1. Time Leap - 4Key (5.87 stars, 6107 notes)

Abraxos wrote:

irc

13:35 Otakujanai: Hello Abraxos :)
13:35 Abraxos: helo
13:35 Otakujanai: Can I request mod to you?
13:35 Abraxos: whats the map
13:35 Otakujanai: It's Camellia's
13:35 *Otakujanai is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1370508 Camellia - LET'S JUMP]
13:35 Otakujanai: i saw the whitlist queue
13:36 Abraxos: mm
13:36 Abraxos: make it an irc
13:36 Abraxos: i wont be doing it in depth cause im busy rn
13:36 Otakujanai: oh
13:36 Otakujanai: okay
13:36 Otakujanai: then irc now?
13:36 Abraxos: yea
13:36 Otakujanai: :D
13:37 Otakujanai: thanks
13:37 Otakujanai: i think it's kinda exceptional....
13:37 Abraxos: we'll see
13:38 Abraxos: 00:30:258 (30258|2,30258|1,30361|1,30361|0) - no percussion?
13:38 Abraxos: actually no i dont get why you doubled them at all here
13:39 Otakujanai: well there are two sounds
13:39 Abraxos: same two are at 00:27:176 (27176|2,27279|1) -  but they arent doubled
13:39 Abraxos: besides the problem is even more fundamental - why do you want to increase density here so quickly
13:40 Otakujanai: 00:30:361 -
13:40 Otakujanai: this sound is kinda more clear i think
13:40 Otakujanai: well it's not intended
13:40 Abraxos: 00:30:361 (30361|1,30361|0,30464|3,30515|2,30566|0,30566|1) - this is 1/6 
13:40 Abraxos: the sounds are still weak regardless
13:41 Otakujanai: okay
13:41 Otakujanai: i'll try to delete some notes
13:41 Abraxos: cool
13:41 Abraxos: 00:31:594 (31594|2,31645|0,31697|1,31748|2) - this is dumping
13:41 Abraxos: no defined/sub-defined beats other than just a woop sound
13:42 Abraxos: 00:33:340 - wew youre really stepping up the density quickly lmao
13:42 Otakujanai: then should i make it to LN?
13:42 Abraxos: ya
13:42 Otakujanai: okay
13:42 Otakujanai: fixed
13:42 Abraxos: 00:37:039 (37039|0,37090|1) - ?
13:43 Abraxos: 00:40:686 (40686|2,40738|3) - erm
13:43 Otakujanai: i think
13:43 Otakujanai: it's same dumping
13:43 Abraxos: it is
13:43 Otakujanai: yeah
13:43 Otakujanai: will fix
13:44 Otakujanai: 00:40:686 (40686|2,40738|3) - for this one there's drum i think
13:45 Abraxos: seems trivial to me 
13:45 Abraxos: 00:43:923 (43923|2,43974|1,44025|2) - also you did something different here
13:45 Abraxos: consistency dud
13:46 Otakujanai: just deleted 00:40:686 - and 00:43:974 -
13:46 Otakujanai: and made a jack
13:47 Abraxos: cool
13:47 Abraxos: i guess the main gripe i have is just the patterning in general
13:48 Abraxos: there seems to be a lot of emphasis on how everything is layered but how you place those notes seem to be a bit
13:48 Otakujanai: okay for me :D
13:48 Abraxos: inconsistent i guess'
13:48 Otakujanai: i suck at patterning haha
13:49 Otakujanai: i'll try to make more consistent
13:49 Abraxos: 02:29:231 (149231|1,149231|3,149334|1,149334|3,149334|0,149334|2,149436|2,149436|0) - 02:22:656 (142656|2,142656|3,142758|1,142758|3,142758|0,142758|2,142861|0,142861|1) - do you know the difference between these two?
13:49 Otakujanai: yeah
13:50 Abraxos: whats that
13:50 Otakujanai: first one is much harder for players
13:50 Abraxos: got it
13:50 Otakujanai: and second one can give a break
13:51 Abraxos: if so then i dont get the logic behind 02:19:368 (139368|2,139368|3,139471|1,139471|3,139471|0,139471|2,139573|1,139573|0) - and well everything else 
13:51 Otakujanai: what i thought is
13:51 Otakujanai: 02:12:792 (132792|1,132792|3,132895|0,132895|2,132895|1,132895|3,132998|0,132998|2) -
13:51 Otakujanai: to
13:52 Otakujanai: 02:17:621 (137621|3,137621|0,137724|2,137724|1,137827|1,137827|0,137827|3,137827|2,137929|3,137929|0) -
13:52 Otakujanai: i wanted to make harder to play
13:53 Otakujanai: and for 02:22:861 (142861|1,142861|0,142964|2,142964|0,143066|2,143066|3) -
13:53 Otakujanai: this part is not that simple to play
13:53 Abraxos: you do know that 02:16:080 (136080|3,136080|0,136183|2,136183|0,136183|3,136183|1,136286|1,136286|2) - and 02:19:368 (139368|2,139368|3,139471|1,139471|3,139471|0,139471|2,139573|1,139573|0) - basically sound the same right
13:53 Otakujanai: so
13:53 Otakujanai: just 1 break
13:53 Otakujanai: yeah
13:53 Abraxos: so why differ them
13:54 Otakujanai: hmm
13:54 Abraxos: it doesnt have much basis in the music other than i want to make a break etc.
13:55 Otakujanai: but it'll be too hard you know
13:55 Otakujanai: ok not for you
13:55 Otakujanai: for me
13:55 Abraxos: ww
13:55 Otakujanai: so i thought there should be a break since i tested a lot
13:55 Abraxos: what i ws thinking of was (hard) (not hard) (hard) (not hard)
13:55 Abraxos: because thats what i got from the music
13:55 Otakujanai: if it should be fixed
13:55 Otakujanai: i'll fix it
13:55 Abraxos: its ultimately up to u 
13:56 Abraxos: just saying its not really optimal
13:56 Otakujanai: i'll consider your opinion
13:56 Otakujanai: if others also say its bad i'll change it later
13:56 Abraxos: 03:14:128 - this is also dumping btw
13:56 Abraxos: i guess u wanted that sr bump didnt u
13:57 Otakujanai: yeah
13:57 Abraxos: thats really
13:57 Abraxos: meh
13:57 Otakujanai: but that's acceptable you know
13:57 Abraxos: no it isnt
13:57 Otakujanai: even planet shaper has it
13:57 Otakujanai: truth is
13:57 Abraxos: planet//shaper has a background 1/10 roll that cannot be easily snapped to with what we have
13:58 Otakujanai: i didn't have any idea how to map here
13:58 Abraxos: evening made it a js that is _jumptrillable_ 
13:58 Abraxos: which yours isnt quite as for one
13:58 Otakujanai: well it is...
13:58 Otakujanai: test it
13:58 Abraxos: well if you want it to be rankable then a 1/8 roll is
13:59 Abraxos: nah it isnt ill combo break at 03:14:334 (194334|1,194436|1,194539|1,194745|0,194847|0,194950|0,195156|1,195258|1,195361|1) - these things
13:59 Abraxos: also i didnt say it wasnt jumptrillable just said it was bad to jt
13:59 Otakujanai: then i'll fix those triples
14:00 Otakujanai: something like
14:00 Otakujanai: 03:14:436 (194436|0,194436|1,194488|2,194539|3,194539|1,194590|0,194642|3,194642|2,194693|1,194745|0,194745|2,194796|3) -
14:00 Abraxos: not only that lmao stop with the 1/8 jumpstream
14:00 Otakujanai: here maybe
14:00 Otakujanai: then what should i do ;w;
14:01 Abraxos: 1/8 roll
14:01 Otakujanai: with single note
14:01 Otakujanai: kay
14:01 Abraxos: yea
14:02 Abraxos: 05:28:101 (328101|3,328101|2,328203|3,328203|2,328306|2,328306|3,328409|3,328409|2,328512|2,328512|3) - seems a bit taxing on the right hand
14:03 Otakujanai: 05:28:203 (328203|2,328203|3) - moved this to left 2 col
14:03 Abraxos: 05:35:498 (335498|2,335498|3,335498|1,335498|0,335601|3,335601|2,335601|0,335601|1,335703|2,335703|0,335703|1,335703|3,335806|0,335806|1,335806|3,335806|2,335909|2,335909|1,335909|0,335909|3) - i feel like its better if you at least had some form of differentiation between these beats 
14:03 Otakujanai: then
14:03 Otakujanai: with 3 notes?
14:03 Abraxos: yea
14:04 Otakujanai: then it will be much harder
14:04 Otakujanai: i'll try anyway
14:04 Abraxos: you kinda forced yourself into that position though
14:05 Abraxos: with the layering and all 
14:05 Abraxos: yeah i guess thats all, the map is alright i suppose
14:05 Otakujanai: thanks :)
14:05 Abraxos: gonna trust that youll look for those dumping things
14:06 Otakujanai: yeah
14:06 Otakujanai: btw
14:06 Otakujanai: do you think those SVs are okay
14:06 Otakujanai: i mean
14:06 Otakujanai: there are too much XD
14:06 Abraxos: how long did you spend making the Svs
14:06 Otakujanai: 50
14:06 Otakujanai: 40?
14:06 Otakujanai: hours maybe
14:07 Otakujanai: well at least i think it fits with the song
14:07 Otakujanai: i'm noob
14:07 Otakujanai: i really map slowly
14:07 Abraxos: it does but no amount of SVs will cover up a badly patterned chart in any case
14:08 Otakujanai: well it was first mod
14:08 Otakujanai: i think i can improve my patterns
14:08 Abraxos: thats a good mindset then
14:08 Otakujanai: did you uploaded chatlog
14:09 Abraxos: hold on

Tofu1222 wrote:

Nice Job!!!

2017-08-10 01:53 Otakujanai: Hello eyes :)
2017-08-10 01:53 Otakujanai: Can you help me with some SVs?
2017-08-10 01:53 eyes: Hello yes sure
2017-08-10 01:53 Otakujanai: Thanks :D
2017-08-10 01:53 Otakujanai: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1370508 Camellia - LET'S JUMP]
2017-08-10 01:53 Otakujanai: this map
2017-08-10 01:55 eyes: yep so how can I help
2017-08-10 01:55 Otakujanai: there are lots of SVs so to make it simple can you just tell me what part is awkward?
2017-08-10 01:56 Otakujanai: or maybe needs improvement
2017-08-10 01:56 Otakujanai: i'm bad at checking SVs myself
2017-08-10 01:57 eyes: 00:13:614 -
2017-08-10 01:57 eyes: unreadable moment
2017-08-10 01:57 eyes: 00:13:306 - speed is 0.8x
2017-08-10 01:58 Otakujanai: yeah
2017-08-10 01:58 eyes: you use 1.7x+0.1x on 1/4 snap
2017-08-10 01:58 Otakujanai: to highlight the sound
2017-08-10 01:58 Otakujanai: i made it to 0.9x
2017-08-10 01:58 eyes: hmm yes
2017-08-10 01:58 eyes: 1.7+0.8/2=0.9x
2017-08-10 01:59 eyes: so it makes it unreadable I guess?
2017-08-10 01:59 Otakujanai: I'll consider about it
2017-08-10 01:59 eyes: because there was 0.8x and you suddenly make 0.9x stutter
2017-08-10 01:59 Otakujanai: cuz
2017-08-10 01:59 Otakujanai: others say it's okay to read
2017-08-10 02:02 eyes: actually very good svs
2017-08-10 02:02 Otakujanai: thank you XD
2017-08-10 02:02 Otakujanai: spend 50 hours to make SVs lol
2017-08-10 02:02 Otakujanai: i'm noob
2017-08-10 02:02 eyes: I'm bad on sv checking too
2017-08-10 02:03 Otakujanai: then just simply tell me what part is bad :)
2017-08-10 02:03 Otakujanai: and
2017-08-10 02:03 eyes: 02:37:964 - this part plays awkwardly
2017-08-10 02:03 Otakujanai: you already have good ranked SV map
2017-08-10 02:04 Otakujanai: for that part
2017-08-10 02:04 Otakujanai: i wanted to express
2017-08-10 02:04 Otakujanai: buzzing sound while emphasizing the vocal
2017-08-10 02:06 Otakujanai: since you said it's awkward maybe i'll rearrange SVs to make average SV 1.0x
2017-08-10 02:06 eyes: yep
2017-08-10 02:06 eyes: 1.0x will be fine
2017-08-10 02:10 eyes: 06:00:566 - I think this effect can be improved
2017-08-10 02:10 Otakujanai: ahh
2017-08-10 02:10 Otakujanai: yeah
2017-08-10 02:11 Otakujanai: i also felt bit awkward about
2017-08-10 02:11 Otakujanai: 06:01:491 - 
2017-08-10 02:11 Otakujanai: here
2017-08-10 02:11 eyes: add stutter effect here
2017-08-10 02:11 eyes: everything else is fine for me
2017-08-10 02:11 eyes: at least in automod =)
2017-08-10 02:11 Otakujanai: okay
2017-08-10 02:11 Otakujanai: thanks :)
2017-08-10 02:12 eyes: I guess this is very hard svs
2017-08-10 02:12 eyes: but looks very good
2017-08-10 02:12 Otakujanai: XD
2017-08-10 02:12 Otakujanai: wanna rank this haha

eyes wrote:

Great

laughingcomet wrote:

SV's

00:13:614 - ~ 00:14:128 - i think i know what you were going for with these but i don't think that it works. The studder will mostly just confuse everyone instead of adding onto the experience, i would keep it like you were doing before. + the sound you seem to map to is really low so you can barely hear it while playing Basically speed is set to 0.8x here but only average of those stutter SVs are 0.9(1.7/0.1), which is intentional. However since the sound is small as you pointed, I changed it to 1.5 0.1 to make players feel better.
00:16:902 - This one is better but still the same in my opinion Changed to 1.6 0.1
00:20:190 - ^ Since there are other SVs here, to make players notice each SVs it should be bit stronger.
01:05:909 - ~ 01:17:416 - i feel like this might be a little bit too much, maybe scale some of the sv's down, so it becomes more readable Will change later if others also point about this part because I already got some testplays from other players and some of them did very well here.
01:46:799 - i would remove the studder effect and just have it as a fast sv for these sounds or at least make them less noticeable. Changed initial SV : 3.0 to 3.6 / stuttering SV 1.5 to 1.3 which can make fast SV more noticeable.
01:48:443 - ^ Different sound.
01:52:142 - Most likely this one too Deleted SVs (which was actually unintentional)
01:58:717 - These also sounds like it should be just a fast single SV instead of a stutter Made stuttering effect to give different impression between 01:58:923 - , which already has fast single SV (4.5 / 0.5)
02:00:361 - ^
02:02:005 - ^
02:11:662 - ^ i think you get the deal by this point (these are also too aggressive i think it just looks weird and the sound doesn't really fit the effect)
Same goes for this whole section 02:11:662 - ~ 02:21:936 - Avg (2.1 0.1 1.6 0.1) goes to 1 -> changed to 2.3 0.1 1.3 0.1 which gives much closer feeling of single fast SV and avg is set to 0.95 in order to make it smoother
02:23:375 - ~ 02:24:813 - worked because it sounded like it was stuttering
02:24:813 - ~ 02:35:087 - same thing with a single SV Same with 02:11:662 - ~ 02:21:936 -
The rest of the map seemed fine i think but for the more "aggressive" parts of the SV's you should see if you can get people to test play this map and see what they think of the SV's because some of them might be really hard to read for people.

Already got some people to test play like wonder5193, Cobo-, Evening, etc. Since wonder and cobo didn't bother SVs and Evening also said hard to read but not that questionable so it'll be okay with some strong SVs. just my thoughts

The map seemed fine in itself didn't see any major errors or hear any. But like i said try and get people to test play and tell you what they think

Curiossity wrote:

Camellia Actually I don't like Camellia lol just mapped this cuz I think I can put lots of SVs

Columns: 1|2|3|4

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00:00:772 (772|0) - I'm not sure that the slight buzz sound on each fourth note is really necessary here, might be a bit overdone. idk
Will consider
00:13:306 (13306|2) - Most of the SVs in this section, up until probably 00:25:635 (25635|3) - are probably a bit dramatic for this slow part. I feel that because you have such strong SVs on the slow part, the SVs are then less emphasized when the big sounds come out and the SVs are the same...
Fixed
00:24:813 (24813|3) - should this be two notes?
Fixed
00:25:019 (25019|3,25327|3,25429|3) - jacking out of an ln feels odd, maybe move 00:25:327 (25327|3) - to col. 3 and swap 00:25:738 (25738|2,25840|3) - ?
Fixed lost my photo
00:27:382 (27382|2) - there should be a note here, since there's a sound similar to 00:27:073 (27073|0) - which you did map
Fixed
00:29:745 (29745|3) - the transition here between sv and no sv is very apparent, maybe extend the SV and smooth it out a bit
No. stronger sound in short period
00:33:135 (33135|2) - there could also be a note here, although it would be weird to jack with the sv at that point, so i understand your decision... still, maybe make the quad only a hand and then add a note here on col. 3? you'd also have to restructure the SV for spacing but i do believe there's a sound there... up to you
strong sound -> can't hear the next sound clearly
00:36:525 (36525|1) - some odd layering here, why is this a jump?
fixed
00:37:245 (37245|0) - what is this note doing here, sounds like a ghost
melody / couldn't add notes before cuz SVs, which emphasize buzzing
00:41:457 (41457|1) - should there be a note here as well?
00:41:662 (41662|1) - and here
ignored small drum
00:43:101 (43101|0) - similarily here, i think i could understand with the SVs going on but i still think that the notes should try to replicate the music a bit more
fixed since stronger drum

00:49:368 (49368|1) - Also, yeah definitely a drum sound here.
fixed
00:51:936 (51936|0) - should this really be a hand?
fixed
00:52:758 (52758|3) - through this part, there is a very clear 1/4 beat, yet sometimes you leave breaks and others you don't. I could understand following the synth, but there's no synth at 00:53:375 (53375|0). I guess there's some other sounds that you're following instead, which you map closely enough, but sometimes it's not lound enough to really hear that well.
strong sound -> can't hear the next sound clearly
01:04:265 (64265|1,64676|2) - Having the first LN be 2x the second one feels odd, even though they're different sounds... maybe make it closer, idk
fixed SVs rather than pattern
01:09:197 (69197|0) - Here the kicks in the music grow softer, maybe reduce the hands to jumps intead
nope ascending sounds with harder patterns
01:24:299 (84299|3) - this might be a ghost note, not sure there's a sound here
there is
01:28:306 (88306|2,88306|0,88409|1,88409|0) - Also shouldn't these two be the same, as the sound is the same?
decending sound
01:31:183 (91183|2) - there's 1/6 pattern starting here, could be interesting to note that as well
Nope
01:31:902 (91902|0) - note here?
Nope
01:33:957 (93957|1) - note here too
fixed
01:35:601 (95601|1) - lots of these 1/4 notes you aren't mapping, so I'll stop mentioning them as it appears it's on purpose
fixed
01:38:169 (98169|0,98169|1,98375|2,98375|3) - only strange part here is that one of these jump-lns is a kick, and the other is just a synth, yet you map them the same way.
Emphasizing vocal without expressing pitch
01:42:176 (102176|0) - emptiness here, the melodic synth is going on. i feel like you start 3/4ths too late
intended strong sound
01:44:847 (104847|0) - also maybe a note here
nope
01:44:950 (104950|1) - machinegun owo maybe have this be a 1/8 trill or some sort of fast roll, probably more fitting than the LN. Also if you have LNs here you should probably have LNs at other points, like 05:27:330 that I mention later
fixed
01:45:361 (105361|3) - Starting here, a few of these notes feel like they're actually ghost notes, not sure if there's a 1/4 beat you can use unfortunately... 01:47:519 (107519|3) - stuff like this might not fly
fixed
01:46:902 (106902|0) - stuff like this might need to be mapped xd
will consider about it later since I want to keep that SV
also sometimes the layering is confusing, but as far as I can tell it's okay

01:49:882 (109882|2) - also what does this LN represent, not immediately obvious imo
fixed
01:57:895 (117895|1) - definitely a note here
nope, ghost or small drum which can be ignored (25% listening)
02:05:806 (125806|0) - maybe not a note here
fixed
02:06:114 (126114|0,126320|0,126525|0,126731|0,126936|0,127142|0) - owo maybe try to disrupt this anchor
fixed
02:08:375 (128375|3) - from here to 02:10:019 (130019|0) - idk if most of these should be jumps or not, it feels more like you should delve into an LN section instead of a jackfest. 02:08:477 (128477|0) - this is a ghost note, and 02:08:580 (128580|3,128683|1) - these hardly fit the music in terms of intensity, maybe take it down a notch for this part

Deleted 02:11:560 - a note

02:10:224 (130224|3) - note here maybe
No
02:10:532 (130532|3) - note here too
No
02:10:943 (130943|2) - ghost maybe
No

02:11:354 (131354|2,131560|0,131560|2) - why are these two mapped differently, i can't hear anything in the music that could justify this layering


How did I map 02:10:327 - to 02:11:662 -

1. 02:10:327 - to 02:10:738 -
only 1 note on melody
2. 02:10:840 - to 02:11:560 -
1 short LN on melody, 1 note for drum
3. 02:11:560 (131560|2) - intentional jack since I can't make quad 02:11:662 - here

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02:23:169 (143169|0,143580|0,143991|0) - these feel like they should more be hands instead of quads, since you used quads for the claps+kicks before and these are merely kicks. I understand from a structural perspective, 'specially 'cause you're using SVs here, but maybe make them hands, for consistency
I think it does match with 02:22:758 - 02:19:471 - these kind of sounds and there's also vocal too, which can also made as quad
02:23:375 (143375|0,143375|1,143786|0,143786|1) - Also maybe balance out these LN jumps by moving the second two to the right hand or something.
kinda balanced cuz 02:23:888 (143888|3,143888|2,143991|3,143991|2) - this jack
02:31:286 (151286|1,151388|0) - maybe switch these two, as the LN probably shouldn't be the same col. as 02:31:697 (151697|0) -
good point
02:37:964 (157964|0) - this following section, it feels strange to omit the 1/4 where as you map them at 02:44:539 (164539|0) - maybe just differences in patterning i guess, still kinda inconsistent imo
Other maptesters said it's good
02:52:450 (172450|1) - I don't think you've ever mapped this sound with 1/8ths before, typically you just use SVs or ignore them. Kinda odd but okey
oki
03:01:080 (181080|0) - ghost maybe
I think I hear the sound but not sure.
03:03:854 (183854|3) - you can hear descending 1/4ths after this
which are expressed by SVs while playing after strong SVs you feel surprised and then your heart feels like descending what am I saying imao
03:14:128 (194128|2) - dont get me wrong i love dump files, not sure this is rankable tho
Dunno too. I'll ask BN about this. Made like this after Abraxos' mod.
03:16:594 (196594|1,196902|2,197210|2) - these should be the hands, for the snare, not 03:16:594 (196594|1,197005|1) -
fixed
03:17:416 (197416|3) - same thing as before, not sure this section following this note should be consistent 1/4ths... some are probably ghosts
fixed
03:28:923 (208923|2) - i like the pattern, but i feel the LN should have the jump as it's a heavier sound than the current jumps
I'll fix it later
03:42:895 (222895|2,222998|2) - these should have a 1/8th between them
fixed
03:50:292 (230292|0) - breaks feel strange here, there's still things going on in the music... imo 03:56:868 (236868|2) - this is a good enough break for the player to regain stamina if that's what you're worried about.
Yep Actually I don't have any idea how to pattern this part.
03:56:457 (236457|3) - also really lol this is a silly quad but okay
deleted 1 LN
04:00:977 (240977|3) - also you're not mapping the SVs here owo
cuz sound is more buzzing all through this part owo
04:06:525 (246525|2) - ghost
Nope
04:06:936 (246936|0) - same
Nope Snare again
04:14:025 (254025|2) - ghost probably, move one of the notes 1/4 earlier, and remove the other
since 04:14:128 (254128|3,254128|0,254128|2) - this sound is much more stronger than any other sound in this part, but still I didn't wanted to use quad in calm part, I just made double jack
04:17:313 (257313|2) - same as above, rinse and repeat for whole section
^
04:19:368 (259368|2,259573|1) - ? ghosts, right?
nope small snare rolling sound
all in all very strange layering during this down time, i doubt even the SVs could justify
Agree but I'm sure all patterns in this part are intended
04:37:245 (277245|2) - i hear a hint of snare here, maybe place a note
fixed
04:37:655 (277655|2) - why a jump
drum - drum
04:44:539 (284539|3) - Quite a few ghost notes in this part imo, maybe double check
expressing every boop sound in 1/4 snap
Most of what I said about the first build up is applicable here, so I won't rephrase it... also most of this looks strangely similar to the first buildup. I understand that 7 mins is a long song but i learned my lesson about copy-paste a while ago. there's plenty of room for experimental patterns or different interpretations of the music, or even just different ways to pattern things. Yep.

05:08:991 (308991|1) - in what world is this sound a hand lol, maybe tone this section down a bit, have these be jumps instead
05:08:888 (308888|0,308991|1,309094|0) - no jacks
05:02:313 (302313|0,302313|3,302313|1,302313|2,302621|0,302621|3,302621|1) - same sound, different layering.. maybe have both be quads
intentional since 05:02:621 (302621|3,302724|3) - there is jack, which will give more load to right hand
05:15:772 (315772|3) - again, not sure if you can get away with consistent 1/4ths, but even if you do try to stay consistent and have a good reason for layering. bonus points if you explain to me what's going on here owo


1. 05:15:772 (315772|2,315772|3,315772|0,315772|1,315875|3,315875|2,315977|0,315977|1,316080|3,316080|1,316183|2,316183|0,316183|3) -
Strong melody sound -> all two notes
drum -> made jack like 05:15:977 (315977|1,316080|1) - and 05:16:080 (316080|3,316183|3) -

2. Other parts
double if drum
single if no drum but made jack

3. every 3/4 points like 05:16:491 - or 05:16:902 -
made double to emphasize 05:17:005 - these sounds
+ 1 note hole like 05:17:724 (317724|1,317724|2,317827|3,317827|1) -

4. Some break is needed
05:18:032 (318032|0,318032|1,318135|2,318135|3,318238|0,318238|2,318238|3,318340|0,318340|1,318443|3,318443|2,318546|1,318546|0,318649|0,318649|1,318649|3,318751|3,318751|2,318854|0,318854|1) -
like this

5. 05:20:806 (320806|0,320909|3,320909|1,321012|0,321012|2) -
Melody is bit stronger but smaller drum -> double with no jacks

6. The most important concept here

- How much drum sound is soft/hard
- Making jacks if player has enough power / giving some rest

But, I also think some improvements must be made before ranked.
So, I'll try to make it more reasonable by self-mod and other modder's modding.


05:27:330 (327330|0,327382|1,327433|3,327484|2,327536|0,327587|1,327638|2) - woah surprise 1/8ths out of nowhere again. I get the feeling you could put these to use a lot more in this track. also maybe not rankable idk
Probably rankable hehe
05:35:498 (335498|2,335498|3,335498|1,335498|0,335601|3,335601|2,335601|0,335601|1,335703|2,335703|0,335703|1,335703|3,335806|0,335806|1,335806|3,335806|2,335909|2,335909|1,335909|0,335909|3) - o w o
GOOD LUCK

05:40:429 (340429|0,340429|1,340481|2,340532|3,340635|2,340686|1,340738|0,340943|0,340943|1,340995|2,341046|1,341149|3,341149|2,341200|1,341251|2,341251|0,341303|3) - these sounds are more akin to LNs probably, especially given the history of LN use in this map
Concept from PLANET//SHAPER, but I'll try to find better pattern

06:13:614 (373614|0,373614|3) - where's the sound for this
same above
06:21:320 (381320|2) - note here maybe
Intentional
06:22:210 (382210|1,382279|2) - probably not 1/6th
fixed
06:25:498 (385498|2,385566|1) - same
fixed
06:21:525 (381525|3) - is the same as 01:32:210 (92210|3) - except for a few parts. not that i blame you but if i can recognize this you should probably switch it up a bit.
will fix

A few final thoughts.

SVs: they are very well done, maybe a bit over done. Aim for medium-well, imo. I'd say, tone it down on the slower parts, as that way you can adequately emphasize the more chaotic parts, where the SV really feels necessary. I really like some of the SVs you had for the buzzing sounds though, they were pretty cool to watch. And maybe I'm just being super anti-SV, although I'm not trying to be ;w;

Will try to tone down a bit. Especially for 03:56:457 - ~ 04:35:087 - this part.

Pattern wise, I think you should probably take another look at your layering. From what I can see, it's a bit inconsistent and there's a few places with ghost notes that should probably be thinned out. Also, I'd argue that you overmapped a few places especially during the second half of the map, and you probably also suffer from patterns that mirror the first half. However, maybe I just don't understand how you layered the whole map, and there's something that I'm really missing. In that case, as long as you can justify how you layered things, I guess it's alright. I am curious, though.

I understand. Some parts are awkward, some are inconsistent, and some can't be understood.
Still, I'm trying to make patterns more consistent / simple / acceptable for every players but this is my first time to map full of jumphands. me noob

Also you might want to keep an eye on how you use the 1/8th streams, and for what purpose. Try to stay consistent, and keep in mind that it might not be rankable to use the 1/8ths on a buzzsaw-sounding synth.

It'll be okay

Overall thoughts: Good map, I think for the most part it fits the song, however sometimes it goes a bit overboard with both SV intensity, as well as pattern density. Tone a few of those down, maybe iron out some inconsistencies, and you should be good to go.

OscarRickyH02 wrote:

there is clear line between fun and playable. In my opinion the sv just... too.. much... and some of them reduce the playabliity. I suggest you to remove some and reduce bump speed, kinda hard to see and interpretate the snap Sorry but I can't agree with you about SVs since 95% of SVs are readable

lets start with the note

1234
00:23:888 (23888|2) - this is ghost right? No it's not
00:24:402 - since the kick is in blue, why is this double? Mistake while checking other modder's mod. Fixed
00:25:224 - i prefer something like this regarding hand balance and bit playability. Patterns should have variety and also it's my style of mapping. Also this pattern is not that hard and easier patterning is not always the best. I think mine is better.
Y'know i like to make the jump note always next to each other (like 12, 23, 34) because i think its easier to read

00:26:457 - anyway on this part i prefer some anchors (or minijacks if you dont like long jack) like this or this That's what I say 'overmapped' since those sounds are not strong enough to express with 146bpm continuous jacks

00:26:971 - this shouldn't be double right?
well i assume the double is just for kicks and snare two sounds. kicks and snares are expressed with double+jack

00:40:429 - err, what is that doubles for?
the kicks and snare is too weak to be mapped as double and triple tbh i suggest you to map them as single (as bg sound) and double is for clear synth since its much sounds clearer than the percussion sound That's why I didn't put jack there.

00:47:827 - make it jumpjack like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9032929
idk, this is just personal suggestion, they just looks more fun, or maybe you can add some variatio for those jumpjack if you think repetitive pattern is boring
Changed to similar patterns.

01:37:142 - little bit inconsistency, i more prefer triples for kicks and double for snare as usual Expressing sounds with little bit of inconsistency is okay.
01:37:450 - and this is not a snare, or at least its weak so please put single snare with 25% hearing. And it's weak so i didn't put jack 01:37:347 - here right?

01:37:450 - i think there was a skipped sound, i heard it on 50% playback (with bass boosted headset lol), sound like hit hat
Fixed with SV & LN

01:59:334 - just a personal suggestion i think these synth mapped as single and put double when there is hithat (every red tick i think)
y'know since more intense part is coming i want to reduce the density in this part, i think its more interesting that way
02:11:662 - is already much intense than 01:59:334 -
02:11:662 - the intense part i was talking ^

02:31:388 - i have idea for the sv on this part but you must change this ln into one 1/2 long ln on 2nd col and delete 02:31:697 (151697|0) -
Sorry but mine is better.

02:47:827 - where is the 1/16?
02:48:649 - as well
Fixed SVs

02:52:347 - those 1/8 burst is kinda not fit into the sound I'll consider about it but I don't think I'll change those.

03:07:142 - make this sound quad everywhere for consistency
sounds that kinda like snare with kicks, you can get rid of that ln and change it as regular note Nope. Expressed vocal with LN

03:10:840 - change ln into 1/8 burst until blue line
just personal suggestion kek made SVs stronger

03:15:772 - remember the jumpjack that each note next each other, you may apply that here for readability and hand balance No plz try to think how other mappers make patterns... those patterning only make map easier and make patterns simple. Those vocal sounds feel quite broken here too...

03:50:292 - break is not recommended btw, i prefer less dense ver of earlier part Break is absolutely needed if u are not an ET player. Not recommended does not mean should not.

05:32:827 (332827|3,332929|2,333032|2) - not like this
no ln and minijack at the same time and the same hand Fixed. Mistake.

and jumps are kinda overused tbh, i think you may only put the jumps on the clear synth, and ignore the less clear one. Consistent jump on long time is kinda exhausting and boring This part tests how far players can get, which means intentionally made a bit harder (but I do not think it's overmapped.)

sv

since kinda overused i'm bit lazy to make it better, these are just too much that not important like on first part there is like sv on every 1/16 or that clearly not visible. I only expect sv on strong beat or some kinda cutted sound (?) like in 00:49:882 - but rest of it kinda not important and make it not sightreadable again sorry but no

02:31:388 - requested sv:

1. 02:31:388 - 0,3x
2. 02:31:542 - 3,1x
3. 02:31:594 - 0,1x
4. 02:31:748 - 3,7x
5. 02:31:799 - 1.0x

i think that all i can do for now
good luck

Syadow- wrote:

Lost my mod skills
Icon x diff
Okay rip
Gonna mod this soon sorry for long long delay :'v marked

Pachiru wrote:

Wow, pretty great job, you did pretty well on the SV !

If I can suggest sth, I think that you should increase the SV a bit in the beginning cause I think that the difference of SV is not really visible

I shoot 2 stars here

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1. 00:26:251 (26251|0,26251|1) - 윗 노트와 간격이 너무 좁습니다 스냅 1/6로 해서 00:26:388 - 로 맞춰주세요
   다른 부분들도 다 이런식으로 하시면 될 것 같습니다. 50ms 이상 차이가 나므로 상관없다고 생각합니다. 다른 랭곡들중에도 더 좁은 간격으로
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4. 00:37:142 (37142|3,37142|2) - 구조상 가능하지 않습니다 ^ 00:32:005 (32005|0,32005|3) - ^
   
5. 00:37:245 (37245|0) - 고스트 노트 이전 구간에서 변속때문에 뺀 멜로디 놋입니다
   
6. 00:37:758 (37758|2) - 무른 소리를 따라간 것 인지 명확하지 않습니다. 차라리 00:37:553 - 여기부터 롱놋을 만들어서 00:37:964 - 여기까지 하시면 멜로디라도 따라가서 괜찮을것 같아요 뒷배경음으로 우우웅하는 소리를 표현했습니다
   
7. 00:42:484 (42484|2) - 이 롱놋의 시작 부분을 00:42:587 - 이쪽으로 하여 "보잉~" 소리를 더욱 부각 시키면 어떨까요 ? 변속때문에
   스냅이 이상하게 느껴질 것 같습니다. 알맞은 변속이 떠오르면 추후에 수정하겠습니다.
   
8. 00:49:368 - 여기에도 사운드가 나는데 이 소리를 묻히긴 조금 그렇네요 변속으로 00:49:265 - 이 소리를 표현하기 위해 의도적으로 무시한 소리입니다
   
   
   이런식으로 전체적인 소리를 살려보는건 어떤가요
   
9. 01:51:114 - 여기쪽
   
   
   이런 패턴은 어떤가요 수정했습니다
   
10. 01:56:868 - 여태까지 4놋 하다 갑자기 3놋 으로 바뀌었네요 일관성을 위해 노트 하나를 더 추가해줍시다. 그 후 01:56:765 (116765|3) - 이걸 1번 줄로 옮기는걸 추천해드려요 계속 3놋-4놋-3놋-4놋 식으로 패턴을 구상했으니 3놋이 맞다고 생각합니다. 패턴은 전체적으로 다듬었습니다.
    
11. 02:05:292 (125292|1) - 2번으로 ( 02:06:936 (126936|3,126936|1) - 이것처럼 동일 하게. ) 수정했습니다
    
12. 02:08:169 - 여기와 02:08:272 - 여기는 같은 크기의 이펙트 인데 노트 2, 3 이 되는건 이상하다고 봅니다.
    02:08:169 (128169|2) - 이걸 2번으로 간 뒤에 02:08:272 (128272|3) - 삭제 해주시면 될 것 같네요 수정했습니다
    
13. 02:16:491 (136491|0) - 굳이 1번으로 할 필요는 없다고 봅니다 2번으로 간 뒤에 02:16:594 (136594|1) - 이걸 1번으로 수정했습니다
    
    
    제가 해드리는 패턴의 부분 오류 또는 권유 할 부분들이 너무 많아서 일단 가장 중요한 부분들 (고스트 노트, 스냅 오류 등) 을 위주로 봐야겠네요 ㅜㅜ
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14. 02:31:902 - 여기에 일렉트릭 사운드가 나는데 추가 해보시는건 ?? 02:31:799 - 이 사운드가 강해서 의도적으로 무시했습니다
    02:28:614 - ,02:30:258 - ,02:31:902 - ,02:33:546 - , 02:35:190 - < 여기도 나긴 하는데 너무 옅은것 같네요.
    
15. 02:38:991 (158991|1,158991|2) - Ctrl + H
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    02:42:279 (162279|2,162279|1) - ^
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    수정했습니다
    
16. 02:48:649 (168649|0,168649|1,168700|2,168700|3,168751|0,168751|1) - 드르륵 사운드에 이 패턴이 옳은건지 모르겠네요 01:15:772 (75772|3,75798|2,75823|1,75849|0,75875|3,75900|2,75926|1,75952|0) - 이런식의 패턴이 옳은게 아닌지.. 너무 짧아서 그러셨다면
    
    
    
    이게 맞지 않을까 싶습니다. 다른 방식으로 변속과 패턴을 수정했습니다
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18. 03:03:854 - 여기쪽 사운드 묻히는게 너무 아쉽습니다. 스냅이 명확하지 않은 소리라 표현하지 않았습니다
    
    
    
    이런식으로 따라가는 것을 추천합니다.
    
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    천천히 모딩을 받으면서 다듬는 게 좋아보입니다 넵
    
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