I only heard about this new UK law being passed after visiting a bittorrent site a couple of days ago, and the DEA 2010 was mentioned on the front page of the site. No members of my family had even heard about the DEA 2010, even though they frequently watch the news, read newspapers, and read teletext, etc, so I'm not sure how many osu! members in the UK currently know about the new law, since I've done a search on the osu! forum and no one is talking about it. Since osu! contains alot of copyrighted content in the form of beatmaps (audio, video and images), skins, and some copyrighted avatar/sig images on the forum, etc, as of June 12 this year, this will effectively make the osu! website in it's current form, illegal to everyone in the UK.

To try and keep this post short, I will briefly mention some of the main problems this new law will cause to osu! members in the UK. If you want to know more about the Digital Economy Act 2010, then I suggest visiting the links I have added to the bottom of this post.

1) As from June 12 of this year, it will be illegal for anyone in the UK to visit ANY website that contains copyrighted material which you have not payed to view/access, this includes all copyrighted videos, music, images, etc. This means it will be illegal for people in the UK to visit sites like osu!, YouTube, and possibly even search engines such as Google could be blocked. There are rumours across the internet that this new law could force YouTube offline, due to people frequently posting copyrighted material on there, both purposely and accidentally (visit 2nd link below for details).
2) There will be a three strike rule, and this basically means that if you, or any other members of your household get caught viewing or downloading copyright material which you have not payed for, and this happens three times, you and all members of your household could be possibly banned from the internet for life.
3) This new law could possibly make open WIFI illegal, or at the very least, make open WIFI too dangerous to share with the general public because the owners of the connection could be prosecuted if the connection is used to view any copyrighted material that hasn't been payed for. So this could force alot of internet cafe's to close down because it would be too risky for them.

4) Since this new law will cost ISPs up to £500 million to implement, it could end up resulting with a massive increase in broadband prices in the UK.
5) WIFI hacking/stealing will most likely become a widespread problem in the UK, due to people being banned from the internet, or not wanting to risk downloading illegal content on their own internet connections for the risk of being banned for life, etc.
6) You could be forced to continue to pay for your internet connection, even if your ISP bans you from accessing the internet, due to 12 month contracts, etc.
7) There could be upto a £50,000 fine, and possible jail time for the worst offenders.
8) Internet radio such as Shoutcast on Winamp might be blocked or forced offline.

h**p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Act_2010
h**p://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-03/04/youtube-under-threat-from-proposed-uk-copyright-bill?page=all
h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezxe3idN5pU
h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFhD5MwzBs&feature=PlayList&p=AD4D247C2525AF71&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=6
h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwgWJnWDyJI
h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imnipgLXLJo
h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4S4siQAfY4
h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJwqeZK9qyM
h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDU-2RGcJKQ
h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUiFdUsQv7Y

All hail Britannia.

lolol, good luck with that...

Realistically, they're never going to be able to enforce this even if they do somehow corral the ISPs into implementing it.

A new government will come in and this will just sort of get brushed under the carpet.

Wow this law is retarded

They can't enforce it, and making open WiFi illegal is slightly ridiculous, since like every other cafe has an unprotected network which is really useful :/

w/e

Ephemeral wrote:

Realistically, they're never going to be able to enforce this even if they do somehow corral the ISPs into implementing it.

adamskii_uk wrote:

4) Since this new law will cost ISPs up to £500 million to implement, it could end up resulting with a massive increase in broadband prices in the UK.

I've heard rumours on the internet that Pentagon style anti-terrorism technology is going to be installed with all the major ISP's, which will deconstruct encrypted data in real time, and then will be searched for copyrighted content, keywords, etc, and then reconstructed back into it's original form before being sent to the user. That might be what the £500 million will be used for that I mentioned in my previous post, to pay for the technology to be installed. I'm not a hacker or programmer, and I don't work for any ISP's, so I don't know if this is true or not, I have only heard this from other people on the internet. But if it is true, then with this anti-terrorism technology installed, it would be very easy for ISP's to enforce it, since the process would all be automated.

brb moving to japan

Oh fuck, what am I going to do?

adamskii_uk wrote:

I've heard rumours on the internet that Pentagon style anti-terrorism technology..

I stopped reading there.

9) Libraries, Schools and Universities are not exempt from the new laws, they could be fined heavily, or disconnected from the internet too, if the connections are found to be used to illegally download copyrighted material.

h**p://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=3213845
h**p://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/news/digital-economy-bill-threatens-free-public-wifi-in-uk

Ha ha retards with power

adamskii_uk wrote:

9) Libraries, Schools and Universities are not except from the new laws, they could be fined heavily, or disconnected from the internet too, if the connections are found to be used to illegally download copyrighted material.

h**p://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=3213845
h**p://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/news/digital-economy-bill-threatens-free-public-wifi-in-uk

Aren't internet connections from places like school are already filtering?
In my previous school and now in college there is a filter (which is annoying) that blocks everything.. Even google translate is blocked as a ''Proxy Anonymizer"


But I guess it's all just bullshit to scare people.

1) read
2) laugh
3) imagining this happen in Russia
4) laugh harder

adamskii_uk wrote:

...and possibly even search engines such as Google could be blocked. There are rumours across the internet that this new law could force YouTube offline, due to people frequently posting copyrighted material on there, both purposely and accidentally.

adamskii_uk wrote:

>implying Google wouldn't just bribe the shit out of the British government

adamskii_uk wrote:

I've heard rumours on the internet that Pentagon style anti-terrorism technology is going to be installed with all the major ISP's, which will deconstruct encrypted data in real time, and then will be searched for copyrighted content, keywords, etc, and then reconstructed back into it's original form before being sent to the user.

Also, England prevails.

Loginer, you can take the piss out of me if you like, that's fine, I'm used to it by now on here. Everything I have mentioned in this thread I have paraphrased from other sources, so it's not my fault if some of the information is incorrect. I'm not an expert in programming and encryption so I don't know if it's possible for the Government to decrypt data in real time, or not. There's alot of technology that the Government keeps classified, so I believe it may be possible to do it, at least at a very basic level.

Anyway, laughing aside. This still doesn't alter the fact that this law is real, and on June 12, osu! members in the UK will be breaking the law by visiting this website.

Everyone who knows what they're doing will be able to easily bypass any of this anyways.

Proxy?

Hey guys Torrenting is illegal I guess we can't torrent anymore.

Those Laws are too harsh, I can't even imagine what will happen after it be implemented on 12 July
if this happens in Indonesia, I'd probably move to another country without haste

Email the government copyrighted content.

It'll never reach Poland.

adamskii_uk wrote:

There's alot of technology that the Government keeps classified, so I believe it may be possible to do it, at least at a very basic level.

Currently, there are no known and unpatched TLS exploits. Even if the government knew about one, they'd have to share knowledge about the existence of it with every ISP in the UK.

Even if they manage to somehow keep it secret and unnoticed for more than a few hours (which is highly unlikely; even if no one leaks any info about it, a sudden increase in latency for everyone in the entire country would be quite obvious), Xbox-huge warning flags would be raised as soon as they start banning people who's only been pirating things with encrypted connections. The exploit would become public knowledge within a day, and a patch would be released for most browsers within hours.

Sure, they could try to make TLS illegal, but that would put everyone who uses online banking (i.e. 99% of the population) at a huge risk. The general public may be sheep, but if they knew that their government prioritise foreign copyright holders' wallets above their own security, things would get really bad really quickly. Especially when you consider the fact that this law was passed in the first place without a democratic vote.

adamskii_uk wrote:

Anyway, laughing aside. This still doesn't alter the fact that this law is real, and on June 12, osu! members in the UK will be breaking the law by visiting this website.

Beatmaps are already stored on a separate server, AFAIK. If even linking to copyrighted material counts, peppy could always bypass this by redirecting British visitors to a version of the site where the Beatmaps section is greyed out. Users who want to download beatmaps would be advised to manually go to another subdomain (e.g. osu2.ppy.sh), where they'd be able to download beatmaps at their own risk.

neo@lex wrote:

brb moving to japan

Downloading illegal content is now illegal in Japan. You no longer have to distribute it to be prosecuted. No, Japan will not answer all your needs, sorry.

Natteke desu wrote:

Aren't internet connections from places like school are already filtering?

Technically yes, but I have the address for unfiltered access.

peppy wrote:

neo@lex wrote:

brb moving to japan

Downloading illegal content is now illegal in Japan. You no longer have to distribute it to be prosecuted. No, Japan will not answer all your needs, sorry.

Illegal content has always been illegal. Do you mean prosecuted by the normal law enforcement and government rather than the copyright holders? Because copyright holders can persecute you in nearly any part of the world if you're caught infringing their product.
And I think Neo was going for the "being able to still browse sites like osu! and 4chan" thing.

Ok guys lets move to USA.

CDFA wrote:

Ok guys lets move to USA.

Will you pay for a ticket / food / apartaments / studies? If so then I'm going right now!

Btw, srsly. osu! is actually very vulnerable to the copyright law, no just in UK, but across the world...

Come to Poland. There are no retarded laws around besides hazard law.
Though, It's not cheap to live here.
Also, good luck learning Polish. It's much worse than Korean.

Rokodo wrote:

Natteke desu wrote:

Aren't internet connections from places like school are already filtering?

Technically yes, but I have the address for unfiltered access.

I have unfiltered access because I'm managing network @ my school.

BagnoGamer wrote:

I have unfiltered access because I'm managing network @ my school.

I was talking about Brittish schools ;_;
All additional .exe files are blocked and most features of windows are disabled (I can play quake and osu from the usb though).

Natteke desu wrote:

BagnoGamer wrote:

I have unfiltered access because I'm managing network @ my school.

I was talking about Brittish schools ;_;
All additional .exe files are blocked and most features of windows are disabled (I can play quake and osu from the usb though).

Same goes for Poland. Believe me, there's no difference between British and Polish schools.
You can't even use HDD, there's only one network drive - and yet, you can use it only if you have permission.
(For saving some shitty Word documents for example)

Most schools are using this to filter websites etc.
http://www.opiekunucznia.pl/

Some of them use this
http://www.beniamin.pl/

It's all the same thing in my eyes, because it works the same, and it's seriously easy to crack.

Opiekun /u

don't worry about this law the french made a similar law which got overruled by the EU because internet access is a fundamental part of free speech

Wait...so even putting something up on Youtube even when you say something like "Copyright goes to its rightful owners" or "This was not created by me" or something like that is still considered copyright infringement?

I feel bad for the people in the UK. I wonder will any other country/nation adopt this policy?

I dunno. I think that this'll end up like torrenting (illegal, but prosecutions for it are few and far between)

If this isn't the case though on June 12...shit :/

Pokebis wrote:

Illegal content has always been illegal. Do you mean prosecuted by the normal law enforcement and government rather than the copyright holders? Because copyright holders can persecute you in nearly any part of the world if you're caught infringing their product.
And I think Neo was going for the "being able to still browse sites like osu! and 4chan" thing.

As in the actual act of downloading can see you facing charges (government).

pjiang621111 wrote:

Wait...so even putting something up on Youtube even when you say something like "Copyright goes to its rightful owners" or "This was not created by me" or something like that is still considered copyright infringement?

That has always been copyright infringement. Distributing something that isn't yours to distribute is always illegal, and while properly crediting it is nice because it means you're not a plagiarist, you're still quite liable to have it shut down by the media corporation that owns it.

Which does really suck in cases of creative derivative works such as user-based video games like this one, and also stuff like custom music videos on youtube, so hopefully eventually society will get over themselves and realize that people who want to steal stuff will always steal stuff and that punishing the wrong people won't accomplish anything... but anyway I lost my train of thought.

For those of you who haven't seen this yet. The image below shows how many MP's actually bothered to turn up at the House Of Commons when the Digital Economy Bill was debated and voted for. As you can see by the image, a large percentage of the MP's care about this issue very much.

adamskii_uk wrote:

For those of you who haven't seen this yet. The image below shows how many MP's actually bothered to turn up at the House Of Commons when the Digital Economy Bill was debated and voted for. As you can see by the image, a large percentage of the MP's care about this issue very much.

Lulz

Apparently Lib Dems will repeal it if they win. Too bad I missed voting registration.

peppybis: I meant in order to buy shit I can only download illegally from the UK. If I wanted to pirate shit I'd move to Spain or China.

or Russia : D

Or Poland.

I'm not interested in third-world countries.

neo@lex wrote:

I'm not interested in third-world countries.

Tch, UK is lower than Poland. ;x (Ranking)

neo@lex wrote:

I'm not interested in third-world countries.

Awww... I wanted to suggest Mexico. Here nobody cares if you're downloading 10 GB of illegal stuff. Oh, well...

Btw, what happened with fair use? I know this this avaliable only in the US, but all page established on that country can be subject to this.

Well. This law could be fair, but isn't the goverment taking the things too hard?

At least we have alternatives like Newgrounds, Last.fm or Spotify, I think...

adamskii_uk wrote:

For those of you who haven't seen this yet. The image below shows how many MP's actually bothered to turn up at the House Of Commons when the Digital Economy Bill was debated and voted for. As you can see by the image, a large percentage of the MP's care about this issue very much.

Trying to imitate us hu



except your law is even worse than hadopi

neo@lex wrote:

I'm not interested in third-world countries.

Russia isn't third-world. Though I hate it enough to agree that it can be called so.

Dark times, dark times. People are not allowed to this, people are not allowed to do that.
The powerful people are abusing their power, and it needs to change.

So let's overthrow the powerful people already. Ohwait.

This is some of the stupidest shit i have read in a long time.

Enjoy trying to remain in power, whoever the UK prime minister is.

uhh..
It came into effect already.
Nothing happened.
But we should be averaging 100mb/s internet by 2011.

Open Wifi is favoured by the government.
Prices are going down.
Wifi security is the responsibility of the owner.
Nothing at all is going to be blocked. If a user constantly uses a specific website to infringe copyright, the site will be blocked for them only if the ISP thinks it'll make a difference, and if it keeps happening they could be blocked from the internet full stop. This only really applies to mass-uploading and public piracy (ie downloading a shitton of ROMs and selling them to stupid people).

neo@lex wrote:

uhh..
It came into effect already.
Nothing happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Act_2010

The Digital Economy Act 2010 (c. 24)[1][2][3] is a law enacted by the Parliament of the United Kingdom regulating digital media. It received the Royal Assent on April 12, 2010, and will enter into force on June 12, 2010

Well, according to wikipedia the law comes into effect on June 12, four days from now. So this is probably why nothing has happened yet. This law will most likely fail, however, don't expect the ISP's to go easy on people who download illegal stuff, because they will get fined £250,000 for refusing to cooperate and issue warnings to people, etc.