Uh, welcome Two.
...

Two wrote:

no

unless you explain any of your logic, nothing about your actions will help town, whether you are confirmed town or not.

I am inherently a boon to town

you on the otherhand are not

and it's made worse by you voting for a cop gj

and there goes Two being reasonable as always.

Seriously though, if you think Mashley is a legitimate cop in spite of the evidence against that, explaining why is more likely to get us to agree with you than threatening us.

This isn't really going anywhere.. :/

Also some people need a prod, it seems.

Lol Two, you so crazy. (thanks though)

akrolsmir wrote:

Seriously though, if you think Mashley is a legitimate cop in spite of the evidence against that, explaining why is more likely to get us to agree with you than threatening us.

I don't have to provide evidence

if you were named as guilty and don't roleclaim, you are guilty

Mashley wrote:

Lol Two, you so crazy. (thanks though)

ssssssssssssssssssscummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Two is amazing.

I'm just sayin'.

I'm targeting Two tonight.

If I end up dead, you know what that means.

KRZY wrote:

I'm targeting Two tonight.

If I end up dead, you know what that means.

It means the mafia killed Two.

or

Two wrote:

and if pieguy does move it, I'm going to kill you KRZY

or

Two is mafia.

So I guess it could be anything.

mod: votecount please?

Now that I think about it more, assuming a cop is insane is not such a good idea IMO. There's 15 people left, of which I can assume 5/19 mafia at most, so we're at 5/10. If we mislynch, we'll have 4/7 two days from now, and if not we'll have 3/8 two days from now and one confirmed town.

Meanwhile, if we mislynch Lyby we'll be at 3/6 three days from now, and if not we'll be at 4/9 one day from now and have two confirmed town. Looking at these options, the situation of assuming Mashley is sane seems safer IMO.

I just want to make sure I don't hammer Rantai, seeing as I think he has the most votes by a mile anyway.

uh you have no chance of doing that

the vote count should be me fishie and you voting for mafia and wojjan rantai tastelikecoke krzy and someone else voting for cop

Oh lmao, I got Rantai confused with Mashley. Sorry

unvote, vote Rantai

Two wrote:

the vote count should be me fishie and you voting for mafia and wojjan rantai tastelikecoke krzy and someone else voting for cop

ooooh scumpaint me harder
yessss right there that's the spot

uh that was directed at lybydose but nice projection

I kinda lost track. So are you saying Mashley is a genuine cop who got a genuine motivation last night?
Don't you find that a little bit unlikely?

oh but then insane or whatever sure slap a sanity on it

Two wrote:

I don't have to provide evidence

if you were named as guilty and don't roleclaim, you are guilty

That... is evidence. Or at least some reasoning on your part, it does help me make a decision.

The last time you persuaded everyone to vote for Rantai it didn't work out so well for us... but I guess I'll listen to you this time. unvote, vote: Rantai. Now it's 4-4 for Mashley and Rantai.

If he flips town, I won't know whether to lynch you, Lybydose or Mashley.

By that token you're saying Wojjan is scum too? (both got a guilty)

As I've said before a mislynch here is going to end up in wasting another day trying to verify his sanity. If you really want to take a shot at his sanity via lynch, voting Lybydose makes much more sense seeing as (I assume others may think this too) he is possibly insane.

But ugh you guys are way too easily swayed, Roleclaim: Battle Tactician

Looking at my role pm I'm very clearly Welkin Gunther (Valkyria Chronicles) and can tell someone to redirect their action at someone else because I am a brilliant leader.

Extra info, back on day 2 (N1) I redirect adam to LS. When LS claimed to be hit and Swift claimed adam was mafia, that was more than enough evidence to not question his results (I think I hinted about my night action somewhere). Last night I redirected Wojjan to bmin.

the actions you claim to have done are solely involved with mafia and suspected mafia, you know

If he flips town, I won't know whether to lynch you, Lybydose or Mashley.

I laughed

I would really like to lynch pieguy, who is game?

That was my intention when targeting, Two.

I want to redirect a Mafia night kill back at them.

it's convenient regardless

I understand your suspicion there, I got lucky redirecting the night kill on my first try.

But I will appeal with you here. If Mashley is a cop, then I know for certain that he is not sane.

Reiterating my last post, doesn't it make much more sense to lynch Lybydose if we're going to verify the results? Because if I get lynched and flip town we're no closer to figuring out who is what. People will be suspicious of you for a mislynch and Mashley will still be unverified as insane or not a cop. Not to mention that hitting 1 town 2 mafia in a row is much less likely than hitting 1 mafia and 2 town.

Rantai wrote:

Reiterating my last post, doesn't it make much more sense to lynch Lybydose if we're going to verify the results? Because if I get lynched and flip town we're no closer to figuring out who is what. People will be suspicious of you for a mislynch and Mashley will still be unverified as insane or not a cop.

No because then you'll just lynch me and I'll flip town and we'll be no closer to figuring out who is what. It works both ways you know.

...ookay, now I think I should rethink some things again. Mashley called out Wojjan and Rantai, who have both roleclaimed quite powerful roles. I definitely think Lybydose should roleclaim, because as it is the fact that Wojjan and Rantai both had something makes it more likely that Mashley was insane and they're telling the truth. Plus, Rantai's night action explains why he was so quick on the draw D2 (his first post and the second vote on adam). It's a bit hard to set something like that up if you're mafia because you have no way of knowing if that role already exists in the game or not, whereas if it is your role you know you're it.

However, meta plus this

Very rarely, a Redirector will, instead of redirecting all Night actions that targeted a specific player, redirect all Night actions performed by a specific player. This role is rare enough that there is no unique name given to this role.

(from mafiawiki redirector article)
further adds to the possibility that Rantai is actually mafia. If there were 5 mafia, having two cops would make quite a bit of sense. Plus, they could have set it up easily so that they targeted LS anyway and claimed that. There's also at best a 1/4 chance of adam actually being the one who performed the kill, and I assume it works this way because otherwise it would be an OP role for finding out who the mafia is (if targeted and the person redirected towards dies, that person is mafia).

I'm willing to say that Two is practically a confirmed town because Mashley killed someone N1, told everyone what his role was, and then only one person died N2, which fits with his role. If we suddenly get 2 kills per night again, though, we'll know something wrong. If we eliminate all mafia (I assume 5) and the game is still going on, then he might be a SK who didn't kill anyone the whole game, but that would be an insane strategy to do as SK so I'll disregard that for now.

A Mashley lynch is not so good because we'll mislynch at most one anyway, and we'll probably end up losing someone less powerful than a cop. For now, I think Lybydose should roleclaim, and if we do decide that Mashley is more likely to be sane, a Wojjan lynch would be better than a Rantai lynch due to the roles they claimed (but if he's mafia, we'll lynch Rantai anyway).

For now, I honestly have no idea whether Mashley is more likely to be sane or insane, but IMO Lybydose was acting rather suspicious and Rantai and Wojjan both have roleclaims, and there was already a cop, so it all adds up if he were insane as well. I'm not really used to dealing with insane cops though, and I'm bad at getting leads on players in big games. >.<//

Then again, we haven't had an insane cop yet, and it would be funny if Phoenix Wright of all people was insane...but I'm playing WIFOM with the mod now so I'll stop that

massclaim gogogo

what the hell IS Wojjan's role anyway? "oneshot timepause roleblocker", followed by "disregard that I confused another game"

I might as well claim because I have the most useless and boring role possible anyway. I mean there's no incentive for me to really DO anything.

I am a Player in the Reapers' Game. That's right, I chose Subarashiki Kono Sekai (The World Ends With You). I just have to survive until endgame.

if you want to win this we need to take a hard stance on this right now:

Two: Vigilante
Rantai: Redirector
Lybydose: Survivor
Mashley: Cop
Wojjan: ???
pieguy1372: ???
LunaticMara: ???
fishie: ???
Lilac: ???
foulcoon: ???
akrolsmir: ???
tastelikecoke: ???
KRZY: ???
bmin11: ???
LadySuburu: ???

the hard stance will be: roleclaim or be lynched

oh and for full disclosure I haven't read this thread at all~

I guess I'll start... roleclaim: Danmaku Dodger

My three games were Touhou 6, 7, and 8 (EoSD, PCB, and IN). I got Touhou 6 (Embodiment of Scarlet Devil). Apparently, I made it through EoSD with a bomb left, so when anyone tries to kill me during the night, I'll automatically deathbomb and save myself from all kill attempts on me that night.

Two: Vigilante
Rantai: Redirector
Lybydose: Survivor
Mashley: Cop
pieguy1372: Bomb
Wojjan: Roleblocker
LunaticMara: ???
fishie: ???
Lilac: ???
foulcoon: ???
akrolsmir: ???
tastelikecoke: ???
KRZY: ???
bmin11: ???
LadySuburu: ???

unvote, vote: akrolsmir for now

he lurked twice and left so you might want to vote for him too until he claims

or forever since he won't and is mafia

what about you bmin

another hit and run

I don't know what this Mass Claim can bring us to, but atleast it would spice up the game (I was on tl;dr mood most of the time)

Role Claim: Time Manipulator. Hi, my name is Tim from the game Braid. I can Manipulate the time so we can head back to the previous day (ex: activated on N3 -> back to D2). I win with town as a townie side.

FoS Wojjan because I would imagine I would be a threat to your Time Factory.

Two: Vigilante
Rantai: Redirector
Lybydose: Survivor
Mashley: Cop
pieguy1372: Bomb
Wojjan: Roleblocker
bmin11: Time Manipulator
LunaticMara: ???
fishie: ???
Lilac: ???
foulcoon: ???
akrolsmir: ???
tastelikecoke: ???
KRZY: ???
LadySuburu: ???

8 left

... I read this, and went to my inbox so that I could quote my rolename and paraphrase the flavor.

Anyways, Post-Apocalyptic Arms Enthusiast. Backfire had Fallout as his number one choice. Anyways, living after nuclear war, I have a collection of guns that I'll use to ensure my own survival. I win with town, but I get suspicious of anyone who approaches me and shoot them first. Simply put, paranoid gun owner.

I think we should lynch Lybydose, given that survivor would be a safe claim for Mafia, we don't lose much if he was telling the truth, and it'll help confirm Mashley's sanity either way so we know what to do with Rantai and Wojjan.

wrong, lynching lybydose is a mafia suggestion

Two: Vigilante
Rantai: Redirector
Lybydose: Survivor
Mashley: Cop
pieguy1372: Bomb
Wojjan: Roleblocker
bmin11: Time Manipulator
akrolsmir: Paranoid Gun Owner
LunaticMara: ???
fishie: ???
Lilac: ???
foulcoon: ???
tastelikecoke: ???
KRZY: ???
LadySuburu: ???

7 left

Two wrote:

wrong, lynching lybydose is a mafia suggestion

Do enlighten me...?

not now

bmin11 wrote:

Role Claim: Time Manipulator. Hi, my name is Tim from the game Braid. I can Manipulate the time so we can head back to the previous day (ex: activated on N3 -> back to D2). I win with town as a townie side.

wait what how is this anything other than the most overpowered role ever (except maybe Cultafia)

Alright, I just woke up.

The game that I chose was Frogger.
Role Claim: Obstacle Dodger.
Should be quite self-explanatory.

KRZY claimed to be a team recruiter earlier in the game.

Right, because "obstacle dodger" is completely self-explanatory. We now know exactly what you are capable of doing. Thanks.

fishie wrote:

Alright, I just woke up.

The game that I chose was Frogger.
Role Claim: Obstacle Dodger.
Should be quite self-explanatory.

explain

I can "dodge" possible night actions targeted to me by hopping on other players.

So you're a hider? Do you die if you hide behind (hop on) mafia?

this is a hider btw: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hider

Two: Vigilante
Rantai: Redirector
Lybydose: Survivor
Mashley: Cop
pieguy1372: Bomb
Wojjan: Roleblocker
bmin11: Time Manipulator
akrolsmir: Paranoid Gun Owner
fishie: Hider
LunaticMara: ???
Lilac: ???
foulcoon: ???
tastelikecoke: ???
KRZY: ???
LadySuburu: ???

unvote, vote Lilac

6 left

I don't die if I target a mafia, I think.
But the night actions targeted at the player who I hopped on apply to me too.

Two: Vigilante
Rantai: Redirector
Lybydose: Survivor
Mashley: Cop
pieguy1372: Bomb
Wojjan: Roleblocker
bmin11: Time Manipulator
akrolsmir: Paranoid Gun Owner
fishie: Hider
KRZY: Neighborizer
LunaticMara: ???
Lilac: ???
foulcoon: ???
tastelikecoke: ???
LadySuburu: ???

5 left*

Clarifying that I cannot target another player if I have targeted a player and earned chatting privileges with him on a previous night. I can only target another player again when my target dies.

Clearing some stuff up:

KRZY is weak, for sure. Also, I'm not sure if he's a full neighborizer, or he can just talk with one person per day, but I read his claim as the latter. Ninja'd.

pieguy didn't claim he was a bomb, but that he had a bomb. He said that it protected him from one nk, much like a touhou bomb would (I think, I've never actually played) so I read that as one-shot bulletproof.

Mashley's cop is obviously of unknown sanity.

Wojjan's roleblock is one-shot IIRC.

LunaticMara, Lilac, foulcoon, tastelikecoke, LadySuburu

what are your roles

What is my role indeed?

I'd like to hold off on this until the next day. Sorry about that, I promise I'll tell though! ^_^

vote for lilac

Solely because I still want my conditional power to hold on until tomorrow.

yes, I don't care if your ability is to protect everyone from nightkills

your ability isn't worth not claiming

Vote Two
I am loving how quickly everyone decides that because one person wants you to roleclaim you automatically must.

this is a clear path to town victory

anyone standing in the way is a complete moron or is mafia

Don't even try that shit again.

you mean like in werewolf?

it actually was a 100% town win until I got modkilled

there is no downside to a massclaim with this many people alive unless there's a role which targets certain other roles to win over both factions (which is terrible)

it's real tempting to just lynch you mashley but I'm going to stick to winning thanks

also if anyone isn't going to be available or might not be available before the day ends (less than 24 hours) you should vote for wojjan now

since people are going to be annoying and ask why, I'll waste my time explaining it

1. bmin is a time reverser

2. wojjan is a roleblocker

3. wojjan was named as guilty

4. 2+2=vote for wojjan

VOTE COUNT:
Mashley (4) - Wojjan, Rantai, KRZY, tastelikecoke
Rantai (3) - fishie, pieguy1372, akrolsmir
Lilac (1) - Two
Two (1) - Mashley

Not Voting (6) - LunaticMara, Lilac, foulcoon, bmin11, LadySuburu, Lybydose
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DEADLINE IS IN AROUND 17 HOURS

bmin11 wrote:

I don't know what this Mass Claim can bring us to, but atleast it would spice up the game (I was on tl;dr mood most of the time)

Role Claim: Time Manipulator. Hi, my name is Tim from the game Braid. I can Manipulate the time so we can head back to the previous day (ex: activated on N3 -> back to D2). I win with town as a townie side.

FoS Wojjan because I would imagine I would be a threat to your Time Factory.

omg let me lol for a second

I was told that Tim is around but I don't know who it is. I win with town but only if he is dead so that makes me kinda townie lyncher? But not really because he just has to be dead.

I also have a oneshot kill that has to target you or it kills me instead for the occasion.

didn't confuse jack would you really think I was that shabby.

bmin11 wrote:

I don't know what this Mass Claim can bring us to, but atleast it would spice up the game (I was on tl;dr mood most of the time)

Role Claim: Time Manipulator. Hi, my name is Tim from the game Braid. I can Manipulate the time so we can head back to the previous day (ex: activated on N3 -> back to D2). I win with town as a townie side.

FoS Wojjan because I would imagine I would be a threat to your Time Factory.

Seriously? If when you reverse time the people who died/were lynched came back to life, couldn't you have used it to bring Swift back? Just wondering.

Well what do you know. NoHItter just sent me a PM that my example was wrong. If I use my action on N3, we will be back to D3. This is so useless I now ._. and my action is a one-shot ability for obvious reason.

foulcoon wrote:

Seriously? If when you reverse time the people who died/were lynched came back to life, couldn't you have used it to bring Swift back? Just wondering.

I was confused with my ability during that time. My first thought was "N3 -> D3", but after talking with NoHItter now I thought it's "N3 -> D2". Unfortunately, NoHItter corrected me again after I roleclaimed. Now I fully understand that it's "N3 -> D3".

o.o that practically confirms bmin11 as town because there would be no other reason to not reveal roles until the next day.

He could be lying, but that's the only reason I can think for putting something like that when no one does normally.

pieguy1372 wrote:

o.o that practically confirms bmin11 as town because there would be no other reason to not reveal roles until the next day.

I don't think he used his role anyways, considering we would be back on D2 now with our cop still alive. Saying this makes look like you're grasping, and also makes you and bmin both look either stupid or suspicious.

I understand I look stupid and suspicious (heck, even I would vote me if I was you guys), but it really was a confusion between me and NoHItter. And yes, I'll say this again. I didn't use my ability on N2 because I thought we would be back to D2 at the moment.

We would be back to D2, thats how it works, right?

So basically, as I understand it bmin's role undoes one lynch.

foulcoon, any particular reason you're not claiming, yourself?

bmin I'm going to kill you tonight and get my win. Reroll the night and prove you being town.

Wojjan wrote:

bmin I'm going to kill you tonight and get my win. Reroll the night and prove you being town.

Surely if your role is one shot then if he rolls back he would still be alive and you would lose?

Mashley wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

bmin I'm going to kill you tonight and get my win. Reroll the night and prove you being town.

Surely if your role is one shot then if he rolls back he would still be alive and you would lose?

I'm pretty sure, yeah. Maf'll probably be nice enough to kill a confirmed townie either way though.

I'll only use my ability if you guys want more time for this lynch.

@Wojjan
My action cannot denie your NK. So ya, my role is going to be revealed and that should be enough to confirm me town. I'll only use my action if people wants more time to discuss for this Mashley vs Rantai + Wojjan.

And by the way, If I ever going to use my ability, please don't kill me Wojjan. You'll end up killing a confirmed townie for mafia.

Ignore my previous post, it doesn't matter because Wojjan is mafia anyway.

bmin11 wrote:

And by the way, If I ever going to use my ability, please don't kill me Wojjan. You'll end up killing a confirmed townie for mafia.

I kinda have to to win this game

Wojjan wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

And by the way, If I ever going to use my ability, please don't kill me Wojjan. You'll end up killing a confirmed townie for mafia.

I kinda have to to win this game

Well do that later when we are for sure to win this game. Just not now.

let's focus on lynching wojjan please

Actually, ya good point. I don't see how a lyncher with townie for a lynchee is a pro-town role.

Vote: Wojjan

so why did mashley not just vote for wojjan when he was lurking a minute ago

and why hasn't he been voting for wojjan since the beginning if he got guilty

Two wrote:

so why did mashley not just vote for wojjan when he was lurking a minute ago

and why hasn't he been voting for wojjan since the beginning if he got guilty

I think he's been on me since the start actually.

actually he hasn't

Lynching Wojjan saves bmin from dying, since Wojjan would probably just use his kill ability the first chance he has.

vote: Wojjan

Only thing is, it isn't really clear whether a "town-aligned person who has to kill another town-aligned person" would come up as guilty or not guilty from a sane cop, so the lynch doesn't really do anything to determine Mashley's situation.

btw deadline is about 7 hours

foulcoon wrote:

We would be back to D2, thats how it works, right?

Sorry for the late respond. If I use my ability this night (N3), we will be back to the start of D3 (which is today.)

Unvote, vote Wojjan

I'm actually going to target Mashley tonight. With the roleblocker gone, all I have to worry about is probably the redirector, who is Rantai. If I turn up dead, hopefully NoHitter provides enough info to make sense of who is mafia and who is not.

foulcoon wrote:

I don't think he used his role anyways, considering we would be back on D2 now with our cop still alive. Saying this makes look like you're grasping, and also makes you and bmin both look either stupid or suspicious.

No, I think you have the wrong idea about how his role works. The idea behind not revealing it is so that we don't have any living players with confirmed roles (because by the time it's revealed it's too late)

unvote, vote Wojjan

if I die tonight, don't stop hounding the people who didn't roleclaim

foulcoon, for example, posted multiple times and completely ignored it

if you die tonight i'll eat my own parents

Wait so now Wojjan is a lyncher in addition to being a one-shot vig and a one-shot roleblocker?

Unvote, vote: Wojjan

VOTE COUNT:
Wojjan (7) - Two, bmin11, Lybydose, KRZY, pieguy1372, akrolsmir, Rantai
Mashley (2) - Wojjan, tastelikecoke
Rantai (1) - fishie
Two (1) - Mashley

Not Voting (4) - LunaticMara, Lilac, foulcoon, LadySuburu
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DEADLINE IS IN AROUND 2 HOURS

VOTE COUNT:
Wojjan (7) - Two, bmin11, Lybydose, KRZY, pieguy1372, akrolsmir, Rantai
Mashley (2) - Wojjan, tastelikecoke
Rantai (1) - fishie
Two (1) - Mashley

Not Voting (4) - LunaticMara, Lilac, foulcoon, LadySuburu
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"Sir! Almost everybody claimed today." said Dr. Hitter's aide.
"What? And it's only the third day?" replied Dr. Hitter.

"Plus they're going to lynch Wojjan today!"
"I have a bad feeling about this massclaim..."

Dr. Hitter continued to make final adjustments to his machine.
Wojjan was subsequently shot in the head by the mob.

Wojjan has been lynched. Alignment will be revealed the next day.

ALL ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 48 HOURS TIME.

So I'm back early. All actions have been sent in.

Dr. Hitter was taking a break from his work. The machine was finally finished, and frankly he needed a break.
He opened the door towards the balcony and seated there. The fog still hadn't lifted.

He opened the filecase he brought with him to reveal a folder labelled Wojjan. He opened it and read.
"Hmm... Apparently, Wojjan was Mafia after all.", Dr. Hitter said as he tossed the file away.
Wojjan - Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - Shadow Realm Master - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched Day 3

On his way back, Dr. Hitter noticed a corpse on the hallway. Upon nearing it, he noticed it was KRZY's corpse.
There was a notebook in KRZY's pocket detailing his efforts to recruit people.
KRZY - Pro Evolution Soccer - Team Recruiter - Neighborizer - Killed Night 3

Dr. Hitter returned to sleep...
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Somewhere else...
"You! You were the ones behind those mysterious killings!"
"Oh come on. Wasn't it obvious?"

"I sure wish it was. Then I would have killed you sooner, but I've narrowed you down now!"
"So you wish to fight then? Fine. Let it be. You will lose!"

"You're weak! You have no chance against me! Your social links are still too low!"
"Guh... Impossible! If I die inside this world..."

The body of Lilac was seen at the top of a tree the next morning.
Lilac - ??? - ??? - ??? - Killed Night 3
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IT IS NOW DAY 4.
DEADLINE IS IN SEVEN DAYS.
WITH 12 ALIVE, IT TAKES 7 TO LYNCH.

Mashley results?