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PyP Mafia - osu! Community [Killer Win!]

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Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
Can we stop talking about pointless conversation killers like NoHItter's questions and whether or not this game is active (ironic)?

I am actually going to roleclaim now, not that my role was much of a secret. Roleclaim: Quaraezha

I'm roleclaiming because I want day 1 to actually be productive and because I also almost have to roleclaim. I have two post restrictions:

1. I have to write in this font

2. I can only post 3 times per day

I was hoping the thread would be active enough for me to be able to not post and then get called out for it, but I guess you all just suck at being town. Hint: getting people to talk wins games.

My role is horrible but, if I had to guess it's purpose, I assume it's so that there can be a confirmed town day 1 (from font). I don't think it actually does what it was made to do, but I can't imagine why else it would be so retarded.

I obviously can't post again until I want to cast my final vote, so stop sucking please.
adam2046
1,653 posts
Joined April 2008
adam2046
And thus, question time comes to its stunning conclusion.
Vote: NoHItter
Bandwagon time.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
screw it, tired of your lurking (I see you lurking too bmin)

vote: DeathxShinigami
DeathxShinigami
1,176 posts
Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
Though, I'm just going to honestly say this now...I have nothing to do with bmin for once.

Wish you fun~
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one around here >_>
I never get how D1 starts out honestly. It just seems... like waiting for someone to do something stupidly suspicious. Maybe animask was being helpful in that matter I guess.


I have questions too.

1. How many BAT do you think are around here?

2. Opinions on No Lynch for D1?
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

bmin11 wrote:

1. How many BAT do you think are around here?
2. Opinions on No Lynch for D1?
1. I don't see how this is important unless you're following the flavor/ part of your role.
2. No lynch is a no-no. We need lynch information D1 in a regular set-up. The only set-up I think a No-Lynch is better than a lynch is in Dethy.

OK. Now switching back to my question.
FoS: Chris

Chris wrote:

1) What role and faction do you prefer to play as, and why?

I think I prefer being Mafia, mainly just because being the bad guy us always more fun.
For answering Mafia in my Question 1.
The problem with saying you want to play Mafia in a PyP game is that you actually may pick someone which would probably turn up as Mafia.(Perhaps strager or Dimka)

In a regular PyP game where the mod assigns stuff randomly, it would be less suspicious (mod can assign a town role to a suspicious character), but this PyP has a theme - which is the osu! community. Chances are, the bad guy roles would be those hated/have done something bad. Those who are aiming for Mafia would generally pick those.
rust45
1,085 posts
Joined May 2009
rust45

NoHItter wrote:

FoS: Chris
Any reason in specific? It helps when you explain your reasoning. Otherwise one might think you're just finding someone to lynch.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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Joined June 2009
NoHitter
A PyP game like this allows you to influence the role you will get.
Chris wanted a Mafia role, chances are he sent a member that has a high chance to be a mafia role.
Hence the FoS.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

FoS: Chris

Chris wrote:

1) What role and faction do you prefer to play as, and why?

I think I prefer being Mafia, mainly just because being the bad guy us always more fun.
For answering Mafia in my Question 1.
The problem with saying you want to play Mafia in a PyP game is that you actually may pick someone which would probably turn up as Mafia.(Perhaps strager or Dimka)

In a regular PyP game where the mod assigns stuff randomly, it would be less suspicious (mod can assign a town role to a suspicious character), but this PyP has a theme - which is the osu! community. Chances are, the bad guy roles would be those hated/have done something bad. Those who are aiming for Mafia would generally pick those.
That is actually pretty clever how you pieced that together, I must admit.

.. however, I can assure you that I am far too inactive to know who classifies under bad or good. ;)

Let's be real here though, I got my role before I answered those questions. I doubt anyone would incriminate themselves on purpose.
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii

NoHItter wrote:

OK. Now switching back to my question.
FoS: Chris

Chris wrote:

1) What role and faction do you prefer to play as, and why?

I think I prefer being Mafia, mainly just because being the bad guy us always more fun.
For answering Mafia in my Question 1.
The problem with saying you want to play Mafia in a PyP game is that you actually may pick someone which would probably turn up as Mafia.(Perhaps strager or Dimka)

In a regular PyP game where the mod assigns stuff randomly, it would be less suspicious (mod can assign a town role to a suspicious character), but this PyP has a theme - which is the osu! community. Chances are, the bad guy roles would be those hated/have done something bad. Those who are aiming for Mafia would generally pick those.
But...

0_o wrote:

A corrupt group of BATs are attempting to take over the osu! community. Find them before it's too late.
Even if he did it wouldn't help him because in this game (apparently) the mafia is made up of BATs. He'd have to know that it advance and choose BATs if he wanted to be mafia...umm, right?. I'm sure chris isn't the only one to mention he'd like to be mafia so why did you choose him?

A bit of effort trying to justify your fos vs it being random....

what are you planning up to? o.o

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When TWO says he can only post 3 times a day, does he mean mafia day or once every 24 hours?
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir

Haneii wrote:

When TWO says he can only post 3 times a day, does he mean mafia day or once every 24 hours?
Based on this:

Two wrote:


I obviously can't post again until I want to cast my final vote, so stop sucking please.
It seems like it's once per mafia day. At which point I question spending his last post and only vote on a lurker...
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bmin11 wrote:

I have questions too.

1. How many BAT do you think are around here?

2. Opinions on No Lynch for D1?
Speculating about the setup and implying a no lynch seems like you're trying to sidetrack the town from actually doing anything day 1. Vote: bmin11
rust45
1,085 posts
Joined May 2009
rust45

akrolsmir wrote:

Speculating about the setup and implying a no lynch seems like you're trying to sidetrack the town from actually doing anything day
While I also think a no lynch is bad, speculating about the setup can help town get a better idea of the setup and since mafia would already know the setup it wouldn't make sense for them to wonder about it.
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count
NoHItter (2) - Mashley, adam2046
DxS (2) - Chris, Two
bmin11 (2) - NoHItter, akrolsmir
Two (1) - Wojjan

~3 days remaining
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
I guess I should go back lurking since asking a question is clearly a scum-tell in this game >_>
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
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Joined July 2008
foulcoon
Vote: Wojjan

for voting for 99.9% confirmed town
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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Joined June 2009
NoHitter
@Haneii
Chris was the only one who blatantly stated he wanted to play as Mafia.
The rest merely stated having Killing Powers, being more informed. These don't necessarily mean being Mafia.

Though I have to admit that my reasoning may be skewed by the flavor at the start, but if one lets say, still picks a known troublemaker, would he still get an anti-town role? I believe so.

This may be set-up spec, but it still makes sense.

Chris wrote:

Let's be real here though, I got my role before I answered those questions. I doubt anyone would incriminate themselves on purpose.
That is WIFOM.
Also, the problem with that logic is if you did realize what I was planning before I said it.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter

foulcoon wrote:

Vote: Wojjan

for voting for 99.9% confirmed town
Is this serious >.>
I'm feeling it's RVS.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
That vote was on there much before Two even claimed.

a bit too late to start with that. vote harder.

vote: akrolsmr or whatever. Votes bmin for bullshit reasoning.
Mara
4,907 posts
Joined November 2009
Mara
Where's Lilac and Rantai, by the way? It seems they didn't even confirm at all.
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Lilac just came back (sleeping probably) and Rantai should be back any time soon as well.
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
SPOILER

Rantai wrote:

In but only if it's ok that I'll be away for 2 days (possibly without an internet connection) on the 26th and 27th of August.
:D

Anyway posting to say I am now back and ready to do stuff.

I'll read over the thread after a good night's sleep.
Mara
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Joined November 2009
Mara
Ah, sorry - silly me.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

That is WIFOM.
Also, the problem with that logic is if you did realize what I was planning before I said it.
Your entire plan was to see who said they enjoyed playing as the bad guy? Sounds like crap.

It makes no difference what you claim you were planning to do regardless.

There is no logical reason under any circumstance for someone to openly admit that they enjoy being the bad guy, assuming they just got their role-PM and it turned out they were indeed Mafia.

Just out of curiosity, who would these "bad guys" be that you would of sent in, assuming you wanted to be mafia?

Way to ignore the rest of my post, though.
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu
You could choose someone that has the potential of being mafia in the setup and still obtain a town role. Also, not everyone will pick based on trying to get certain roles, instead picking the people they like in the community and just going with the role they get.

In a normal PyP your strategy can somewhat work if two conditions are true:

1. You haven't done this strategy before. (If you have, people may not tell the truth.)

2. Assuming you haven't done this before, everyone would have to be telling the truth in the questions you asked.


In this PyP, there are even more things that make the strategy less likely to succeed.
Mashley
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Joined September 2008
Mashley

Chris wrote:

There is no logical reason under any circumstance for someone to openly admit that they enjoy being the bad guy, assuming they just got their role-PM and it turned out they were indeed Mafia.
There is no reason to call suspicion onto this in the first place. Yes the question is useless, but it's not going to make any difference what you prefer to play as because no one chose their alignment. There was never any indication before the game began of what choices would get a mafia role, and what's more we had to give three choices, so it's almost completely up to chance unless someone picks 3 BATs - in which case it still doesn't make a difference as no one knew that all the mafia would be BATs.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
On the top of my head, people who I think may turn up as scum.
1) strager (Sorry if you are watching this :()
2) Robloxman41
3) WeegeeVsWeegee Esupanitix

Yes. You did not choose your alignment, but if you really wanted a certain role, you can influence what role you may get.
That's why I find it suspicious. I didn't say we have to lynch them did we?
Haneii
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Joined November 2009
Haneii

0_o wrote:

A corrupt group of BATs are attempting to take over the osu! community. Find them before it's too late.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
What do you suppose the names I gave you will be then?

Also,
Mod: How do you select preference over the 1st choice, etc?
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
In regards to your questions: http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=975713#p975713 No change.

I must say there is a lot of straw grabbing going on. Personally I don't think Chris did anything scummy enough to warrant an FoS so I'm not sure what you're aiming at.

Also

NoHItter wrote:

What do you suppose the names I gave you will be then?
How is that relevant to BATs?

But yeah an unfounded suspicion in my opinion. "He wants to be" doesn't always mean "He will be" especially with the whole BAT mix up.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
Hi hi guys.

At first, I also thought that certain people who choose BATs would be mafia but I don't think reading into that statement "a corrupt group of BATs" is very useful unless a person claims a person that they chose or whatnot.

What I'm saying is, it just might not be BATs who are Mafia. If you really want to look at it that way and all BATs are Mafia, more than likely Chris will be town but I'm fairly certain he got something that isn't part of the mafia.

For me, the player pool is too big and more than likely I wouldn't want a lynch unless someone does something either really stupid or really scummy.

Alternatively, I can use meta. However, this type of mafia has made is semi-redundant.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
Forget it.

I was trying to say that even if the flavor indicates that the BATs are the scum, certain people like what I mentioned earlier could still be anti-town roles as I don't believe that they'll be classified as town roles either.

So if you picked strager, I believe your role would still be anti-town.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
actually Vote: NoHitter

This entire charade has gone on long enough really. Your questions were terrible conversation-starters, and nothing more than that, and voting based on that single question is either bad play or bad scumplay. As everyone has been stating there are far too much holes in your explanation (How did Chris know which people to send in to get scum? Why do you assume Chris actually receiving a role he likes to play? Why do you assume Non-BATs to still be scum when the opening post was adamant in identifying the BATs as mafia? There's probably more other people have stated) and even so there's the strange singling out on Chris you're doing. DxS answered "Independant" which at worst is killer/cult and at best a survivor and even they can joint with mafia. Mashley responded with "Anything that can kill." You're focusing so much on Chris that you're starting to look like a lyncher or something.
0_o
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Topic Starter
0_o

NoHItter wrote:

Mod: How do you select preference over the 1st choice, etc?
Priority-wise, we treated all three choices as equal. The roles picked were decided mostly by the best role we could come up with out of your selections (while still keeping balance).
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter

Wojjan wrote:

How did Chris know which people to send in to get scum?
On the top of my head - known troublemakers. The entire corrupt BATs flavor may have not fit his initial intention, but (look two quotes below)

Wojjan wrote:

Why do you assume Chris actually receiving a role he likes to play?
I didn't. I said he MAY have a chance to receive a role which he actually likes - which is scum.
I never said he did get it. At most, I said he could have influenced the roles he wanted.

Wojjan wrote:

Why do you assume Non-BATs to still be scum when the opening post was adamant in identifying the BATs as mafia?
Tell me then, what do you perceive those I've mentioned as? Townies?

Wojjan wrote:

and even so there's the strange singling out on Chris you're doing. DxS answered "Independant" which at worst is killer/cult and at best a survivor and even they can joint with mafia.
The problem with DxS is, unlike with picking scum, picking an independent role is harder to influence.

Wojjan wrote:

Mashley responded with "Anything that can kill." You're focusing so much on Chris that you're starting to look like a lyncher or something
"Anything that can kill" can also be a Vig. Not to mention getting specific action roles may be difficult.

Incidentally, Unvote
We're out of RVS now.
bmin11
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bmin11

Wojjan wrote:

you're starting to look like a lyncher or something
inb4 Ephemeral
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
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foulcoon
I feel like Ephemeral could get a role like Valhalla-er. Like a Doctor/Guardian Angel, he preserves epic threads with a lock and Valhalla lol.
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn

bmin11 wrote:

I guess I should go back lurking since asking a question is clearly a scum-tell in this game >_>
So, you're focused on avoiding scum-tells? That seems suspicious to me. :?

However, I'll vote akrolsmir. I can't explain it, just a gut feeling >.<
0_o
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Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count
NoHItter (3) - Mashley, adam2046, Wojjan
DxS (2) - Chris, Two
bmin11 (1) - akrolsmir
akrolsmir (1) - pieguy1372
Wojjan (1) - foulcoon

Due to my schedule I am extending the deadline to 48 hours from this post.
Last edited by 0_o , edited 2 times in total.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan

NoHItter wrote:

Tell me then, what do you perceive those I've mentioned as? Townies?
Yes. IF those roles were actually picked, I can see strager being a miller, Roblox can be a noob and as such vanilla town, I don't know Esupantrix. If we're not only going to guess who Chris picked, but also guess what his persumed pick got him as role, then it might be more efficient to just outright asking for a claim. Which I'm sure you'll agree is a bad idea.
Wojjan
806 posts
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Wojjan
You're also completely avoiding the fact that it's equally hard to gun for mafia if you don't know the flavor and have to send in three roles.

NoHItter wrote:

I didn't. I said he MAY have a chance to receive a role which he actually likes - which is scum.
I never said he did get it. At most, I said he could have influenced the roles he wanted.
Then why did you FOS him over it? If you're suspicious of him (which the S in FOS means) you must be either considering or assuming he's mafia or otherwise anti-town.
rust45
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rust45
NoHitter unvoted just so you know.
0_o
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Topic Starter
0_o

rust45 wrote:

NoHitter unvoted just so you know.
Thanks, fixed.
adam2046
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adam2046

pieguy1372 wrote:

However, I'll vote akrolsmir. I can't explain it, just a gut feeling >.<
Why are you voting someone (who has said barely anything interesting) on gut feeling when you just said you find someone suspicious?
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn

adam2046 wrote:

pieguy1372 wrote:

However, I'll vote akrolsmir. I can't explain it, just a gut feeling >.<
Why are you voting someone (who has said barely anything interesting) on gut feeling when you just said you find someone suspicious?
Because that's what I always do on the first day unless it's painfully obvious. While I find what bmin11 did suspicious, I have a gut feeling he's not mafia.
bmin11
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bmin11
I just found it funny how the two people who asked questions (NoHItter and me) got voted on. I didn't take it seriously at all.


I won't be able to post for a day or two. Got a flight to Canada.
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
It's not just about asking questions, it's also about the content of the questions- the ones you chose seem to be delaying tactics rather than something designed to get content. Filler, so to speak.

Also, claiming that you didn't care about those questions doesn't really alleviate my suspicions.
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
NoHItter asking questions doesn't make him mafia or town. He did it last game and he was town, so given that that's his strategy as town the optimal mafia strategy would be to mimic it, since it doesn't really directly harm any mafia members...

In other words, NoHItter asking questions dosen't give us any more information.
LadySuburu
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Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter asking questions doesn't make him mafia or town. He did it last game and he was town, so given that that's his strategy as town the optimal mafia strategy would be to mimic it, since it doesn't really directly harm any mafia members...

In other words, NoHItter asking questions dosen't give us any more information.
The difference is in how NoHItter uses those questions he had us answer. That does indeed give us information, though what that information means varies from person to person.
NoHitter
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NoHitter

Wojjan wrote:

You're also completely avoiding the fact that it's equally hard to gun for mafia if you don't know the flavor and have to send in three roles.
True that the entire BAT thing was unexpected, but my argument was based on picking the known troublemakers who I didn't think someone would think be town. Fine, I concede the point.
unFoS: Chris but that's based on set-up speculation only.

Wojjan wrote:

Then why did you FOS him over it? If you're suspicious of him (which the S in FOS means) you must be either considering or assuming he's mafia or otherwise anti-town.
Perhaps I used FoS in the wrong sense in regards to what you perceive of it. I use FoS when I think someone does something suspicious. It does not mean that I think that person is necessarily scum or anti-town. I think a better term would be IGMEOY. So yes I did find Chris suspicious at that time - based on my reasoning.

Will make a post of my thoughts regarding everyone soon.
bmin11
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bmin11
Posting from the airport

Speculating about the setup
As rust45 said, this can't be a bad info for us. Is there any kind of anti-town roles who would be interested on how many mafias would there be?

and implying a no lynch seems like you're trying to sidetrack the town from actually doing anything day 1.
There was nothing going on at the moment. I wanted to start a discussion with this question. I also don't agree with No Lynch, but by discussing this matter, I was hoping someone could come up with possible tactics and such.

I can't fully explain at the moment due to the lack of time I have, but I can't see how these could possibly disbenefit townies.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Joined December 2008
Lilac
Okay, we'll do it bmin's way.

Vote: DxS. Talk.
Rantai
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Rantai

bmin11 wrote:

As rust45 said, this can't be a bad info for us. Is there any kind of anti-town roles who would be interested on how many mafias would there be?
I'm thinking a Serial Killer might benefit from such information.

akrolsmir wrote:

It's not just about asking questions, it's also about the content of the questions- the ones you chose seem to be delaying tactics rather than something designed to get content. Filler, so to speak.

Also, claiming that you didn't care about those questions doesn't really alleviate my suspicions.
Or he could have been asking a question in order to fill in some gaps of his own. Take the first one, he easily could have just been asking how many mafia does a typical game of this size have.
DeathxShinigami
1,176 posts
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DeathxShinigami

Lilac wrote:

Vote: DxS. Talk.
This again really?

I'm just going to say I'm pro town for now but if I really had useful thoughts or ideas I'd say them sheesh.
Mashley
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Joined September 2008
Mashley
Unvote, vote NoHItter. His questions were just pointless, it seems almost as if he intended from the start to call someone out on their answers for no good reason. And then as soon as soon as others start questioning him he completely changes his mind about everything. Maybe he just hadn't though his argument through well enough, but the day is nearly over and he's the most suspicious person atm.
0_o
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Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count
DxS (3) - Chris, Two, Lilac
NoHItter (3) - adam2046, Wojjan, Mashley
bmin11 (1) - akrolsmir
akrolsmir (1) - pieguy1372
Wojjan (1) - foulcoon

24 hours left
Wojjan
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Wojjan
yeah bmin's town as shit I don't even know why akro is still fighting that point.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Okay fine, I'm convinced. Unvote, FoS DxS try again, harder. Are you really that bad/disinterested in helping town?
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
Does anyone knows what happened to animask by any chance?
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
bmin's got a point. There's someone else again whose even more inactive than me...
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
Doesn't necessarily makes you an active player though >_<... You guys both need to post your thoughts for the least.
adam2046
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adam2046

DeathxShinigami wrote:

bmin's got a point. There's someone else again whose even more inactive than me...
Oh, then that's ok then.
rust45
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rust45
I have a feeling animask has an excuse for being inactive, such as his role.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
> do a suspicious thing

> no wait maybe it's their role
Mashley
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Joined September 2008
Mashley
Now that you point it out, animask's silence is very fishy. He's active in the other game, so it's not as if he's vanished altogether. Maybe prod him?
0_o
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Topic Starter
0_o
animask has been prodded.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
It's less than 24 hours until deadline.
I think those who still are in RVS should unvote and vote who they think is most suspicious at this point.

Thoughts on Each Player:

LadySuburu
- Answers RQS
- Says that it's hard to influence what role you may get in this set-up.
- Somewhat agrees though that it may be possible depending whether I did it before and if people are telling the truth.
- States that the RQS may indeed have given information.
Nothing much pinging me. Neutral.

Wojjan
- Votes Two (RVS I assume) and accuses him of being Quaraezha
- Shows eagerness to end RQS
- Some filler posts
- Votes akrol for voting bmin based on bad reasoning which is set-up spec and implying a no lynch
- Votes me on the holes of my reasoning (which I defended)
- Implies that the reasoning of some people relating suspicion with role related restrictions to be bad reasoning. (which I agree)
Actual scumhunting. Town.

Mashley
- Answers RQS then votes me for making him answer questions. (RVS though?)
- Disagrees on my argument relating influencing roles. Gives reasons.
- Unvotes and votes me on (see below). (Technically, you were still voting for me)
- Says that my RQS was useless (I disagree - it was a starter; to get the game rolling). Also says I was planning to call someone out for no good reason based on my answers. (I already elaborated and gave reasons on why I found Chris suspicious based on his answers). Also says that I double backed on my statement. (I admit it's true, but I still maintain that at that time I thought it was a great argument.)
- Pre-empts himself and his vote by saying that maybe what I did wasn't well thought, but I was still most suspicious and since time is running out.
Some faulty arguments coming out of him, and I find pre-empting himself just in case I do flip town kind of suspicious. Leaning Scum.

animask
- Answers RQS.
- Disappears afterwards.
Nothing at all to talk about. Null

adam2046
- Answers RQS. I find the answer to 2) kind of suspicious.
- Bandwagon votes me. (late RVS vote?)
- Attacks pieguy for voting based on gut when he found someone else suspicious. (The argument makes sense)
Some scumhunting, but lurky. Leaning Town

Two
- Answers RQS.
- Roleclaims Quaraezha. To provide confirmed town and to explain his post restriction (3 posts per mafia day and font) before he gets called out for it.
- Votes DxS for lurking
Flavor-wise it seems Two is town. Disregarding flavor, I don't see any benefit for scum to claim this early in the game either. Town

Lilac
- Arrives late, but still answers RQS.
- Claims that the flavor at the start should be taken with a grain of salt until proven.
- Agrees that non-BATs may still be Mafia.
- Votes DxS because of lurking. Contradicts answer to RQS saying that he'll only vote very suspicious people because of the large player pool.
Gut says town, but the entire voting of DxS makes me wary. Neutral.

rust45
- Answers RQS.
- Questions me on my FoS on Chris
- Agrees that no lynch is bad, but set-up spec may be good.
- Says that animask's inactivty may be the result of his role. (I don't think this is a solid stance to take. Even Two's post restriction enabled him to post)
Nothing pinging except for the stance on animask which is minor. Neutral

pieguy1372
- Answers RQS.
- Votes akrol, but states that bmin is suspicious.
- When pressed, states that he has gut feeling that bmin is town. Also says that "that's what he always does on Day 1".
- Says that asking questions does not indicate towniness.
- Also states that the info from RQS is useless. (I disagree)
A bit wary on the policy lynch regarding Day 1. Leaning Scum

foulcoon
- Says that the answers to RQS can be found in another Mafia thread.
- Votes Wojjan for voting Two (at that moment, Two did seem confirmed town with his claim)
Needs to post more - nothing is pinging me though. Neutral

DeathxShinigami
- Answers RQS
- Very bluntly distances himself from bmin
- Lurks then responds to the pressure votes by saying he's pro-town while doing nothing to show that >.>
- Agrees with bmin that there's someone else more lurky than him.
Midly suspicious. Leaning Scum

akrolsmir
- Answers RQS
- Votes bmin saying that bmin's questions don't seem to have any town interests in mind.
- Attacks bmin further when bmin says that he didn't acre about those questions.
- Unvotes bmin after bmin elaborates. Pressure votes DxS.
Some scumhunting. Leaning Town.

Haneii
- Answers RQS
- Counters my argument about Chris based on the flavor. Asks "what am I up to".
- Points out the flavor again.
Nothing pinging either. Neutral.

Chris
- Answers RQS
- Already explained my reasoning on his possible suspicion.
- Uses WIFOM as counterarguments though.
Still kind of suspicious because of usage of WIFOM. Leaning Scummy.

bmin11
- Answers RQS
- Asks his own questions. (After thinking about it, both seem justified IMO)
- When pressed, backs out of the question - stating that asking questions is now suspicious. (Suspicious behavior - backing out like that)
- Finally argues back solidly. Also points out animask's disappearance.
The backing out is scummy, but I find asking those questions were townie. Neutral.

Rantai
- Answers RQS by linking to a previous thread.
- Defends Chris regarding my argument.
- Attacks bmin regarding the questions. Serial killers may benefit from the question. (So can town)
Needs to post more, but so far my looks like Town.

LunaticMara
- Answers RQS
- Asks where Rantai and Lilac are.
- hasn't posted at all about the game itself >.>
Needs to post more about the game. Null.

List from Scum to Town:
Mashley
DeathxShinigami
Chris
pieguy1372
animask
LunaticMara
Haneii
Lilac
foulcoon
LadySuburu
rust45
bmin11
Rantai
adam2046
akrolsmir
Two
Wojjan

If possible, I want everyone to make a list of what they think everyone is.
From what I noticed, a lot of people are ignoring some others. It's better if we all comment on everyone.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
Based on the list:
Vote: Mashley
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn

NoHItter wrote:

pieguy1372
- Answers RQS.
- Votes akrol, but states that bmin is suspicious.
- When pressed, states that he has gut feeling that bmin is town. Also says that "that's what he always does on Day 1".
- Says that asking questions does not indicate towniness.
- Also states that the info from RQS is useless. (I disagree)
A bit wary on the policy lynch regarding Day 1. Leaning Scum
-I didn't at all say it was useless. I said that it doesn't give us any information as to whether you were town or mafia, because that's how I presume you always play (you've done this the past few games I was in). >.<

-I most certainly vote on my gut day 1, because on day 1 it is more likely than later that the most suspicious people aren't actually mafia. It's just basic statistics, if you have a small sample size, the larger the sample variance and the more likely it is a "false positive" occurs with a lower critical value. As we get more information, we can better make decisions on who actually is more suspicious, and what was just a statistical error. I vote by my gut because of this, as it's hard to reasonably tell who's actually mafia based on concrete evidence by the first day alone.
Mara
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Joined November 2009
Mara
Alright, I'll tell about my feelings and stuff once I get back from work + sleep. (It's like 6AM and I am going at office soon)
Chris_old
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Chris_old
Wojjan - Actual scumhunting. Town.
Two - Flavor-wise it seems Two is town. Town
I find it suspicious that you consider both Two and Wojjan as definite town, when everyone else is "leaning" in a direction. You also gave multiple reasons for Two being town, but ranked him below Wojjan? Why?

Chris - Already explained my reasoning on his possible suspicion.
"Don't want to remind everyone how terrible my attempt at getting Chris lynched was."

- Uses WIFOM as counterarguments though.
I didn't realize we had results from a confirmed aux role. Oh wait, we don't.

Everything you've written is "WIFOM", including the reasons you have for thinking someone is Town/Mafia. Your arguing is some of the weakest I've ever seen. You actually placed me at number three on your list, with the only reason being that I said I wanted to be mafia (which like I said above, was conveniently left out).

You already backed out of your "saying you enjoy Mafia makes you Mafia" argument after everyone disagreed with you, yet you continue to cling to the fact you believe I am scum. I guess it doesn't really matter though, just makes our job easier.

unvote

Vote: NoHitter
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii
@ NoHItter

I don't agree with most of your conclusions :/. I find your reasoning for voting Mashley ridiculous (sorry if I'm being harsh but that's my honest opinion). It's Town vs Mafia - not NoHItter vs Mafia. Just because Mashely disagrees with your theories/suggestions, thinks your RQS is useless, and votes you doesn't mean he's mafia. Of course Mashley could be mafia, but not for those reasons.
Focusing on people who appear to be threat to you (as opposed to town as a whole) seems like a mafia thing to do...

I felt uneasy when you targeted Chris and I feel worse about your Mashely vote.

I also don't understand how most of the people you listed as Town (even some of the neutrals) earned those titles.

vote: NoHItter

There's a good chance that you're probably just not thinking things through but atm I don't find anyone else suspicious enough for me to vote, sorry.

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Probably a stupid question: What is "flavor" ?
bmin11
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bmin11
What I'm worried is multiple people over defending Chris. You guys defence to the point where it's almost unnecessary. No new points were given through the discussing of "How people's preferrence effects the role given", but pointing out the same "It's hard to influence your given role because of the different set up". Do we need like half of the players to point this out? Or are you just trying to get an easy town points?

This also makes me uneasy to vote for NoHItter. I haven't seen a real attempt on doing anything to defend NoHItter (the only one I can think of is akrolsmir and Haneii showing suspicion toward me). It was an easy situation for the mafia to take their hands off from this arguements. However, NoHItter continues to bring his points about Chris. It's deadly obvious it's dangerous to persue the point no one agreed on. Is it actually worth it for the mafia? Not sure, but I think it's stupid to risk it's teammate like that for a lynch while they still have a long way to go.

Now about Two, tbh it's hard for me to believe Two would choose Q as a role he wants to play. He is very motivated on playing mafia games (atleast I haven't seen him being a quiet townie before) but choosing Q, who's known for lurking, contradicts his interest. The way he wasted his posts also isn't very "Two like". Answerring RVQ which is never useful with the post itself, role claiming (this may be useful, but could have just waited for us to figure it out. Being revealed as a lurking role doesn't make you scum), and a vote against DxS because of lurking. Really? It almost seems as if he just gave up on this game, but this doesn't really convince me because of his PM. He PM'd me to join this game. Doesn't seem like he would be disinterested if he even goes around asking people to join this game. It's really hard for me to believe his role claim and his behavior :<...
bmin11
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bmin11
And yes, the vote against Mashley was stupid. False thinking isn't necessarily a scum tell. He also didn't had to reason you because others already have anyway >_>... Emptying does seems suspicious, but also reasonable for townies since there's no info for us on D1 and staying open minded is also a requirement for townies.
Haneii
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Haneii

bmin11 wrote:

I haven't seen a real attempt on doing anything to defend NoHItter (the only one I can think of is akrolsmir and Haneii showing suspicion toward me).
o.o

Don't want to go offtopic but can you quickly clarify that? When have a I shown suspicion towards you, bmin11
bmin11
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bmin11
Oh right. I meant Rantai. Sorry Haneii
Rantai
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Rantai
Hmm outside of Two (who I'm going to believe is not anti-town) I don't have very strong opinions on anyone yet.

I'm only mildly suspicious of pieguy and that's only because I disagree with voting on a gut feeling alone.

@bmin, how does casting suspicion at you defend NoHItter?
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
@bmin, how does casting suspicion at you defend NoHItter?
Same theory akrolsmir brought it up against me, attempt on side tracking. I don't really take it in to the case though (that's why I just bracketed it)
akrolsmir
606 posts
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akrolsmir
I didn't actually do this yet but Vote: DxS, you're still not helping yourself. About everyone else: NoHitter seems wrong on a few points (which have been pointed out) but not necessarily scummy. I still don't get the Mashley vote. Nobody else really stands out atm, though I think bmin made a good point about Two.

We've got a lot of people not voting:

Lady Suburu, animask, rust45, DxS, bmin11, rantai, LunaticMara

Some of you guys have just been lurking the whole time but some (bmin, rantai) have been deliberating. Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
Mara
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Joined November 2009
Mara
Ah, fuck it, pardon my quality of text - I'm tired - and at work.

Chris wrote:

You also gave multiple reasons for Two being town, but ranked him below Wojjan? Why?
Anyways, I've been lurking around this thread a lot and now I'm ready to tell my opinions... Though I have never been good at this shit.

Yes, NoHItter's RQS took too much time, but I don't really give a fuck. At least most people (all?) answered it. I just don't understand how those questions are helping us. (More exprienced player, please explain)

I'll trust Two, Wojjan and bmin11 for now. Wojjan and bmin11 seems to be really active on this. Two's roleclaim looks legit. I may be wrong though, but it's not photoshopped or anything.

DxS looks a little bit suspicious to me due his "I-I'm a t-townie, you f-fools!", but meh. He's neutral to me, for now.

Chris looks also pretty weirdo guy, but I guess it's because he's a new guy on forums anyways. Speaking of favorite roles, (Chris likes mafia, wasn't it?) I don't think there was any chance to know what roles to use to get a mafia. Like, only "corrupted BATs" were mentioned AFTERWARDS. It could have been names NoHItter mentioned (but who wants to be WvsW? Really?)

Rantai seems to be inactive too, but he is in Forum Games at the moment, so I guess he's doing something. I really hope you will show yourself and show me your love. This damn guy posted already when I was writing this. Anyway, same thing with animask, though. Haven't seen that guy loooooong time. And foulcoon too. Though I am the one who is inactive here...

pieguy1372's "gut feeling" sounds so weird that I want to cry. Gut feelings everywhere. You don't seem to be a scum, but damn - it's not about gut feelings in here!

I don't know about akrolsmir. I don't know this guy at all (or Chris) but this guy seems to be active too. I think he is a townie. I also have problems thinking about LadySuburu and Lilac. LadySuburu is explaining things right there (and kind of did answer my question above, still needs more detailed answer though), but Lilac sounds like a harsh police officer. ("TALK!") I dunno, pretty neutral about him ATM. Everyone else on the list is still total mystery to me, so I'm not going to even try to say something about them. I'll make sure I've got something to say about them next time.

And I'll answer bmin11's questions now because it seems I missed them.

1. Since this game is biggie,I don't think there aren't just 2 mafias, maybe 3 or 4?
2. For damn sake, do NOT vote No Lynch on D1. It goes nowhere.

And I'm going to

Vote: Mashley

gut feeling

I don't know why is he voting because he has to answer questions. That doesn't make sense, so I'll make some sense. I'm voting because he is voting. Makes total sense, eh?

ok back to work, my name is gabe newell and episode 3 has been delayed
LadySuburu
80 posts
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LadySuburu

akrolsmir wrote:

I didn't actually do this yet but Vote: DxS, you're still not helping yourself. About everyone else: NoHitter seems wrong on a few points (which have been pointed out) but not necessarily scummy. I still don't get the Mashley vote. Nobody else really stands out atm, though I think bmin made a good point about Two.

We've got a lot of people not voting:

Lady Suburu, animask, rust45, DxS, bmin11, rantai, LunaticMara

Some of you guys have just been lurking the whole time but some (bmin, rantai) have been deliberating. Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
I'll state this again since I seem to have to a lot.

I don't vote unless I'm convinced enough that someone's scum. I'm not voting, therefore...

I'll say what I think about the two players who seem most likely to be lynched.

DeathxShinigami - Wasn't really posting much content after being called out for lurking, but if I'm remembering correctly offhand he's done things like this before while town and isn't good at defending himself. Still, it's kind-of suspicious anytime someone does it. (Though, not enough to offset my giving him the benefit of the doubt at the moment.)

NoHItter - The long list of thoughts throws me off, since he's never done that before to my knowledge. Also the way he used his questions also bugs me. However, all of this is heavilly gut, which is why I'm not voting him.

If I absolutely HAD to vote right now, I would vote for NoHItter.
Rantai
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Rantai

LunaticMara wrote:

Rantai seems to be inactive too, but he is in Forum Games at the moment, so I guess he's doing something. I really hope you will show yourself and show me your love. This damn guy posted already when I was writing this.
<3

akrolsmir wrote:

Some of you guys have just been lurking the whole time but some (bmin, rantai) have been deliberating. Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
You sound like you really want something hammered and quite frankly that concerns me (rushing votes for the sake of voting will most likely end with a mislynch).

As I've mentioned I'm not convinced enough to vote anyone with confidence. If I were to choose a vote now it'd have the same weight as a random vote.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Hammer or not someone's dying in about 15 hours. What I'm interested in is the voting record people leave behind.
rust45
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Joined May 2009
rust45
I really suck at voting on D1, it's always hard to find someone who actually seems suspicious unless somebody does something really stupid.
Haneii
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Joined November 2009
Haneii
@ people voting DxS

Why? Because he isn't talking? It's day one and nearly everyone isn't/doesn't seem to be suspicious enough to be mafia. Many of you are
undecided on who could be mafia - yet some of you attack DxS for not actively voting/targeting someone and I don't get it. I feel a bit sorry for him - people voting him left and right. He probably isn't sure enough about anyone (like most of us are). What do you expect him to say/do to defend himself? Are you guys aware he isn't the only one lurking?

FoS on everyone voting or who had voted for DxS - mafia ganging up on an easy target?

If not, I wish our towns people were more productive >_<
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Joined December 2008
Lilac
I only voted for DxS because I was following bmin's logic.

But DxS didn't say anything like he always does. In fact, he only replied to me which means he REALLY likes me which REALLY freaks me out.

Lurking is no good, it doesn't help town~ Come on guys, sing with me.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
Claim: mm201
Since I'm high up in the osu! hierarchy, I can access the player database and look up the identity of a player each night.
I'll get their username and a short description.
I win when all anti-town forces are eliminated.
Chris_old
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Joined February 2008
Chris_old
unvote

for now
Mashley
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Mashley
NoHItter: If you think I'm the scummiest player, why aren't you voting for me?
But as of that roleclaim unvote as I am no longer comfortable lynching NoHItter and there is more time left than I previously expected. Expect a re-vote from me closer to deadline.
adam2046
1,653 posts
Joined April 2008
adam2046
Unvote
Thoughts in a bit.
0_o
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Joined December 2008
Topic Starter
0_o
I have received a PM saying that NoHItter's "anti-town forces" quote broke the game since that's the exact wording of the town PM. I forgot to mention this at the beginning however: the non-town players were given the town PM wordings at the beginning of the game, in order to avoid situations like Pasonia's "politics" game.
adam2046
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adam2046
Scratch that. I'm pulling up derp.
Lilac
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Lilac
...Did the host just say that a player was not town?

...Or did I read that wrong?
Chris_old
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Chris_old
He didn't confirm anything* I realized after reading the post 3x.

it just meant nohitter could of been subtly trying to influence with that post
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Mashley
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Mashley
Don't get it :<
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Mashley wrote:

Don't get it :<
Mafia got the pms of the town? I guess, or something like that so they could play along if someone tried to play the lolrolepm game.

also vote: nohitter for being tricky
adam2046
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adam2046

Lilac wrote:

...Did the host just say that a player was not town?

...Or did I read that wrong?
He said everyone knows the terms included in the PMs regardless of their alignment. He has not confirmed anyone's roles.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
From what I've read, it seems like 0_o said that all non-town players were given town like PMs, hence the "winning when anti-town roles" to NoHItter...which apparently is gamebreaking...

...Yeah, I don't get it. The only way it's gamebreaking is if NoHItter is not with town.

Not to mention 0_o saying that is already gamebreaking.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Oh okay, never mind then.
bmin11
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bmin11
DxS (3) - Two, Lilac, akrolsmir
*NoHItter (3) - Chris, Wojjan, Mashley
Mashley (2) - NoHItter, LunaticMara
akrolsmir (1) - pieguy1372
Wojjan (1) - foulcoon

in 7 hours, NoHItter's going to get lynched. Are we really giving up with our possible cop?
Mashley
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That votecount isn't up to date.
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