote:

EDIT: Just saw akrolsmir's post. Sorry, you can't unvote after I post that someone has been lynched >.<
Yeah I know. I had been ninja'd by you and chris, so whatever. For the record I'm still voting for Raging Bull though :D .
Topic Starter
pieguyn
When everyone woke, they all knew what to expect: one or more people missing. Everyone left gathered at the Hakurei Shrine in order to determine who died. They started with a head count: "1, 2, ...

12, 13"


...

Everyone suddenly stared at each other. Apparently, no one died last night.

It is now Day 3. Deadline is Saturday, 05:48 GMT.
Lybydose
Ok then.

Pretty much confirmed town:

Lybydose
LadySuburu
Rolled
Wojjan
bmin11
KRZY

Maybe town:

Backfire

Unknown:

Rantai
JInxyjem
DeathxShinigami
akrolsmir
Raging Bull
Salvage

Also, I highly doubt DxS is mafia.

bmin and KRZY, who did you guys watch last night?
akrolsmir
Obligatory call for claimed auxes to reveal results... Ninja'd by Lybydose.

vote: Raging Bull Unless one of our auxes comes up with a much better idea.
Raging Bull
I assume Backfire didn't attack so maybe protected. Probably have to wait till he confirms.
bmin11
I watched Backfire. Apperantly, JInxyjem targetted Backfire on N2
Raging Bull
I guess we have to wait for KRZY for the list of actions. Although I'm curious what Jinyx was doing since there was no deaths.
Lybydose
Also, let me explain why I believe DxS to be non-mafia.

At the end of Day 1, right near the end, Chris (confirmed mafia) moved his vote onto Kiddo-kun/DxS and convinced Two to do the same. This would have been an incredibly bold move on his part if Kiddo/DxS were mafia, as he was opening him up for a last second lynch. He knew that Q was town and most likely did NOT know that animask/Q were lovers, as that's the norm for the lover role - no one knows except those two players, and they can't claim.

Even if he did know that animask was tied to Q, it would have made sense for him to push for a DxS lynch over Q if DxS were town.
bmin11
I also want Backfire to tell us what he did for N2
Lybydose
yep, Backfire's action is probably the most important piece of the puzzle.
DeathxShinigami
I'll tell you that I absolutly did nothing because GOD DAMN KIDDO-KUN already used my power :x

Oh and you're right Lybydose.
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