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00:19:141之前的双押感觉都用单键应该会合适一点,在这之后对应之前的双押的地方没有双押.

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04:13:168 - 04:24:140 如果要改的话这里也一样

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在这之后是听不出来到底有没有重音,double只会感觉更怪

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I think bursts that are on 1/12 are a bit overkill given the bpm, however adjust accordingly to bpm on the bursts D:
187 bpm on 1/12 is really fast for example

00:28:713-00:29:029
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17571986/56c6 -> this would be a pretty good compromise, will give 1 more example to
approach sections like these, this prioritizes comfort

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17572006/fbad -> this one is more manip-heavy 1/8 example but on 1/9 or 1/12 approach may be too fast.

Also if suggestion taken please apply to all of the bursts, as they share the same issue i have with them

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ok 1/9 seems better. I'll also apply on other similar places

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00:45:351 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/15239318/59dc 这样感觉如何(我第一印象还是这个1/8串比较抓耳一点所以表现出来也许更好

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应该是1/3的音,后面有个1/8的note unsnapped,fixed

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1).00:45:510这里没有重音,建议把一个note改到00:45:470.

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Not for the accent, it's for another sound

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小mod并一起?

00:47:976 可以摆双。
00:58:555 这就别双押了吧?毕竟有LN了就少抓点重音,和 00:58:713 叠一块也蛮莫名的。

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都可,00:58:555 弄了个trill

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00:48:924-00:58:081 - Consider nerfing this section as i find this section really hard compared to the rest of the map :(.
I get the idea but its not properly executed imo.

It is 190 bpm so I expect a pretty clean handstream instead but -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17572043/28a1 is really hard to hit
Good way to nerf this- Is to remove all Jacks as i believe, its the main reason for the sudden spike in difficulty. Trilly
Handstream into Jack is really tricky.

Another way is to keep the jack but instead make it into a jumpstream; something like this >https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17572080/7786

also keep in mind layering crunchy kicks that 00:49:555 , triples/hand
bass kicks at 00:49:871 - doubles/jumps

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Already nerfed

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did a revisit, pretty substantial nerfs, nice

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有些structure上的design,我说实在是难以认可。

第一处,00:49:239 处的 小叠pattern。
先不提190BPM带多押的小叠有多难。
虽然这么对比不好,这里音乐强度实际上和 01:50:672 差不多吧。。。差不多吧(难度可差太多了,但这不是重点,毕竟这里音乐支持叠)

叠可以,但这里把重音前的1/4和重音叠一起我觉得是不可的。
首先是有点song for pattern,怎么说呢
基本没啥歌会这么叠(至少我一下子想不到啥ranked有这么干),基本都是叠重音后的一个音
因为叠在重音后是强调重音,叠在重音前则是强调了重音前的那个音,但叠前面的那个音没有任何特殊性,也没有特别的旋律支持连点,所以说why。

https://imgur.com/a/gTFnvl3
给你看一下我的打歌记录,
我崩了的part有 (注意一下我的崩不是个人差的关系。有些地方难可以,但有些地方不怎么合理)
00:49:239 (此处)
01:09:766 (这里你的pattern我暂时个人觉得也是不可的,如果你不没想法的话,回头我会和你讨论这段)
第一段副歌(没啥大病,可以keep)

今天先po到这,你先看一下这里有没有什么改的想法。要我说你叠重音后的1/4或者叠两个重音间的1/4单点都是可以的。(看到别人的摸,你这里是砍过的,但咱觉得还是不够。)
剩下的这里达成共识后,下次再说

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https://imgur.com/a/gTFnvl3 -> {"data":{"error":"Imgur is temporarily over capacity. Please try again later."},"success":false,"status":403}

第一段的叠会考虑重新排列以下

第二段的面...说实话不想remap了,我remap了好几遍,感觉这个算最佳解了,而且其他的都太简单了(我可不想pp)

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改好resolve

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00:50:562 (50562|1,50641|0,50719|1,50798|0,50877|1) - 这里不用21212用12121感觉和后一处对应一点也分摊一下手指负载

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修改了一下排列

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Rearranged this part and deleted some notes for the unprominent sounds

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00:56:168 (56168|1) - 和上面一样的问题

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same resolving

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01:01:536 - 漏了一个音

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Nice

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01:07:555 - maybe two note? as you can hear the sound of cymbals

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yeah

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#3013893 虽然你说了,但还是再提一下。
01:09:450 体感过难,个人甚至觉得比最后一段副歌都难,主要是因每个重音时LN的切换 01:09:450 (69450|1,69608|2,69608|3,69766|2,69766|3) -

要略砍的话有个很方便的建议,就是把部分1/1LN砍成3/4 (当然可能需要重新排列),这样重音时就好控制很多。
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17747978/2f2c 当下不强制,但其它modder再提出来砍这里的话,肯定要求你砍。

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可以这样

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01:12:292 (72292|3) - 这里没有那个跟其他类似地方 01:10:081 (70081|1) - 一样的高音旋律音,这里的声音是跟 01:09:766 (69766|0) - 这种地方一样的,所以你也应该让这里变成1LN。

01:14:502 (74502|3) - 01:15:766 (75766|0) - 01:17:029 (77029|3) - 01:20:818 (80818|2) - 01:22:081 (82081|3) - 以及其他类似地方同理

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01:12:292 01:09:766 etc 确实删了但不是因为这个原因,有旋律音的就有那些长音,发现那些是ghost倒是删了 01:14:502 (74502|3) - 01:15:766 (75766|0) - 01:17:029 (77029|3) - 01:20:818 (80818|2) - 01:22:081 (82081|3) - 等等,这些ln都跟着旋律的

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01:18:766 Subjective, 但1/4反做transition感觉有点太厚重了。可以考虑1/2反 (同时也保证了这里的面长度和 01:29:029 相同,没了特别stand out的别扭感觉。

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原本是类似于那样的,因为之前普遍都是这种ln所以用的反键以此区分,既然remap了就不一样了,改了

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01:18:984 (78984|1,78984|0,79142|2,79142|3,79299|1,79299|0,79457|3,79457|2,79615|0,79615|1) - 这里ln的音一直在变用一个键型我感觉不合适,建议用21键型让note更富有变化一些

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Accept and I change these to Inverse

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怪了,fixed 然后发现有少许部分ln根据我抓的音拉长了

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01:28:397 - 这个音在听感上并没有跟之前的鼓点一样那么强,感觉triple属实有点下的太重了,减轻一下,double吧。

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01:33:292 - 这几个LN为什么结束在这?在听感上没有全部都结束在这的理由。
01:33:502 - 这三个LN在这里结束会更合适(后面那根LN位置也是偏的,要靠后一点,跟这块的其他偏了的在一起po),因为代表了左侧三个LN的pad音确实是在这里结束的。

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其实后面有点算丶normalize,全压在1/4上,但是确实有点1/8的偏差,整体修改了一下

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01:33:529 (93529|1) - move to 01:33:568 -
01:32:660 (92660|3) - 这根的最后怎么没跟后面的那根开始对齐?
01:33:766 (93766|2) - move to 01:33:726 -
01:34:172 (94172|2) - move to 01:34:108 -
01:34:359 (94359|1) - move to 01:34:328 -
01:34:640 (94640|2) - move to 01:34:593 -

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01:35:390 (95390|1,95390|2) - 这两根可以不可以不和 01:34:359 (94359|1,94640|2) - 摆同轨。
一听就不一样。
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17745226/ce58
(๑‾᷅^‾᷅๑) 嫌弃你

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给点时间edit一下我好resolve

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01:35:578 (95578|1,95578|2) - could release these at 01:37:978 - imo it fits the peak of the sound more

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OK. also resnapped these sounds

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01:38:878 - you could map this section with 1/2 LNs to match the pulsing sound
i think it would be fun to play

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OK

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02:20:784 (140784|1,140784|0) - 这里连续22的地方太卡手了,也没有什么理由去做这么卡手的键型,建议去掉一个note

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It's for the drums. And now I'm considering if I can change it to Light Handstream

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02:25:828 - 这个note跟前面处理方法不一样,有旋律音但没有放double叠起来,而且我觉得看后面那个密度也不至于像 02:26:578 - 这里一样给整体腾空间所以single的部分似的,所以这里还是double好一点。

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过度段稍微放松一下吧,又刻意做成这个形状跟着调

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02:37:471 (157471|2) - 这里应该对前面的节奏改成双押

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OK

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02:38:672 - 这块地方的note放置和红线插的是不是有点问题,02:38:672 - note 在这里结束以及下一个红线在这里开始完全没有问题,为什么这两样东西又刻意往后挪了那么个8ms?如果是谱面历史遗留问题建议改回去一下。

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官方的timeline,这个我还真说不准

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很神秘,但个人感觉放着目前状态不会有问题。

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keep for official

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02:40:786 (160786|1,161058|0,161263|0) - 一开始也是同样的疑问但是仔细听了下确实不是人声,但是感觉这几个note还是太突兀了我觉得要不干脆删掉比较好?

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已删除

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02:40:787 (160787|1,161059|0,161264|0) - I have no clue what this is supposed to represent
02:41:059 (161059|0) - would need to be on 02:40:923 - to match the vocals, but the pattern stops so idk

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not for vocals, it's just for the sounds

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02:41:059 (161059|0,161264|0) - 对音好像有点失误,应该往前四分之一

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OK

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02:44:946 (164946|2) - double imo, but it may be too hard to play

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All the sounds like this have been changed to double

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02:45:209 - 02:48:346 这个地方的叠,感觉纯粹对音不设计任何pattern的话有点表现力太弱了。

当然,只是给个suggestion,你accept不accept随意, accept但自己设计其它的pattern也可以。

比如。 02:45:20902:45:482 或者 02:45:34602:45:619 种挑一个音可以摆同轨。
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17747954/d996
然后虽然很凶残,但 02:45:89102:45:959 这样的音也是很适合摆叠的
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17747953/8680

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改成了->大部分notes跟那种奇怪的旋律集中放在一只手上

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02:54:258 (174258|0) - ln起早了,我觉得应该是02:54:266,maybe改不改这个地方不影响谱面

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Changed it to 02:54:313

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02:56:212-03:08:939

  • some sounds are inconsistently represented for example at 02:57:844 has no note but shares similar sound to 02:59:149 but is expressed. This trend continues on for much of the section, To resolve, Add note on 02:57:844 or remove note at 02:59:149 for the example :)

-I get the concept but lacks layering imo Since the for this section BPM is 137.9 , i think jack section is pretty cool here

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17556770/4728
^ My layering suggestion
3 Note for that Strong Kick : already ok :>
2 Note for strum sounding synth
1 Note for every other synths that are audible :>

如果你不懂英语,请找我
^ google translate, cant speak chinese but in case you cant understand what im saying ^^

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About what you said about removal and adding. 02:57:844 I didn't add a note here but in the next part -> 03:03:717. 02:59:149 I didn't remove it as well but added a note here to highlight the melody. Overall, I buffed here that I placed notes for almost every audible sound (except those 1/9, I simplified as 1/4)

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ok that resolves pretty much everything ^^, also did second check, the ignored sounds are the same, good take on that one

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02:56:432 (176432|1,176541|2,176758|3) - 这里很明显有鼓点,用双押要更好

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Yeah

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03:04:693 (184693|1) - i don't think there's a synth sound here
i hear something in the background, but it's the same sound as 03:05:562 - which isn't mapped

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repatterned here

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on 03:17:438- 03:24:206

Why not make into 3 note jack this section? It has, well maintained sounds there, good way to emphasize those imo; this compliments the ln at 03:20:537-03:20:959 as a way to abruptly disrupt the jacks.

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nice

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虽然不是啥必要的问题但是我感觉 03:20:959 (200959|3) - 放在第四轨好丑又难打,第二轨多好看!

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HAO

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03:54:005 (234005|2) - ?????怎么抽起来了,按照你整首的LN表现方法不是应该对到1/8上吗??

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mapper手比较胖,点不准。理解一下

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?

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03:55:312 (235312|0) - 由于这里与 03:55:484 - 有同样的growl音,所以LN形状应该也得同步一下

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hao

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04:11:627 (251627|1) - 有重音,建议双押

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Nice catch

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04:23:941 - 04:34:912 这里不应该是休息段么?太密了
(虽然并不难,比起其它粉条子的地方,但是)

还是太密了。 比很多更激烈的地方都密,比如 01:50:672 这种

开头的四压可以砍到三押(相对subjective
这个part剩下的三押都砍成双押。

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rearranged this part. Please recheck /o\

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04:24:312 -----04:35:112 很明显这里是歌的休息段,用三押明显没有道理,而且这里的鼓点也远没有前面二押的鼓点强,所以这里难度应该适当削减

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Rearranged this part. But I think the break time is from 04:13:169 - 04:24:141

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但是这里太难了,鼓点抓的和前面也不一致

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04:28:998 (268998|3,269341|1) - 这两处地方严格来讲没有音啊,听到的音都是 04:28:912 (268912|1,268912|0,269255|2,269255|3) - 这些音的延伸,去掉感觉更好。还是说你是在用dump填上去

04:34:398 - same

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感觉不是延伸吧,就算是延伸那里确实有某种音,用jumpstream很合适的

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04:29:198 (269198|3,269284|1,269284|2,269369|0) - you could rearrange this to accent the hi-hat
ie. move double to 04:29:198 -

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I did't catch them by recognizing the sounds how hard they are. I just used single notes for every kind of sounds

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04:35:112 - this synth pattern has many notes that aren't mapped
for example 04:35:284 - is a low pitch and 04:35:798 - is silence
imo it feels kind of confusing to play

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I'll add them if someone reply this issue. IMO, it's better to place notes for prominent sounds

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05:16:787 (316787|1,316787|3,316937|1,316937|2,317087|0,317237|3,317387|3) - a pattern suggestion, since the sound is heard first in the left ear 05:17:087 (317087|0) - and then two in the right 05:17:237 (317237|3,317387|3) - can make this pattern to better express the melody https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17732900/a66e

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nice

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05:19:559 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/15239358/0a41 这个排列感觉怎么样,听了下这段也确实是有连续的1/4的

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后面几处也可以类似

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这是反键,LN的结尾算作一个note

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05:39:360 (339360|1,339360|0,339510|3,339510|2,339660|0,339660|1,339810|3,339810|2) - 这里单音就可以了,二押和前面的鼓点比起来就不协调了,而且休息段连续双押看起来也很生硬

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2 single + 2 LNs

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05:40:487 (340487|2,340637|2) - 完全没有叠的必要,也完全没有哪个音需要在这叠的。

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不意味着叠啊,05:40:487 (340487|2,340637|3,340787|1) - 三个音不同的pitch. 不过还是调整了一下

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05:40:937 - 同样的地方,这里是单押,05:40:637 - 05:41:237 - 这两处是双押。统一一下
05:41:387 - 这里也有钢琴音

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专门针对的有钢琴音的,05:40:937这里没有吧,就不该加note,长条是背景音,在这里长条不做单键处理,05:41:387 这里太小声了,忽略了

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我还是感觉 05:41:387 - 这个声音足够明显了,反正我是100%下听的清清楚楚。

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05:41:387 - ? 这里不就一声synth,确定有钢琴么, 哪怕按音乐结构来看这里也应该和 05:42:587 consistent (都没有啊)

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我甚至25%都听不出来,在你们讨论大声不大声的时候,就我一个聋子。。。

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有钢琴音的,并且音高是D#7。而且这里与 05:42:587 - 并没有什么一致关系,整个钢琴旋律都不一样

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xingba

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其实感觉 05:44:987 (344987|1,345137|1) - 这种叠起来的地方,音色听着跟 04:38:855 (278855|2) - 没断开的一样,听着感觉都是连着的,要不类似的地方都合并成一整条?

补充:我查看了一下频谱,确实都是连起来的,至于被鼓点盖住的看你想法,连起来不连起来都说得通。

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确实,故意的,对于后面的,音乐逐渐强烈,拆开好一点,加上鼓点中间什么的,给体现出来

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04:44:341 (284341|2) - 05:44:987 (344987|1,345137|1) - 那么这两个都是没有被鼓点盖着的,你有什么将这两者区分的逻辑吗

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Final Kiai 05:55:937-06:15:137 i think the music on this section makes for a really cool ln section, consider making it ln rather than rice since previous sections that came before it is also ln 'w' , same with after will give example on how to make this into ln

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17601479/8cd4 <- pretty simple ln can arrange it on how you want to

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17601536/2529 <- My personal preference/ a bit inverse but overall more versatile can do stuff like (can retain some rice notes )this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17601541/99cb if it calls for it

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I made it in a new diff. hope you can check it :)

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sure let me check it in a bit

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https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17619635/de3a Be careful with stuff like these D: 1/6 is a better fit that 1/8, gives more time to not make it feel instantaneous, Overall good take, i just want more 1/2 jacks xD https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17619648/38fb

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definitely can be more dense too but i think this is reasonable enough 'w'

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6:05 onwards can go more dense or more abrasive patterning

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ok almost all done but I can't find any denser arrangement for it from 6:05, you see the music there keeps the same strength, nothing special there

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ye mb rechecked its all cool now

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06:06:810 (366810|1,366810|2) - 这种地方不建议双押,因为这个地方和鼓点差距比较大,你这段kiai的鼓点是32,这里用二押很不协调,而且特别的塞

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Nope. You can check the hitsound. Some single notes for the special sounds and rest of the notes are base

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The hitsound refer to file 7.wav

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06:15:137 - triple note?

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yeah

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06:25:409,06:26:609,06:27:809,06:30:209,06:31:409 这几处可以加一个note,都和这几处上一个note同一个轨道,也是钢琴

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OK

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06:27:437 (387437|1,387587|0) - 这里也妹有那个主旋律音啊,怎么上LN了?

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钢琴音,这里的比较特殊,区别于附近的钢琴音

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06:29:459 少了一个note抓钢琴

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Yes

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