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Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
actually Vote: NoHitter

This entire charade has gone on long enough really. Your questions were terrible conversation-starters, and nothing more than that, and voting based on that single question is either bad play or bad scumplay. As everyone has been stating there are far too much holes in your explanation (How did Chris know which people to send in to get scum? Why do you assume Chris actually receiving a role he likes to play? Why do you assume Non-BATs to still be scum when the opening post was adamant in identifying the BATs as mafia? There's probably more other people have stated) and even so there's the strange singling out on Chris you're doing. DxS answered "Independant" which at worst is killer/cult and at best a survivor and even they can joint with mafia. Mashley responded with "Anything that can kill." You're focusing so much on Chris that you're starting to look like a lyncher or something.
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o

NoHItter wrote:

Mod: How do you select preference over the 1st choice, etc?
Priority-wise, we treated all three choices as equal. The roles picked were decided mostly by the best role we could come up with out of your selections (while still keeping balance).
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

Wojjan wrote:

How did Chris know which people to send in to get scum?
On the top of my head - known troublemakers. The entire corrupt BATs flavor may have not fit his initial intention, but (look two quotes below)

Wojjan wrote:

Why do you assume Chris actually receiving a role he likes to play?
I didn't. I said he MAY have a chance to receive a role which he actually likes - which is scum.
I never said he did get it. At most, I said he could have influenced the roles he wanted.

Wojjan wrote:

Why do you assume Non-BATs to still be scum when the opening post was adamant in identifying the BATs as mafia?
Tell me then, what do you perceive those I've mentioned as? Townies?

Wojjan wrote:

and even so there's the strange singling out on Chris you're doing. DxS answered "Independant" which at worst is killer/cult and at best a survivor and even they can joint with mafia.
The problem with DxS is, unlike with picking scum, picking an independent role is harder to influence.

Wojjan wrote:

Mashley responded with "Anything that can kill." You're focusing so much on Chris that you're starting to look like a lyncher or something
"Anything that can kill" can also be a Vig. Not to mention getting specific action roles may be difficult.

Incidentally, Unvote
We're out of RVS now.
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11

Wojjan wrote:

you're starting to look like a lyncher or something
inb4 Ephemeral
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
1,384 posts
Joined July 2008
foulcoon
I feel like Ephemeral could get a role like Valhalla-er. Like a Doctor/Guardian Angel, he preserves epic threads with a lock and Valhalla lol.
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn

bmin11 wrote:

I guess I should go back lurking since asking a question is clearly a scum-tell in this game >_>
So, you're focused on avoiding scum-tells? That seems suspicious to me. :?

However, I'll vote akrolsmir. I can't explain it, just a gut feeling >.<
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count
NoHItter (3) - Mashley, adam2046, Wojjan
DxS (2) - Chris, Two
bmin11 (1) - akrolsmir
akrolsmir (1) - pieguy1372
Wojjan (1) - foulcoon

Due to my schedule I am extending the deadline to 48 hours from this post.
Last edited by 0_o , edited 2 times in total.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan

NoHItter wrote:

Tell me then, what do you perceive those I've mentioned as? Townies?
Yes. IF those roles were actually picked, I can see strager being a miller, Roblox can be a noob and as such vanilla town, I don't know Esupantrix. If we're not only going to guess who Chris picked, but also guess what his persumed pick got him as role, then it might be more efficient to just outright asking for a claim. Which I'm sure you'll agree is a bad idea.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
You're also completely avoiding the fact that it's equally hard to gun for mafia if you don't know the flavor and have to send in three roles.

NoHItter wrote:

I didn't. I said he MAY have a chance to receive a role which he actually likes - which is scum.
I never said he did get it. At most, I said he could have influenced the roles he wanted.
Then why did you FOS him over it? If you're suspicious of him (which the S in FOS means) you must be either considering or assuming he's mafia or otherwise anti-town.
rust45
1,085 posts
Joined May 2009
rust45
NoHitter unvoted just so you know.
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o

rust45 wrote:

NoHitter unvoted just so you know.
Thanks, fixed.
adam2046
1,653 posts
Joined April 2008
adam2046

pieguy1372 wrote:

However, I'll vote akrolsmir. I can't explain it, just a gut feeling >.<
Why are you voting someone (who has said barely anything interesting) on gut feeling when you just said you find someone suspicious?
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn

adam2046 wrote:

pieguy1372 wrote:

However, I'll vote akrolsmir. I can't explain it, just a gut feeling >.<
Why are you voting someone (who has said barely anything interesting) on gut feeling when you just said you find someone suspicious?
Because that's what I always do on the first day unless it's painfully obvious. While I find what bmin11 did suspicious, I have a gut feeling he's not mafia.
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
I just found it funny how the two people who asked questions (NoHItter and me) got voted on. I didn't take it seriously at all.


I won't be able to post for a day or two. Got a flight to Canada.
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
It's not just about asking questions, it's also about the content of the questions- the ones you chose seem to be delaying tactics rather than something designed to get content. Filler, so to speak.

Also, claiming that you didn't care about those questions doesn't really alleviate my suspicions.
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
NoHItter asking questions doesn't make him mafia or town. He did it last game and he was town, so given that that's his strategy as town the optimal mafia strategy would be to mimic it, since it doesn't really directly harm any mafia members...

In other words, NoHItter asking questions dosen't give us any more information.
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter asking questions doesn't make him mafia or town. He did it last game and he was town, so given that that's his strategy as town the optimal mafia strategy would be to mimic it, since it doesn't really directly harm any mafia members...

In other words, NoHItter asking questions dosen't give us any more information.
The difference is in how NoHItter uses those questions he had us answer. That does indeed give us information, though what that information means varies from person to person.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

Wojjan wrote:

You're also completely avoiding the fact that it's equally hard to gun for mafia if you don't know the flavor and have to send in three roles.
True that the entire BAT thing was unexpected, but my argument was based on picking the known troublemakers who I didn't think someone would think be town. Fine, I concede the point.
unFoS: Chris but that's based on set-up speculation only.

Wojjan wrote:

Then why did you FOS him over it? If you're suspicious of him (which the S in FOS means) you must be either considering or assuming he's mafia or otherwise anti-town.
Perhaps I used FoS in the wrong sense in regards to what you perceive of it. I use FoS when I think someone does something suspicious. It does not mean that I think that person is necessarily scum or anti-town. I think a better term would be IGMEOY. So yes I did find Chris suspicious at that time - based on my reasoning.

Will make a post of my thoughts regarding everyone soon.
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Posting from the airport

Speculating about the setup
As rust45 said, this can't be a bad info for us. Is there any kind of anti-town roles who would be interested on how many mafias would there be?

and implying a no lynch seems like you're trying to sidetrack the town from actually doing anything day 1.
There was nothing going on at the moment. I wanted to start a discussion with this question. I also don't agree with No Lynch, but by discussing this matter, I was hoping someone could come up with possible tactics and such.

I can't fully explain at the moment due to the lack of time I have, but I can't see how these could possibly disbenefit townies.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
Okay, we'll do it bmin's way.

Vote: DxS. Talk.
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai

bmin11 wrote:

As rust45 said, this can't be a bad info for us. Is there any kind of anti-town roles who would be interested on how many mafias would there be?
I'm thinking a Serial Killer might benefit from such information.

akrolsmir wrote:

It's not just about asking questions, it's also about the content of the questions- the ones you chose seem to be delaying tactics rather than something designed to get content. Filler, so to speak.

Also, claiming that you didn't care about those questions doesn't really alleviate my suspicions.
Or he could have been asking a question in order to fill in some gaps of his own. Take the first one, he easily could have just been asking how many mafia does a typical game of this size have.
DeathxShinigami
1,176 posts
Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami

Lilac wrote:

Vote: DxS. Talk.
This again really?

I'm just going to say I'm pro town for now but if I really had useful thoughts or ideas I'd say them sheesh.
Mashley
2,042 posts
Joined September 2008
Mashley
Unvote, vote NoHItter. His questions were just pointless, it seems almost as if he intended from the start to call someone out on their answers for no good reason. And then as soon as soon as others start questioning him he completely changes his mind about everything. Maybe he just hadn't though his argument through well enough, but the day is nearly over and he's the most suspicious person atm.
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count
DxS (3) - Chris, Two, Lilac
NoHItter (3) - adam2046, Wojjan, Mashley
bmin11 (1) - akrolsmir
akrolsmir (1) - pieguy1372
Wojjan (1) - foulcoon

24 hours left
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
yeah bmin's town as shit I don't even know why akro is still fighting that point.
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
Okay fine, I'm convinced. Unvote, FoS DxS try again, harder. Are you really that bad/disinterested in helping town?
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Does anyone knows what happened to animask by any chance?
DeathxShinigami
1,176 posts
Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
bmin's got a point. There's someone else again whose even more inactive than me...
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Doesn't necessarily makes you an active player though >_<... You guys both need to post your thoughts for the least.
adam2046
1,653 posts
Joined April 2008
adam2046

DeathxShinigami wrote:

bmin's got a point. There's someone else again whose even more inactive than me...
Oh, then that's ok then.
rust45
1,085 posts
Joined May 2009
rust45
I have a feeling animask has an excuse for being inactive, such as his role.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
> do a suspicious thing

> no wait maybe it's their role
Mashley
2,042 posts
Joined September 2008
Mashley
Now that you point it out, animask's silence is very fishy. He's active in the other game, so it's not as if he's vanished altogether. Maybe prod him?
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
animask has been prodded.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter
It's less than 24 hours until deadline.
I think those who still are in RVS should unvote and vote who they think is most suspicious at this point.

Thoughts on Each Player:

LadySuburu
- Answers RQS
- Says that it's hard to influence what role you may get in this set-up.
- Somewhat agrees though that it may be possible depending whether I did it before and if people are telling the truth.
- States that the RQS may indeed have given information.
Nothing much pinging me. Neutral.

Wojjan
- Votes Two (RVS I assume) and accuses him of being Quaraezha
- Shows eagerness to end RQS
- Some filler posts
- Votes akrol for voting bmin based on bad reasoning which is set-up spec and implying a no lynch
- Votes me on the holes of my reasoning (which I defended)
- Implies that the reasoning of some people relating suspicion with role related restrictions to be bad reasoning. (which I agree)
Actual scumhunting. Town.

Mashley
- Answers RQS then votes me for making him answer questions. (RVS though?)
- Disagrees on my argument relating influencing roles. Gives reasons.
- Unvotes and votes me on (see below). (Technically, you were still voting for me)
- Says that my RQS was useless (I disagree - it was a starter; to get the game rolling). Also says I was planning to call someone out for no good reason based on my answers. (I already elaborated and gave reasons on why I found Chris suspicious based on his answers). Also says that I double backed on my statement. (I admit it's true, but I still maintain that at that time I thought it was a great argument.)
- Pre-empts himself and his vote by saying that maybe what I did wasn't well thought, but I was still most suspicious and since time is running out.
Some faulty arguments coming out of him, and I find pre-empting himself just in case I do flip town kind of suspicious. Leaning Scum.

animask
- Answers RQS.
- Disappears afterwards.
Nothing at all to talk about. Null

adam2046
- Answers RQS. I find the answer to 2) kind of suspicious.
- Bandwagon votes me. (late RVS vote?)
- Attacks pieguy for voting based on gut when he found someone else suspicious. (The argument makes sense)
Some scumhunting, but lurky. Leaning Town

Two
- Answers RQS.
- Roleclaims Quaraezha. To provide confirmed town and to explain his post restriction (3 posts per mafia day and font) before he gets called out for it.
- Votes DxS for lurking
Flavor-wise it seems Two is town. Disregarding flavor, I don't see any benefit for scum to claim this early in the game either. Town

Lilac
- Arrives late, but still answers RQS.
- Claims that the flavor at the start should be taken with a grain of salt until proven.
- Agrees that non-BATs may still be Mafia.
- Votes DxS because of lurking. Contradicts answer to RQS saying that he'll only vote very suspicious people because of the large player pool.
Gut says town, but the entire voting of DxS makes me wary. Neutral.

rust45
- Answers RQS.
- Questions me on my FoS on Chris
- Agrees that no lynch is bad, but set-up spec may be good.
- Says that animask's inactivty may be the result of his role. (I don't think this is a solid stance to take. Even Two's post restriction enabled him to post)
Nothing pinging except for the stance on animask which is minor. Neutral

pieguy1372
- Answers RQS.
- Votes akrol, but states that bmin is suspicious.
- When pressed, states that he has gut feeling that bmin is town. Also says that "that's what he always does on Day 1".
- Says that asking questions does not indicate towniness.
- Also states that the info from RQS is useless. (I disagree)
A bit wary on the policy lynch regarding Day 1. Leaning Scum

foulcoon
- Says that the answers to RQS can be found in another Mafia thread.
- Votes Wojjan for voting Two (at that moment, Two did seem confirmed town with his claim)
Needs to post more - nothing is pinging me though. Neutral

DeathxShinigami
- Answers RQS
- Very bluntly distances himself from bmin
- Lurks then responds to the pressure votes by saying he's pro-town while doing nothing to show that >.>
- Agrees with bmin that there's someone else more lurky than him.
Midly suspicious. Leaning Scum

akrolsmir
- Answers RQS
- Votes bmin saying that bmin's questions don't seem to have any town interests in mind.
- Attacks bmin further when bmin says that he didn't acre about those questions.
- Unvotes bmin after bmin elaborates. Pressure votes DxS.
Some scumhunting. Leaning Town.

Haneii
- Answers RQS
- Counters my argument about Chris based on the flavor. Asks "what am I up to".
- Points out the flavor again.
Nothing pinging either. Neutral.

Chris
- Answers RQS
- Already explained my reasoning on his possible suspicion.
- Uses WIFOM as counterarguments though.
Still kind of suspicious because of usage of WIFOM. Leaning Scummy.

bmin11
- Answers RQS
- Asks his own questions. (After thinking about it, both seem justified IMO)
- When pressed, backs out of the question - stating that asking questions is now suspicious. (Suspicious behavior - backing out like that)
- Finally argues back solidly. Also points out animask's disappearance.
The backing out is scummy, but I find asking those questions were townie. Neutral.

Rantai
- Answers RQS by linking to a previous thread.
- Defends Chris regarding my argument.
- Attacks bmin regarding the questions. Serial killers may benefit from the question. (So can town)
Needs to post more, but so far my looks like Town.

LunaticMara
- Answers RQS
- Asks where Rantai and Lilac are.
- hasn't posted at all about the game itself >.>
Needs to post more about the game. Null.

List from Scum to Town:
Mashley
DeathxShinigami
Chris
pieguy1372
animask
LunaticMara
Haneii
Lilac
foulcoon
LadySuburu
rust45
bmin11
Rantai
adam2046
akrolsmir
Two
Wojjan

If possible, I want everyone to make a list of what they think everyone is.
From what I noticed, a lot of people are ignoring some others. It's better if we all comment on everyone.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter
Based on the list:
Vote: Mashley
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn

NoHItter wrote:

pieguy1372
- Answers RQS.
- Votes akrol, but states that bmin is suspicious.
- When pressed, states that he has gut feeling that bmin is town. Also says that "that's what he always does on Day 1".
- Says that asking questions does not indicate towniness.
- Also states that the info from RQS is useless. (I disagree)
A bit wary on the policy lynch regarding Day 1. Leaning Scum
-I didn't at all say it was useless. I said that it doesn't give us any information as to whether you were town or mafia, because that's how I presume you always play (you've done this the past few games I was in). >.<

-I most certainly vote on my gut day 1, because on day 1 it is more likely than later that the most suspicious people aren't actually mafia. It's just basic statistics, if you have a small sample size, the larger the sample variance and the more likely it is a "false positive" occurs with a lower critical value. As we get more information, we can better make decisions on who actually is more suspicious, and what was just a statistical error. I vote by my gut because of this, as it's hard to reasonably tell who's actually mafia based on concrete evidence by the first day alone.
Mara
4,907 posts
Joined November 2009
Mara
Alright, I'll tell about my feelings and stuff once I get back from work + sleep. (It's like 6AM and I am going at office soon)
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
Wojjan - Actual scumhunting. Town.
Two - Flavor-wise it seems Two is town. Town
I find it suspicious that you consider both Two and Wojjan as definite town, when everyone else is "leaning" in a direction. You also gave multiple reasons for Two being town, but ranked him below Wojjan? Why?

Chris - Already explained my reasoning on his possible suspicion.
"Don't want to remind everyone how terrible my attempt at getting Chris lynched was."

- Uses WIFOM as counterarguments though.
I didn't realize we had results from a confirmed aux role. Oh wait, we don't.

Everything you've written is "WIFOM", including the reasons you have for thinking someone is Town/Mafia. Your arguing is some of the weakest I've ever seen. You actually placed me at number three on your list, with the only reason being that I said I wanted to be mafia (which like I said above, was conveniently left out).

You already backed out of your "saying you enjoy Mafia makes you Mafia" argument after everyone disagreed with you, yet you continue to cling to the fact you believe I am scum. I guess it doesn't really matter though, just makes our job easier.

unvote

Vote: NoHitter
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii
@ NoHItter

I don't agree with most of your conclusions :/. I find your reasoning for voting Mashley ridiculous (sorry if I'm being harsh but that's my honest opinion). It's Town vs Mafia - not NoHItter vs Mafia. Just because Mashely disagrees with your theories/suggestions, thinks your RQS is useless, and votes you doesn't mean he's mafia. Of course Mashley could be mafia, but not for those reasons.
Focusing on people who appear to be threat to you (as opposed to town as a whole) seems like a mafia thing to do...

I felt uneasy when you targeted Chris and I feel worse about your Mashely vote.

I also don't understand how most of the people you listed as Town (even some of the neutrals) earned those titles.

vote: NoHItter

There's a good chance that you're probably just not thinking things through but atm I don't find anyone else suspicious enough for me to vote, sorry.

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Probably a stupid question: What is "flavor" ?
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
What I'm worried is multiple people over defending Chris. You guys defence to the point where it's almost unnecessary. No new points were given through the discussing of "How people's preferrence effects the role given", but pointing out the same "It's hard to influence your given role because of the different set up". Do we need like half of the players to point this out? Or are you just trying to get an easy town points?

This also makes me uneasy to vote for NoHItter. I haven't seen a real attempt on doing anything to defend NoHItter (the only one I can think of is akrolsmir and Haneii showing suspicion toward me). It was an easy situation for the mafia to take their hands off from this arguements. However, NoHItter continues to bring his points about Chris. It's deadly obvious it's dangerous to persue the point no one agreed on. Is it actually worth it for the mafia? Not sure, but I think it's stupid to risk it's teammate like that for a lynch while they still have a long way to go.

Now about Two, tbh it's hard for me to believe Two would choose Q as a role he wants to play. He is very motivated on playing mafia games (atleast I haven't seen him being a quiet townie before) but choosing Q, who's known for lurking, contradicts his interest. The way he wasted his posts also isn't very "Two like". Answerring RVQ which is never useful with the post itself, role claiming (this may be useful, but could have just waited for us to figure it out. Being revealed as a lurking role doesn't make you scum), and a vote against DxS because of lurking. Really? It almost seems as if he just gave up on this game, but this doesn't really convince me because of his PM. He PM'd me to join this game. Doesn't seem like he would be disinterested if he even goes around asking people to join this game. It's really hard for me to believe his role claim and his behavior :<...
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
And yes, the vote against Mashley was stupid. False thinking isn't necessarily a scum tell. He also didn't had to reason you because others already have anyway >_>... Emptying does seems suspicious, but also reasonable for townies since there's no info for us on D1 and staying open minded is also a requirement for townies.
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii

bmin11 wrote:

I haven't seen a real attempt on doing anything to defend NoHItter (the only one I can think of is akrolsmir and Haneii showing suspicion toward me).
o.o

Don't want to go offtopic but can you quickly clarify that? When have a I shown suspicion towards you, bmin11
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Oh right. I meant Rantai. Sorry Haneii
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Hmm outside of Two (who I'm going to believe is not anti-town) I don't have very strong opinions on anyone yet.

I'm only mildly suspicious of pieguy and that's only because I disagree with voting on a gut feeling alone.

@bmin, how does casting suspicion at you defend NoHItter?
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
@bmin, how does casting suspicion at you defend NoHItter?
Same theory akrolsmir brought it up against me, attempt on side tracking. I don't really take it in to the case though (that's why I just bracketed it)
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
I didn't actually do this yet but Vote: DxS, you're still not helping yourself. About everyone else: NoHitter seems wrong on a few points (which have been pointed out) but not necessarily scummy. I still don't get the Mashley vote. Nobody else really stands out atm, though I think bmin made a good point about Two.

We've got a lot of people not voting:

Lady Suburu, animask, rust45, DxS, bmin11, rantai, LunaticMara

Some of you guys have just been lurking the whole time but some (bmin, rantai) have been deliberating. Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
Mara
4,907 posts
Joined November 2009
Mara
Ah, fuck it, pardon my quality of text - I'm tired - and at work.

Chris wrote:

You also gave multiple reasons for Two being town, but ranked him below Wojjan? Why?
Anyways, I've been lurking around this thread a lot and now I'm ready to tell my opinions... Though I have never been good at this shit.

Yes, NoHItter's RQS took too much time, but I don't really give a fuck. At least most people (all?) answered it. I just don't understand how those questions are helping us. (More exprienced player, please explain)

I'll trust Two, Wojjan and bmin11 for now. Wojjan and bmin11 seems to be really active on this. Two's roleclaim looks legit. I may be wrong though, but it's not photoshopped or anything.

DxS looks a little bit suspicious to me due his "I-I'm a t-townie, you f-fools!", but meh. He's neutral to me, for now.

Chris looks also pretty weirdo guy, but I guess it's because he's a new guy on forums anyways. Speaking of favorite roles, (Chris likes mafia, wasn't it?) I don't think there was any chance to know what roles to use to get a mafia. Like, only "corrupted BATs" were mentioned AFTERWARDS. It could have been names NoHItter mentioned (but who wants to be WvsW? Really?)

Rantai seems to be inactive too, but he is in Forum Games at the moment, so I guess he's doing something. I really hope you will show yourself and show me your love. This damn guy posted already when I was writing this. Anyway, same thing with animask, though. Haven't seen that guy loooooong time. And foulcoon too. Though I am the one who is inactive here...

pieguy1372's "gut feeling" sounds so weird that I want to cry. Gut feelings everywhere. You don't seem to be a scum, but damn - it's not about gut feelings in here!

I don't know about akrolsmir. I don't know this guy at all (or Chris) but this guy seems to be active too. I think he is a townie. I also have problems thinking about LadySuburu and Lilac. LadySuburu is explaining things right there (and kind of did answer my question above, still needs more detailed answer though), but Lilac sounds like a harsh police officer. ("TALK!") I dunno, pretty neutral about him ATM. Everyone else on the list is still total mystery to me, so I'm not going to even try to say something about them. I'll make sure I've got something to say about them next time.

And I'll answer bmin11's questions now because it seems I missed them.

1. Since this game is biggie,I don't think there aren't just 2 mafias, maybe 3 or 4?
2. For damn sake, do NOT vote No Lynch on D1. It goes nowhere.

And I'm going to

Vote: Mashley

gut feeling

I don't know why is he voting because he has to answer questions. That doesn't make sense, so I'll make some sense. I'm voting because he is voting. Makes total sense, eh?

ok back to work, my name is gabe newell and episode 3 has been delayed
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

akrolsmir wrote:

I didn't actually do this yet but Vote: DxS, you're still not helping yourself. About everyone else: NoHitter seems wrong on a few points (which have been pointed out) but not necessarily scummy. I still don't get the Mashley vote. Nobody else really stands out atm, though I think bmin made a good point about Two.

We've got a lot of people not voting:

Lady Suburu, animask, rust45, DxS, bmin11, rantai, LunaticMara

Some of you guys have just been lurking the whole time but some (bmin, rantai) have been deliberating. Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
I'll state this again since I seem to have to a lot.

I don't vote unless I'm convinced enough that someone's scum. I'm not voting, therefore...

I'll say what I think about the two players who seem most likely to be lynched.

DeathxShinigami - Wasn't really posting much content after being called out for lurking, but if I'm remembering correctly offhand he's done things like this before while town and isn't good at defending himself. Still, it's kind-of suspicious anytime someone does it. (Though, not enough to offset my giving him the benefit of the doubt at the moment.)

NoHItter - The long list of thoughts throws me off, since he's never done that before to my knowledge. Also the way he used his questions also bugs me. However, all of this is heavilly gut, which is why I'm not voting him.

If I absolutely HAD to vote right now, I would vote for NoHItter.
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai

LunaticMara wrote:

Rantai seems to be inactive too, but he is in Forum Games at the moment, so I guess he's doing something. I really hope you will show yourself and show me your love. This damn guy posted already when I was writing this.
<3

akrolsmir wrote:

Some of you guys have just been lurking the whole time but some (bmin, rantai) have been deliberating. Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
You sound like you really want something hammered and quite frankly that concerns me (rushing votes for the sake of voting will most likely end with a mislynch).

As I've mentioned I'm not convinced enough to vote anyone with confidence. If I were to choose a vote now it'd have the same weight as a random vote.
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
Hammer or not someone's dying in about 15 hours. What I'm interested in is the voting record people leave behind.
rust45
1,085 posts
Joined May 2009
rust45
I really suck at voting on D1, it's always hard to find someone who actually seems suspicious unless somebody does something really stupid.
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii
@ people voting DxS

Why? Because he isn't talking? It's day one and nearly everyone isn't/doesn't seem to be suspicious enough to be mafia. Many of you are
undecided on who could be mafia - yet some of you attack DxS for not actively voting/targeting someone and I don't get it. I feel a bit sorry for him - people voting him left and right. He probably isn't sure enough about anyone (like most of us are). What do you expect him to say/do to defend himself? Are you guys aware he isn't the only one lurking?

FoS on everyone voting or who had voted for DxS - mafia ganging up on an easy target?

If not, I wish our towns people were more productive >_<
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
I only voted for DxS because I was following bmin's logic.

But DxS didn't say anything like he always does. In fact, he only replied to me which means he REALLY likes me which REALLY freaks me out.

Lurking is no good, it doesn't help town~ Come on guys, sing with me.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter
Claim: mm201
Since I'm high up in the osu! hierarchy, I can access the player database and look up the identity of a player each night.
I'll get their username and a short description.
I win when all anti-town forces are eliminated.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
unvote

for now
Mashley
2,042 posts
Joined September 2008
Mashley
NoHItter: If you think I'm the scummiest player, why aren't you voting for me?
But as of that roleclaim unvote as I am no longer comfortable lynching NoHItter and there is more time left than I previously expected. Expect a re-vote from me closer to deadline.
adam2046
1,653 posts
Joined April 2008
adam2046
Unvote
Thoughts in a bit.
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
I have received a PM saying that NoHItter's "anti-town forces" quote broke the game since that's the exact wording of the town PM. I forgot to mention this at the beginning however: the non-town players were given the town PM wordings at the beginning of the game, in order to avoid situations like Pasonia's "politics" game.
adam2046
1,653 posts
Joined April 2008
adam2046
Scratch that. I'm pulling up derp.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
...Did the host just say that a player was not town?

...Or did I read that wrong?
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
He didn't confirm anything* I realized after reading the post 3x.

it just meant nohitter could of been subtly trying to influence with that post
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Mashley
2,042 posts
Joined September 2008
Mashley
Don't get it :<
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

Mashley wrote:

Don't get it :<
Mafia got the pms of the town? I guess, or something like that so they could play along if someone tried to play the lolrolepm game.

also vote: nohitter for being tricky
adam2046
1,653 posts
Joined April 2008
adam2046

Lilac wrote:

...Did the host just say that a player was not town?

...Or did I read that wrong?
He said everyone knows the terms included in the PMs regardless of their alignment. He has not confirmed anyone's roles.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
From what I've read, it seems like 0_o said that all non-town players were given town like PMs, hence the "winning when anti-town roles" to NoHItter...which apparently is gamebreaking...

...Yeah, I don't get it. The only way it's gamebreaking is if NoHItter is not with town.

Not to mention 0_o saying that is already gamebreaking.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
Oh okay, never mind then.
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
DxS (3) - Two, Lilac, akrolsmir
*NoHItter (3) - Chris, Wojjan, Mashley
Mashley (2) - NoHItter, LunaticMara
akrolsmir (1) - pieguy1372
Wojjan (1) - foulcoon

in 7 hours, NoHItter's going to get lynched. Are we really giving up with our possible cop?
Mashley
2,042 posts
Joined September 2008
Mashley
That votecount isn't up to date.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

Chris wrote:

Mafia got the pms of the town? I guess, or something like that so they could play along if someone tried to play the lolrolepm game.

also vote: nohitter for being tricky
Wait. How is that tricky?
I paraphrased what was written in my role PM.
My claim still stands.

@Mashley
I did vote for you. >.>
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11

Mashley wrote:

That votecount isn't up to date.
I updated it
Mashley
2,042 posts
Joined September 2008
Mashley

NoHItter wrote:

@Mashley
I did vote for you. >.>
This is what I get for skim-reading
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Maybe you shouldn't, since that's why NoHItter is voting for you :<
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

bmin11 wrote:

Maybe you shouldn't, since that's why NoHItter is voting for you :<
Uhh no. Don't put words in my mouth.
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
2,024 posts
Joined January 2009
Lybydose
hi I'm psuedo modding this game too

Vote Count

DxS (3) - Two, Lilac, akrolsmir
NoHItter (3) - Wojjan, Haneii, Chris
Mashley (2) - NoHItter, LunaticMara
akrolsmir (1) - pieguy1372
Wojjan (1) - foulcoon

Deadline in about 5 hours
Mara
4,907 posts
Joined November 2009
Mara
Vote: DxS

I am not going to take that risk that our cop will get lynched.
DeathxShinigami
1,176 posts
Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
Well...if I'm getting lynched I might as well use my power now so I can take someone down in flames with me...

Forgive me.
Sleep Powder
1,540 posts
Joined October 2008
Sleep Powder
Oh wow, I had no idea that Day 1 would be so constructive two mafia games in a row... I'll have to read all of these new posts later.
DeathxShinigami
1,176 posts
Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
Too late I'm dying!

Vote: Mashley
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count
DxS (4) Two, Lilac, akrolsmir, LunaticMara
NoHItter (3) Wojjan, Haneii, Chris
Mashley (2) NoHItter, DxS
akrolsmir (1) pieguy1372
Wojjan (1) foulcoon

20 minutes remain
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
1,384 posts
Joined July 2008
foulcoon
Wow no time left. I don't think its a good idea to let nohitter get lynched if he actually is the "cop".

Vote: DxS

Your last minute "plea" just seems desperate.

I honestly would rather one of these lurkers voted so they had a reason to talk, but its too late for now.
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
That's it folks, writing up lynch scene now.
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
Final Vote Count
DxS (5) Two, Lilac, akrolsmir, LunaticMara, foulcoon
NoHItter (3) Wojjan, Haneii, Chris
Mashley (2) NoHItter, DxS
akrolsmir (1) pieguy1372

(Player names are in blue, to avoid confusion with role names)

The osu! community was abuzz. "Who would want to take over the community?"; "What's their agenda?"; and most importantly, "Who are they?" Discussion flew, and it seemed like NoHItter wasn't sitting too well in the public opinion. He had no choice:
"Trust me guys, I'm mm201, your friendly neighbourhood iNiS-loving dev!"
Not willing to risk knocking off such a powerful dev, a few players backed off. It looked like DxS was the next to go. NoHItter breathed a sigh of relief while clicking View New Posts, "That was a close one, I don't know how we would have been able to find these rogue admins without my he-"
He then realized that he was logged out.
"That's weird..." he typed in his username and password.
You have specified an incorrect username.
"...what??" He tried again.
You have specified an incorrect username.
"But... but.. DxS had 5 votes! How could this happen!?" Desperate, he tried the last thing he knew:
SPOILER


...but none came.

NoHItter (mm201) - Flavour Cop - Lynched Day 1

It is now Night 1. Night will end in 48 hours, please send all night actions before then.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter
Ha! I can still go online in IRC! Now listen here.
First off all, the ritualistic "Go Town!" post.
Then I have to tell you guys something.
I know who the scum is. It is--

NoHItter (mm201) has disconnected (Banned IP Address)

Edit: This post is really a "bah go town!" post. Nothing more xD
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
Could those with a night action who do not wish to act please send me a message saying "No action"? Just so I know it's due to that as opposed to still deciding/not knowing that it's night.
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
3:17 AM

The alarm clock flashed the time in big red numbers, as if Echo didn't already know how late it was. Echo sat shrouded in darkness at his desk, the glaring computer monitor and the glowing clock his sole sources of light. He took the demise of his fellow dev mm201 hard - if only the community were more informed, perhaps the tragedy could have been avoided. He stared at the osu! source code for hours, scrolling through every detail hoping to find something that could shed some light on this otherwise dark situation.

Suddenly, he sat up.

"What the..." he looked at the information before him. He could barely believe his eyes. "I've gotta tell someone!" He rushed to the osu! Announcement forum to make a thread. The community must know!

I can't let you do that, Echo.

The voice came from his speakers. Suddenly, his cursor started moving on its own, as if controlled by someone else. "Who are you?? What are you doing!?" Echo yelled into his microphone. There was no reply - the cursor silently moved to the x at the top of the browser. Echo took hold of his mouse and fought for control of the cursor, while frantically typing up his message with his other hand. He almost finished the message when he heard the voice:

Time's up.

A message appeared on the screen: Hard Drive Reformat in 3...

..2..

Frantically, Echo typed the last three words and pressed Enter.

...1

...

adam2046 (Echo) - Setup Sleuth - Nightkilled Night 1

Echo's message: There is an independent killer who wins when a certain group of people are eliminated.

It is now Day 2, with 16 alive, it's 9 votes to lynch. You have exactly 5 days from this post.
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Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
Vote: DxS

Mostly likely, you're only one shot unlynchable. If that's the case, you're either cult or a really screwed up, overpowered Mafia.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
Roleclaim: Two

Two - The ability to send the host one statement every night, and get told if it is true or false.

My first statement was "Wojjan, LadySuburu, rust45, and Two are all pro-town".

Result: True.

Wojjan, Two, LadySuburu, and rust45 are all confirmed town.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old

Lilac wrote:

Vote: DxS

Mostly likely, you're only one shot unlynchable. If that's the case, you're either cult or a really screwed up, overpowered Mafia.
it made no sense for him to kill the cop instead of die, so I'm all for lynching him too (still)
vote: DeathxShinigami
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old

Chris wrote:

Roleclaim: Two

Two - The ability to send the host one statement every night, and get told if it is true or false.
oh wow, that is the most appropriately broken role I've ever seen

I told you all to pick me
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
It's so broken, I'm willing to wager that it's false.

I am arguing about the integrity of that statement, no host in their rightful mind should give a confirmation that big... Then again, NoHItter and adam being lynched already is pretty bad...
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
chris knows I have a big ego but neither he nor anyone else in this game is smart or ballsy enough to be that elaborate

speaking of smart, I lied about that whole 3 post restriction thing in order to live to day 2, so thanks a bunch, mafia

possible mafia remaining now are:

bmin11
Rantai
LunaticMara
pieguy1372
foulcoon
DeathxShinigami
akrolsmir
Haneii
Lilac
Mashley
animask

confirmed town:

Two
Wojjan
LadySuburu
rust45
Chris

oh, I think we've won
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
Knowing Two's history of being wrong a lot, I am not going to trust Chris on his word on that statement.
Lilac, why so eager to retry if we've failed already? ouldn't it make more sense for someone to try and vigkill DxS?
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old

Wojjan wrote:

Knowing Two's history of being wrong a lot,
now are you talking about my 100% mafia win rate or last game where I knew you were mafia day 1?
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
I'm more worried about you saying that your not town by trying to disprove Chris's statement.

I'm eager to try again because I'm going for someone who's mostly like anti-town rather than say...voting for the cop. Am I right, Wojjan?
Mara
4,907 posts
Joined November 2009
Mara
Wait.... Two just posted 4 times already. Did he just lie about his role?
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
He lied about the 3 post restriction part...

...Mara, I'm on to you.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
Oh yes, if there IS a Vig out there, please shoot DxS. However, I'm willing to wager that it might not work on a slight suspicious feeling.
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
1,384 posts
Joined July 2008
foulcoon
Why wouldn't a vig be able to kill DxS? He already avoided lynch somehow, are you saying he could avoid bullets too? That would be OP :S
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
I'm thinking that he might be able to block one of each kills available.

Lynch, Vig and Nightkill.

But yeah, that does seem far-fetched.
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