I absolutely loathe you for making me argue so much.
I will begin with an argument of my own before proceeding to refute all your points.
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There was no doubt in my mind that there must be cops of varying sanity, in fact, all four townies must be cops in this setup. Let's see, we have naive, we have sane, insane, and then paranoid.
Based on existing arguments:SFG claimed Echo was Guilty, with, obviously, an untold scan that she couldn't say before she got killed.
adam claimed Echo was Innocent.
I claimed Echo was Innocent, then SFG was Guilty.
You claimed you were Innocent, and then I was Guilty.
0_o claimed both Echo and himself were Guilty
Now, we split it wide open.I claimed Echo was Innocent and SFG was Guilty. Based on this, I can be doubly sure that my role alignment is that of an Insane cop who gets things flipped one-eighty in terms of logic (as is my initial style of play - Insanity).
0_o doesn't automatically excuse himself, but with a Guilty claim on both roles, that can only mean 0_o is a Paranoid cop who thinks everyone is guilty - even himself.
adam claimed Echo was innocent, but was the last person to argue about it. If I am not mistaken, that can only mean adam is most likely a Naive cop who believes in a fairy land where everyone is Innocent. Unfortunately, being the last to respond somehow also placed the most suspicion on him and he died.
Which leaves you and SFG to think about.
Now look at you: You said you scanned yourself and got an Innocent, and then found me Guilty, but at the same time, SFG found you Guilty as well. If we excuse both 0_o and adam (naive and paranoid cops don't help) that leaves only the Sane, the Insane, and the Ugly-- I mean, the scum.
A sane cop would be of the right frame of mind.
An insane cop would be of the exact 180 degrees of a right frame of mind.
Lastly, the scum would scumpaint.If SFG found you guilty, and you found yourself innocent, and I also found you innocent, then based on what I said earlier, it should be that both me and SFG found you guilty... except, I was so sure SFG was lying at that point of time that I voted her, without realising just how crazy this whole game was.
How about I propose the possibility that all along you tried to show that you were the Sane cop, and that you must be right? Then again, considering that SFG bears the possibility of being a Sane cop, you killed her in order to make her STFU.
0_o's scum-breaking post right after your miller post did not actually prove to you that he was civilian, rather, it proved to you that between SFG and 0_o
one of them has to be sane, so one of them has to go.
Moreover, it would do you no good if both survived because if I wound up dead, then:SFG scans me and finds me Innocent when I died = SFG innocent, 0_o unknown, Echo unknown
0_o finds another person Guilty for whatever reason = SFG innocent, 0_o likely innocent, leaving YOU as the likeliest scum.
Then let's consider this: Why was 0_o not killed? Let's all take up an assumption for him being dead.Assuming me and SFG targetted the same person, no matter who, and whether he was dead or alive didn't matter.
SFG scans <anybody> and finds him/her to be Innocent: SFG innocent, me unknown, Echo unknown.
I scan <same anybody> and finds him/her to be Guilty: SFG innocent (Sane), me innocent (Insane), still leaving you as the scum because your scans would either be scumpainting or would just expose yourself, especially if I wounded up scanning myself and found myself Guilty when you say the same.
I scanned a different anybody (not you) and finds him/her to be Guilty: SFG innocent, me likely innocent, still leaving you as the likeliest scum.
Of course I'm accusing others but myself, I know I'm innocent o.O
And that leaves either you or adam for mafia. Adam's dead, which leaves you.
A scum would also say he's innocent, and scumpaint someone with intensity. I can't say that enough.
You're the one who told ("dared") me to point out specific reasons other than the facts above as to why you're mafia, and I did just that. Now you're saying it's scummy to say why you're acting scummy. Are you trying to straw man me?
1. Don't quote mafiascum.net wiki because I don't read up, and I am not experienced at the game enough to use those terms on a regular basis. However, your tendency to quote outside definitions to make a point does show that you're enough of a wily fox to misrepresent the civilians, as is what SFG said; the wolf playing the shepherd, if you must.
Says who? At least I have quotes and reasoning to back up my view. You're just saying I'm lying with no evidence whatsoever.
See above for your beloved quotes and reasoning. You're doing the same by saying I am the liar, without enough concrete proof either. You only quoted my late reply as the strongest proof that I must be a late scum, but why did you vote adam then if you thought so strongly of ME as scum from the get go? That's because he was the last to reply, and, consequently, not being a scum he was the easiest to scumpaint by you. Afaik, you have misguided people into voting adam and me, and then saying "we must have won if those two are scum" but the facts is that, voting adam led SFG to her death, and now voting me would lead to either your death or 0_o's.
If there's a smart bet on this it's that you're the scum and killing both me and adam would invariably be a scum victory.
Also, isn't it possible that a scum acts early and upfront in order to create the illusion that the scum is the civilian? Certainly I would like to propose that you're doing just that, since the first post you made was a i-am-a-miller post, not even a i-am-a-cop. Why would you subject to baiting the scum when you are not even sure of the game setup? You wanted to test the responses of the people, and pick out the people easiest to scumpaint.
Why not I help you change your statement since we're at this? You can accuse me of appealing to emotion if you want to.
Echo - as we would imagine in the head of a scum wrote:
Once we lynch Pas or adam we - I mean, the scum - would be the victor.
Half of that is true. adam's dead now. That doesn't mean you're clear, Echo.
Once again I quote the "die scum die" comment as an uncharacteristic, self-proclaimed victory coming from a scum - YOU, Echo. And once again I would reinforce the point that no matter what it was, appealing to emotion RIGHT AFTER accusing someone of appealing to emotion is also fuel for suspicion.
Of course I'm insisting that. I know 0_o is innocent, I know I'm innocent. Who else can I lynch?
Likely I was thinking of this as well.
And you continued to act based on this assumption (post #161422) even after SFG told you that you don't know your sanity (post #161197). Skipping posts? Ignoring posts?
Yes, I continued to act on that assumption because I didn't know better. I am an inexperienced player at mafia - stop fucking around and attack my inexperience as an excuse.
From the looks of it, everyone believed that role claim. There was no reason or need for me to change the story whether I was townie, actually miller, or scum.
Then explain why I found SFG guilty when she's dead? Note, if she were really the guilty one, YOU would be dead by now since you'll be the likelier to bear the role of the Sane cop IF you were dead (remember what I said? I found you Innocent, so which means if you were killed I'd be the naive cop and 0_o the paranoid cop). Also, I quote my own inexperience again.
I did not attack you based on any quotes that could be interpreted as WIFOM, nor did I use any WIFOM in my arguments. I don't think you understand what WIFOM means.
You say I behave scummy because of this this this and that that that. If that is not WIFOM, I don't know what is. Don't bother correcting me or attempting to.
SFG's logic here is incorrect. Given that the game most likely has a paranoid (always guilty), naive (always innocent), sane (correct results) and insane (opposite results) cops, any person is equally likely to come up innocent or guilty due to an investigation. Therefore, there is no reason why anyone should be discriminated against due to investigation results.
In addition, "making reasonable arguments" is not a valid reason to discriminate someone with. I mean, what the heck? Oh look, SFG's making a reasonable argument right here, let's not listen to her. Not to mention, since you investigated SFG and she came up guilty, doesn't quoting her mean you're ignoring what you're quoting?
Quoting her here means I believe she's innocent. Consequently, then I believe I am an Insane cop who got his rights and wrongs mixed up. Since 0_o got two guilty verdicts, that only reinforces the point that he is innocent, and if my Innocent refers to a Guilty verdict then you're it.
Pasonia wrote:
Why would I appeal to anyone's emotions if all I said were just for myself to fret over (whatever's in M4 is more appealing to emotion than anything else)? 0_o didn't need to read much into that, as those were just me saying stuff to myself.
Echo wrote:
I know you are. Had enough? Suicide is always an option. Die scum die >:D
You're just as guilty of appealing to emotion, RIGHT AFTER accusing me of appealing to emotion. Irony much?
Echo wrote:
Saying "I regret not listening to someone" is appealing to other people's sense of pity in an attempt to get them to side with you. Telling you to kill yourself is not (and would be pretty strange as) an attempt to persuade someone other than yourself (and this is in reference to your own will to carry on the argument) to vote you.
Then how about die scum die? Wasn't that an appeal to emotion? Or should I say, do you DARE to say that that was in NO WAY an appeal to emotion? I insist on this because I was sure you'd have thought "with this, I would force Pasonia to back out and 0_o would subsequently vote him".
I bet that with my proclamation of inexperience in an IRC conversation some time before, you would certainly have thought I'll back down, but I won't back out this time like I did in M4.
Because I am Innocent, you are Guilty, and nothing can change this FACT. Your arguments are easily refutable (though tedious to refute) and as it stands, the more you say now the more you lie about.