This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Mittwoch, 1. Juli 2009 at 19:01:00

Artist: Konami
Title: Goemon's Great Adventure
Source: Goemon's Great Adventure
Tags: Ganbare Goemon Mystical Ninja N64 Game Marathon Collaboration Collab happy30 -SiN- Al-Azif
BPM: 147,5
Filesize: 15995kb
Play Time: 10:31
Difficulties Available:

1. Dream Castle (4,78 stars, 1604 notes)
2. Edo Castle (4,94 stars, 486 notes)
3. Majin Castle (4,64 stars, 325 notes)
4. Ryugu Castle (4,92 stars, 368 notes)
5. Underworld Castle (4,83 stars, 425 notes)

Download: Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Marathon collaboration based on the videogame Goemon's Great Adventure (N64).
Each of the 5 castles got it's own difficulty and mapper.

Dream Castle is a remix and the full size marathon difficulty.

00:00 - 02:42 [Edo Castle] by Al-Azif
02:42 - 05:02 [Ryugu Castle] by -SiN-
05:02 - 07:44 [Majin Castle] by Dangaard
07:44 - 10:35 [Underworld Castle] by happy30
00:00 - 10:35 [Dream Castle] Marathon


Credits:
happy30: mapping
Al-Azif: mapping
-SiN-: mapping, storyboard text
James: inspiration
RemmyX25: thumbnail
Konami: awesome game and soundtrack

11-01-09. Done

Download: Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure (Dangaard) [Underworld Castle].osu

Last update at 11-01-09 19:05z
- some hitsounds fix
- remove jumps at 1:39 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)

Download: Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure (Dangaard) [Edo Castle].osu

Ryugu Castle Final from me (Thursday, January 15, 2009 02:13 AM)

[attachment=0:5e92f]Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure (Dangaard) [Ryugu Castle].osu[/attachment:5e92f]

wth with the 2nd part.. it's really hard!!
Thanks to Al for the hit templates

To -SiN-
omg. your part is difficult to map, btw i use 1/2 beat to map it

Download: Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure (Dangaard) [Ryugu Castle Mod].osu

Ok guys, thanks for participating in this project.
We finished mapping and the map is now pending.

Waiting for BATs

Wow, this is nice!!


Originality: 10/10
*Yes.

Timing: 9/10
*Good. I have yet to go in greater depth as for as the timing of the song goes.
*Also, use more inheriting for BPM adjustments.

Spacing: 9/10
*A couple of minor inconsistencies, but overall, good. Love some of the jumps and sudden BPM changes.They fit very well, in my opinion.

Difficulty: 10/10
*Good.

Visual Apperance: 10/10
*Love the storyboard.

Sounds: 9/10
*I thought that some of the sound patterns were genius.
*I expected some claps in the soft section of [Ryugu Castle].

Overall Rating: 9.5/10
*Great Beatmap. This makes a great addition to my list of favorites.

Flaws:
[Edo Castle]
Not bad, but some really small details I want to work you with, especially with the deal of mirroring (sliders) and such.
nitpicks:
00:03:36 (6) - Move down1, right1.
00:04:17 (3) - Move left1.
00:07:02 (1,2,3,4,5) - Move all of these notes and the notes following until (and including) 00:19:14 (4) down1.
00:17:94 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Move right1.
00:18:34 (2,3,4) - Try mirroring sliders more (Copy, paste, horizontal flip, placement)
00:20:93 (4) - Move down1.
00:21:52 (3) - Move end slider point up1, left3.
00:25:71 (7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Move right1.
00:27:50 (7) - Better with end point moved left2.
00:27:50 (7,8,9,10) - Move up1.
00:56:76 (3,4,5,1,2,3) - Move right1.
00:58:15 (2) - Move down1, right1.
00:58:35 (3) - Move left2.
00:58:75 (4) - Move left2, up3.
00:59:15 (6) - Move right1.
00:59:55 (2) - This slider looks a lot better with end point moved left1.
01:03:13 (3) - Move left1.
01:05:12 (9,10) - Move left1?
01:06:51 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Move all of these noted and the notes following until (and including) 01:13:48 (1) right1.
01:07:71 (9) - Better with end point move to the left1.
01:18:66 (2) - End slider point move down1, right1.
01:18:66 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Move down1, right1.
01:19:85 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Move down1 more.
01:19:45 (4) - End slider point move left1.
01:27:82 (6) - Move left1.
01:28:01 (1) - Move down1.
01:28:61 (2,4) - Try mirroring sliders.
01:31:40 (2,3,4) - Try mirroring more.
01:32:59 (5) - Move up1.
01:33:19 (3) - Move down 1.
01:33:39 (4) - Move down2.
01:33:69 (1,2,3,4) - Move down1, right1.
01:37:77 (2,3,4) - Try mirroring sliders?
01:50:11 (2) - Move down1.
01:50:91 (2,3,4,5) - Move up1.
02:00:06 (10,11,12,13,14,15) - Move left1.
02:01:66 (3,4) - Move up1.
02:05:04 (2) - Move right1.
02:06:83 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - Move up1.
02:07:13 (5,6,7,8) - Move left1.
02:15:19 (3) - End point move down1, left3.
02:28:93 (9) - Move down1, right1.
02:31:02 (6,7,8) - Move left1.
02:36:30 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - More mirror/symmetry?

[Ryugu Castle]
I thought it was alright, but the main problem is the lack of clap sounds in the soft section. I really expected some of those in places like 04:02:97 (2) - [end slider point], 04:13:98 (5), 04:27:93 (3), ect.

[Majin Castle]
Love it. I really liked some of the jumps and sudden changes of BPM, but watch out for other mods that might not agree with me so much.

[Underworld Castle]
This one, too, is pretty good, though the sounds may feel a little empty, perhaps?

And again, please forgive me of my intensive pickiness. I'm just trying my best to give this map a good polish and help in to achieve maximum quality/awesomeness, since I really like this beatmap so much. <3

I'll go into a lot more depth into each of these sections later. Edo Castle, I am done with at the moment.

wow, thanks for modding, that really help.
and i upload my fix here

Download: Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure (Dangaard) [Edo Castle].osu

a little changes from me

[attachment=0:53959]Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure (Dangaard) [Ryugu Castle].osu[/attachment:53959]

New spacing from me!

Download: Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure (Dangaard) [Underworld Castle].osu

This is a really good map and I'm not sure why it's received so little attention. Starred.

I almost forgot about this beatmap...its doing great~!

*Star

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Moved back to beatmap help. I'm going to mod this myself, lol. I will also edit time sections ( inherit+kiai) and probably hitsounds a bit.

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Download: Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure (Dangaard) [Underworld Castle].osu

star from me ^^

Ok, there we are, it took a bunch of time to rework and nazi-fix this map.
All time sections are inherited now (except the necessary ones on song change), kiai time is added on all parts and hitsounds are improved for a more consistent overall appearance. Hope you enjoy this map.

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stated some minor things on irc~

starred

shoot star <3

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These maps totally makes me wanna play this game all over again. Man great memories, And GREATLY mapped by all of you.

I don't have much to say about it besides it being awesome!

Starred!

...let's see...

...[Edo Castle]
EDIT: First offset: 511
Second Offset: 8198

[Ryugu Castle]
First offset: 161,802
Second Offset: 229,420 , although it's so small that it's almost insignificant...

[Majin Castle]
Offset: 301,982 (not too sure, maybe just retain it as it is?)

[Underworld Castle]
Don't have problems with the offset...

Since you're putting a lot of effort, star.

Zekira wrote:

...let's see...

...[Edo Castle]
EDIT: First offset: 511
Second Offset: 8198

[Ryugu Castle]
First offset: 161,802
Second Offset: 229,420 , although it's so small that it's almost insignificant...

[Majin Castle]
Offset: 301,982 (not too sure, maybe just retain it as it is?)

[Underworld Castle]
Don't have problems with the offset...

Since you're putting a lot of effort, star.

Thanks for your offset, I will wait for some other modders/bats to recheck this offset since I cannot tell if it's perfect.
Already changed but not and uploaded. Anyway please recheck.

I like this beatmap and want to get it ranked

nice work i like it!

Finally we through all 10 minutes.

I can't find a single thing.

Well I love the map and it gets starred for sure

I don't see any errors with this map so far and I really miss games like Goemon

Star for effort.

Don't see any errors. Great job.

Starred.

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Seems REALLY clean and solid. Nothing incredibly out of the ordinary. Everyone did really well. Any objections to this bubble? (for approval)



+star?

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RemmyX25 wrote:

One problem I have with this map is that the combo burst is not sized properly.

Also, was it intentional to include each individuals part on their own?

Fix the first point and I'll RemmyBubble.

Having each part a single difficulty was intentional: In the actual videogame there are 5 castles, the last one is a "remix" of the previous 4. So I simply adopted this idea to this map.

Concerning the combo burst image: Sorry, but I don't know which size is supposed to be proper.

Edit: fixed
Edit2: Let me fix the the creator's words a bit before approving.

combo burst is fixed, so im happy.

Here, have a RemmyBubble.

[Majin]
05:07:48 (1) - hitsound
05:14:55 (3) - finish
05:23:39 (1,2,3) - the 1/4 ticks just hit from out of the blue here it doesnt really fit the prior tone of the map
05:27:13 (3) - no reason for x.5bpm
05:42:85 (2,2) - ^
05:46:58 (1,2,3) - again the 1/4 ticks dont fit the tone of the map
06:11:14 (1) - inappropriate .5bpm
06:14:29 (3) - ^
06:20:57 (3) - remove whistle (youre overusing them a bit) and try a finish
06:31:58 (4) - inappropriate .5bpm
06:40:81 (4) - ^ (slowing down IMMEDIATELY after building up speed is never a good idea)
06:52:80 (1) - wtf jump
07:20:31 (1) - inappropriate .5bpm
ending sounds slightly incomplete
im going to assume youre going for approval rather than ranking looks that way at any rate


[Dream]
00:39:55 (10) - new combo
00:42:63 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - feels awkward
01:07:52 (8) - new combosry for incomplete mod i got sick x_x back to modding
01:15:08 (3,4,5,6,7/1,2,3,4,5) - phrases should have parallel hitsounds (like whistles)
01:21:85 (6) - slider start and end should not overlap this much although i guess since it is a hold slider its sort-of ok...
01:53:30 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - feels awkward
02:28:34 (7) - new combo
02:31:52 (8) - ^
02:34:71 (5) - ^
-Ryuga-
03:33:67 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - overuse of hitsounds makes the end of the phrase not sound very finishing despite having both a finish and a whistle
03:40:94 (2) - remove whistle
i think youre overusing whistle here
04:02:38 (2) - whistle on one end or the other for consistancy
---Mojin castle appears to be the same as the difficulty i just modded, and all changes should be likewise the same--


[Underworld]
07:48:64 (1) - inappropriate .5bpm
07:54:73 (1) - ^
07:57:78 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - overusing whistle
08:06:92 (2,6) - ugly overlap + inappropriate .5bpm (on 2)
08:14:54 (1,2,4) - ugly overlap + can you make 2,4 symmetrical?
08:21:58 (2,3,4,5,6) - i dont like the way this is hitsounded
you are getting very whistle-happy, try using a different hitsound or none at all plz
08:45:00 (3) - stack under 1
08:54:14 (1) - inappropriate .5bpm
09:00:23 (1) - ^
09:14:51 (5) - remove whistle, add finish
09:40:41 (5) - ^
09:43:64 (5) - either new combo or remove jump
09:45:93 (1,2,3,4) - spacing == WTF
10:09:54 (1) - finish
10:13:35 (1,2,3,4) - this is hitsounded very prettily ^_^
10:28:96 (3) - finish?


[Ryugu]
see the middle of [Dream] mod

[Edo]
see start of [Dream] mod

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

[Majin]
05:07:48 (1) - hitsound there's no hitsound that really fits in here
05:14:55 (3) - finish applied
05:23:39 (1,2,3) - the 1/4 ticks just hit from out of the blue here it doesnt really fit the prior tone of the map
05:27:13 (3) - no reason for x.5bpm
05:42:85 (2,2) - ^
05:46:58 (1,2,3) - again the 1/4 ticks dont fit the tone of the map
06:11:14 (1) - inappropriate .5bpm
06:14:29 (3) - ^
06:20:57 (3) - remove whistle (youre overusing them a bit) and try a finish applied
06:31:58 (4) - inappropriate .5bpm
06:40:81 (4) - ^ (slowing down IMMEDIATELY after building up speed is never a good idea) I don't really think there was any speed up
06:52:80 (1) - wtf jump yup, a jump and I already reduced the distance before
07:20:31 (1) - inappropriate .5bpm
ending sounds slightly incomplete
im going to assume youre going for approval rather than ranking looks that way at any rate I hope you read map descriptions before modding

[Dream]
00:39:55 (10) - new combo applied
00:42:63 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - feels awkward I don't see problems
01:07:52 (8) - new combosry for incomplete mod i got sick x_x back to modding applied
01:15:08 (3,4,5,6,7/1,2,3,4,5) - phrases should have parallel hitsounds (like whistles) I don't see the necessity of a copied pattern here
01:21:85 (6) - slider start and end should not overlap this much although i guess since it is a hold slider its sort-of ok... yeah, it's ok
01:53:30 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - feels awkward not really
02:28:34 (7) - new combo applied
02:31:52 (8) - ^ ^
02:34:71 (5) - ^ ^
-Ryuga-
03:33:67 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - overuse of hitsounds makes the end of the phrase not sound very finishing despite having both a finish and a whistle it still sounds fine imo
03:40:94 (2) - remove whistle no
i think youre overusing whistle here
04:02:38 (2) - whistle on one end or the other for consistancy whistles on both slider ends sound really stupid imo
---Mojin castle appears to be the same as the difficulty i just modded, and all changes should be likewise the same--


[Underworld]
07:48:64 (1) - inappropriate .5bpm
07:54:73 (1) - ^
07:57:78 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - overusing whistle not really
08:06:92 (2,6) - ugly overlap + inappropriate .5bpm (on 2) thats no reasonable complaint, overlap over a 2 sec time frame
08:14:54 (1,2,4) - ugly overlap + can you make 2,4 symmetrical? this is happy's style, regard the non-perfect symmetry as mapping style
08:21:58 (2,3,4,5,6) - i dont like the way this is hitsounded
you are getting very whistle-happy, try using a different hitsound or none at all plz I did not use any claps in Underworld Castle and finish overuse is by far worse than whistles
08:45:00 (3) - stack under 1 applied
08:54:14 (1) - inappropriate .5bpm
09:00:23 (1) - ^
09:14:51 (5) - remove whistle, add finish double finish sounds bad
09:40:41 (5) - ^ ^
09:43:64 (5) - either new combo or remove jump new combo
09:45:93 (1,2,3,4) - spacing == WTF it's a simple larger spaced part
10:09:54 (1) - finish no, happy didn't want there a finish, he got his reasons
10:13:35 (1,2,3,4) - this is hitsounded very prettily ^_^ thx
10:28:96 (3) - finish? why suddenly a triple finish when it's a double finish pattern? no


[Ryugu]
see the middle of [Dream] mod

[Edo]
see start of [Dream] mod

First of all, Dream Castle is the same as the other Castles put together.
Maybe you didn't notice, but this map is supposed to be a marathon because of Dream Castle (10 min playtime). Same as on James' DDR marathon I separated the parts into single difficulties, but rather because it suits the videogame this map is based on.


About 1/4 beats and BPM slowdowns:
The slowdowns are not hard to play (compared to sudden speed ups) and fit into the map imo. The reason they are more frequent in Majin Castle is probably because it's a castle in a ghost/graveyard setting, so some dirty traps fit well.
Putting 1/4 beats on parts where the song doesn't have a 1/4 isn't that wrong imo, it creates a rhythm.

About hitsounds:
Except Edo Castle I put hitsounds on all parts, or at least fixed it. I tend to put a basic consistent rhythm either with claps or whistles (in case I don't use claps like in Underworld Caslte) and fill the gaps with other hitsounds. Usually I use finish sounds very barely, it just don't really suit to be used to create a real sound pattern, rather to emphasize some few important beats. I'm not good in music related stuff in any way, but I can tell what I like to listen to and what not, and I think the whistles you criticized several times are supporting the song.

About jumps and spacing:
You should've seen the map before I nazi-fixed it myself. the jumps on Majin Castle were reduced considerably. I also don't really get the reason you pointed them out. They're not beyond possibilites and quite fair.

About this map and modding:
I use to think a lot about how I create my maps, you can call me a nazi-mapper. This is by far the map with the most time effort I ever had, and I'm not talking about the pending time. While fixing I was very carfeul not to touch the other mappers' style too much (e.g. your symmetry suggestion on Underworld Castle). It's not perfect symmetrical, so what? That's how the mapper decided to have this. Furthermore I really question the need to snap beats to each other or fix the overlapping after a considerable time distance, since the first beat is usually not visible anymore.


Anyway, I did change some things you pointed out, thanks so far, kudosu for you.
Btw: Maybe you should be a bit more careful about a map's style.

+1 Star~

What a HUGE project!
Star'd

I enjoyed playing this.

Star.

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what now this is being neglected.


[Majjin]
nothing you wont refuse to change


[Underworld]
the last part gets a bit repetitive, but pretty good


[Ryugu]
looks good


[Edo]
looks good


have a bubble towards approval

14:15 *Alace is playing (Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure [Majin Castle])[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4633]
14:15 <Alace> : -3ms
14:15 *Alace is playing (Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure [Underworld Castle])[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4633]
14:15 <Alace> : Fine
14:15 *Alace is playing (Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure [Ryugu Castle])[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4633]
14:15 <Alace> : +13ms to both red lines
14:16 *Alace is playing (Konami - Goemon's Great Adventure [Edo Castle])[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4633]
14:16 <Alace> : +6ms to second red lines

Apart from that everything's fine.

Thanks Anekiou
She is so pro

EDIT OK the timing is better for me

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Maijin Castle:
-06:19:59 (1,2,3) - I'd space this a bit closer and remove the New Combo mark from 1, and put it on 3. 3 is a part of a new musical phrase, whereas 1 and 2 are still in the previous phrase, and that spot isn't pivotal enough to warrant the type of numbering you did here.
-06:38:84 (4) - Add a Finish.
-06:39:04 (5) - Remove the Finish. It sounds better on the 4.
-06:55:94 (2,3) - These feel random. Remove them, reinput the break, reposition 1.
-07:34:25 (7) - Add a Clap.

Underworld Castle:
-07:55:69 (2) - New Combo mark (spacing rules).
-08:07:87 (3) - ^
-08:21:58 (2) - ^
-08:34:91 (7) - Add a Finish.
-08:35:86 (1) - ^
-08:49:57 (1) - Add a Whistle.
-09:01:18 (2) - New Combo mark (spacing rules).
-09:27:46 (2) - New Combo mark (to keep things consistent).
-09:31:84 (3) - Add a Whistle.
-09:32:22 (4) - New Combo mark (this is a new phrase, not the end of the last one).
-09:33:74 (4) - Add a Finish to the endpoint.
-09:40:41 (5) - Add a Finish.
-09:52:78 (3) - ^
-09:54:12 (4) - ^
-10:00:59 (3) - New Combo mark goes here (spacing rules).
-10:09:54 (1) - Add a Whistle or a Finish.
-10:12:97 (1) - Add a Finish.

Ryugu Castle:
-02:43:19 (1) - Remove the Whistle. It sounds obnoxious.
-03:39:39 (2) - Remove the Whistle.
-03:40:96 (2) - Remove the Whistle and Clap.
-04:25:18 (3) - New Combo mark (spacing rules for the next beat).
-04:28:52 (5) - Remove the Clap, add a Whistle.
-04:28:72 (6) - Add a Clap.
-04:38:843 - It sounds like there should be a beat here.
-04:45:03 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - This entire section has such an iffy flow. I'd suggest remapping this section.
-04:46:21 (6) - New Combo mark goes here (spacing rules afterwards).

Edo Castle:
-00:16:16 (6) - New Combo mark.
-00:16:46 (1) - Remove the New Combo mark.
-00:17:75 (6) - New Combo mark.
-00:17:95 (1) - Remove the New Combo mark.
-00:27:91 (8,9,10) - I'd say that the softer hitsound stuff should be on the endpoint of 10 only, because the other stuff just sounds so blech.
-01:15:09 (3) - New Combo mark.
-01:15:68 (4) - ^ (For these last two points, it's because of spacing rules)

It's solid, so I'll star it.

Mogsworth wrote:

Maijin Castle:
applied all

Underworld Castle:
-10:09:54 (1) - Add a Whistle or a Finish. whistle
-additional change requested by happy30: 09:50:50 (3,4,5) - centered this pattern

Ryugu Castle:
-04:38:843 - It sounds like there should be a beat here. no changes
-04:45:03 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - This entire section has such an iffy flow. I'd suggest remapping this section. no changes

Edo Castle:
-00:27:91 (8,9,10) - I'd say that the softer hitsound stuff should be on the endpoint of 10 only, because the other stuff just sounds so blech. no changes

It's solid, so I'll star it.

Yeah, fixed most stuff. I only quoted the parts I didn't change. Thanks for modding.

Bubble # 1.

Mogsworth wrote:

Bubble # 5.

Just making a small, but important, fix.

Hopefully it'll get ranked this time. Go go go!