Basically the controversy about that part of the day was the fact that Two was hinting at the fact he had a trick up his sleeve to avoid a night kill.Two wrote:
I'd rather keep the explanation as minimal as: trust me, you have nothing to worry about if you hide behind me.
Watcher first, then ask the others to claim one at a time rather than all at once. The order isn't so important.Wojjan wrote:
so Lyby in what order do you suggest we roleclaim? Plan B sucks because the fact that Two got killed instead of being able to drive himself and a target seems to heavily imply that we got a roleblocker around. If any of the people don't show up in the list (or worse the people watching the target get blocked) we're pretty much screwed having no information other than possibly having boosted a mafia member.
You should be careful with how you throw those motivations around.
Right, KRZY would be able to detect the missing person. If KRZY were blocked there would be no missing person as the block was already used. The biggest problem with plan B is if the mafia just decides to kill our target too. Then we learn nothing and wasted a bunch of time.JInxyjem wrote:
Wait, wouldn't the roleblock have been seen from KRZY's voyeuring?
Scenario 1:
Everyone involved roleclaims, they die every consecutive night until they're all dead.
Possibly lynch a town player hunting for Mafia - 50/50 chance.
Probably lynch a town player every day consecutively.
Scenario 2:
No one roleclaims, someone gets lynched/mafia kill a person tonight.
With 14 people, assuming there are 3 mafia left, that's 11 people they have to pick from. I doubt they're gonna pinpoint the Watcher in one night.
Roleclaim on D3 with possibly two Mafia names, and then use process of elimination to kill the last one off.
yeahRantai wrote:
But then you have to hope the watcher targets who the mafia targets or he's basically completely useless too.
Unless you meant that with - The only problem is guessing who's going to die.
There is definitely a chance for a mislynch given option 1, you're pretty much guaranteed to kill one town to figure out who the mafia is.Rantai wrote:
Then again it's 3 people we won't mislynch giving us a greater chance to lynch a mafia, we won't have a chance to lose that information, we will probably get rid of another mafia (bringing the count to 2) and we will still have at least 1 of their information (which is luck based from here on in) for the next 2-3 days. Not to mention the other roles we may have.
Overall it seems the good outweighs the bad.
After we kill the mafia member, what is your plan after that?Rantai wrote:
I just can't agree, it's far too dependent on luck.
Obviously if a Watcher is about to get lynched he would roleclaim, just like anybody else. It's not like I'm telling them to just be quiet and don't say anything even when you're being voted for, just don't claim when you hardly have any information.Rantai wrote:
The hope here is that either; we have more than just those 3 auxs for information and we work on that or we use what information we can get before they die (chances are one of them will get some more information seeing as they already know who is going to be targeted by a mafia) and mount the lynches off that.
My question is what are we going to do if our auxs get lynched or night killed?
If I had anything to add or suggest with the plans, I would. But having to refer to mafiawiki every time I want to distinguish between voyeur, watcher, and tracker is annoying. Confusing setup.KRZY wrote:
Rolled, you've been quiet since N1.
I can't because Day 2 hasn't lasted 24 hours. Once it has I'll prod him if he hasn't posted.Rolled wrote:
I think Kiddo ragequit mafia in general so prod him if I may. Let's get him replaced sooner rather than later if that's the case.
Ya rly.Lybydose wrote:
oh really
You see, the information I have points to KRZY lying, unless this game is even more oddly set up than it already is.akrolsmir wrote:
Lynching one maf isn't such an accomplishment that it's worth outing three auxes. I think the information from revealing would be more beneficial to scum at this point. Also if we wait, when we finally use the info to lynch the scum we will have more information about them and their likely scumbuddies.
Though really it's up to the watcher to choose. We should move on under the assumption that the watcher wants to stay hidden until s/he reveals. In other words, Plan B for now.
Meanwhile, vote for someone you think is scum. Preferably Raging Bull.
LadySuburu wrote:
You see, the information I have points to KRZY lying, unless this game is even more oddly set up than it already is.akrolsmir wrote:
Lynching one maf isn't such an accomplishment that it's worth outing three auxes. I think the information from revealing would be more beneficial to scum at this point. Also if we wait, when we finally use the info to lynch the scum we will have more information about them and their likely scumbuddies.
Though really it's up to the watcher to choose. We should move on under the assumption that the watcher wants to stay hidden until s/he reveals. In other words, Plan B for now.
Meanwhile, vote for someone you think is scum. Preferably Raging Bull.
That is why I'd prefer plan A.
I can elaborate, but it would require two or more claims.KRZY wrote:
Uh, I did not lie.
I'd like some elaboration on your claim, or is it too dangerous to do so?
To specify, role claims.LadySuburu wrote:
I can elaborate, but it would require two or more claims.
Revealing how I got it requires me to claim as I've mentioned.Lybydose wrote:
LS, how did you get your information? I'm not saying to claim, but did you get it by investigating KRZY or something?
I did not.Lybydose wrote:
Actually I'll be more generic. Did you target KRZY?
Anti-TownRaging Bull wrote:
And what's scum anyways?
I second thisakrolsmir wrote:
Try DxS, I believe he expressed an interest when the game was getting started.
Yeah take your time, and welcome :DDeathxShinigami wrote:
OH HELLO. Catching up from my very first post. Ho hum...give me til the morning.
I was half-told not to claim, but now I'm bored and everyone's being quiet. I fully intend to vote KRZY unless I get a good enough explanation for the conflicting results.Wojjan wrote:
Chris you seem to imply that we will never mynch scum ever ever ever in our entire game. "mislynch NK mislynch NK"
LS claim already and stop rolefishing
Probably make them a kind of insomniac in WWG?Raging Bull wrote:
Just curious but what would motivation do to hider?
<3Wojjan wrote:
god damnit LS you ruin everything. Now I have to claim the specifics of my motivation
fixedLadySuburu wrote:
Now, ifRolledWojjan motivates me, we basically have a night Vig kill the next night. So, instead of lynching player A or B, here's what I propose.
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Writing this pretty long after I got up so I'm tired. I may have made errors and please correct them if I did.
First off, I'll say that assuming the watcher is claiming anyway, we might as well go through with my plan. Even if something goes wrong, we can still lynch one of the two the next day as we would do today.Wojjan wrote:
I don't like anything of that. Let me point everything out:
One, we don't know how the watcher works. If the mafia played their game even a little cautious in the results of tracking or watching someone would've killed Two who had an expendable secondary night action ability, along the lines of roleblocking, framing etc. If those people self visit the night we're planning this and they kill the voyeur, we ain't got shit but a confirmed town mafia.
Two, we waste three odds of finsing scum. A watcher voyeur and tracker all can potentially find scum, and chaining them together (watcher checks tracker to see to it he doesn't get killed, a presumable doc in a setup this big protects watcher) basically means that the tracker (who is basically a rolecop including the stress of roleclaiming) will lose a night's investigation to confirm himself. We can work around this by sending tracker, watcher and voyeur to another target, but even then we can't work it out. Explaining nextly.
Three, nothing prevents the mafia of killing the appointed target. Since we only have a watcher and a voyeur and no means to link one name to the other, the mafia killing and the tracker tracking a specific target even with both the watcher and voyeur watching will deliver nothing else than "Target got visited by [Tracker] and [Mafia]" or "Target got killed, tracked." This is one obstacle we can work around by having the tracker as their target, but then again we can't really because the tracker will be dead and we lose what is right now our most powerful investigative role around.
Other than that it grievely concerns me that the watcher still hasn't claimed, we've got a shitstorm of lurkers around, we have had next to no discussion for a lynch target yet.
Prod? Im right here :l Unless prod means something else.DeathxShinigami wrote:
Prod: Backfire
Heading to work soon. Will finish reading the thread on my mobile. Will post tonight.
We're losing the trackerLadySuburu wrote:
I don't see how we're losing anything.
How is that different than any other situation where the watcher claims and gives us the names?Wojjan wrote:
We're losing the tracker
By the way, one of those two names is the tracker.Wojjan wrote:
That we can scumhunt those two names and make an educated guess to their alignments. We don't have Two but that doesn't mean we can't hit mafia.
So if I'm following correctly, this is what you want:Wojjan wrote:
the watcher is on the tracker. The mafia loses two mafia. Not really a gambit I'd take if I were them, with already a member down
