This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 4:36:37 PM

Artist: Xi-on
Title: Doll Judgement ~ The Girl who Played with People's Shapes
Source: Touhou
Tags: alice margatroid shanghai hourai perfect cherry blossom Sallad4Ever
BPM: 173
Filesize: 8528kb
Play Time: 03:07
Difficulties Available:

1. Goliath Doll (4.85 stars, 393 notes)
2. Hourai Doll (3.62 stars, 262 notes)
3. Sallad's Titania Doll (4.97 stars, 365 notes)
4. Shanghai Doll (1.93 stars, 167 notes)

Download: Xi-on - Doll Judgement ~ The Girl who Played with People's Shapes
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Aliceee~

First Touhou Beatmap, may need some Timing Help.
Thanks thekillerhjkhjk and Garven for the timing :3

Done Difficulties:
Easy - Done
Normal - Done
Hard - Guest Diff by Sallad4ever, Done
Lunatic - Done

Mods Done:
thekillerhjkhjk
Colin Hou
Sallad4Ever
Astom
Sakura301
Garven
Vikon
thepianist
[DBF]
SadKangaroo
tmokb93
kino77
Pokie
Clare

Update:
Done some stuff, like the spinner stuff, and section-pass and fail.
Moved to Pending Beatmaps
Revamped whole Goliath Doll diff and the diff names
Tweaked the timing points and added a new offset
Respaced Hourai Doll

[normal]

00:24:992 (5,6) - this part doesnt go well with the music... i think you should move the (5) to the previous red tick (and resnap distance of course)
02:24:300 (1,2) - not a very good antijump. i suggest spacing it correctly
02:27:248 (3,4) - ^
03:01:238 (3) - this slider sounds better if its extended to the next blue tick

[easy]

01:54:993 (3) - make this slider more... proportional (i think thats the word im looking for)
02:17:884 (4,1) - insert break between these two notes


star!



EDIT: heres teh fixed slider

Download: Xi-on - Doll Judgement ~ The Girl who Played with People's Shapes (rayxdgreatx) [Easy].osu

Overall;
It concerns me that all difficulties have the same slider speed. Lunatic should be faster, but normal is up to you.

Easy;
Nothing here.

Normal;
00:10:425 (3) - To be right, this should stack with the 1.

Lunatic;
Some of this spacing is a little erratic, compare
00:09:385 (2,3,4,5,6) - this spacing to
00:12:679 (2,3,4,5) - this spacing
and you'll see they're very different. Go turn on grid snap 3 and go over it, OK?

Akhirnya selesai juga
Namanya terserah kamu

Download: Sallad's Hourai.rar
Tolong di full submit soalnya wa pake custom hitsound

To modders please don't trust the star rating, this is hard diff cause it don't have any jumps maybe
Thanks

EDIT: oh iya biar wa aja yg update diffnya

makasih ya sallad! :3

Edit: Sisan ganti nama diff2nya ae lah...

Update kiai ama beberapa pattern
Download: Xi-on - Doll Judgement ~ The Girl who Played with People's Shapes (rayxdgreatx) [Sallad's Titania Doll].osu

ama mod dikit
Checking song folder.....
- Delete osb file, karena kamu g bikin SB makana ini g perlu
- Ada 2 mp3. Delete Touhou - Xi-on - Ningyou Saiban Hito no Katachi Moteasobishi Shoujo.mp3 soalnya ga di pake
- Ada 7 osu file. Hapus easy, normal, ama sallad hourai soalnya udah ada yg sama
- Ukuran combo burst terlalu besar max kalo ga salah 512x767

Setelah semua di ubah langsung di full submit lagi
Oh ama kalo bisa Circle size, HP, ama OD di Goliath doll kurangin 1

Baiklah good luck

osbnya tuh anehhh bgt...
abis di delete, nggak pencet "design" blas tpi tiba2 keluar sendiri osbnya

terus, udah di full upload. (goliath doll dah diturunin diffnya)
makasih lagi ya sallad!

[General]:

1. add Sallad4ever to all the diffs.
2. I'm afraid comboburst.png can't have a width larger than 500 pixels.
3. remove touhou from the tags.

[Shanghai Doll]:

1. at 00:53:952, 02:23:087 the bpm/offset doesn't change, why use these red lines? (this also happens in other diffs)
2. others are fine.

[Hourai Doll]:

1. 00:10:425 (3) - spacing
2. HP+2 OA+1

[Goliath Doll]:

1. 00:09:905 (5,6) - spacing
2. 00:22:911 (1,2,3) - ^
3. ......many issues like above exists, use grid level 3 or turn off the grid snap.
4. 02:05:051 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this pard doesn't follow the guitar very well.

[Sallad's Titania Doll]:

1. 02:39:041 (3) - this slider is almost covered by spinner-osu.png orz. (suggest making it translucentor just remove)
2. then I can only find nazi bugs like '00:11:466 (4,5,6) - spacing' >///< (this really exists in some places, so check the whole diffs and do some changes)

star and sorry for my poor english ;)

okay, all fixed.


...except some of the parts in Goliath Doll.

Good map and nice song
Can't find a thing...
Have a cookie~*

[general]
In blue suggestions, In red maybe important
-Xi-on - Doll Judgement ~ The Girl who Played with People's Shapes (rayxdgreatx).osu delete this
-BPM 173 (no 172,996)
-Offset 6.489, maybe someone can give u something better.
-Uhm why 3 timing points with the same BPM?

fixed Cholin Hou mod those spacing cause by the grid
Thanks for noticing

and also fixed the sliders and timing points
Download: Xi-on - Doll Judgement ~ The Girl who Played with People's Shapes (rayxdgreatx) [Sallad's Titania Doll].osu

[General]
Delete .osb and full submit
02:22:913 - Kiai should be starting at a long white tick (make sure that your offset is correct, it would appear that your offset is half a beat behind, try setting it to the red tick next to where it's starting?)

[Shanghai Doll]
00:14:067 (3) - Move to 1 tick back (that means to the red one behind)
00:16:841 (3) - Move to 1 tick back (that means to the red one behind)
00:18:922 (2) - Split into a note at this position, slider at: 00:19:443 with repeat at: 00:19:789 and ending at: 00:20:136 then remove: 00:20:310 (3)
00:21:697 (2) - Split into a note at this position then a either slider going from: 00:22:221 to 00:22:564 or 2 notes
00:25:165 (5) - Move 1 tick behind (that means the red one)
00:30:368 (3) - Awkward slider, i think notes at 00:30:541 and 00:30:888 sound better.
00:58:807 (1,2,3) - Out of bounds
01:41:814 (2) - Move 1 tick behind
01:41:987 (x) - Add a note
01:44:589 (2) - Move 1 tick behind
01:44:762 (x) - Add a note
01:47:363 (5) - Move 1 tick behind
01:47:537 (x) - Add a note
02:34:879 (2,4) - Move 1 tick closer to (3) (3 note 1/2 streams arent really any hard for an Easy)
02:44:243 (2,3,4) - Delete this and make a slider from: 02:44:070 to: 02:45:110
03:00:891 (1,2,3) - Sounds weird, although im not sure why, you may want to check

[Hourai Doll]
01:54:993 (1) - Awkward Spinner (You can fit many notes in here)
02:27:942 (4,1) - Switch new combo
02:36:786 (1,2) - Switch new combo
03:04:706 (1) - This spinner sounds weird... although i dont know why

[Goliath Doll]
00:25:512 (6) - Out of bounds
00:35:050 (3) - Out of bounds
00:37:478 (3) - Out of bounds (However this one is a bit more passable)

[Sallad's Titania Doll]
Looks fine

Decide if you wanna fix or ignore, drop me a forum PM for a recheck after and then i'll decide if i'll give the star or not.

now THAT's a mod.
Kudosu to you Sakura.

fixed all of it, except the "Move 1 tick behind, Add a note" parts in Shanghai Doll
(not on the beginning though)

Aiya, so long. Sorry if this ends up being a little half-assed. :P

[General]
Oh nice, there's a section in this song that goes into essentially 7/4 time. Ah well, it just puts the accent on the metronome off is all.
Try offset 6,461 and see how that feels.
In general there's a lot of really minor misalignments due to the use of Grid level 2. When you're trying to purposefully line up a beat with the end of a slider, for example, turn grid snap off while doing so.
You can use .jpg as a file format for the background images. It'd reduce the file size considerably.
I thought Shangai was Alice's most powerful doll... seeing her used as the easy difficulty... ah well.
Your spinner center dot seems a little off. It has the incorrectly-loaded-washing-machine effect and wharbles around while you spin with reckless abandon.

[Shanghai Doll]
In general, there are a lot of rhythms used that I would be iffy on using due to this being the easiest difficulty.
00:48:750 (1) - Remove whistle on the slider slide.
00:30:541 (3,4) - Maybe raise these two up one grid point.
00:25:189 (6) - Start this slider at 00:25:016 and keep the end point at the same spot as the original.
00:46:346 (4) - Remove whistle on the slider slide.
00:48:774 (1) - ^
01:49:469 (1) - ^ Also, instead of starting the slider with a whistle, use a finish.
01:52:243 (1) - Remove whistle on the slider slide.
02:10:278 (1) - Maybe try to make this turn right on the beat?
02:15:134 (3) - ^
02:17:909 (4) - ^
02:31:955 (2,3,4) - These just don't look very good. Try to configure them so they look less random.
02:37:505 (2) - Spacing. Way too close to the end of the slider.
02:39:065 (3,4) - Turn these two into a slider.
02:42:534 (1) - The end of this slider doesn't go with the music. Maybe have the first part of the slider be a normal hit, and have the last two hits be a single slider.

[Hourai Doll]
00:09:409 (2) - Remove whistle from slider slide.
00:43:918 (1) - ^
00:58:832 (1,2) - Try to set these up more neatly.
01:39:237 (5) - Remove whistle from slider slide.
02:24:325 (1,2) - Maybe try to reconfigure these two sliders so they don't overlap/overlap in a weird spot (mainly looking at the end point of 1).
02:28:660 (3) - Try to aim the end of this slider more towards 4.
02:32:302 (4,5) - Try to lower these two so they don't overlap with where the slider was.
03:01:262 (3) - Extend the end of this slider to 03:01:522.

[Goliath Doll]
I would really recommend you use grid level 3 and check your spacing on everything. With grid level two and notes that close together, everything looks inconsistent.
Maybe reduce hp drain by 1.
Only one tiny break in the entire song. Bleh.
00:46:322 (5,6,7,8) - These don't go with the music at all. :/
00:58:460 (3) - This anti-jump intentional? If not, spacing.
02:26:555 (1,2,3) - These also don't really go with the music. Make 'em long sliders instead of fast repeating ones.

[Sallad's Titania Doll]
Maybe up OD by 1 or 2?
00:32:275 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Argh, you got me. ;_;
01:44:762 (5) - Maybe move this so it's centered over the 3 and 4 before it?

Garven wrote:

[Sallad's Titania Doll]
Maybe up OD by 1 or 2? Hmm..if I increase the OD then the 00:32:275 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - will be very easy to read and beside this is actually a hard diff
00:32:275 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Argh, you got me. ;_;
01:44:762 (5) - Maybe move this so it's centered over the 3 and 4 before it? as much as I want to, but the spacing won't allow it (cause I want to have a note in the upper part)

Thanks for your mod good sir

[General]
Due to Garven's offset change, your timing sections are slightly off, remember to readjust them by the same ms ammount

[Goliath Doll]
01:18:080 (5) - Out of bounds

[Sallad's Titania Doll]
Umm, please remember to use AIMod next time in case you forget theese.... 257 SNAPPING ERRORS XD also why do Sallad's diff have 2 red lines... the others have 1...

Ok, that is all, that shouldnt be too hard to fix, so i can give this Star with no regrets, and now i can move this map to the high attention map section

oh crap, forgot to resnap the notes...

all fixed except the green ticks in Sallad's diff

EDIT: Fixed that too

[General]
The map can be better if you make the slider more rounded and symmetric.
there are too many such sliders in the first 3 diff, I can't point out all of them.

[Shanghai Doll]
00:22:935 (4) new combo?
01:28:486 (2) more rounded?
01:37:850 (5,1,2) spacing?
01:55:018 (3) symmetric?
02:50:857 (2,3) too high, try to pull them back.

[Hourai Doll]
00:22:935 (1,2,3) one grid right (lv2)
00:28:484 (1) symmetric.
00:30:912 (6,1,2,3) 1 grid up (lv2)
00:58:832 (1) 1 grid up ( becare of the spacing)
01:55:018 (1) symmetric..
01:57:619 (3) ^
02:10:278 (1) ^
02:17:215 (3) ugly slider, really.

[Goliath Doll]
becare of spacing..... have you use distance snap when you create this difficulty?
00:19:120 (2,3,4) spacing.
...
seems there are many spacing problems... switch on the [distance snap] button and check all notes.
01:03:513 (3) hard to read.
01:18:081 (3) it hurts the HP bar, pull it back.
03:03:343 (6) symmetric with 03:01:956?

[Sallad's Titania Doll]
01:11:144 (5) not perfectly stack with (4)
01:12:531 (7) ^
02:39:586 (5) ^
02:41:667 (7) ^

star for your effort

Vikon wrote:

[Goliath Doll]
becare of spacing..... have you use distance snap when you create this difficulty?
00:19:120 (2,3,4) spacing.
...
seems there are many spacing problems... switch on the [distance snap] button and check all notes.
01:03:513 (3) hard to read.
01:18:081 (3) it hurts the HP bar, pull it back.
03:03:343 (6) symmetric with 03:01:956?

...srsly, distance snap, i hate you.
(it keeps generating spacing problems >_>)

anyway, all fixed, except Sallad's diff

Well even if I stack it properly, it will make no difference in playing, this cause by the stack leniency
So yah no change

Distance snap the way i think about it, it generates a number to assign the spacing, due to the notes being snapped by the grid this number may vary (let's say 1.22 grids) after 4 1 grid notes, the 5th would have 2 grids distance, that's how i think it works, you shouldnt be disabling grid snapping however, instead you should recheck your distance without distance snapping after distance snapping your combo, check that the number of grids of space is the same throughout it.
At least that's why i think DS causes problems, not sure if i may be correct, just double check stuff after ok? ^^

Random mod. ^^

[Shanghai]
00:25:016 (3,1) - Perhaps line up?
00:43:918 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - This is a 7/8 time signature, but it's not possible to use 7/8 or change time signatures between sections. Oh well...
01:04:381 (1) - Perhaps have each repeat last 3/4 of a beat, and have 4 beats? As with 02:33:516 (1), 02:55:713 (6).
01:55:018 (3) - More symmetrical?

[Hourai]
00:30:565 (5,6) - Line up?
00:48:774 (3) - New combo?
01:28:832 (1) - No new combo, make 2 new combo
01:47:214 (3) - Move left a grid
02:17:214 (3) - Could look better.
02:23:978 (3,4,1) - Too close.

[Goliath]
00:19:467 (4,5) - Line up?
00:28:484 (1) - More symmetrical?
01:02:820 (2,3,4) - Messy
01:23:629 (6) - Move a bit farther from 5

[Titania]
00:31:259 (1) - Perhaps more symmetrical?

Good job ^^

*Star~

[Shanghai Doll]
00:22:935 (1,2) - spacing.
02:10:278 - 02:20:163 - can you remake it? because that boring.
02:32:649 (4) - spacing.
02:35:077 (2,3,4) - that really hard to read for easy..
[Hourai Doll]
00:09:062 (1) - up 2, use grid lvl 3.
00:13:570 (3,4,5) - use grid lvl 3 and repair that moment (spacing, yes).
00:29:698 (2,3) - spacing.
00:33:687 (4,5,6) - right 1, use grid lvl 3.
00:51:201 (1,2) - spacing (just compare at 00:50:855 (4,1) ).
00:52:069 (2,3) - ^
[Goliath Doll]
00:09:582 (3,4,5) - spacing.
00:10:796 (1,2,3) - ^
00:12:703 (2,3,4,5) - ^
00:14:958 (1,2,3,4) - ^
00:16:692 (3) - put up 1, use grid lvl 3.
00:22:935 (1,2) - spacing.
00:24:322 (5,6,1) - ^
00:25:710 (1,2) - ^
00:31:259 (1,2) - spacing? and all errors like that.
01:07:502 (5,6) - so far.. put it right. (i mean you must put notes only on grid border).
[Sallad's Titania Doll]
all fine, but one advice - overall difficulty +2.

i really like song and spinner, but your map have really many little errors about spacing. ╮(╯▽╰)╭ in next time use grid lvl 3.

Star~ and good luck with that.

Fixed (maybe) all spacing problems.

thx for the mods, here some kudosu

Hello rayxdgreatx.

[Shanghai Doll]
00:11:836 (1) - Remove clap from the end of a slider.
00:46:346 (4) - New combo?
00:51:201 (4) - ^
00:58:138 (5) - Remove finish,probably add a clap.
01:09:410 (1) - Move to 01:09:583?
01:28:486 (2) - Continue it to 01:29:353 and delete the circle from here.
01:29:699 (4) - Move to 01:29:526?
01:47:041 (4) - New combo?

[Hourai Doll]
01:55:017 (1) - I don't like this,maybe use the suggestion below?
01:55:018 (1) - Making a slider up to 01:55:538?
01:55:712 (2) - Making a slider up tp 01:56:058?
01:56:232 (3) - Adding a circle?
02:04:555 (3) - Continue to 02:05:076?
02:19:123 (3) - Maybe make a reverse-slider? Notes: 02:19:123,02:19:296,02:19:469
02:19:816 - Adding a circle?

[Goliath Doll]
01:06:288 (4) - End it at 01:07:156?

[Sallad's Titania Doll]
00:20:680 (1) - One grid up and one grip to the left?
01:11:144 (5) - I bet you can allign better.
01:13:052 (8) - Move 2 grid to the right?
02:40:279 (5) - Allign.
02:42:187 (8) - Move 2 grid to the left?

Good luck,star~

done.

except sallad's diff

Fixed the nazi mod

Download: Xi-on - Doll Judgement ~ The Girl who Played with People's Shapes (rayxdgreatx) [Sallad's Titania Doll].osu

Updated Mod's Info:
Mine are all suggestions. You're free to follow or not this mod :3
If I found a beat who must be added, i'll write it.
Remember to check spacing after all modfies :3

[General]
Okay.

[Shanghai Doll]
Set BSD to 1/4, since you used some blue ticks slider.
00:21:027 (1) - Spacing.
00:30:565 (3) - ^.
01:29:526 (4) - ^.
01:45:307 (3) - Offscreen.
02:48:777 (4) - Offscreen.

[Hourai Doll]
Why didn't you mapped it with an higher distance spacing?
Check all map spacing, there are too many spacing errors.

[Golitah Doll]
00:17:039 (4) - 3 grips left.

[Sallad's]
Fine to me.

mmm...ray you don't have to give me kudosu for update

ah... ya, sorry
pas itu kepencet

Sorry for late mod..
Nice map~

[Shanghai Doll]
03:00:048 (4,1) - Spacing?

[Hourai Doll]
02:52:244 (1,2) - 1 grid right?

[Goliath Doll]
00:46:346 (5,6,7,8) - Odd
01:16:346 (1) - This note is under "spinner-osu" when it show up
01:54:844 (1) - Start here 01:55:018 ?
02:05:422 (2) - Remove 1 repeat?

[Sallad's Titania Doll]
Overall Difficulty lv.7?

All good~Star~

weee~ touhou XD

General
- Title : Doll Judgment ~ The Girl Who Played with People's Shapes ?
- BPM 173 > resnap all notes ...
- Spinner's center seems a bit strange while spinning ;_;

Shanghai
I love this BG ~ (same painter as my avatar)
00:43:918 (1) - remove sliderwhistle
00:50:508 (3) - add finish at slider's end o.o
02:42:187 (5) - clap?
02:42:534 (6) - finish?

Hourai
00:11:836 (3) - remove new combo
00:13:224 (4) - new combo?
01:38:370 (1) - new combo?
02:31:088 (2) - one grid up

Goliath
OD-1?
02:05:422 (2) - spacing
02:06:983 (4,5,6,7) - ^

Sallad4ever
Fine o.o haha

Star for you nice work!

Pokie wrote:

weee~ touhou XD

General
- Title : Doll Judgment ~ The Girl Who Played with People's Shapes ?
- BPM 173 > resnap all notes ...
- Spinner's center seems a bit strange while spinning ;_;

Shanghai
I love this BG ~ (same painter as my avatar)
00:43:918 (1) - remove sliderwhistle
00:50:508 (3) - add finish at slider's end o.o
02:42:187 (5) - clap?
02:42:534 (6) - finish?

Hourai
00:11:836 (3) - remove new combo
00:13:224 (4) - new combo?
01:38:370 (1) - new combo?
02:31:088 (2) - one grid up

Goliath
OD-1?
02:05:422 (2) - spacing
02:06:983 (4,5,6,7) - ^

Sallad4ever
Fine o.o haha

Star for you nice work!

awkey, thanks for modding even if it was already 16 SP!

hi~

[Shanghai Doll]
fine.

[Hourai Doll]
02:39:412 - (X) add note?

[Goliath Doll]
fine.

[Sallad's Titania Doll]
00:25:710 (2) - add clap and finish? look like 00:28:484 (1) -


nice map,star!! :3

just putting a star
Nicely done

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