Calling BS on NoHItter's roleclaim. A miller whose "results" are completely unverifiable? Does this not seem wayyy too convenient to anyone?

vote NoHItter

0_o wrote:

Calling BS on NoHItter's roleclaim. A miller whose "results" are completely unverifiable? Does this not seem wayyy too convenient to anyone?

vote NoHItter

IDK if it is part of my role or it was just a chance thing , but I can say the contents of the PM I did get, and Swift can verify it.

NoHItter wrote:

IDK if it is part of my role or it was just a chance thing , but I can say the contents of the PM I did get, and Swift can verify it.

Mafia Role Cop?

You vote me because you say that we can't verify any of what I say.
Then when I do give a way on how to verify something, you brush it off and say it's a scum aux power.

I'd like to give off one final clue:
There is a 50-50 chance as to whether or not the mafia gets to know about my role.


If you can't put the statements together, I'll put a roleclaim.

Why delete that other post? D:

I realized I made a mistake on making a claim there, as I didn't do enough research on it to back it up.

NoHItter wrote:

You vote me because you say that we can't verify any of what I say.
Then when I do give a way on how to verify something, you brush it off and say it's a scum aux power.

I said we can't verify your claimed results, not the thing about Swift. I didn't doubt that you got Swift's role, but it doesn't really matter with regards to whether you're scum or not.

Chris wrote:

You don't really seem to be denying the fact you came back as Mafia though, NoHitter.

This is important, and was overlooked. NoHitter never questioned swift's alignment, and the possibility that he could be making up his night results.

I realized as swift kept talking it became less and less likely he could be making his role up, but the fact that nohitter never questioned the possibility from the get-go alarmed me, him being a very analytical player and all.

NoHItter wrote:

I'm not Mafia. I'm a Miller Graverobber.

A miller is a pro-town player who turns up guilty under investigation.

Wouldn't that technically make NoHitter come back as town then, assuming Swiftwolf is insane?


Dun dun dun.

I considered reading the wiki before I posted, but then I'm like nah.

Yes. But we have nearly no way to tell -.-

He's not insane; NoHItter is either mafia or miller, and they both would turn up guilty under a sane cop's results.

Claiming miller is really the only way for the mafia to get out of a guilty result aside from questioning sanity (which wouldn't be effective for too long). What's more likely: Swift hit one of 3-4 mafia, or he hit a miller which may or may not even exist?

All right, what the hell? That roleclaim sounds incredibly convenient, and it would be very easy to lie in that way if he was mafia. Plus, Swiftwolf's posts sound very... "innocent". The situation of Swiftwolf being a cop and NoHItter being mafia makes sense IMO... vote: NoHItter though if he's town, Swiftwolf is definitely mafia. Even with 5 mafia, we can afford another mislynch, and if this is a mislynch we have a confirmed mafia day 3, so it's definitely worth going for.

@Rantai:

Rantai wrote:

I think you misunderstood this one. I meant, knowing it's a scum tell or whatever, what mafia would stay neutral? Town progress could easily be taken off track by a well played mafia.

A mafia would stay neutral to hinder town progress. Yes, a skilled mafia could actually throw it off, but that's an easier and more convenient shortcut, especially on D1.

Bandwagoning, overreactions something along those lines would be more solid than a preset criteria of playstyles.

I really disagree with this very much...though I guess this is a difference in what we consider to be scumtells.

I've noticed that it also exists with any other alignment >.>

IMO, that's the idea here. By D1, it is reasonable to assume that the more aggressive players or town. It's like when you're playing poker, you can classify players into various profiles (e.g. rocks, maniacs) and then change your playing based on that (ex. if a maniac raises a lot, it would be more worthwhile to call).

Which part were you referring to?

This:

Hmm how does saying not wanting to vote on gut make it wifom?

I guess this whole argument is a difference in our playstyles, but go ahead and accuse me if you wish = =||

Oh I made a mistake, with 5 mafia we would be at LYLO with a myslynch. With 4 we could have another mislynch.

vote: NoHitter

he actually tried to claim I was "second on his list" even though I'm obviously town

now he turns up mafia and claims miller

nothx

pieguy1372 wrote:

Oh I made a mistake, with 5 mafia we would be at LYLO with a myslynch. With 4 we could have another mislynch.

I doubt there would be 5 mafia in a 15 person game

seems like too many

Vote Count

NoHItter (6): Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Rantai, animask, 0_o, pieguy1372, Chris

Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1): DeathxShinigami

7 votes to lynch

I agree, I was just giving the highest number where we could mislynch today and still not lose. I think it's a lot more likely there's 4 mafia.

pieguy wrote:

if he's town, Swiftwolf is definitely mafia

Not really, NoHItter claimed miller, remember? Swift is quite likely to be a cop regardless of how NoHItter flips.

Typo fix:

"players or town" -> "players are town"

0_o wrote:

pieguy wrote:

if he's town, Swiftwolf is definitely mafia

Not really, NoHItter claimed miller, remember? Swift is quite likely to be a cop regardless of how NoHItter flips.

oops I'm not sure how I forgot about that. I blame the fact that I just woke up and can't think straight... >.>

I agree, if NoHItter is town, Swiftwolf might not be mafia.

@ pieguy, nah that's good enough for me, I just wanted to see your reasoning. Though I still heavily disagree for the most part.

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

There is a 50-50 chance as to whether or not the mafia gets to know about my role.

This makes me pretty sure that NoHItter is mafia, but Hammering right now would be a horrible idea for multiple reasons.

Also, someone viewing this thread, mind posting something real quick?

Hi, I am posting in this thread with the intention of fulfilling a request.

Rantai wrote:

Hi, I am posting in this thread with the intention of fulfilling a request.

Awesome, thanks. Now I don't have to worry as much anymore.

I should mention that the results of Mashley's flip invalidated the main reason I was suspicious of DxS.

Should I stop trying to understand?

No actually I'll sleep first, it's been a long day.

"Nearly no way to tell"? Guess you people haven't checked the clues.

Roleclaim: Fanatic Worshiper (ie: Cop, Psychic)

Option 1: Every night, I'm allowed to pray to my god and ask for someone's role. However, my god is cruel, and gives me a 50-50 chance. One side of that is to be unnoticed. The other is to have my role given to the mafia. (NoHitter CONFIRMED the second half by stating that I am part cop. PLUS, he even STATED that I had another role!)

Option 2: If it is night 1, I am able to sacrifice myself. Of course, doing so does nothing. However, I am able to submit TWO names and get their information. Instead of getting this information myself, it goes to two other people. I have a feeling that DxS watched me in this situation, but right now, all I know is that NoHitter is mafia.

Oh well gg for me.
Man why do I always get unlucky when it comes to Cops.
As planned, self-hammer time to cut discussion.
BTW guys, you can't post after the hammer as it's Night time already

Had fun guys. Oh and I don't know if you would believe me but I was actually scumhunting for the SK. Not that you guys will believe me.

Now that that's' over with...
Vote: NoHItter

Day 2 is now over. Give me a minute pls thx

Final Vote Count

NoHItter (7): Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Rantai, animask, 0_o, pieguy1372, Chris, NoHItter

Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1): DeathxShinigami

Not Voting: Rolled, LadySuburu, Wojjan, foulcoon, Lybydose


NoHItter - Mafia Graverobber was lynched

It's now Night 2. Send all night actions within 24 hours.

It's now Day 3. You wake up to find...

Rolled - Townsperson dead

You have 72 hours until nightfall.

Wojjan/Foulcoon/Lybydose haven't posted in 2 days

mod: prod ^

what do you think is different from a prod and that pm I sent everyone like 2 minutes ago

prod means they're required to post

I don't have a prodding rule. If inactivity becomes a problem, I'll just replace/modkill case by case.

Two wrote:

I don't have a prodding rule. If inactivity becomes a problem, I'll just replace/modkill case by case.

it's a problem now cause they haven't posted in 2 days~

Seeing as yesterday only lasted about 12 hours, and nobody posted for the last 24 hours, I'd say not posting for the last 48 hours is somewhat reasonable?

day 2 ended fast

0_o wrote:

Seeing as yesterday only lasted about 12 hours, and nobody posted for the last 24 hours, I'd say not posting for the last 48 hours is somewhat reasonable?

they are the only 3 which is why I called them out

none of them voted/posted at all

even though it doesn't prove guilt it's still more than worth pointing out

and not having prod rules is dumb

Yeah, D2 did end quickly. Plus, my FoS from D1 was quite interesting. Remember when I FoS'd Wojjan? Yeah, I thought he was just being rude. Apparently, my investigations show him as part of the mafia, as well. Bye, Wojjan!

Vote: Wojjan

vote: Wojjan

wow if they're mafia I want an apology

though swift I am curious why they wouldn't kill a confirmed cop but rolled who was not only inactive but unconfirmed town

rantai my friend, don't lurk ~

give me your opinion on this

That's what I'm wondering, too. I roleclaimed cop, and even NoHitter confirmed it. There's a possibility that I was getting protected that night, and if that's the case, they want to take out the doctor, first.

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

That's what I'm wondering, too. I roleclaimed cop, and even NoHitter confirmed it. There's a possibility that I was getting protected that night, and if that's the case, they want to take out the doctor, first.

or maybe bus driver exists?

.. hopefully not a serial killer -_-

Doctor or bus driver. I don't know which one exists, but I know what Wojjan is.

..wait. If it IS a bus driver, wouldn't it have come up as such? I mean, if there IS one, wouldn't Rolled come up as such, and not townsperson?

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

..wait. If it IS a bus driver, wouldn't it have come up as such? I mean, if there IS one, wouldn't Rolled come up as such, and not townsperson?

Bus Drivers just switch what happens to two people during night actions.


Mafia tries to kill you.
Bus Driver switches you and Rolled.
Rolled dies instead.

...Triple posting because I don't like to edit.

That is, IF he was the one that switched with me... then again, wouldn't that mean he would've been protected IF I was the one protected?

This doesn't make any sense.

..ninja'd.

That's what I was getting at, Chris. But there's one thing that still doesn't register as right. Wouldn't it show that he's a bus driver?

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

..ninja'd.

That's what I was getting at, Chris. But there's one thing that still doesn't register as right. Wouldn't it show that he's a bus driver?

The bus driver doesn't have to switch with himself, he can switch any two people freely.

Confirmed your statement. Bus drivers may not be able to switch themselves.

Speaking of those three, I know for sure that they couldn't have understood my meaning.

So, I no longer really see them as town. That leaves faceman as the only one on my list.


As for swift's investigation and lack of death, I only see two possibilities.

Doctor + SK - Swift was investigated and SK killed someone.

Bus Driver - Swapped swift and rolled.


A bus driver existing who did anything else but swap swift and someone would've just made a really bad move overall.

Vote: Wojjan

I see no reason for Swift to lie.

I was wondering why Rolled was killed, bus driver makes sense. Then again with the doctors... more on this later, little busy.

Not voting for a bit since I want people to actually get a chance to post and I barely even got two posts in yesterday before self-hammer ended the day.

Oh, by the way we can post after a lynch until Two posts that the day is officially over. I asked that after yesterday's event.

Yeah, I had a feeling NoHitter was pulling his last lie before Two made his post.

Ok not so busy.

I'm going to run under the assumption that there isn't a doctor in this game. Going by that I doubt there is a SK around unless they are miraculously choosing the same targets or alternating kills.

Sorry for not posting guys, Day 2 literally lasted while I was at school/sleeping. I had a pretty rough night before that so I just didn't think to check it before school.

Swift did you actually check Wojjan or is this just a hunch?

I actually checked Wojjan.

Vote: Wojjan

plain and simple. If Swift is not paranoid we pretty much won already .

Vote Count

Wojjan (4): Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Chris, Rantai, foulcoon

11 people alive = 6 votes to lynch

I almost feel sorry for the mafia, really.

Not voting til everyone's had a chance to speak, just in case we're missing anything.

I don't see any reason for Swift to be lying this time. I find it extremely odd, yet lucky that he investigated two mafia members in a row.

Vote: Wojjan

Oh and I think DxS might be mafia. I get the feeling I just got the hammer vote... oops.

HoS: Lyby, animask.

Ookay Day 3 now over.

Wojjan - Mafia Leader was lynched

It's now Night 3. 24 hours until Day 4, send in night actions

LadySuburu wrote:

HoS: Lyby, animask.

definitely lybydose, only thing he posts are votes now

swift you should scan him n3

Posting on cell w restorant inteqnet. Cant check if it'r still d3 plz delete if not swift is paran or bs cop, or one of the remaining mafs is driver. Duno y no one mentioned mafdriver re: p26. Faceman's logic on hitter d2 (wrt probability) was bs and metawise last time he vouched w that in tf2maf he was blu. Chris is either an impatient dick or scum as shit, mbe both. Vote pieguy btw for shit reasoning all over the place and the bussing i called d1. Decent port coming soon.

Ending night prematurely. You wake up to find that...

Swiftwolf Yellowtail - Fanatic Worshipper (Cop/Psychic) was killed amongst a large pile of "Kill me, I'm a cop" warning signs.

It's now Day 4. You have 72 hours until nightfall.

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch

Um.

I take it our bus driver failed to save Swift.

Right now I'm actually thinking the mafia left Swift alone N2 because they thought he would be protected, thus leaving him free to kill the next night.

What stops someone protecting him twice in a row?

But I do see your point.

Rantai wrote:

What stops someone protecting him twice in a row?

But I do see your point.

Traditionally, a doctor can't protect the same player consecutive nights. Though sometimes they ARE allowed if their protection is successful, thus making it even riskier for the mafia.

Fair enough then.

It's nice that we've got 2 mafia down but the downfall to that is we've got very little to work on for the next one, those days went by way too fast >.<

Slipping back into the previous posts again;

Wojjan wrote:

yeah that's true, you don't ever.

unvote

feeling pretty good about LS

LadySuburu wrote:

Feel free to lynch me if you'd like, just take the fact that I believe Wojjan and Lyby are almost guarenteed town into consideration once I flip.

These two stand out to me quite a bit right now. Now, aside from being quite cryptic (yep, I'm dumb), LS refused to vote on either bandwagon (granted the reasons were sound, but that's just convenient too). I'll think on this a bit more.

Just for reference - I believe, 0_o, pieguy, Chris and foulcoon (kind of) are town for now, judging by how I'm reading them. animask and DxS I have a null read on them. Lybydose and LS are the two I'm most wary about (LS moreso, Lybydose for his amazing lack of words).

Why do you think Foulcoon is town? He's been inactive for a while now~ (though possibly with an honest excuse, but who knows)

Lybydose has hardly posted at all since D2, only once to bandwagon Wojjan I think. Possibly to clear himself because he knew Wojjan was definitely going to get hammered and didn't want to not vote again for the confirmed Mafia. Not to mention Swift died when he was asked to scan him N3, though how long would Mafia really leave a cop alive? ^_^

faceman is probably the most confirmed town to me, but only based on the fact he pressured NoHitter so badly and helped complete the bandwagon against him and helped convince that he was most likely Mafia.

I still think LS is the Jester who ended up losing their role cause Lybydose called them out, losing post restrictions right after that happens is too convenient.

Animask saying oops about hammering a cop confirmed mafia member, wat.

DxS is inactive as usual, could go either way easily.

Rantai - Assuming town, nothing to confirm it yet though. Saying you believed foulcoon was town surprised me though, possible you + foulcoon are the last mafia alive.

pieguy I really have no thoughts about, been sorta inactive the past couple days. Didn't vote for Wojjan.

Chris wrote:

I still think LS is the Jester who ended up losing their role cause Lybydose called them out, losing post restrictions right after that happens is too convenient.

Rantai - Assuming town, nothing to confirm it yet though. Saying you believed foulcoon was town surprised me though, possible you + foulcoon are the last mafia alive.

To clear up it's only a slight read on foulcoon.

Alright, time to give you something then and also to show why I don't think LS is a jester.

Roleclaim: Setup Watcher

Basically, every day I am given a list of how many of 4 types of roles are left (Vanillas, power roles, mafia and independents). I will say right now there is 1 mafia left and no independents. Meaning it's a 8v1 set up at this moment.

However I noticed someone was jumping between power role and mafia on day 1 and 2. I believe there is someone who swaps roles based on a trigger. My guess is if that person is voted, they swap alignment then swap back the next day. Now, before I give you numbers, I want to make sure that actually giving out aux role numbers won't hurt the town.

Opinion?

Rantai wrote:

To clear up it's only a slight read on foulcoon.

Alright, time to give you something then and also to show why I don't think LS is a jester.

Roleclaim: Setup Watcher

Basically, every day I am given a list of how many of 4 types of roles are left (Vanillas, power roles, mafia and independents). I will say right now there is 1 mafia left and no independents. Meaning it's a 8v1 set up at this moment.

However I noticed someone was jumping between power role and mafia on day 1 and 2. I believe there is someone who swaps roles based on a trigger. My guess is if that person is voted, they swap alignment then swap back the next day. Now, before I give you numbers, I want to make sure that actually giving out aux role numbers won't hurt the town.

Opinion?

I don't see how it's possible for someone to switch back and forth? .. wouldn't they like, know who the other Mafia are and be able to win it for town?

You wouldn't of been able to see LS as an independent though just for the fact they were called out D1 and possibly lost their alignment right there, unless your ability is used during the day. (and before that happened)

It's hard to believe there is only 1 mafia member left though, I'm assuming it's more along the lines of someone who comes up as town when they use their night ability. (possibly 1 shot?) <-- and oh I just realized this might be what you meant.

I don't think it would be beneficial to state how many of what are left in this game, though. Just keep us informed if the Mafia count hits 2, cause I doubt this was a 3v12 game.

Chris wrote:

1.I don't see how it's possible for someone to switch back and forth? .. wouldn't they like, know who the other Mafia are and be able to win it for town?

2.You wouldn't of been able to see LS as an independent though just for the fact they were called out D1 and possibly lost their alignment right there, unless your ability is used during the day. (and before that happened)

3.It's hard to believe there is only 1 mafia member left though, I'm assuming it's more along the lines of someone who comes up as town when they use their night ability. (possibly 1 shot?) <-- and oh I just realized this might be what you meant.

4.I don't think it would be beneficial to state how many of what are left in this game, though. Just keep us informed if the Mafia count hits 2, cause I doubt this was a 3v12 game.

1. I am unsure how it works, I'll copy paste my notes on mafia numbers for you though.

Mafia - 3 - 4 - 2 - 1

2. There have been 0 independents the whole game, believe it or not. It has been 0 the whole way through.

3. I found it hard to believe too on the first day, then I saw the jump on day 2 and went... uh what? I waited for the next 2 days to see if it wasn't a periodic thing (ie alignment mafia on even days) .

4. Ok, I won't reveal what's left. I bet I'm dead tonight though.

Rantai wrote:

4. Ok, I won't reveal what's left. I bet I'm dead tonight though.

Don't bet on it friend.

I found it hard to believe there was 3 mafia members*

Oh and assuming my hypothesis is correct (or even on the off chance it's right) please refrain from voting, use FoS or w/e until we know who we want to lynch.

Last thing we need is to create another mafia.

Good night, see you in the morning.

The Mafia Spy shows up as Town to Cops, but the Mafia can "call them back" at any time to make them full members of the Mafia at any time. (Obviously, the Mafia would know that the Mafia Spy exists.)

^ I assume this would work for your role as well, which would explain the interesting numbers you gathered.

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let me know what you think~

Oh wow, that's interesting. o.o It's definitely a huge relief to know there's only 1 mafia member left (and no SK), because that allows 3 more mislynches before LYLO.

Given what you said, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lybydose or LS (or far less likely, Chris) was that person (and they originally wanted to be mafia). Perhaps they didn't know they had that property, but there's definitely a chance they did.

Chris wrote:

pieguy I really have no thoughts about, been sorta inactive the past couple days. Didn't vote for Wojjan.

I went to bed during night 2 and when I came back, day 3 had already ended and it was already night 3 >.<//

1. Rantai
If his claim is true, this means he's town. I'm willing to believe it for now, I can always go back and change it if it leads to a contradiction (and we have a lot of time left, unlike in community PyP). He was also first on the bandwagon of NoHItter, and I'm further inclined to say he's town due to meta (and no I won't say what meta )...

2. LadySuburu
Let's see here... First of all, if Rantai's claim is true, IMO he has a high chance of being the person whose alignment switches back and forth. Plus, the way he was posting D1 makes me think that he might have had a pro-town power (or some other power) that he lost. Either way, if he lost it, I doubt he would become a mafia member, so I think he's town.

3. 0_o
Inactive near the start, but he had a reason for that so I can disregard it. He seems very proactive and trying to help the town, so I think for now he's town.

4. Chris
Confused everyone D1, though I don't think he meant to. He has also been quite proactive and has analyzed quite well so far, so I'm pretty sure he's town.

5. animask
He's been quite inactive, but he was also on the bandwagon for both mafia members (though with Wojjan, it was clear he was going to be lynched anyway, and it was quite obvious he was mafia). I haven't picked up any other reads on him yet, I'll reread the thread later and hopefully get something.

7. foulcoon
He's been really inactive so far, so I'm not sure what to say about him.

8. Lybydose
If Rantai is telling the truth, due to the way he was acting early on, he has a higher chance of being the person whose alignment switches, and thus town. This makes him more likely to be town. Yes, Swiftwolf died after supposedly checking Lybydose, but this is WIFOM.

9. DeathxShinigami
What I'm wondering is this:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I have a feeling that DxS watched me in this situation, but right now, all I know is that NoHitter is mafia.

Does this mean DxS is a watcher? Swiftwolf said this, so he has no reason to lie (and DxS never claimed anything). Aside from that, I haven't picked up any reads on him just yet, but I plan to reread (rereread?) the thread later today when I have more time. >.<

Essentially, there are a few people who are more likely to be town, and that's it. Regarding the issue with Rantai, LS, and Lybydose, that was just me making a guess based on how they acted D1. If they did switch back and forth based on if they voted, that situation would make a lot of sense given how they were acting. However, the other one may still very well be mafia, or I might be completely wrong. Also, since days 2 and 3 were so short, some people such as DxS, animask, and foulcoon appear inactive because they have no chances to make posts. In other words, I don't have enough information yet to tell anything for sure.

Chris wrote:

The Mafia Spy shows up as Town to Cops, but the Mafia can "call them back" at any time to make them full members of the Mafia at any time. (Obviously, the Mafia would know that the Mafia Spy exists.)

^ I assume this would work for your role as well, which would explain the interesting numbers you gathered.

That would explain the jump from 3 to 4, but not from 4 to 2.

Wojjan accused me/faceman/pieguy of being scum, and they were the Mafia Leader soo..

.. I'm assuming us three are all confirmed town, though it's possible they did that and tried to place a Mafia member in there knowing they were lynched. <-- That'd be a really shady thing to do though.

I feel like faceman/pieguy/Rantai/me are pretty much confirmed, kinda.

I do think that Suburu is probably the Mafia Spy, them having a posting requirement kinda makes sense since a spy would want to be "out of sight" for the most part. It also says that the Spies can go right back to the Mafia, which would in turn allow them to speak freely again with no posting restriction. Maybe that's what happened? I'm not sure if something like that is a day or night action though, so I might be off.

Lybydose is ridiculously inactive, and I think it's worth pointing out that him + animask were the last ones to vote for Wojjan. He posts but only to vote and hasn't really given his input on anything since D2. This is all just information though, not really an accusation. I would like to see some sort of post from either of them though.

DxS claimed he believed Swiftwolf was Mafia and voted for him. Just another bit of information that I should point out. Not to mention he lurks and refuses to post.

0_o wrote:

That would explain the jump from 3 to 4, but not from 4 to 2.

Maybe they became a Spy again? It doesn't say anything about not being able to do it more than once.

also 4 -> 2 would be one Mafia dead and the Mafia Spy going back into hiding.

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why no post~

I thought someone wanted more input before the hammer vote.

The days are ending pretty quickly and I'm starting to think only 1 mafia member is doing the NK work.

I don't really have much else to post right now...

Chris wrote:

0_o wrote:

That would explain the jump from 3 to 4, but not from 4 to 2.

Maybe they became a Spy again? It doesn't say anything about not being able to do it more than once.

also 4 -> 2 would be one Mafia dead and the Mafia Spy going back into hiding.

It doesn't make sense for a spy to be able to go back into hiding though:
-When the spy is hiding, he appears as town under investigation, but the mafia doesn't know who he is
-When he comes out, he is revealed to the mafia but is not longer immune to investigations
After this there would be no downsides not to go back into hiding as the mafia already knows who he is.

Maybe there is a mafioso who has a night action, but can forfeit it for the night in order to appear as town?

0_o wrote:

It doesn't make sense for a spy to be able to go back into hiding though:
-When the spy is hiding, he appears as town under investigation, but the mafia doesn't know who he is
-When he comes out, he is revealed to the mafia but is not longer immune to investigations
After this there would be no downsides not to go back into hiding as the mafia already knows who he is.

Maybe there is a mafioso who has a night action, but can forfeit it for the night in order to appear as town?

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hider

Maybe there is a Mafia Hider role, still looking around to see what I can find.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

On the bandwagon upon me I can only say that town will be harmed much more if I do get lynched.

Unfortunately I am unable to roleclaim due to role restrictions.

I'm still curious as to what he meant by this. At this point he should have some information for us, since if he was a protective role or a driver swift shouldn't have died.

0_o wrote:

-I think I got what LS was getting at, thus I believe he is also town

If this statement is true, he should basically know that I'm town. It should be the same reason I'm basically sure he's town.


As for Lyby and animask, Lyby was the one to place Wojjan at L-1, and animask the hammer. Both actions lead to quickly stifling town discussion. If we do have someone who is switching between mafia and town, I'd say it's one of them (If not one of them actually being the mafia in the first place.)


We're still far enough ahead that if I'm going to be a target for a lynch near / at LyLo based on speculations like what Chris is mentioning, I'd rather you lynch me now so you can actually focus on finding the mafia.

why don't you go ahead and roleclaim if you don't care about dying then

tell us what your post restriction was about as well

Sorry for not posting guys, I'm lacking internet at home right now for reasons unknown and I've been at work a lot with a stripped down workstation as I typically work via remote desktop (lol can't do that with no internet at home).

Basically town is awesome this game. It sucks that we lost Swift but it is to be expected, no mafia in their right mind would leave such a powerful role alive for any longer. I think Swift being NK'd while investigating Lyby is just a coincidence and shouldn't really be taken in to account. I'm not saying its impossible for Lyby to be the mafia, but just that we shouldn't take it too seriously as Swift was probably the NK target long before his investigation target was decided.

LS's role seems most suspicious to me. I don't know why a mafia member would try to fake a post restriction so early int he game though, it seems like it would call too much attention.

animask is animask. I don't know how to put this correctly. Hammered the lynch yesterday but the target was Mafia so its okay. However, a mafia about to be down their second member would have to play aggressively and cut-throat to survive.

As for Wojjan's FoS, s/he did that in a previous mafia game when s/he/it was mafia. I wouldn't take it as those people being confirmed town. Also in PyP Mafia I used a similar tactic to try to throw a tiny bit of suspicion off of my mafia buddy Kiddo (which was not really effective but pretty much guaranteed a SK win lmao).

As per Rantai's request I won't FoS or vote anyone at this point in time.