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pieguyn
I think we should do 2 people and not 3. 2 is more likely to get a true result and even if we get a false one we have more information as to who the mafia is.
akrolsmir
Fine, 2 people then. Honestly I don't think it makes a difference, as I've said before the mafia will probably figure out a way to stop his ability.
Haneii
Responding to prod.

Will post daily starting tomorrow.

Sorry for the inconvenience.
Two_old

akrolsmir wrote:

Fine, 2 people then. Honestly I don't think it makes a difference, as I've said before the mafia will probably figure out a way to stop his ability.
it's fine even if they do~

roleclaim: watcher

I can see who targets a player every night, and, if I post in red, I can see who they target as well

last night chris was targeted by and targeted no one
bmin11
How do you figure that one? I thought it was more of a bluff than anything.
Bluffing orz...... that's a possibility orz....

I think we can leave it to Chris to decide who he will check N2. I don't really want the mafia to know who Chris is going to check as well.
Wojjan

Two wrote:

last night chris was targeted by and targeted no one
I guess that's good news? In setups I'm used to, roles that don't visit their targets can't get roleblocked. mod: is this the case for this game?
Topic Starter
0_o

Wojjan wrote:

I guess that's good news? In setups I'm used to, roles that don't visit their targets can't get roleblocked. mod: is this the case for this game?
Any ability that involves sending me an action can be roleblocked.
DeathxShinigami
Hi guys. Sorry I couldn't post earlier as it was due to my role preventing me to post until "x" user posted before me.

Though, nice to see people actually figuring out I am indeed a town based role.

And if you're curious I can't role claim the exact role either so there.
Lybydose
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DeathxShinigami may no longer post for the rest of the (Mafia) day. Any attempt to evade your !silence will result in a modkill.

Vote Count

DxS (2) - Two, akrolsmir
Two_old
on to the next most productive activity

unvote, vote Haneii
Topic Starter
0_o
Alright I'll be gone for the next ~24 hours or so, please direct all inquiries/actions to Lybydose until then.
Two_old
actually, since haneii already promised to post, and since it's been 12 hours since you said this

foulcoon wrote:

Sorry guys I spent the holiday with my family and I wasn't able to follow the thread.

Right now the top two people I find suspicious are DxS and LunaticMara. DxS for claiming to have some awesome role and not posting after LS practically explained that it was possible DxS did nothing to affect the vote..
1. I think a player of your caliber would know that deathxshinigami wasn't mafia and that lunaticmara missing that is actually a town tell

2. you are extremely likely to have picked 1 or more BATs for your role choices

oh and I honestly would rather one of these lurkers voted so they have a reason to talk, unvote, vote: foulcoon
foulcoon
Vote: foulcoon

he lied about his role like 6 times.





oh wait, that was Two. unvote

I found DxS far more suspicious than Mara, but I really think anybody who was mafia would be stupid to act like he has for two days in a row. Also the fact that he was silenced (BAT ability) leads me to believe he is town.


Now,

1. I think a player of your caliber would know that deathxshinigami wasn't mafia and that lunaticmara missing that is actually a town tell

2. you are extremely likely to have picked 1 or more BATs for your role choices

oh and I honestly would rather one of these lurkers voted so they have a reason to talk
1. At this point, yes I agree DxS isn't mafia. I don't understand how Mara repeatedly trying to make you look suspicious is a town tell, though.

2. I'm actually not friends with many BATs, more like ex-BATs and trolls / my vent peoples. Also y u role fish brah? If you make me have to role-claim I'm going to cut a bitch.

And in regards to "oh and I honestly would rather one of these lurkers voted so they have a reason to talk",

Wouldn't you rather have lurkers pressured to talk than have a cop or possible aux lynched? Come on now.
Two_old
awp, ival, rolled? bats?

also lets both be honest, you will not fully roleclaim ever
Chris_old
did you just attempt to roleclaim cop

also you are a lurker
foulcoon
No I "attempted" to claim nohitter was cop. Also I'm not a lurker, I've already explained my case.
Two_old
well for someone who wanted to pressure lurkers, you didn't and haven't been doing much pressuring

and was it really coincidence that you were online such a short amount of time from my vote for you, or do you normally just opt not to post (and thus opt not to contribute to town)?

and again, how can you say you wouldn't pick bats when I almost can't imagine you not picking them? want to share who you did pick? for full disclosure, I picked quaraezha animask and bmin11
foulcoon
Like I said I spent the holiday with family. The reason in online to respond is I subscribe to the thread and can postfrom my phone like I'm doing now. I'm at work and would rather not have to post in real time until the end of my shift.
Two_old
so a vote on you is what is urgent enough for you to post from your phone
Wojjan

Two wrote:

so a vote on you is what is urgent enough for you to post from your phone
duh
LadySuburu
Heh, that confirms my suspicions that there was indeed a silence ability. (Which I figured would be used on me around the time I was to post the DxS stuff, if we went down that route.)

Honestly, as a use of an active ability silencing DxS doesn't really seem like a super smart move.

Also, at this point I'm going to Vote: akrolsmir
akrolsmir
Unvote in light of DxS's silence.

Currently I'm suspicious of Mashley, for general lurking and being the one DxS and NoHitter voted day 1, and LunaticMara (mostly gut).

LS, care to explain?
LadySuburu

akrolsmir wrote:

LS, care to explain?
For now I'll say that it's mostly gut as well.
Lybydose
Vote Count

Mashley (1) - pieguy
foulcoon (1) - Two
akrolsmir (1) - LadySuburu
Wojjan
if DxS got silenced I'm going to assume since not posting is inherently anti-town that it was an ability a mafia member pulled. And as such I doubt they'd silence one of their own.

Thanks for giving us another clear I guess.
Two_old
??? I was under the impression that DeathxShinigami was silenced as punishment for saying he can't claim his role, guess I didn't notice that the end of it was chopped of where a name would be

also I'm voting for foulcoon not haneii
Rantai
Well that clears that question up.

Urgh though, I'm not getting any feelings from anyone right now except for one post;

animask wrote:

Also, anyone want to summarize Day 1 for me? (Three people maybe?)
Just the important stuff? I don't want to over-analyze every post...
Aside from the fact I don't think I've seen animask since this post, this is just screaming for future 'what they said' reasoning... (and to be honest I really think that kind of excuse is a cop out)

Speak your mind animask, I am curious.
Chris_old
animask lurked the thread and then left, even after your post Rantai.

ooOooOooo
Rantai
>.>

<.<

Vote: animask
Sleep Powder
I'm in a tl;dr mood right now...

(Stop voting for me lol xD)
Mara
Don't be in that mood now.

Just. Be cool. Tell stuff.
Lilac
How about you?

Or even me?

Or maybe even-- *shotgunned*
Two_old

animask wrote:

I'm in a tl;dr mood right now...

(Stop voting for me lol xD)
so we're 9+ days into the game and you've already said you didn't read day 1, and I guess with this post you are saying you didn't read day 2

thanks for playing
Two_old
vote: modkill for animask

let it happen
Haneii
Finished catching up until present day 2 :)

Things I've taken note of:

Chris – Two (Wojjan, Two, LS, and rust are all town)

Two’s Quara role is weird… (I guess it could be partially true, but I find it hard to believe you’re a watcher because you lied the first time and could have told us earlier, why wait? Actually, why did you tell us in the first place?)

LS – Strager ( took a vote off DxS?)

animask asking to summarize Day 1 (You’re town, no? You need to vote on who YOU think is most suspicious – you shouldn’t be basing your vote on someone else’s analysis until after you’ve considered your own thoughts.) *Scummy/Lazy points*

DxS is likely town/low on my FoS list

Akro is too passive o.O Oh right, fuck meta.

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Chris wrote:

What would you like me to say to the host N2?
"Is X town"

I disagree with 2 choices since we already a group confirmed town + an idea of who are most likely town. This also means the chances for one of the choices in a X and Y statement being mafia (resulting in a false statement) is high. Of course we might get lucky with 2 choices but I'd rather not risk it/waste time and energy should it come out false. Day lynch + results of 1 choice statement + NK results are plenty enough info.

I also suggest the doctor to protect Chris every night for as long as they can.

Also, anyway to test if Chris is telling the truth about his role? (ignoring watcher results because I don't trust Two XD - Leaning towards town but I can't put my trust in you completely, sorry)
Two_old

Haneii wrote:

Also, anyway to test if Chris is telling the truth about his role? (ignoring watcher results because I don't trust Two XD - Leaning towards town but I can't put my trust in you completely, sorry)
you don't trust me yet you "want the doctor to protect chris every night" XD XD XD

if you don't trust me then you also suspect that chris is mafia, and if you suspect chris is mafia then what do you propose he crafted his "confirmed" list from? do you think that he picked 1 mafia to claim as town? all town to claim as town? how about two? would the two mafia be myself and wojjan? if that were the case, you'd have 3 mafia entangled in that, so you see this is a slippery slope

basically I'm calling your post bullshit XD
Haneii

Two wrote:

do you think that he picked 1 mafia to claim as town? all town to claim as town? how about two? would the two mafia be myself and wojjan? if that were the case, you'd have 3 mafia entangled in that, so you see this is a slippery slope
Wow, that's nearly spot on o.o (except for the specifics. ie: names like you or wojjan). Get out of my head Two :U

Just wary I guess.

It' d be devastating if we put our trust in Chris for the next couple of days only to find out later he was mafia.
Two_old
there is no reason to suggest that we don't put our trust in him, as it will be evident fairly quickly if he was honest or not

I just don't buy a post from someone who not only kept his vote on a roleclaimed edit:cop*, but says that he thinks the same person is mafia that he tells the doctor to protect
pieguyn
Someone proposed that we lynch Chris if he wasn't NK'ed in a few days. However, with that proposal, the mafia could use WIFOM. :cry:
Two_old
yeah lets lynch him now I mean it's not like he doesn't have the most overpowered role in the history of mafia games

that couldn't hurt town
Haneii

Haneii wrote:

Leaning towards town but I can't put my trust in you completely, sorry
Might not be clear - ^ referring to Two there, not Chris.

I trust neither 100%, but I trust Chris as much as I trust everyone else in this game. Two not so much.
Two_old
you can't have one without the other, why is this hard to grasp

if you trust chris, and chris says he was told xyz are confirmed town, then you should believe xyz are confirmed town

hint: I'm one of those letters

does anyone else think it's shady for him to directly contradict himself in every post?
Haneii

Two wrote:

if you trust chris, and chris says he was told xyz are confirmed town, then you should believe xyz are confirmed town
I'd still like some kind of confirmation that what he's telling us is legit. With the way things are going it looks like town is willing to depend on him for the most part. Like I said, it would be terrible if he turns up mafia and we've been thinking his statmenst/results were true the whole time @_@ (can you say set back?) + role seems too good to be true. [/pessimism]

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Back to what Chris should ask mod tonight? (I'll still answer to my distrust issues if you'd like to continue Two, but I don't want to waste too much time [Multi-task/topic + I only have a limited time to post so I'd like to get some discussions going while I'm here]

Suggestion: Most suspicious gets day lynched and next suspicious goes up for Chris/Mod detection.
akrolsmir

pieguy1372 wrote:

Someone proposed that we lynch Chris if he wasn't NK'ed in a few days. However, with that proposal, the mafia could use WIFOM. :cry:
(That was me) In that case we get three more days of information from chris. If he detects wisely then we've pretty much won by then.

Haneii wrote:

I'd still like some kind of confirmation that what he's telling us is legit.
Don't bother. If we try to set something up he'll know and could tell the truth for that particular investigation. In fact, if he were mafia he'd obviously be feeding us half-truths- if he flipped scum I'd assume at least half of the four he picked out day 1 are really town.

Just lynch him in three days, and mostly trust him until then.

Oh, also this is relatively "passive" just because it's harder to get what's going on when there's so many people. Not to mention lurkers abound.
foulcoon
Hi, home from work (fucking finally).

I don't recommend lynching Chris after 3 days anyways. I feel like hes legit, as Two probably is (aside from obvious lies about his role). If this duo we're the mafia they'd be stupid to make claims like this in the first/second day. Lynching either of them would not be beneficial to town at this point, odds are one of them will probably get NK'd tonight anyways. And as for what Chris should send the mod, I agree the whole single target thing would be good because it would help us plan lynches. Ask the mod if a person you find suspicious is town. I wouldn't be against you asking the mod about me given the fact that Two seems to think I'm mafia for trivial things.

Side Note: are there any restrictions to the questions you can ask, or is everything fair game?
Chris_old

foulcoon wrote:

Side Note: are there any restrictions to the questions you can ask, or is everything fair game?
I can not ask questions, only make statements. There are no restrictions only anything, and I only get told True/False.
Topic Starter
0_o
I'm baaaack

Vote Count
Mashley (1) pieguy
foulcoon (1) Two
animask (1) Rantai
akrolsmir (1) LadySuburu

~52 hours remaining
Two_old
ok here is what we need to do: everyone should roleclaim what user their role is

I'll start: quaraezha
LadySuburu
strager

Update on plan: If we don't get more of a consensus on a lynch, I'm planning on placing my vote on whomever I personally feel is likely to be scum, and stealing that person's vote and doing the same.
Wojjan
Loginer
Mara
FisHie
bmin11
Daru
pieguyn
Index-san
akrolsmir
Sakura Hana
Two_old
so apparently bats aren't mafia since loginer is a bat

well that was a waste of time
Mara
Loginer is GMT.
akrolsmir
At least now we have something to reference later to catch people lying. The abilities of people should kind of match the flavor, so someone who claimed would have a hard time pretending to be a miller, for example.

BATs are probably still mafia, seeing as no one's claimed to be one yet.
Haneii
Shinxyn
Two_old
Mara
He is GMT. All GMTs got that retarded BAT-title for some reason, even though they are GMTs.

Deal with it.
bmin11
Mod: Are GMTs included in BAT?
Lybydose

bmin11 wrote:

Mod: Are GMTs included in BAT?
This is a closed setup game.
foulcoon
Ivalset

nigga
Two_old
yeah, I'm keeping my vote on you
pieguyn

akrolsmir wrote:

Sakura Hana
Can you mod my map? It's a Touhou map...

...oh wait I'm Index-san. Never mind :?
Rantai
Azure_Kyte

And about BATS, it specified that it is a corrupt group of BATS. So it may not include every single one.
Two_old
Mashley
animask
Lilac
pieguy1372
foulcoon
DeathxShinigami
akrolsmir
Haneii
bmin11
Rantai
LunaticMara

what is everyone's reason for each player above not being mafia
bmin11
Mashley - none. I actually want a replacement for him ("I got new games. Fuck posting")
animask - none. I actually want a replacement for him ("I'm in tl;dr mood")
Lilac - none. Two's point still stands.
pieguy1372 - seems helpful pointing out some possible false with our strategy
foulcoon - role claimed to be a GMT even he was under the rador. Too much WIFOM however...
DeathxShinigami - this was explained for pages. He got lynched on D1 which could have been easily prevented and got silenced D2.
akrolsmir - Similar to pieguy
Haneii - he seems really worried with believing in Chris's claim, which is natural for townie.
bmin11 - ya he's town as shit
Rantai - none
LunaticMara - none. Was rather confusing reading his posts. He doesn't seem to be interested on scum hunting and elaborating his thoughts

I'm having similar difficulty with what akrolsmir is getting. Never really played a big game before and my thoughts aren't really coming through orz



Mod: Replacement request for animask and Mashley
Two_old
foulcoon lurking it up~
foulcoon
I agree with most of what bmin said. I don't really get what you're saying about Mara though.

P.S. Ivalset is not a BAT or GMT. He is a badass though.
foulcoon
Not even lurking, just on 3G in a building with shit servie typing on my phone.
Topic Starter
0_o

bmin11 wrote:

Mod: Replacement request for animask and Mashley
Replacements will only be made when a prod is not responded to, or if requested by the player themselves.
bmin11
Prod: animask and Mashley
Topic Starter
0_o

bmin11 wrote:

Prod: animask and Mashley
Prods have been sent.
Mashley
Oh crap, I forgot. We're meant to be roleclaiming, right?
peppy
But, actually, winning at this point is impossible as I'm a lyncher and my win condition is to have LadySuburu (strager) lynched. Which is practically impossible now since they're confirmed town as far as most people are concerned :\ Whatever, go lynch me since I guess I'm technically anti-town.
foulcoon
Are you expressing complete disinterest, or would you be willing to help town. Does your role confirm LS as strager, or just say that your objective is to kill strager, whoever it may be?
Mashley
LS is strager, that's confirmed in the PM. I'm willing to help the town (sort of), but I'd imagine I'm classified as an 'anti-town force'.
foulcoon
There's not really a compromise we can make becase LS is town. Its not like we'd be willing to lynch him for you to win. If you help us you understand that you have no chance to win, right?

Id really expect strager to be an independent role, but now that its confirmed we can add LS to the confirmed town list permanently.
Mashley
I never asked you to lynch him :P
Mara

bmin11 wrote:

LunaticMara - none. Was rather confusing reading his posts.
I am ALWAYS confusing.
Wojjan
so Chris' claim is looking better and better.

cool, I guess.

Chris, could you ask if in Mashley, Haneii or foulcoon there's one anti-town player?
LadySuburu

Mafiawiki wrote:

The Lyncher is a third-party role whose win condition is to get a specific person (the Lynchee) lynched. If the Lynchee is lynched while the Lyncher is alive and on the Lynchee's wagon, the Lyncher wins. If the Lyncher dies first or the Lyncher is the only scum left in the game and the Lynchee is still alive, the Lyncher loses.

Mods have differing policies in regard to what happens if a Lynchee is nightkilled: the Lyncher may gain the pro-Town Win Condition, may become a Survivor, may change their Lynchee to whoever made that kill, or may win as if that player had gotten lynched.
So basically we leave mash alive, and if I'm NKed ever then either we gain another confirmed town / survivor, we gain a lyncher who targets the mafia, or he'll win (which I assume this game is a multi-win, but if it's not then the mafia risk losing by killing me.)


Sounds like a good situation for us.

Before I head to sleep tonight, I'm voting with both my votes. Who I'm voting depends on if we've actually got a consensus or not. If we don't, as I said before I'm voting for whoever I feel like.

@Wojjan - Thinking over what you wrote, do you mean something like: "There's exactally one anti-town player between Mashley, Haneii, and Foulcoon."?

If so, it would be better just to use "Haneii and Foulcoon are both pro-town.", since it's basically confirmed that Mashley's anti-town.
Wojjan
Oh, I forgot Mashley already claimed. Fine, go with another lurker. foul, Haneii and animask. And not "exactly one" just "one or more"
Wojjan
I kinda just wanna string up a lurker as a warning by now really. They're no use, so it's easy for mafs to lurk with them then
akrolsmir

LadySuburu wrote:

If we don't, as I said before I'm voting for whoever I feel like.
Please do provide some justification first (your votes' are still on me, and I'd prefer not to be lynched on a whim)

Wojjan wrote:

I kinda just wanna string up a lurker as a warning by now really. They're no use, so it's easy for mafs to lurk with them then
Agreed. I still can't read much, in part due to the inactivity of some people.
Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count

Mashley (1) pieguy
foulcoon (1) Two
animask (1) Rantai
akrolsmir (1) LadySuburu

21 hours remaining
LadySuburu

akrolsmir wrote:

Please do provide some justification first (your votes' are still on me, and I'd prefer not to be lynched on a whim)

Agreed. I still can't read much, in part due to the inactivity of some people.
I just haven't unvoted yet, since I don't see a need to. I'm still deciding on who I think should be lynched.

To be fair, I'll give you the reasons I have my gut suspicion on you.

akrolsmir wrote:

Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
This post gave me a real bad feeling. It was the main reason I started to look at you.

Votecount wrote:

DxS (5) Two, Lilac, akrolsmir, LunaticMara, foulcoon
Ironically, the other people I'm considering voting are all of the players not striked out on this list.


There are more reasons, but none of which I feel are really strong enough to post. I can decide who I think is scum based on anything I can find, generally I'll post something if I think it warrents other people looking at it.

Oh, and the other reason I waited and didn't unvote and gave virtually no reasons as to why I was voting you, was to test your reaction to my unexplained vote.
Two_old
"one or more is anti-town" is the same as "all are pro-town", only inferior since it may not pick up independent roles

with foulcoon, I don't know why day 1 he decided to vote at all, but I'm torn because I don't think town would have voted for deathxshinigami at that point (mashley is the only target that made sense)

day 2 when lilac proposed the vigilante kill deathxshinigami, he didn't even express opposition to it and instead chose to say this:
Why wouldn't a vig be able to kill DxS? He already avoided lynch somehow, are you saying he could avoid bullets too? That would be OP :S
which in my mind is encouraging a vigilante to do it

While we're on that subject, I don't see why Lilac would say those things as town... but I also don't see why they would say those things as mafia since it's bad play on both sides. I guess they were hoping for it to be done quickly.

so I'm fine with either a lilac or foulcoon lynch, but I'm sticking with my vote
akrolsmir
I'll go with Vote: Lilac, since his posts to date have been a lot less substantive than foulcoon's. It looks like he tried pretty hard to get DxS killed, but then after LS's claim he's basically said nothing. And he's failed to claim even a name at this point.

It's not a great case, but it's what I could pick up.

LadySuburu wrote:

akrolsmir wrote:

Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
This post gave me a real bad feeling. It was the main reason I started to look at you.
Someone else also pointed to that post as suspicious I think. What I don't understand is how trying to get people to vote and reminding them of a deadline is a bad thing.

Incidentally the same is true again now...
Sleep Powder
Roleclaim: Rokodo/Bus Driver(??)

/me goes back to doing nothing.
Chris_old
vote: animask
Two_old

animask wrote:

/me goes back to doing nothing.
Why do you join every single mafia game if you don't want to read or post? Do you really just join these to troll people?

I'm not asking a rhetorical question. I really want to know, animask.
Sleep Powder
I'm not really interested in this game in particular. I just joined thinking I would have a cool role or something.

Modkill request

unless Rolled wants to fill in for this spot.
Chris_old

animask wrote:

I'm not really interested in this game in particular. I just joined thinking I would have a cool role or something.

Modkill request
please never join another game ever
Rantai
Hold on, Request replacement for animask
Rolled
o/
Mara
And Rolled saves the day.
Lybydose
well then

Rolled replaces animask
Rantai
Ok.

Unvote: Rolled - My vote was based on animask's sheer laziness, let's see what you have to say Rolled.
pieguyn
ohai Rolled~

If Mashley isn't mafia, the person I find next most suspicious is Haneii...or akrolsmir, but moreso Haneii. Not to mention he's a lot less active than he is usually...

unvote Mashley, vote Haneii
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