This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Sonntag, 17. April 2011 at 14:43:12

Artist: Caramell
Title: Doktorn
Tags: Saten-san
BPM: 168
Filesize: 3978kb
Play Time: 02:32
Difficulties Available:

1. Cough Syrup (3,02 stars, 175 notes)
2. Ointment (4,14 stars, 254 notes)
3. Saten-san's Elixir (5 stars, 483 notes)
4. Vaccine (4,86 stars, 438 notes)

Download: Caramell - Doktorn
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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imma get this ranked >.<

- improvements to normal+ : -more intuitive speed-ups during Kiai-time, but the map somehow got 4,29 stars now >.< (not justified, it's not that hard -.-); also added more sliders during chorus and added some hitcircles during the part after the chorus in order to make this part harder as it was easier than the respecitve part of my easy map ^^
also i added some sliders to make certain downtimes a little more lively and intuitive

- improvements to insane: speed of the map has been adjusted to the speed of the music at 02:08:292

- improvements to easy: did change what misja056 wanted me to =) + went through the distance snap again and fixed little issues related to that

- improvements to hard+: major update; fixed slider timings, changed some parts, added hitsounds, resnapped a lot of circles, removed the 2 short spinners pre-kiai-time, fixed some timing issues

- general: fixed combo lenghts and certain slider timings that need to be snapped with 1/3 (as moonshade pointed out); recompressed mp3 --> 192 kbs, removed countdown and changed audio-lead-in to 2 seconds, resnapped certain hitobjects as Weezy told me

thx @ Saten-San for BPM and offset help!!! works like a charm now :>
even more thanks to Saten-San for making a guest diff and not completely ignoring my comments on his [Insane] which is pretty awesome!

thx @ MoonShade for his modding and overall knowledge and mappingskills

thx @ Ziin for modding!

thx @ misja056 for modding!

thx @ Weezy for his modding!

thx @ Aleks719 for his modding and patience

thx @ the users from #modhelp and #modreqs who helped me along the way

thx @ p3n for his useful feedback



what i think is done and good to go:

- easy difficulty (Cough Syrup)

- normal+ [Ointment]

- insane [Saten-San's Elixir]


finally moved this to Pending, yay !!!
looking for modders~
Vaccine is now WIP again


BexyChobo

Doktorn ger medicin ♪


BPM: 168
Offest: 1 863*
Don't forget to resnap the notes after.


Star~

Also, do you accept guest diffs? :3

Thanks a lot, Saten-san! timing seems flawless now.

as i am not very experienced at mapping i'd love if you made an [insane] ^^
i will give it a shot myself, but only the better one (yours) will be included hehe

thx for the star :>
wouldnt have thought somebody actually likes my map
kudosu to you!

BexyChobo

Here's my diff
Still lacks some hitsounds, but I'll add it later

Oh and don't forget to put a preview point on every diff :3
Seems like Easy is missing one

Download: Caramell - Doktorn (BexyChobo) [Saten-san's Insane].osu

Here's a update on my diff :3

Will add some hitsounds as well as some more adjustments later today

Download: Caramell - Doktorn (BexyChobo) [Saten-san's Elixir].osu

Thanks, i edited the OP and uploaded the map!

BexyChobo

BexyChobo wrote:

even more thanks to Saten-San for making a guest diff and not completely ignoring my comments on his [Insane] which is pretty awesome!

Sorry if it seemed like I ignored your comments, it's just that I forgot

A Hit-sound update,

Still need to work on the sliders and so
Also, If there's something, irc me

Download: Caramell - Doktorn (BexyChobo) [Saten-san's Elixir].osu

[General :] Use not : Grid Level 2 but 3 or 4. U can change in View > Grid Level > 3/4
Delete Caramell Doktorn From tags

[Bexy's cough Syrup]
Use Distance Snap!
Approach rate -2 or -3
00:10:434 (5) - Don't overlap
00:17:576 (5) - Start new combo
00:29:005 (4) - ^ + Set the slider next to the other one.
00:36:148 (1) - Set it 1/1 earlier , and 1/1 longer.
00:41:862 (1) - This Overlaps with 00:40:433 (2) -
01:01:504 (3,1) - overlaps
01:01:861 (1,2) - Overlaps
01:10:433 (4) - ^
01:15:075 (6) - New combo
01:28:646 (3) - distance snap
01:31:325 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Distance snap
02:02:574 (5) - New combo
02:24:360 (2) - Overlap

[Hard]
Recommend Grid Level 3!
00:03:291 (3,5) - Overlaps
00:41:149 (2) - overlaps with 00:42:934 (1) - Do it on that one or don't let it overlap
01:16:149 (2) - overlaps with 01:17:220 (4) -
02:30:435 (3) - overlaps with 02:31:507 (3) -

In chorus like : 02:09:364 (1) - Till 02:33:292 (2) - Use more sliders and not only Circles.

[saten-San's elixer]
Saten-San. This is an insane that's right but only for Approve maps and I guess Bexy want it ranked.
Remap It with Not much Streams after each other. I hope you understand, remap it.

I won't star it now. But ask me if I have to recheck Like the song. ;p

Hey thank you guys, updated the OP.

BexyChobo

To clear up some misunderstanding; I do want mods. That's all :3

Anyways, here's another update >.<

Download: Caramell - Doktorn (BexyChobo) [Saten-san's Elixir].osu

To clear up some misunderstanding; I do want mods. That's all :3

Anyways, here's another update >.<

I'm sorry if I made it sound like you were some kind of lone wolf, I tried not to. ^^
Thanks for the updates! I'd give you Kudosu for every update but I'm not sure if I am allowed to spam those out lol

maybe they are even limited

Will soon work on the normal+ diff and do waht misja advised me to


BexyChobo

Ich find die Map super, naja bis auf den ersten Kreisel bei Normal, weißt du aber ja ^^

take this sc2 star u pr0

[Bexy's Ointment]

0:49:XX long break (edited)

Same break 3x at the begining of the refrain. (edited)

thx for your support
Bexy's Vaccine is heavily being worked on =)

BexyChobo

you get a star

Star 4 You

Quick IRC Mod~
Nice Map :3

Thanks a ton, MoonShade!
You really help out a lot every time i ask you :3


Good luck getting your own maps ranked, they are really really good!
If anybody even ever reads this: check out Moonshade's "Sasha-Lucky Day" beatmap!


BexyChobo

nice, star =D

~star
nice map

General
Your mp3 file is 256 kb/s. Unrankable. Encode it into 192kb/s .

Cough Syrup
00:35:076 (2) - too far, distance snap
00:41:862 (3,1) - too far, distance snap
beat snap is 1/2 ? Kore wa nan desu ka? xD
00:49:957 (5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - Snap this sliders,yeah.
01:09:718 (3) - remove whistle from the end, all finish at the end.
01:12:933 (3) - too far, distance snap
01:19:361 (1) - too far, distance snap (please, follow distance snap in Easy's and Normal's)
01:27:932 (2) - too close, distance snap
01:29:361 (1) - too close, distance snap
01:31:385 (3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Oh, shi... Snap sliders at white and red ticks again.

Hitsounds is good.

Ointmen
00:02:934 (2) - 1 grid down
00:20:434 (1,2,3) - looked. (1)-- 2 grid -->(2)-- 3 grid -->(3) . Fix this.
00:22:577 (4,1,2) - ^
00:26:148 (1,2,3) - ^
00:28:291 (4,1,2) -
00:23:291 (1) - remove sliderwhistle
00:25:256 (6) - remove finish from the end of slider.
00:29:006 (1) - random whistle again
00:49:958 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2) - Again. Unsnapped. Fix.
01:01:387 (5) - Unsnapped in time again
01:02:577 (2,3,4,1) - seems bad. May be remove overlap ?
01:12:220 (5) - 1 grid down
01:12:399 (6) - 1 grid right
01:31:387 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2) - Unsnapped in time again
01:42:816 (5) - ^
02:33:292 (3) - remove clap from the start of slider.

Vaccine
168bpm... 2x bpm sections goes to 0.5x ... You are monster oO""
Please, avoid it. Make "breaks" with 1.0x bpm. And 2.0x is too much. May be 1.5x ?

00:01:863 (1) - 4000+ spinner-scores on automode. It's ranked criteria.
Oh, there are toooooo many suggestions. It sounds better, really :
00:24:006 (4) - finish it 1/4 later.Time of start is ok.
00:24:363 (5) - ^
00:30:077 (5) - ^
00:40:434 (4) - ^
00:41:149 (2) - ^
00:41:863 (4) - ^
00:42:577 (2) - ^
00:43:291 (4) - ^
00:44:006 (2) - ^
00:45:434 (1) - ^
00:46:149 (3) - ^
00:46:863 (1) - ^
00:47:578 (3) - ^
00:48:291 (1) - ^
etc... too many suggestions)
00:49:958 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Unsnapped in time.Resnap.

Sorry, sounds bad for me. I can't mod it. Fix, snap notes. send pm to me. I'll check this diff again.

Saten-san's Elixir
01:39:542 (2) - remove clap
I'll be learn streams on this diff :3
Very nice!

I give you a ~star~ for Cough Syrup and Saten-san's Elixir. Keep working.

Thanks Aleks719, I have already reworked Cough Syrup and Ointmen. However I only changed the stuff that I agreed with. Dont get me wrong, I want this ranked, but I wanna talk to you about a lot of this. Partly I don't get the problem and partly I honestly think you are making a mistake because other modders have told me to do what I did (referring to all the "unsnapped in time" incidences) and I spent twice the amount of time that has gone by since the beginning of the Cambrian explosion working on these difficulties and came to the conclusion that the timings that were suggested to me are perfect.

I'll contact you ingame once I see that you are online so we can go through your suggestions. I'm not doing anything else until then.
Thank you for your effort again and thanks for the star. I'll give you Kudosu once we have come to terms as to what needs to be done.

=)


EDIT:

He took the time to go through the list with me and we worked something out. I assume you will approve of the changes, Aleks719 ^^


BexyChobo

Sorry for the delay~

Add this custom normal-hitclap and full submit
You may also use it if you want

Aleks719 wrote:

Saten-san's Elixir
01:39:542 (2) - remove clap
I'll be learn streams on this diff :3
Very nice!

Done :3

Download: Caramell - Doktorn (BexyChobo) [Saten-san's Elixir].osu

General
- Find a source for this (good luck with that >.<)
- MP3 File MUST be between 128kbps-192kbps please fix!
- For all diffs change audio-lead-in to 2 seconds
- Disable countdown for all diffs

Cough Syrup
(I need some right now >.<)
HP-1, AR-2, OD-2
00:34:481 (1) Not snap. Do this instead: Delete (1) and add a circle on 00:34:719
00:57:099 (2) Same as above^
01:28:646 (3) Remove one repeat
01:31:385 (3) Again snapping issue (Theres more!!!)
02:08:646 (1) Remove one repeat
02:14:360 (3) Delete
02:21:503 (1) Remove one repeat
02:27:217 (3) Delete
02:33:288 End Kiai Time here

Vaccine
00:07:216 Remove this x2 BPM and fix slider
00:49:954 (1) Snap please, don't put beats if there is now line on the timing sig. Go through the entire map and fix em!
again the x2 Bpm timing does not fit! remove them all and fix the sliders!
01:59:002 (1) If auto can't get atleast 2000 its unrankable. Fix
02:00:431 (1) ^

Saten-san's
- Remove "caramell" and "doktorn" from the tags
no major issue here
mean diff D:

Anyways first two diffs needs alot of work!

Edit: Im not getting the ointment diff D:
Full submit?

Weezy:

Hmm I looked at everything you said and first I must say I am quite surprised the [Ointment] diff doesnt work for you. Nobody else had any trouble like that.

I gave you kudosu for your post because there are some actual issues that you pointed out. Things I changed that you suggested:

- recompress the mp3 to 192 kbs
- disable countdown and change audio-lead-in to 2 seconds (all diffs)
- remove the 2 tags from Saten-San's diff
- adjust the difficulty settings for [Cough Syrup]
- adjust end of Kiai-time in all diffs (even though I dont see how that makes a difference)
- fixed a lot of sliders that were falsely snapped using 1/3


Things that I find strange:

- Saten-San's diff probably has a ton more objects than my [vaccine] yet you dont find a single "issue" in that? it has not been modded yet, not saying Saten-San's map is bad but it is pretty much the very same map since day 1 and nobody finds anything?

Things I don't agree with and didnt change:

- deleting circles
- remove x2 BPM sliders on my [vaccine]

Things I don't agree with, but that I did change anyways:

- short spinners in my [vaccine]; I want a speedup during that part... so I replaced the short spinners (that I could perfectly play) with equally mean fast sliders


BexyChobo


EDIT: deleted the parts that where I was not being nice because I was wrong >.<

this is all i got to say (settled in-game) but the song is divided 1/4 so you can't put notes on 1/3 (especially for easy diffs. Focus on putting notes on white ticks and sometimes red.)

reason why i didn't say anything about the ending of kiai time cuz it should be the same for all diffs (see that i should of put it under general)

I'm not a really skilled modder so I didn't find anything wrong with Saten's diff but I bet other more skilled modder could (still love yea saten-san <3) Suggestion DON'T nag if someone can't find anything wrong with a diff :/

@ weezy:

I'm sorry, I overreacted and I wasn't even right about everything. Hope you accept my sincere apology

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How can we get the [Ointment] diff to work for you (just in case you wanna take a look at it)?

BexyChobo

[general]
I know you think you're special for coming up with unique difficulty names, but it really only does one thing: confuse the hell out of me when I see it in multiplayer and wonder which difficulty it is (easy/normal/hard/insane).
song sounds like it could be a slider tick rate 2 map.

[cough syrup]
00:49:957 (5) - never ever do this on easy. move it to on the beat. I don't care that the music is on a blue tick.
no slider speed changes in easy.
This is my personal preference, but I find sliders or repeating sliders which end on the downbeat (beat 1, the long white tick) or on beat 3 incredibly disorienting, because you're probably hitting them on the upbeat.
02:25:074 (3,1) - careful with sliders which are really high: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/63699 as you can see it's partially covered by the health bar.
02:31:502 (2) - split it up into a slider and repeating slider.

[ointment]
I hate hide and seek maps.
At least you're doing the sliders better.
00:49:988 (1) - I'm okay with the offbeat stuff if you put in more notes, which you can't do in normal. The bass drum has a big hit on the downbeat so map to that. Also, why is this at a different time than cough syrup? Make sure your timing sections are identical and you snap correctly.
02:09:006 - protip: new combos work best on beat 1. Try to put them on that note.

[vaccine]
00:05:430 (5,6,7) - slider slider circle please
quit it with the speed changes. They don't make any sense, are not constant and repeatable, and I can't feel them.
00:07:037 (4,5) - slider circle please
00:08:644 (7) - new combo, 2 circles
00:19:894 (5,6) - figure out what you're mapping here and map it. These sliders suck, and in general instant sliders suck. Personally I think using all circles and don't map the middle note (white tick) would be fine.
00:22:037 - add note?
00:22:573 (4) - move earlier to map lyrics?
00:34:716 (2) - just use 2 circles
00:37:573 - I think you could map the lyrics pretty well here, so why don't you?
00:49:984 (1) - Either map the rhythm properly or don't map it at all: http://puu.sh/18Iy
01:14:002 (2,3) - no
01:20:431 (1,2) - there were a lot of spacing errors before this, but this one is just terrible. Double check all your notes to make sure they're not too close or too far (AImod might help a lot here).

[sataen]
Spacing is a tad bit too much for me. Also, I think this song sounds best with default claps. There's no snare drums in caramell.
00:10:255 (9) - get rid of this slider change it into 2 circles, make the new combo on the 2nd circle. Do this every time you have this rhythm.
00:51:684 (7) - although here, I wouldn't even bother with the 2nd circle.
01:07:399 (4) - delete, make next note new combo
01:13:113 (3) - ^
01:24:363 (5) - circles
02:08:649 (1-4) - this is really hard to get right. I think a repeating slider would do much better.

Note to Bexy: saten's got the right timing for when to speed up sliders and such. Use those instead on whatever your hardest difficulty is called.

I pretty much changed everything you said, except 01:24:363 (5)

Download: Caramell - Doktorn (BexyChobo) [Saten-san's Elixir].osu

updated the OP with your new file


BexyChobo

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