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Rolled

bmin11 wrote:

It's really really REALLY hard to believe you would shoot yourself guessing Rolled swapping you and pieguy.


And ya, Vote: foulcoon
Then how do you suggest pieguy died?
bmin11
Hmm..... Mafia or SK shooting foulcoon?

That's strange... I can't think of who foulcoon would have targetted in that case...
akrolsmir
Mafia shot foul, foul shot LS?
Lilac
Which means he lied...

...again.
Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count
foulcoon (3) - akrosmir, Rolled, bmin
Chris (1) - Chris
Lilac (1) - foulcoon
Lilac
I didn't vote for him but okay...

...If that's how you want to play it, 0_o.
Topic Starter
0_o
shh
Rolled
Mod: Would a Strongman be able to bypass bus driver's ability? If bus driver switched player x and z, and strongman targeted z, who would die?

Unvote
Topic Starter
0_o

Rolled wrote:

Mod: Would a Strongman be able to bypass bus driver's ability? If bus driver switched player x and z, and strongman targeted z, who would die?
Sorry, closed setup.
Rolled
I'm not asking about setup. I'm asking about your hypothetical opinion on the role.
Rolled

MafiaWiki wrote:

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks.
I'm not sure if bus driver is considered a protective role.
Topic Starter
0_o

Rolled wrote:

I'm not asking about setup. I'm asking about your hypothetical opinion on the role.
If you're asking if there could theoretically be a strongman that can penetrate buses, then sure, I'd say it's possible.

EDIT: corrected myself
Rolled
I'm not asking about roleblocks, I'm asking about bus driving.
Rolled
Oh, you ninja. Okay. Change of plans.
akrolsmir
What makes you think that our SK is a strongman?
Rolled
Foulcoon, I knew you weren't smart enough to target yourself last night ^___^ Let me tell you what actually happened:

Foulcoon is mafia, not SK. I believe either he, or his partner, is Mafia Strongman I was ISOing Lilac, and it seems Commuter is the only role that can bypass a Strongman kill, hence it makes sense that Lilac is commuter, and is likely to be protown. Thus, on night three, LS was killed by the serial killer, pieguy was killed by mafia.

Confirmed Town:
Rolled
Akro
Chris
Lilac?

Confirmed Mafia:
Foulcoon

Unknown:
Mashley
Kiddo-kun
bmin11

One at a time:
Mashley ISO
Claims peppy, who's goal in this game is to lynch strager (LS). Believable story. If Mashley was mafia, this would be a brave/bad play, as he is pretty much saying "I am not town, and I have no chance of winning this game." It's similarly brave/bad if he's SK, opening the door for town to lynch him.

Upon LS's death, Mashley claimed that his "win condition is invalidated." What I don't understand is, why are you now a survivor winning with either side? Wouldn't you have already lost the game? Half-win, perhaps? Please elaborate a little, Mashley.

Kiddo-Kun || (rust) ISO:
Needless to say, there isn't shit here. I've stated my suspicions for rust already, and I still hold to them (and they are now supported by Chris being insane/naive.) Rust didn't say shit this whole game, and when I confronted him about it, his response was (paraphrasing) "Why do I need to post when I'm confirmed pro-town?"

You aren't confirmed anymore, Kiddo. So unless you do some quick explaining, you're mafia. You haven't even claimed a role, ffs. Let alone contribute to town.

Bmin ISO:
This one's a bit harder to dissect. Definitely the user who contributes the most, out of the three, by a long shot.
Claimed Daru, equipped with a Daru-ish ability. One thing struck me odd, though:

Bmin wrote:

I'm a 50% chance Detective. If I target the victim (NK'ed) of the night successfully, I'm able to draw the culprit's face

MafiaWiki - Detective wrote:

This role has the ability to track one person's activity each night.
So, if you are the detective as you claim, you have quite the odd ability, for being a detective. The ability you claim to have is not standard to what a normal Detective consists of. In fact, if you were a "100% chance detective," that's still even a much weaker role compared to a standard detective. Do you have any opinions on this subject?

Also noting, I couldn't find "Detective" on the standard mafia wiki. I had to use This One. Couldn't check if there were any variations, such as Chance Detective.
Rolled
Mod: Hypothetical, again ^_^

What exactly is a standard win condition for mafia? Is it just to outnumber town?

ie. 2 town, 2 neutral (both separate) and 3 mafia. Does mafia win in this scenario?
foulcoon
Simply put: I'm sorry Rolled, you're wrong.

I'm probably going to be lynched anyways because nobody thinks I'm smart enough to see through Rolled's super obvious plan. If he was going to vote for my lynch the next day, why wouldn't I pick up on this. Pretty sure Rolled has thought I am mafia this whole time.

thazzit
Rolled
No I thought you were SK this whole time.

Thanks for further eliminating the possibility, though.
foulcoon
Not like it matters, they're both anti-town and both wrong. I don't get why that is incriminating at all.
Rolled
If you were SK/town, you would have said "pretty sure Rolled thought I was SK this whole time."

If you were mafia/town, you would have said "pretty sure Rolled thought I was mafia this whole time."

There's a 0 chance of you being vigilante.

edit:
Lybydose
The Mafia wins when every player who is not mafia is dead, or the game reaches a state where absolutely nothing (taking all living roles into account) can prevent them from winning. In other words, if the mafia can still conceivably lose based on a certain series of actions (no matter how unlikely), the game will continue.

In your given example, it's still possible for mafia to get lynched since all four non-mafia players can vote a mafioso, so the game continues.
Rolled
kk ty lyby

4 town, 2 mafia, 2 independent

If we lynch SK D4, d5= 3 town, 2 mafia, 1 independent. Should be auto-win from then on.

If we lynch mafia D4, d5= 2 town, 1 mafia, 2 independent. D5 we need to lynch SK, or we lose.

If we lynch independent (Mashley) D4, d5= 2 town, 2 mafia, 1 SK. We would need to rely on SK to win, no thanks.

Today we need to lynch Kiddo or bmin. Pretty sure if we lynch the other one D5, town will win.

..maybe? Ideas?
Lybydose
Another thing: In the event of a tie during the day (2 town vs. 2 mafia or similar) in which the lynch is "lol whoever posts first", the mafia will win.
akrolsmir
I don't quite agree with the conclusion that there is a strongman, just based on the fact that pieguy died. Lilac's failure to die doesn't reinforce this point- that is, if he were really a commuter he would have lived regardless of the presence of a strongman or not. Isn't it more likely that someone was targeting foulcoon and it got switched to pieguy?

I'd think that mafia are foulcoon and lilac, with SK being Mashley/Kiddo.

(Ninja'd beyond belief. This had been in response to rolled's post with ISOs)
Rolled
Any opinions on the whole bmin detective bit?
Topic Starter
0_o

Rolled wrote:

Mod: Hypothetical, again ^_^

What exactly is a standard win condition for mafia? Is it just to outnumber town?

ie. 2 town, 2 neutral (both separate) and 3 mafia. Does mafia win in this scenario?
The mafia's goal is to be the only faction left alive, thus they win when nothing can prevent that from happening.

EDIT: WOW I just realized how badly I was ninja'd
Rolled
Hey faceman would you create your own variation of a role without it being available on a wiki or something somewhere? :lol:
Topic Starter
0_o

Rolled wrote:

Hey faceman would you create your own variation of a role without it being available on a wiki or something somewhere? :lol:
Theoretically. <--- word of the day
akrolsmir

Rolled wrote:

Any opinions on the whole bmin detective bit?
On one hand, it's a little too convenient that his ability only works half the time, especially when it's so weak- it provides heck of a lot of deniability if he's faking it, and he can also get us to vote for somebody incorrectly at LyLo. On the other, though, the flavor of the claim seems correct (though I wonder why bmin chose Daru). When you factor in on his general activity, I'm more inclined to vote Kiddo barring further input from him.

Oh, and are you proposing bmin/kiddo as a lynch target over foulcoon? You ran some scenarios, but seemed to have left out the chance of us hitting town- in which case, the next day we have 2 mafia 2 independant 1 town.
Rolled
Well you, myself, and Chris are confirmed town as far as I'm concerned. The only interchangeable two are Lilac and bmin. Lilac's commuter claim was the base of my strongman arguement, so as long as a strongman exists, Lilac is likely town.

Thus, the players we need to eliminate in some order are foulcoon, kiddo, bmin, and mashley, depending on how exactly town wins (i forget these fucking win conditions. We win when mafia is eliminated?)

The theory I have only works in the case that a Strongman exists. Since so far it seems we don't have a roleblocker, I was looking for alternative mafia aux powers. The silencer appeared to be one-shot, and the executioner (or whatever Rantai (?) was) was a shitty role, from what I gathered. Seems to be there needs to be some other form of power within the mafia. Strongman makes sense.

And faceman, if you were theoretically creating a role variation that has no previous presence in a mafia game elsewhere, would you theoretically inform us? (similar to how LS does in her "mafia discussion" threads)
Rolled
I'm interested on Lilac's opinion on the strongman theory.
bmin11
The role being not so effective is why I role claimed without a thought when you asked me to role claim. I honestly think it could have been just 100% chance and still well balanced. I asked if I could just get 100% success rate and why not, but denied and that's why I was late on confirmation (see page 5 and NoHItter's RV for more info). I'm guessing 0_o was trying out new roles and see how the balance work or something.

Reason why I picked Daru. He was my thired option. My first was ThePassingShadow expecting to be a survivor (ya I want an easy role), and DxS just for the heck of it. Why Daru? I saw his name on Off-Topic. Daru was just a space filler. I really didn't expect to get Daru.



People I want for the lynch
Kiddo
foulcoon
Lilac

because they are all 2 mafia + a SK for me by just going through a simple elimination process. Mashley? I'm in trouble believing he could turn up mafia/SK because of "I can't win GG" post, but it certainly is a possibility.
Rolled
Fucking damnit. Akro, your cop oneshot is gone, right?

We could seal the win with that shit :(
bmin11
wait, did he use it? I don't remember reading his result at all D:
Rolled
I think I drove it onto pieguy. He scanned foul.
Rolled
Hopppppppppefully it's not gone, since you examined a dead person? Come on faceman, one time :D
akrolsmir
Yep, I got pieguy as a result (of course, else this would be too easy right?). Interestingly enough the result was also "unknown", but that probably just means "vanilla", with an ascetic modifier. That means I'm just a confirmed townie, now, having wasted my protection that last night.

I don't think Bmin could make up that stuff about his role, especially that part about being late.

bmin11 wrote:

People I want for the lynch
Kiddo
foulcoon
Lilac
1. If foulcoon is mafia:

-Lilac is too, else mafia would just have killed Lilac. He wouldn't be a commuter, because there were three kills that night two/wojjan died. Kiddo is then SK?

2. If foulcoon is SK:

-Lilac is actually townie commuter? Mashley + Kiddo are mafia. The problem with this scenario is, who then killed two/wojjan that night?
-Lilac is scum (foulcoon decided it'd be better to let him live as an easier lynch target). Other mafia could be anyone.
Lilac
I also had an idea that there actually might not be two Mafia left, but only one... However, this thought meant that I sympathized with a LOT of people and that there's a set possibility of a 3rd independent, possibly Chris. So I scrapped this idea pretty early.

That said, akro's dead set on killing me. Uguu. T_T

With Rolled's Strongman argument, I'm thinking that it might be possible but I'm not 100% sure. It's times like these I wish our Setup Sleuth didn't die N1.

I also don't doubt bmin's role like I said before, it's too elaborate and detailed to be made up. Though I'll be damned if he did. The safest lynch today would be foul or Kiddo in my opinion.
Lilac
Hold up, speaking of that. Let's rewind back to N1.

Only one person died during N1, I didn't use my commuter ability at that time and considering that there was the mafia and SK lose it's an odd phenomenon to wonder why one one person died.

Opinions?
Mashley

Rolled wrote:

Upon LS's death, Mashley claimed that his "win condition is invalidated." What I don't understand is, why are you now a survivor winning with either side? Wouldn't you have already lost the game? Half-win, perhaps? Please elaborate a little, Mashley.
This is what I assumed would happen too - out of interest at the start of the game I asked what would happen if LS got nightkilled, but 0_o simply said I'd find out if it happened. And what happened was I became a survivor.
foulcoon
you guys keep forgetting the "hypothetical" situation that I'm neither mafia nor SK, btw. I'm starting to lose hope.
Lilac
Fine, let's see.

If foulcoon wasn't mafia or SK my attention would be towards Chris. Chris would not be SK but definitely Mafia. His partner would have been rust/Kiddo because if lied about his role, he would have thought to pull out the naïve card at D2 while hiding his partner D1 with a bunch of other people.

Which means SK is Mash or anyone else really... I'm not even sure.
Lilac
Hence the only safest option in my opinion is...

Vote: Kiddo
akrolsmir

foulcoon wrote:

you guys keep forgetting the "hypothetical" situation that I'm neither mafia nor SK, btw. I'm starting to lose hope.
Yeah because it's basically impossible, given the number of kills and people who were killed. Oh, unless you want to claim something other than night vig?

@Lilac- safest vote is still foulcoon. I did forget the possibility that chris is scum (thanks for reminding me), but I don't believe that too much for now. Kiddo is pretty scummy, especially with all that lurking, so I wouldn't be against his lynch but I'd still go with foulcoon first.
Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count

foulcoon (2) akrosmir bmin
Chris (1) Chris
Lilac (1) foulcoon
Kiddo-kun (1) Lilac

1 day, 2.5 hours remaining

EDIT: didn't see Rolled's unvote.
Rolled

Lilac wrote:

Hold up, speaking of that. Let's rewind back to N1.

Only one person died during N1, I didn't use my commuter ability at that time and considering that there was the mafia and SK lose it's an odd phenomenon to wonder why one one person died.

Opinions?
Wojjan most likely either jailed the SK, or jailed the target. Didn't really go back and read who she is likely to have jailed.

Chris being mafia isn't really something we can consider right now. We have no room to lynch him, and we're already nearing lylo.

I'm fine with foulcoon, I guess. vote foulcoon for like the fourth time today.
Lilac
I'd like to vote for foulcoon but I'm afraid just in case the real mafia douche will hammer him so they can win at the end.
Lilac
Oh screw it.

Vote: foulcoon

Let's see whoever hammers him.
foulcoon
More time to focus on other games I guess.

I've done all I can to persuade you guys from making a mistake.
Chris_old
unvote vote foulcoon
Lilac
Look at this Chris guy.

What a fag, seriously. I'll be damned if you lynched town.
Chris_old

Lilac wrote:

Look at this Chris guy.

What a fag, seriously. I'll be damned if you lynched town.
lol you think foulcoon is town
Lilac

Lilac wrote:

I'll be damned if you lynched town.
Chris_old

Lilac wrote:

Lilac wrote:

I'll be damned if you lynched town.
not gonna happen
Chris_old
Also, for the lulz I targeted myself last night. I had a feeling Rolled would switch me my target. Seems like I was right, boy is this game getting hilarious
that was like, the worst lie I've ever seen.

totally.
bmin11
If you think he is town, don't vote. You encourged the hammer.

EDIT: by voting the 4th vote I mean
Lilac
I acknowledged this before, bmin. Goddamnit, does anyone even care anymore?
bmin11
No. I just didn't like you calling Chris a fag for hammering.
Chris_old
I really expect the roleplay part of this for me to like, come at him at the last second and cut his head off or something

or something like that only online
Lilac
Hope that 0_o or Doc does that then.

Eyelander, guys! Or Half-Zatochi, that's equally as cool as well.
foulcoon
The fact that I was able to survive until day 4 is a testament to how hilarious this game was, especially when my team was retarded (except rantai, he just got shit on). Good fight, guys.
foulcoon
I would also like to add before Rolled gets a big head that I killed LS, not pieguy. Looks like the Sk wanted me dead and you got a townie killed instead. High five lolol.

Go serial killer!
akrolsmir
At least I got the "someone shot foul, foul shot LS" part right.

Also it sounds like all mafia are dead now? That would be pretty awesome.
Lilac
And I think I've just figured out who's SK.

Oh wow...I have to reread this thread again to confirm.
akrolsmir
Want to tell us before he shoots you?
foulcoon

Lilac wrote:

And I think I've just figured out who's SK.

Oh wow...I have to reread this thread again to confirm.

Yeah, you, kiddo, or bmin.

Leaning you.

I hope you win, serial killer.
Lilac
It's Kiddo or Chris.

I really would have preferred a Kiddo lynch today though to confirm that.
Lilac
Kiddo hasn't really said anything much to confirm his identity as town, plus process of elimination shows that.

More unlikely though, Chris was probably elaborate with roleclaim but to have suddenly gone broke as to be naive... Bleh, I dunno. Still reading. Hold on.
Lilac
It all actually depends on tonight's kill.

rust being replaced with Kiddo didn't really help. I just think it's safe to lynch him tomorrow.

Also, the SK won't have the balls to kill me. I dare you.
foulcoon

Lilac wrote:

Also, the SK won't have the balls to kill me. I dare you.
Why did you just roleclaim serial killer.
Lybydose
Final Vote Count:

foulcoon (5) - Lilac, Chris, bmin11, Rolled, akrolsmir
Lilac (1) - foulcoon

Not Voting - Kiddo-kun, Mashley

Writing terrible lynch scene now
Lybydose
Since there were only eight people left, everyone decided it would be way more interesting to solve this case with a multiplayer game. After all, there aren't too many high ranked BATs anyway.

There was, of course, only one map suitable for such a showdown - Marisa.

Chris took the early lead, but missed a note a few seconds into the map. He immediately raged and just stopped playing. He quickly fell into last place when his life bar completely depleted.

Everyone else was doing fairly well except for awp, who was struggling to stay alive. It was probably due to the eyepatch blocking his sight. Oh, it also doesn't help that Cuddlebun was constantly PM'ing him. He eventually failed, but was still a fair bit ahead of Chris.

Just before the final deathstream though, Chris decided that awp had to go. Gathering a reserve of finger tapping speed normally seen only in Taiko players, Chris full-comboed the entire stream sequence with ease. All 300's of course. It was more than enough to put his score above awp's.

awp didn't even care, he was too busy rocking out to Armcannon.

foulcoon (awp) - Strongman - Lynched D4

It is now Night 4, you've got 24 hours. Again, you may send actions to either me or faceman.
Chris_old
Lybydose
Everyone wakes up and logs on osu! at the exact same time somehow.

Well except peppy, who was already online. By "online" I mean he was spamming the channels with Random Jibberish and talking about how clever he was to have hacked peppy's account. Then Banchobot banned him for spamming. You somehow get the idea that no one is going to bother removing his ban for a while.

Looks like they got peppy too. That can't be good...

Mashley (peppy) - Survivor - Nightkilled N4

It is now Day 5, with 6 alive it's 4 to lynch.

You have 3 days from this post.
Chris_old
vote: kiddo
bmin11
@Kiddo
Have you read the thread yet?
Rolled
They targeted you last night, akro. I played it a little conservative with mashley.
Kiddo-Kun

bmin11 wrote:

@Kiddo
Have you read the thread yet?
Kinda skimmed through it. Probably missed some important information.
bmin11
Wanna role claim?
Rolled
Vote kiddo from iPhone
akrolsmir
Thanks, rolled.
---
Most to least likely:

Kiddo
Chris
Lilac
bmin
Rolled
akrolsmir

Today was supposed to be when we lynch chris, but in light of what's been happening recently vote: Kiddo

Night actions, everyone?

Actually unvote, I don't want to have him at L1 already.
Chris_old
stop stalling
akrolsmir
... me or kiddo?
Chris_old

akrolsmir wrote:

... me or kiddo?
you

kiddo dies = town wins
bmin11
If Kiddo says nothing (no inputs on the game) for the first 24 hours of D5, I'm voting for him.
akrolsmir
Same. Meanwhile, chris seems to be encouraging the easy lynch to get to the next night a lot quicker.
Chris_old

akrolsmir wrote:

Same. Meanwhile, chris seems to be encouraging the easy lynch to get to the next night a lot quicker.
or you can sit here for a couple of days and come up with the exact same outcome

if you think I'm anything but town you're bad
Lilac
I think Chris has a point. I mean, what can Kiddo possibly say to get himself out of this?
bmin11
Ya I'm pretty confident he is SK for not being able to role claim on D3 or something. I just don't feel it's right to hammer it without giving any chances or indicating "You are in danger. Try to prove yourself"
Lilac
Well think about it...

...I'm pretty sure rust didn't claim anything as well.
akrolsmir
Oh yeah, I wanted to mention that it's possible there's still one mafia lurking around. I mean, foulcoon obviously indicated to the contrary but it could be disinformation.
Lilac
In this game, I wouldn't be surprised if the Mafia faction has disappeared already. The fact is we NEED to find the SK and the most likely one is Kiddo.

If anyone else is Mafia, it's Chris and we can just lynch him next day.
Chris_old
there is no more mafia

kiddo is last

hurry up and hammer so we can win

pretty sure SK wins with whatever side wins

otherwise lynch bmin tomorrow cause he's SK
Lilac
Vote: Kiddo

Let's get this over and done with. Overthinking can hurt one's brain too much.
Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count

Kiddo-kun (3) Chris Rolled Lilac
Lilac
Look at this 0_o guy.

Just 0_oing.
bmin11
23 hours, but that's good enough

Vote: Kiddo-kun
Topic Starter
0_o
That's the lynch, 1 sec.
bmin11
Leaving for a short field trip by the way
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