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00:00:851 (851|2,1012|1) - just a nitpick, it could be ctrl+h to fit PR

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well ok

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It looks like these still aren't ctrl+hed since the timestamps still highlight the notes, but definitely tell me if I'm wrong here.

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I think they are ctrl+hed. If so please resolve this Envory.

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00:05:690 - 00:05:690 (5690|0,5770|1,5851|2,6012|0,6174|1) - these are not melody-wisely correct and seems odd for me, try this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/18765499/dab3 ?

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how odd? your suggestion are still stair based 00:05:690 (5690|1,5770|2,5851|3) - like mine

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Lude expressed the pitch of synth melody for the notes after stairs I guess.

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both 00:05:851 (5851|0,5851|1,6335|1,6335|0) - are intense crash so i make them similiar

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00:12:303 (12303|2) - i think this could be moved to 1st col to differentiate this from the 00:36:980 - these.

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ok

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00:18:593 - same as my previous suggestion, these are not melodically correct imo, and i'm pretty sure you can variate them to match different bass sounds rather than simply going for trill (https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/18765504/7e18)

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nah they are repetitive melody

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I don't usually intervene in mappers' opinions, but in this case I think Lude's suggestion is more compelling.

If your intention was to express a repetitive melody, you should have done the same as before, deleted the note 00:18:593 (18593|2) - this note and expressed everything else as regular notes, not LNs.

Therefore, I think Lude's mod is a better choice if you want to keep LN.

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change to normal note

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I'd strongly recommend making 00:19:399 - more like 02:05:851 - for consistency reasons, I think the current pattern doesn't match up with the intensity of the song when you compare to how you've mapped the more intense 1/4 sections in the song. The way you map it out at 02:05:851 - works a lot better for spread reasons too. The earlier pattern is too easy when compared to komugii's diff ( 00:21:657 - use as a reference):

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Though, this post should be kept in mind if you accept: #3903013

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done

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hmm to make layering more consistent with the first kiai, I'd recommend removing doubles on kicks like 00:19:722 (19722|3,19722|0) - and 00:20:044 (20044|3,20044|2) - , and keeping them on crashes like 00:19:399 (19399|1,19399|0) - and 00:20:044 (20044|3,20044|2) - . Right now the layering is about as dense as komugii's diff

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00:21:335 - As said in the first post, I think this part should be buffed so it's a little closer to komugii's diff in terms of spread. Maybe it could be patterned like


so its similar to the part before it, but more difficult due to the double on 00:21:819 (21819|2,21819|3) -

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00:22:303 - 00:22:625 (22625|1,22948|2) - short LN's purpose here is not clear though, but for consistency you could add a short LN at 00:22:303 - at col 1

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short ln representing the burst

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It would be nice if 00:31:819 (31819|2,31980|3) - was ctrl+hed, it'll help show that it's going in a different direction pitch-wise than 00:32:464 (32464|2,32625|3) -

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Somewhat related point, but if you agree 00:33:593 (33593|2,33915|2) - should be in different columns since they represent completely different pitches. Maybe 00:33:915 (33915|2) - could go to 2?

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00:33:915 (33915|2) - still its on same sounds volume and not a big prob the others are applied

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00:35:206 - missing note?
or 00:35:044 (35044|0) - move to 00:35:206 -

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oh nice i will only add it coz lower diff has a note too

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It looks like there still isn't a note at 00:35:206 -

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Reopened by -MysticEyes

There definitely is a note so I'll resolve this on behalf of Envory.

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00:37:948 (37948|1,38028|0,38109|1) - how about making this pattern not one hand trilly?

you are using one hand trill here -> 00:38:270 (38270|2,38351|3,38432|2,38512|0,38593|1)
for different sound

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changed

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I think komugii's making a really good point here and I want to add a little more to it in the next section, 00:38:754 - to 00:54:238 - .

I think triplets are used inconsistently here. Specifically, you have some synth triples as trills: 00:41:012 (41012|1,41093|2,41174|1) - and some as just regular triples. I think these synth triplets should all either be trills (I don't recommend that) or making all of triplets (including stuff like 00:41:496 (41496|0,41577|2,41657|0) - ) not trills.

While they're all three notes in a row, trills play very differently than regular triplets and they shouldn't be treated the same way imo.

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For this section, the only three set of notes that make sense as a trill imo is 00:45:528 (45528|3,45609|0,45690|2) - since there are three kicks here. It could be mapped out like this:

This also gets rid of the one hand trill at the end, which will make it a little more comfortable for players. (now

My suggestions here are all subjective, but I think it'll improve this section a lot of you do this

Using 00:40:690 - as an example on how you can remap this:

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y

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Now that I'm seeing it 00:41:899 - and 00:39:964 - need a note as well for the synth

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00:38:432 (38432|2,38512|0,38593|1,38674|0) - you can make some arrangement to make it feel separate from 00:38:270 (38270|2,38351|3) - these.

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change to stair

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00:44:883 (44883|3) - might need to be a double due to the synth

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00:48:915 (48915|3) - should be a double for the same reason

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k

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00:54:238 - how about using LN or 1/4 for the 1/8 chiptune sound here? i know this is an hard diff so you simplified it, but i think the chiptune sound could be expressed somehow

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hmm ok i use 1/2 ln

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i mean 1/4

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hmm,, i think just single 1/4 LN or no LN is good enough tho

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ok single ln

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I want to reopen this just in case since Lein mentioned a 1/4 LN, not a 1/2 LN. I don't really mind either way but I want to check to make sure this is intentional.

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i make it 1/2 ln

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01:00:367 (60367|1,60367|0) - considering the layering after here, this could be a single note i guess

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right

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01:03:432 (63432|2,63512|3,63593|1,63593|2) - i think alternate pattern is more effective.
like this

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hmm not really like the jump between red line and blue line so keeping the current

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what do you mean by 'jump' and 'red line' and 'blue line' ?

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jump between col 4 to 2 that i using almost from col 1 to 2 and col 3 to 4 so i mean its just easier with stair

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so you meant jump by alternating hand, and red line for 02:16:980 - , blue line for 02:17:061 -
i got it

iirc, 'jump' is usually used for alias of double notes. so i got little confused in this case

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Maybe 01:03:432 (63432|1) - could move to 1 or 2? That way there isn't a one handed trill at 01:03:432 - , which would be a little more comfortable imo, but it doesn't make 01:03:593 (63593|1,63593|2) - and 01:03:915 (63915|3,63915|2) - the same kind of double like the first suggestion does. Hopefully this is a good compromise!

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idk what not comfortable about 01:03:432 (63432|2,63512|3,63593|1,63593|2) - after a pattern like 01:02:948 (62948|0,62948|3,63190|3,63190|0) - i intended put this because of 01:03:432 (63432|2,63593|2) - because they are similiar strong sounds and 01:03:915 (63915|3,63915|2,63996|1,64077|2) - i make them like that because of the burst representing like 01:03:915 (63915|2,63996|1,64077|2) -

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Because 01:03:432 (63432|2,63512|3,63593|1,63593|2) - this have to play the trill with one hand. Both my and Mystic's suggestions are avoiding the one-handed trill in common.

When creating patterns, it's worth looking at patterns for the left and right hands separately, because the actual difficulty of the pattern is heavily influenced by how much each hand is loaded. And I think three 1/4 notes in a row in one hand is a pretty heavy load for this part.

From that perspective, the current pattern is actually a bit uncomfortable, which is why I suggested alternating pattern(which means, a pattern can play with alternating hands), and Mystic suggested splitting the synths and chords between left and right hands.

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k moved 01:03:432 (63432|2) - to col 1

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01:15:367 (75367|3,75448|2) - switch them to represent PR?

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its all good

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01:16:254 (76254|1,76335|0) - at least one of these notes should move to 4 imo, currently this pattern is very left hand heavy due to the three notes on 01:15:770 (75770|0,75932|0,76093|0) - and the one handed trill on 01:16:254 (76254|1,76335|0,76415|1) -

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ok moved

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01:17:464 - I'd recommend repatterning this part like:


or

Both have a couple of benefits:

  • It would have the same amount of notes on 4 as 01:15:690 - does on 3
  • It looks pretty nice visually since it's the opposite of 01:15:690 - (especially if you pick the second option)

Whether this is accepted or not, 01:17:464 (77464|3) - really shouldn't be in the same column as those 4 trilled notes, it works in komugii's diff since komugii uses the concept consistently but 01:15:528 - not having 5 notes in the same column makes this feel inconsistent in this diff.

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Somewhat related, but if you agree with this 01:32:948 (92948|0) - should move to 3

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Aaaand if you accept 02:54:238 (174238|2) - should move to 4. Though honestly you should consider doing something like

to avoid the one handed trill, it feels out of place here.

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Ugh I don't know why I decided to make 02:54:238 (174238|3,174238|0) - a double, sorry about that. 02:54:238 (174238|3) - should be deleted since it's just a kick

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01:22:303 ~ 01:31:980 - i can see you placed every snares to 1st or 4th col and i think that's good idea to emphasize the snares. so, you can do same things on 01:27:786 (87786|2) - 01:28:754 (88754|1) - .

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and plus, if you want them more effective, you better not place a note in same hand right before the snare.

ex:
01:25:851 (85851|3) - this is more effective
01:24:883 (84883|0) - this is less effective

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ok

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01:24:883 - if this measure is used as a break between streams, 01:24:964 (84964|1) - should be deleted. If not, there should be a note for the synth at 01:25:125 -

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01:25:448 (85448|1,85528|0,85609|1) - imo this trill doesn't fit as well as 01:24:561 (84561|1,84641|0,84722|1) - since 01:24:561 (84561|1,84641|0,84722|1) - covers a set of unusually low pitches. As a result, 01:25:448 (85448|1,85528|0,85609|1) - seems odd since it's the exact same type of trill.

Maybe 01:23:270 (83270|1,83351|2,83432|1) - could help in remapping this part! Keeping it in mind (since 01:25:206 - is the same in the music as it), you could map this part out like:

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01:28:190 (88190|2,88270|3,88351|2,88432|3,88512|2) - this OH trill seems bit too long imo considering the other patterns in this section how about nerfing it a bit?

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will do

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on a similar note, 01:29:157 (89157|1,89238|2,89319|1,89399|2,89480|1,89561|2) - should be nerfed as well. It is the longest trill besides these 01:17:625 (77625|3,77706|0,77786|3,77867|0,77948|3,78028|0,78109|3) - (which cover a major trilled synth melody) and 01:44:480 (104480|2,104561|1,104641|2,104722|1,104803|2,104883|1) - , which is a note leading into trilled kicks

However, 01:29:157 (89157|1,89238|2,89319|1,89399|2,89480|1,89561|2) - only covers a synth melody that's somewhat similar to 01:28:109 - . I really don't think it should be in a trill this long.

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I think 01:28:432 (88432|3) - and 01:30:690 (90690|3) - should move to 1. 01:28:109 (88109|3,88190|2,88351|2,88432|3,88512|2) - is very right hand heavy and the pattern should be balanced out a bit.

The three notes in 3 might not make sense without the note on 4, so you could maybe remap this like:


(for 01:28:109 - ) and

(for 01:30:044 - )

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moved to another col but no stair remap

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Got it! I'd appreciate it if 01:28:351 (88351|2) - was on 4 though, the 3 note anchor on 3 at 01:28:190 (88190|2,88351|2,88512|2) - doesn't really make much sense from a musical perspective

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If you agree 01:30:609 (90609|2) - could move to 4 too

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The gaps at 01:34:964 - and 01:35:286 - make sense since the chiptune synth doesn't play here, but 01:35:609 - , 01:36:174 - , 01:36:254 - and 01:36:577 - really need notes since the synth does play at these points and since you didn't ignore these synths beforehand. From a playing perspective it feels weird that these notes aren't added in, and the pauses after 01:35:528 (95528|3) - and especially after 01:36:093 (96093|2) - don't feel natural

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If you agree, there should be notes at 01:36:174 - , 01:36:254 - , and 01:36:577 - for the same reasons

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01:37:786 - i think you can follow the percussions instead of chiptune melodies

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i think it will less impacted because i might only playing 1-2-1 at 1/2 snap and the gap from insane are pretty far so i trying to introduce the insane concept with stair

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01:38:835 - not sure but missing note? 01:40:770 u placed note here for the chiptune sound so yeah

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oh yeah i speedrun this gd on 20 minutes so many mistakes happen

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01:45:851 (105851|0,105932|3,106012|0,106093|3) - suggest to ctrl+h and 01:46:174 (106174|0) - move this to 3rd col. this can more effectively separate by snare sounds!

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oh nice idea

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yeah all mirrored for that section

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01:58:593 (118593|2,118674|1) - how about to place 4 and 1 instead of 3 and 2? you might wanna differentiate these from 01:58:754 (118754|2,118862|1,118969|2,119077|1) -

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oh nice

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02:01:012 - since here is triplets, you can do switching patterning by 3 notes. see some other diffs as a reference

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ok

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The use of double is odd in the revision you sent. I think you've misunderstood something, and 'switching patterning by 3 notes' means to keep the same rule, but change the patterning, such as 131 424 131 424 or 123 124 134, 123 432 123, etc(or at least like 123 123 123). I don't understand the meaning of the double you've put in, so I'd suggest removing the double or moving it to an appropriate place and reapplying my mod.

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hmm sent a screenshot as example

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for example:

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as suggested

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02:01:980 - 00:15:528 - they should be same i guess

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I'm not sure what the trill at 02:06:577 (126577|1,126657|0,126738|1) - is representing but moving 02:06:577 (126577|1) - to 4 will make this pattern a little more comfortable.

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02:06:819 (126819|3) - might need to be a double since its a crash on a 1/1 interval like 02:05:851 (125851|3,125851|0) - and 02:07:786 (127786|2,127786|3) -

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sure

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I'd recommend avoiding stuff like 02:09:077 (129077|0,129157|1,129319|1) - , it takes a lot of finger independence to comfortably hit that for players at this level. Starting at 02:08:109 - , you could remap this like:

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sure

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02:17:464 ~ 02:21:335 - I can see some missing notes here. it might be intended but i suggest to fill them

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there is 2 notes, are you wrong timestamping?

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i mean from 02:17:464 to 02:21:335

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done

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02:23:270 (143270|1,143432|1) - This trill would be a little more comfortable if these 2 notes were in 1

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If you agree, 02:40:690 (160690|2,160851|2) - should move to 4 for the same reason, same with 02:40:690 (160690|2,160851|2) -

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02:50:367 - i think this pattern better expresses the ascending feel and trills of the song, while creating a good separation from the chorus.

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oh i get it thanks

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The revision you sent me is different from my screenshot, is this intentional?

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yes

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02:51:335 - splitting the trills between both hands will make things considerably more comfortable for players. I really really recommend doing this since this part is very awkward to play right now. One way to fix it:

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03:00:286 - I think there's a note missing for the synth here

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Same for 03:02:222 - , they're pretty loud

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03:01:012 and 03:02:948 - I have some pattern suggestions for these two part.

these two suggestions having certain rules and feels more smoother than present imo.

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1st one is ok but the 2nd is keep coz the jump between 1 note to other are too far i prefer the current

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about the second one, i think you should fill the missing notes at least since you accepted #3900016 this. (considering consistency)

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sure

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03:03:190 (183190|2) - should move to 3. I don't see a musical reason to keep a 3 note anchor and 1 handed trill at 03:03:028 (183028|2,183190|2,183270|3,183351|2) - considering that it's not a very comfortable pattern to play.

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i remap it

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