Prod: Backfire

Heading to work soon. Will finish reading the thread on my mobile. Will post tonight.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Prod: Backfire

Heading to work soon. Will finish reading the thread on my mobile. Will post tonight.

Prod? Im right here :l Unless prod means something else.

yeah i think LS's plan it's better than the other ones suggested till now


i don't find the watcher claiming a really good idea , but with everything LS said it's one of the best choices so far .. plus i can't really find a good plan involving the watcher not to claim ..

LadySuburu wrote:

I don't see how we're losing anything.

We're losing the tracker

Wojjan wrote:

We're losing the tracker

How is that different than any other situation where the watcher claims and gives us the names?

That we can scumhunt those two names and make an educated guess to their alignments. We don't have Two but that doesn't mean we can't hit mafia.

Wojjan wrote:

That we can scumhunt those two names and make an educated guess to their alignments. We don't have Two but that doesn't mean we can't hit mafia.

By the way, one of those two names is the tracker.

The mafia knows which one is the tracker.

Tonight the mafia kills that one.

We lose the tracker.

No difference.


Unless I'm missing something?

the watcher is on the tracker. The mafia loses two mafia. Not really a gambit I'd take if I were them, with already a member down

Wojjan wrote:

the watcher is on the tracker. The mafia loses two mafia. Not really a gambit I'd take if I were them, with already a member down

So if I'm following correctly, this is what you want:

50% chance of lynching the tracker and losing another power role at night, have just the one confirmed mafia.

50% chance of lynching mafia and losing the tracker at night, gain another mafia name next night.

VS

100% chance of not lynching the tracker, and a chance of lynching a different mafia

Basically 100% chance of tracker dying at night. We get the one confirmed mafia.



Is that about right?

I was thinking if we just let the watcher target one of the two people without role claiming. We don't have to know the result from the watch to perform LS's plan. This way, the voyeur would be able to do his own thing for the night as well and not risk the chance of losing a watcher for the night.

bmin11 wrote:

I was thinking if we just let the watcher target one of the two people without role claiming.

Then the mafia will go after the voyeur or the watcher, and both tracker and maf will probably stay unconfirmed. The tracker won't be needing a counterclaim, but since they killed the watcher already the tracker dies next night regardless of the voyeur.

and both tracker and maf will probably stay unconfirmed

According to LS's plan, trackers will track themselve. Once the watcher targets one of them for the night and figures if the person targetted himself or not, the watcher can just role claim on D3 and tell us the result of it. I think it would be fairly obvious at that point.

but since they killed the watcher

I doubt the watcher will survive this night if watcher role claims, because I'm also doubting there would be a doctor if we look at the night result. Not a sane doctor would let a double night kill happen knowing there were no guarantees Two had a protective ability. IF we have the watcher not to role claim, we would be taking a 1/6 chance of losing a watcher.

LadySuburu wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

the watcher is on the tracker. The mafia loses two mafia. Not really a gambit I'd take if I were them, with already a member down

So if I'm following correctly, this is what you want:

50% chance of lynching the tracker and losing another power role at night, have just the one confirmed mafia.

50% chance of lynching mafia and losing the tracker at night, gain another mafia name next night.

VS

100% chance of not lynching the tracker, and a chance of lynching a different mafia

Basically 100% chance of tracker dying at night. We get the one confirmed mafia.



Is that about right?

Basically, yes. The chance of lynching another mafia today that doesn't counterclaim the tracker is slim, because hardly anyone has even discussed the lynch yet, everyone discusses what we'll do tonight. That's important but nothing to lynch on. The odds of lynching town or mafia while not considering the tracker is more leaning towards lynching town than lynching the two mafs I suspect remain in the group.

The odds of lynching the maf that cc's the tracker are one out of two, and we can check for ourselves which claim we think is the most believable.

In your situation that's 2/8 chance we lynch a maf today, and 100% for killing the next when we lose the tracker. so 2/8 for two mafs. That's 14 - KRZY, Watcher, Rolled, LS, Wojjan, Tracker

WARNING: PROBABILITY FOLLOWS HERE

Let's say there's two mafia left. The first choice will be to lynch the mafia correctly. That's a fifty percent chance, but it's a chance that we can influence with scumtells and the like. I'm going to assume we do lynch the mafia correctly.

The next night, the mafia will probably kill the watcher, because he'll be on the tracker. That means there'll be two mafia among 16 living players. Let's exclude uncc'd, confirmed town players (KRZY, Rolled, LS, Wojjan, Tracker). That leaves 8. From those, we can either take two paths. The tracker has a result on a mafia, which is a 2/8 chance. If this doesn't happen, we're left with 7 townies (because a tracker result that's not on the dead guy will exclude them from being mafia) among which we have 2 mafs still hiding. If we lynch a maf correctly after that, it's a 1/5 chance for lynching the last maf, and we have at least three mislynches (IMCAC) to do so. So that's 1/5,1/4,1/3. Basically, the chance that we WON'T hit the last mafia is (2*3*4)/(3*4*5) which is 50% again. If we don't ever hit mafia, the odds will be 2/5, 2/4, 2/3 and that makes a 1/10 chance.

so that's a 1/4 chance that we lynch all mafias on a bad day, and 9/20 on a good day, and that's relying only on chance, assuming there are NO more power roles, no more investigation, and no more lucky breaks from any power roles to out maf.

As far as mafia games go those are pretty nice odds. At least, to my calculations, better than yours.

Ok, this was my original plan for determining which of the two tracker claims were mafia:

Tracker A, voyeur, and watcher all go to the same target.
Tracker B tracks the motivator, who doesn't reveal his target.

B is determined scum if he can't correctly identify the motivator's target.
A is determined scum if watcher/voyeur results don't add up.

I also had a separate plan for if the duplicate claim was motivator, but I preferred this plan over that one. This is why I was proposing a certain claim order, as I wanted the tracker to be the duplicate claim instead of motivator.

Now then, since Wojjan is probably actually just targeting LS now, that plan doesn't really work. So, we could instead have Tracker A track LadySuburu instead. LS picks a target at random (or not!) and doesn't reveal it. It's highly unlikely it result in a misfired kill since it's only a 9% chance.

Oh yeah, and if the mafia just decides to kill the real tracker, they just narrow it down for us and the fake tracker is left. This is also preferable to them killing the watcher, since the watcher is a more valuable role than the tracker.

you mean less valuable but I hear ya.

Also I'll gladly mix it up between some of the confirmed townies. We've got a pretty list of auxes already, so I can target a random if LS isn't cool with taking a shot in the dark.

oops I meant Tracker B but whatever, you know what I mean.

Watcher is more valuable than Tracker because it's easier to predict which person the mafia will target at night than it is to predict who is mafia AND which one is going to perform the kill that night. And even then it could just be some other aux that just happened to target the same person as the mafia that night.

fakedit: the one problem I see though is when they kill me. I won't be around to verify the results, and if I boost a mafia member by accident (which probably won't happen) or if my target dies before receiving the boost we don't know for sure.

if they waste the kill on you, the voyeur and watcher survive to confirm the other tracker as either a real tracker or "isn't actually a tracker"

Lybydose wrote:

Watcher is more valuable than Tracker because it's easier to predict which person the mafia will target at night than it is to predict who is mafia AND which one is going to perform the kill that night. And even then it could just be some other aux that just happened to target the same person as the mafia that night.

Actually disagree. Watcher is good for a semiprotection role where the mafia have to sacrifice a member to kill someone, but tracker can definitely confirm a lot of people for "not mafia" most of the time.

Been reading the thread, and it's all pretty self-explanatory EXCEPT...

Wojjan wrote:

Oh and I guess I'll boost you tonight giving you probably a 99% chance of killing? HAve fun as a vig I guess

Okay, so how does this work? Afaik a motivator grants his/her target with an extra action, and the probability of killing a target in two attempts, when your kill percentage is 9%, is not 99%, but rather 17%.

Also this is all moot if the watcher doesn't claim, so hurry up and claim already.

We still don't have a lynch target for today.

If I had to make a guess, the watcher is DxS. He's still "reading the thread"

@KRZY: what the motivator actually does it up to the host. The default case is to give another action, but it's not uncommon for the motivator to "enhance" the role in some way. For example, it might "upgrade" a role, say by making a tracker into an actual cop. Or give masons daychat. Or turn a normal kill into a strongman kill.

NoHItter did something like this in his TF2 mafia game.

Lybydose wrote:

@KRZY: what the motivator actually does it up to the host. The default case is to give another action, but it's not uncommon for the motivator to "enhance" the role in some way. For example, it might "upgrade" a role, say by making a tracker into an actual cop. Or give masons daychat. Or turn a normal kill into a strongman kill.

NoHItter did something like this in his TF2 mafia game.

Ah I see. Thanks for the clarification.

So, no thoughts about Watcher targetting a tracker and role claiming on D2? We would get the same result + Watcher and Tracker may have a chance of surviving the night.

hmm that's also a possiblity. The watcher doesn't claim at all and watches the tracker, who tracks himself? The tracker probably doesn't even need to claim either, as the watcher could probably figure it out (or if he can't, 50% chance anyway).

The problem though is that the mafia might just kill the watcher anyway and we're screwed. We currently have 14 players.

4 town have claimed already
3 (probably) mafia remaining
1 potential mislynch today

That leaves 6 possible watchers.

That gives mafia a 1/6 chance of randomly hitting the watcher. Then there are several people who are obviously not the watcher, so they could narrow it down even more. Probably risky at this point now that several people have claimed.

1/6 doesn't seem to bad to me. Ofcourse, mafia may able to narrow it down...

I don't like gambles like Wojjan or Bmin's plans, but it's also not solely my choice what we do.

At least now I know where wojjan's coming from.

Also, yeah. One of the flaws with wojjan's plan is that they just kill the watcher tonight. In that case, we're basically left with a weaker cop to perform one investigation.

Also Wojjan, we've still got a few days to discuss a lynch.. Day ends on tuesday if I remember reading right.


I'm fine with shooting in the dark, though I'd rather shoot someone I know is mafia.

If i have to choose i prefeer LS's plan , i don't see how letting the watcher die it's a good idea at all .. but the other plans aren't thaaat bad anyways.


I just can't provide ideas cause i suck at making plans , sorry guys .. doing my best to analyze the ones already proposed tho ^_^.

The watcher is likely to die if we go with LS's plan as well

You're right , sorry .. just got it all wrong , any ideas on how to make it work without letting the watcher die so easily?.

Actually I kinda like LS's plan since it gives us a sure chance to get a mafia. I don't usually like risks orz

Maybe there's a doctor around that hasn't said a thing yet? :s

Not having the Watcher to role claim and execute LS's plan (Trackers track themselve while Watcher watchs one of them. Voyeur, do whatever you want). The downside of this is if the mafia gets a lucky shot and kills the watcher by 1/6 chance, we end up not knowing who were the Trackers.

Raging Bull wrote:

Maybe there's a doctor around that hasn't said a thing yet? :s

I really doubt there is. I don't think the doctor would have let Two get NK'd while clearly Two didn't guaranteed any kind of protection for himself.

bmin11 wrote:

Not having the Watcher to role claim and execute LS's plan (Trackers track themselve while Watcher watchs one of them. Voyeur, do whatever you want). The downside of this is if the mafia gets a lucky shot and kills the watcher by 1/6 chance, we end up not knowing who were the Trackers.

Yes but that's just by chance , the other one involves the watcher dying 100% , ofc the results are more likely to happen but just letting our most informative aux role to die this early it's an option i'd rather not take.

.......so you agree on Watcher not role claming?

i prefeer it , yep.

Sorry I was reading your post wrong orz
Anyway, it leaves to Watcher's decision now.

Having a doctor isn't necessarily ruled out- Two did specifically say for protection roles not to target him IIRC. That said if you're the doctor please don't do something stupid like claiming.

I think that the watcher has already decided not to claim, given the time that has elapsed. How about we set a deadline, like if s/he haven't claimed by the end of Sunday then we will proceed under the assumption that s/he won't be doing so for the day, and move on from there?

how about DxS post like he said he was going to

vote: DxS

akrolsmir wrote:

I think that the watcher has already decided not to claim, given the time that has elapsed. How about we set a deadline, like if s/he haven't claimed by the end of Sunday then we will proceed under the assumption that s/he won't be doing so for the day, and move on from there?

This seems the most practical way to go about this. Though if they die tonight without a claim I'm going to rage hard be sad.

Whew, that was a lot of words to digest.

bmin's plan sounds like it should work the best if the watcher decides not to claim. The tracker tracks himself and the watcher watches one of them, then reveals D3.

Also, FoS: DxS and Backfire
DxS prodded Backfire and then stopped talking, and Backfire responded to that prod and then stopped talking. Reading the thread shouldn't take so long, and if they were, then they wouldn't have time to prod/respond to prods.

I can give DxS another day since he just finished reading I assume. However, Backfire should be capable of posting :<

I find Raging bull way more suspicious on the way he posts ..i think you're mafia bull .. what do you have to say about that

You know, in this game, people have this magical tendency to appear out of nowhere when they are voted on.

Vote: Backfire

It's been 12hrs since you've been prodded. Surely that is ample time to read the thread, re-read, and come up with a preference for one of the plans suggested.







It looks like we're heading in a direction where the Watcher has the final say on which plan we proceed with. I'm content with that, but Watcher, if you're gonna claim, I'd do it sooner rather than later because that obviously gives us more time to think about the now-petty things that might add up to a considerable change of results after D2 and N2.

Oh uhh, Plan A. I wasnt even aware you wanted eveeyones opinion (plus I dont know what yourr talking about).

Role claiming reisen. I get 2 night kills and 1 protect. Perhaps that clears things up. Im not mafia ^_^;

By the way, I have strep throat and diarreah. I sincerely apologize for being absent.

Salvage wrote:

I find Raging bull way more suspicious on the way he posts ..i think you're mafia bull .. what do you have to say about that

And why is that? Because I don't scum hunt? I gave my reason.

Backfire wrote:

Role claiming reisen. I get 2 night kills and 1 protect. Perhaps that clears things up. Im not mafia ^_^;

Did you use an action last night?

Nope. I did not.

Oh god am I doing this wrong </3

Backfire wrote:

Nope. I did not.

How many of your actions can you use per night?

Iirc just one per night.

Oh so he was sort of the equivalent to doctor >_> I think it would have been nice to been quiet about that so you can protect tracker :v

I realized that about ten seconds after I said it. However, I just want to be safe T-T

I'm now more in favor of Wojjan's plan, since we have an extra backup. (Or lying scum, but that won't be too hard to discover.)

I'm not sure on the ideal setup for this, so this is just brainstorming. Feel free to post alternatives.


Scenario A: We lynch the tracker when we scumhunt the two names.

Actions: Backfire kills the mafia. Watcher watches backfire. KRZY voyeur's backfire. Wojjan motivates me.

Reasons: This should roughly confirm Backfire entirely, since none of the rest of us should be targeting Backfire. This also basically guarentees Backfire lives through the night or we get other vital information (Mafia names or Mafia roles, or both).

Downfalls: This leaves our 4 other power roles vulnerable. (Watcher, Voyeur, Motivator, and me (Which in all honesty I'm not that important until the night after tonight. Though, I get my kill if not killed tonight.)

Alternatives: Different targeting order, but I couldn't think of a better setup. However, if you think of a better alternative please say so.



Scenario B: We lynch the mafia tonight.

Actions: Backfire protects tracker. Watcher watches Backfire. KRZY voyeur's backfire. Tracker tracks someone.

Reasons This basically ensures tracker lives through the night, or we'll get vital information (Mafia names and potentially roles.) In this situation if backfire was lying we're guarenteed to catch him.

Problems: Still leaves Watcher, Voyeur, Motivator, and me vulnerable.

Alternatives: A ton. If you can think of a better one say it.


Again, this is all brainstorming. However with backfire's claim either he's mafia or we have a powerful power role ready. As stated above, I believe Wojjan's plan might be better now.

Uh. Might I ask how does Reisen fit in with 2 kills and 1 protect?

It doesn't seem to fit with the character as far as I know. Though I admit I only know as far as whatever the game provides.

Rantai wrote:

Uh. Might I ask how does Reisen fit in with 2 kills and 1 protect?

It doesn't seem to fit with the character as far as I know. Though I admit I only know as far as whatever the game provides.

Not quite sure honestly. I'm going to guess she can induce madness to do them but *shrug*

However the claim is an easy one to test regardless of flavor.

Well if we go with Wojjan's plan with backfire as the killer/protector. We can tell if backfire is lying or not :v

I like my plan too
Also the grandest thing about me motivating you and having backfire still around means that when we do get to the point of a mafia hidden in a bunch of unconfirmed your killing shot plus his killing shot means that we can just weed them all out at once when we get there.

I'm totes fine with LS' rendition of my plan but have the voyeur on the tracker as well in case we lynch the mafia. If the voyeur is also on the tracker we can confirm Backfire did indeed protect the tracker, thus clearing him.

Actually though now I feel more strongly (sorry Cirno) for motivating Backfire since having more kills/protects around is always awesome.

Wojjan wrote:

Actually though now I feel more strongly (sorry Cirno) for motivating Backfire since having more kills/protects around is always awesome.

The only real problem is that he's not confirmed, so if you motivate him and he is scum we may have bad stuffs happen.

Otherwise, I'd be 100% for motivating someone more useful than I am.

Maybe motivate after he is confirmed town? Although it will delay the motivation since Wojjan's own happens a day later ._.

Well my motivations still go through after I die but with a watcher and tracker on their backs I'm sure mafs have bigger fish to fry than Backfire.

Hmm, you know, the whole Reisen killing and healing thing didn't make much sense to me either. More or less, you'd have to read it to understand. As far as I know, Im not allowed to quote the whole pm or anything, right? I can at least sum it up for you guys, if thats allowed.

I think I understand why Reisen's role is like that. Kills -> Madness inducers, Protects -> Eirin's assistant.

I find it impressive that out of 3 characters, Gabi just had to get his favourite character, lol

First in first served they say.

Anyway alright I'll have to go under the assumption that it's correct (we'll find out anyway as you say).

I have no qualms with this set of plans either, or at least I can't find an outstanding reason to think otherwise.

Raging Bull wrote:

And why is that? Because I don't scum hunt? I gave my reason.

cause you post useless stuff and then doctor rolefish , but hey .. you found the 'doctor' , so what would you do if you were mafia now?.




regarding the change of plans cause of the new claim i guess we all agree that Wojjan's plan it's the more sittuable right now ..

By the way, Im fairly sure DxS and Raging Bull are the guys we're looking for. But you didnt hear it from me.

The plans sound good for now, though I'm worried that the watcher has decided not to claim for reasons unknown. Give him or her another 12 hours and then plan from there?

Backfire wrote:

By the way, Im fairly sure DxS and Raging Bull are the guys we're looking for.

Both seem scummy in their own way, if their names are the ones that come up it'd be hard to decide who's guilty.

Hi there. Well according to this "so called plan" I still have yet to see a target.

Oh and I'm still pretty sure Backfire has no idea how to play this game.

I know how to play to some extent.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Hi there. Well according to this "so called plan" I still have yet to see a target.

Oh and I'm still pretty sure Backfire has no idea how to play this game.

What? "See a target"? What are you talking about? Are you the watcher or not?

Btw I believe the claim that backfire is reisen. He replaced Gabi, who is very likely to have chosen Reisen. Dunno about the actual ability though.

Backfire said that the flavor is very defining for his role, which is also the case for me. Kanako was an evil mastermind responsible for the main plot of at leat four main games by now so her being a motivator instead of a mafia roleblocker was a bit of a stretch.

DxS, we work by "first you make a sentence, then you ask a question." Are you the watcher? Reread the thread and the plan states exactly who the watcher should be on.

Sorry for being away. I was participating on some event. Anyway, I won't hold any longer because Backfire role claimed (better odds for Wojjan's plan and worse odds for LS (+ me)'s plan)

Role Claim: Shameimaru Aya

And the result: KRZY, Mashley, Wojjan, Lybydose, and Chris



For new plans LS suggested, Plan A looks perfect as long as we don't have a role blocker. Plan B should be fine, but just a tweak Wojjan suggested (Voyeur targetting the Tracker to insure Backfire indeed protected the Tracker) will make it quite solid.





Back to my result. As you can see, Lyby and Chris are the two people who are likely to be the Tracker and the Mafia. I'm leaning Chris as he vanished after pursuing to not use of KRZY's result and blindly scum hunt just like we would do on D1. Ofcourse, it was a matter of Risk vs Reward, but we needed a way to use any information we had on the table to scum hunt for the least.

Vote: Chris

Sorry for delaying my role claim if I gotten anyone annoyed

roleclaim: Momiji Inubashiri

guess I have no choice since you are destined to be bad and roleclaim

Salvage wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

And why is that? Because I don't scum hunt? I gave my reason.

cause you post useless stuff and then doctor rolefish , but hey .. you found the 'doctor' , so what would you do if you were mafia now?.




regarding the change of plans cause of the new claim i guess we all agree that Wojjan's plan it's the more sittuable right now ..

I didn't exactly say whoever is doctor go and roleclaim now. I was merely commenting on if there's a doctor around, they should protect tracker in LS' plan

Chris wrote:

roleclaim: Momiji Inubashiri

guess I have no choice since you are destined to be bad and roleclaim

So you are also a watcher? What's your result if that's the case?

nvm and are you willing to give us your result as a Tracker?

bmin11 wrote:

Chris wrote:

roleclaim: Momiji Inubashiri

guess I have no choice since you are destined to be bad and roleclaim

So you are also a watcher? What's your result if that's the case?

nvm and are you willing to give us your result as a Tracker?

two switched rolled and me

bmin11 wrote:

as long as we don't have a role blocker

Dammit, forgot about that. Any complex plan I can conceive of falls apart if they have a roleblocker, which isn't unlikely given that one of the scum was already weakened by being a lover. Not to mention the number of aux roles we have running around. It doesn't even have to be a roleblocker- a silencer could accomplish a similar thing. Basically a mafia power role could severely interfere with our plans, which is likely present to balance out the town aux roles.

I guess... we continue with lynching one of Lybydose or chris (I'll wait for Lybydose to present his case before voting), and if we mislynch we try again tomorrow. Meanwhile aux roles individually come up with a plan but don't reveal it?

akrolsmir wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

as long as we don't have a role blocker

Dammit, forgot about that. Any complex plan I can conceive of falls apart if they have a roleblocker, which isn't unlikely given that one of the scum was already weakened by being a lover. Not to mention the number of aux roles we have running around. It doesn't even have to be a roleblocker- a silencer could accomplish a similar thing. Basically a mafia power role could severely interfere with our plans, which is likely present to balance out the town aux roles.

I guess... we continue with lynching one of Lybydose or chris (I'll wait for Lybydose to present his case before voting), and if we mislynch we try again tomorrow. Meanwhile aux roles individually come up with a plan but don't reveal it?

If everyone wouldn't of roleclaimed like I said everything would still be fine.

Bmin wouldn't be dead tonight, not to mention the rest of us getting picked off one by one. I don't know what any of you were thinking claiming before bmin did though, wow.

Half of you didn't even have a reason to, just gave more names to add to the list of confirmed town to kill.

gj

I had originally planned to tell anyone my role, but I was accused of being mafia and panicked...;3;

oh hi guys I'm the tracker Toyosatomimi no Miko. I guess I can sense people's desires or some such to figure out who they target.

D1 I didn't question Two's plan at all simply because even if there were not a watcher, I could verify both Two and Mashley as town by tracking Two (which I did).

D2 I gave the hint that I was one of KRZY's voyeur results, which Rolled picked up on. Also, here I was questioning if LS targeted KRZY to get her conflicting results: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=62671&p=1053565#p1053565

The reason I asked this specific question is because Two actually swapped KRZY and Rolled. Had LS's result come from targeting KRZY, it would have been because the ability was bus driven. Then Wojjan claimed and explained the whole thing.

Also, this post I mention that my claim order plan was to get Tracker as the duplicate claim: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=62671&p=1055048#p1055048 well that was just so that it would be really obvious to me who was mafia, rather than having to judge two motivators if they were both suspicious people and/or lurkers.

oh yeah another thing. I didn't completely rule out the possibility of a Mafia Watcher either (it's been known to happen). This is why I didn't claim earlier - if the 2nd person claimed anything other than Tracker (this would happen if the 2nd person really was town and the mafia watcher was giving false results to paint someone as scum), it would lead me to believe that the watcher was mafia. That didn't happen.

So if I was swapped with Rolled, does that mean the motivator had actually targeted me?

No, Wojjan's said he was able to motivate someone Day 1 AND Night 1. So Day 1 he targeted Rolled and Night 1 he targeted Two. The bus only has effect at night.

Ok guys let's go with plan C. What's plan C you ask? It's called "lynch chris cause he's mafia".

So wait wouldn't this plan suck if I turned out to be the mafia? No, because backfire would just shoot me if chris flips town. What if backfire is mafia though? You guys could just lynch him if I didn't die. And if he gets blocked? Voyeur/watcher combo verifies that.

Of course none of that is necessary because i'm town.

unvote; vote: chris

In my opinion, Lyby's claim is much stronger.

Vote: Chris

zzz I'm really sorry guys. This past week has been kind of hectic, and I'm going to be pretty busy until around tuesday. If you'd like, I can find a replacement. Until then I'll try to remain as active as possible, I just don't like putting any less than 100% into these games, and it's pretty fast moving.

vote: Chris, as he's the only person from this list I didn't feel was near confirmed town.

fair enough to me



vote : Chris

Oh well.

I do just want to point out that Lybydose was the one who was so for everyone claiming to begin with, and thanks to that mafia knows exactly who they need to kill. There wont be any useless kills, because now we're all lined up already. thx

It really doesn't matter to Lybydose if they die tomorrow if they're just able to get a mislynch off today, since that would not only eliminate the tracker but the watcher would die tonight and I'm sure Backfire would get roleblocked. You finally lynch Lybydose tomorrow and you're stuck at square one because only the voyeur is left and nobody else.

gj mafia no sarcasm

also i don't have any problem if Rolled doesn't post since he's atleast Pro-town , and we could use some of him later lmao


and the "new" plan seems pretty cool , let's get this day over with peeps.

Votecount:

Chris (5) - bmin11, Lybydose, LadySuburu, Rolled, Salvage
Raging Bull (1) - akrolsmir
Salvage (1) - Rantai
Backfire (1) - KRZY

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Deadline is in 22:58 hours

unvote, vote: Chris

Now we need to figure what we do tonight. Options:

1. Somebody comes up with a seamless plan that will resolve despite mafia disruption (via roleblock/nk'ing)
2. Each aux decides his/her own actions to avoid disruption
2a. We come up with some semblance of a plan to confuse scum, but then auxes don't follow it. Unless they choose to. WIFOM GO GO

Is Alice (the mafia Q brought down with him) a part of some kind of a group? If she is, we may able to guess some possible characters and their roles.