02:38 Remus: Hi o/
02:38 Remus: Can i ask you for testplay?
02:38 IControl: sure
02:40 *Remus is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1369892 Demetori - Fall of Fall ~ The Door Into Summer]
02:40 Remus: I can also offer you m4m if you don't mind :>
02:40 IControl: ok
02:41 Remus: On what map then?
02:41 IControl: if you dont mind moding wake up girls
02:41 Remus: Sure
02:42 IControl: ah
02:42 IControl: dont you think you could put some notes here
02:42 IControl: feels very empty D:
02:43 Remus: hm, there are no sounds here D:
02:43 Remus: I mean
02:43 Remus: Only background ones
02:43 IControl: the ones at the white tic
02:43 IControl: i feel like im giving an irc but
02:43 Remus: Oh, it's not problem
02:43 IControl: that last section should more desnse too
02:48 Remus: What's up on white tick?
02:48 Remus: Can you link it after play?
02:48 Remus: oh, that double in 1/3 section was my fault, sorry; put it somehow when fixing smth
02:48 IControl:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/62291102:48 IControl: do you want an irc?
02:48 Remus: So, what do you think in general?
02:48 IControl: or you want me to just post it on the form
02:48 IControl: in general
02:48 Remus: Oh, i can try
02:48 IControl: ill start with the good points
02:49 IControl: 02:53:032 -
02:49 IControl: this part was very fun to play
02:49 IControl: and this part
02:49 IControl: 03:04:365 -
02:50 IControl: very intresting contrast beteen the durms and guitar
02:50 IControl: 03:25:865 -
02:50 IControl: this part too
02:51 IControl: the only part i didnt like was the 1/3s torwads the end
02:51 IControl: they kind ruined the flow
02:51 Remus: Hm
02:51 Remus: 03:49:476 - is really mistake, sorry about that xD
02:51 Remus: But
02:51 Remus: What do you think
02:52 Remus: Is 1/3 suits here or not?
02:52 Remus: I mean
02:52 IControl: it does but
02:52 Remus: Ye, it's kind of break some density and flow
02:52 Remus: But emphasizing is very good imno
02:52 Remus: Imo
02:52 IControl: i think mapping the bass and durms like u did b4 is a better option
02:52 IControl: like at here 03:25:532 -
02:53 IControl: if you want to make to guitar in some parts it could be 1/2 notes
02:53 IControl: -or 1/3
02:53 IControl: sorry 1/4
02:53 Remus: I thought that 1/3 rhythmics of guitar is rare and need to be emphasized D:
02:53 Remus: Like...
02:53 Remus: Tries to find a proper word...
02:53 Remus: Tonality of sound, i guess?
02:54 Remus: It's better and louder than drums at that part
02:54 Remus: It's all about breaking flow or smth else?
02:54 IControl: hmm
02:54 IControl: so
02:55 IControl: 03:39:921 (1405) - this one is fine
02:55 IControl: 03:39:365 (1400,1401,1402,1403,1404,1405,1406) -
02:55 IControl: this one i ment
02:55 Remus: Oh, sure, i got it
02:55 IControl: 03:40:198 -
02:55 IControl: it should end here
02:55 IControl: tho
02:56 IControl: so you could remove this note for emphaise
02:56 IControl: 03:40:282 (1408) -
02:56 Remus: 03:40:115 - but there is no sound here
02:56 Remus: Anyway i'll think about it
02:57 Remus: Looks fine, but i think modders and BNs will kill me
02:57 IControl: yeah idk
02:57 IControl: this part is hard to map D:
02:58 IControl: 03:41:032 -
02:58 IControl: i thin this is 1/4
02:58 Remus: here i thought, that if i started to follow the 1/3 guitar
02:58 Remus: i should even end up with it
02:58 IControl: also this part
02:58 IControl: 03:39:698 -
02:59 IControl: right?
02:59 IControl: it sounds more acturate with 1/4s in these streams
02:59 Remus: Hm
03:00 Remus: You are right, but it's not so "clear" then
03:00 Remus: I mean, some notes will be late or earlier than it sounds
03:00 Remus: Or it's just for me
03:00 Remus: ...
03:01 IControl: try playing back at 25%
03:01 IControl: 03:41:032 -
03:01 IControl: to this 03:41:532 - is 1/4 stream
03:02 IControl: but yeah i would check with bn with that part
03:02 Remus: Ah
03:02 Remus: You meant that one
03:02 Remus: 03:40:698 (1411,1412,1413) - is 1/3 and 03:41:032 (1414,1415,1416,1417,1418,1419,1420) - 1/4
03:02 Remus: Right?
03:02 IControl: 03:46:365 -
03:02 IControl: this part you should follow durms
03:02 IControl: yes
03:03 Remus: 3:46 i'll leave to BN check, because it's very...odd moment
03:03 Remus: And need some expert to find out what's better way to map it
03:03 Remus: I mean
03:03 Remus: Both of sides
03:04 Remus: (1/3 guitar and 1/4 drums here)
03:04 Remus: Are right
03:04 IControl: 1/2 notes sound fine to me at03:46:365 -
03:04 Remus: It's all about subjective thought
03:04 IControl: to 03:47:032 -
03:04 IControl: its not really
03:04 Remus: hm, let me try
03:04 IControl: its about being acurate to the music
03:04 IControl: and not being to confusing
03:05 Remus: Hm
03:05 Remus: You mean
03:05 Remus: Consistency is better here
03:05 Remus: Than untrivial rhythmics here?
03:05 IControl: yes
03:05 Remus: Fine, let give it a try
03:05 IControl: most bns follow consistnecy
03:06 Remus: Maybe you are really right and i am wrong
03:06 Remus: Fixed that, thanks
03:06 IControl: 03:49:143 (1465) - this could be d
03:06 IControl: much easier to read
03:06 IControl: and fix this lol03:49:476 (1468) -
03:06 Remus: 03:49:143 (1464) - it's kind of echo LUL
03:06 Remus: And i thought it will suit with kat
03:07 Remus: I have already fixed, ye, thanks
03:07 IControl: i guess thats fine lol
03:07 IControl: um
03:07 Remus: leave that kat for another's mention
03:07 IControl: lets go back to beggnign lol
03:07 Remus: Okay
03:08 IControl: 00:03:045 -
03:08 IControl: you dont hear anything here?
03:08 IControl: also this could be d
03:08 Remus: hear
03:08 Remus: But it's very low
03:08 IControl: to match guitar
03:09 IControl: i would add at 00:03:045 -
03:09 IControl: and change volume
03:09 Remus: HM
03:09 Remus: Hm*
03:09 IControl: just so the begnning doesnt feel so empty
03:09 Remus: 00:08:378 -
03:09 Remus: and here too?
03:10 IControl: yeah
03:10 IControl: and here 00:08:545 -
03:10 Remus: 00:08:378 - you mean?
03:11 Remus: Or
03:11 Remus: Wait, is it offset things
03:11 IControl: sorry i ment here 00:08:712 -
03:12 IControl: no its not offset things
03:12 Remus: Well , it's odd place for me, i guess i can keep it like it is, but if someone walk me about it
03:12 Remus: i will surely add some
03:12 IControl:
03:13 Remus: Because it makes difference with 00:17:712 (17,18,19,20) - part cause of that don's emphasizing of music's tonality changing
03:13 Remus: at those ticks you pointed
03:13 Remus: Idea is good tho
03:13 IControl:
03:13 IControl: 00:43:365 -
03:13 IControl: there are alot of 1/2 notes here
03:14 IControl: maybe it could be a little bit denser
03:14 IControl: it is an inner oni after all
03:14 Remus: Hm
03:14 Remus: You know, i like consistency, so i forgot about mapping some empty sounds to fill density
03:15 Remus: Actually, it's inner oni only because of second part of the map
03:15 Remus: Got to be true
03:15 Remus: But in therms of rhythmics
03:15 IControl: thats the promble actually
03:15 IControl: the 2nd part of the map came out of nowhere
03:15 IControl: triples into a death stream didnt really flow well imo
03:16 Remus: This part very intensive
03:16 IControl: the 2nd part is good but the 1st part doesnt really support it if you know what i mean
03:16 Remus: I was supposed to give player a rest here
03:16 Remus: So put triples
03:16 Remus: Ye
03:16 Remus: I got it
03:16 Remus: Just do not know how to properly fill that lack of density
03:16 IControl: i was ganna help with that
03:17 Remus: Oh, okay
03:17 Remus: Let's try
03:17 IControl: i was thinking it might be a sturcture issue
03:17 Remus: 1 sec, i'll make backup to not forget to get back if some case
03:17 IControl: which could casuse alot of remaping D:
03:17 IControl: ok
03:17 Remus: Done
03:18 Remus: Just 1 sec more LUL
03:18 Remus: mosquito
03:18 IControl: i hate those things
03:18 IControl: ok so
03:18 IControl: tell me if you like this pattern
03:18 Remus: Fine, i am ready
03:18 IControl: 00:44:615 - add d here
03:18 IControl: 00:44:948 (195) -
03:18 IControl: remove
03:19 IControl: to bring out this note00:44:865 (194) -
03:19 IControl: 00:45:115 - add k here
03:19 IControl: 00:44:865 (194) - this could be k now i guess
03:20 Remus: The problem only is in 00:44:698 (200,201,202,203) -
03:20 IControl: tell me now if you dont like to suggest similar patterns like this
03:20 Remus: So much kats without contrasting
03:20 Remus: But sounds are different here
03:21 Remus: Hm, let me think
03:21 IControl: isnt the kats following the guitar at00:45:032 -
03:21 IControl: and 00:44:698 -
03:22 Remus: 00:44:698 (200,201) - clearly different except guitar
03:22 Remus: But main instrument in this part are drums
03:22 Remus: Aaaa, so hard
03:22 Remus: Hahaha
03:22 Remus: Can't decide
03:23 IControl: i think its a good pattern
03:23 IControl: it also brings out the density
03:23 IControl: maybe you could change the kats and don if you dont agree
03:24 Remus: 00:44:532 (198,199) - i think that it really should be dk
03:24 IControl: that works
03:25 IControl: maybe this could be d
03:25 IControl: 00:45:032 (195) -
03:25 IControl: 00:50:282 - add a note here?
03:25 Remus: 00:45:365 (204,205) - i should ctrl+g them lol
03:26 Remus: 00:50:282 - it's already here
03:26 Remus: don triple
03:26 IControl: 00:45:532 - but the symbol crash is on here
03:27 Remus: 00:45:365 (204) - then keep it kat?
03:27 IControl: yeah no fisher on that
03:27 Remus: Cause it sound like kat
03:27 Remus: not don
03:27 IControl: and make 00:45:532 (199) - a D
03:27 Remus: But emphasizing is worse then D:
03:27 IControl: so k D
03:27 Remus: Oh, fine
03:27 Remus: Thanks
03:28 IControl: 00:45:532 (199) - 00:54:532 -
03:28 IControl: wops
03:28 IControl: 00:54:532 -
03:28 IControl: you have to change this part too
03:29 IControl: to what you mapped b4
03:29 Remus: kkd d?
03:29 IControl: 00:58:198 - this could be k
03:29 Remus: 00:54:865 (262,263,264,265) -
03:29 IControl: yeah that sound good
03:30 IControl: 01:00:282 - add a note here too
03:30 Remus: 00:58:198 - i think i'll keep it
03:31 Remus: 01:00:282 - if i put here don
03:31 Remus: Won't be 3 ddd triples here?
03:31 Remus: I mean it's a bit boring maybe for player
03:31 IControl: you could make it kkd
03:32 IControl: 01:00:198 -
03:32 IControl: 01:01:032 - and this could be k
03:32 IControl: to go with high guitair
03:33 IControl: 01:09:865 (354,355) -
03:33 IControl: maybe remove these notes
03:33 IControl: to map to the durms
03:33 IControl: this part sounded like it had to many 1/1 notes
03:34 Remus: 01:09:198 - i think i will make a gap here
03:34 Remus: Better then
03:34 IControl: ok some gap would nice here
03:35 IControl: kai time needs more notes to imo
03:36 Remus: I'll find some places, i guess
03:36 IControl: nvm kai time is ok
03:36 Remus: Oh, okay then
03:37 IControl: its to hard to find more notes in this kai time lol
03:37 Remus: Well , good for me then \:D/
03:37 IControl: 01:39:282 -
03:38 IControl: you could add notes here to follow that last sturcture
03:38 IControl: and make it a bit harder to play
03:38 Remus: Hm
03:38 Remus: You are right, ye
03:38 Remus: Oh
03:38 Remus: Continue to write
03:38 Remus: I need to go for 3-4 minutes
03:39 IControl: ok
03:39 IControl: add note here 01:43:615 -
03:39 IControl: 01:45:448 -
03:40 IControl: 01:45:615 -
03:40 IControl: sorry not here 01:45:615 -
03:40 IControl: 01:46:782 -
03:41 IControl: 01:47:448 -
03:42 IControl: 01:48:865 (604) - you could remove this note to empahise these two notes 01:48:698 - and 01:49:032 -
03:43 IControl: 01:49:948 - don't for get to match the pattern sturcture we made b4
03:44 IControl: 01:51:282 -
03:44 Remus: Fixed some things
03:44 Remus: 01:51:581 - is strange place btw
03:44 Remus: There is double here
03:44 Remus: But it will be alone, so i decided to put here triple
03:45 IControl: 01:58:032 - this could be mapped too
03:45 IControl: since its an inner oni you don't need that many breaks
03:45 Remus: I leave it empty to not break emphasizing of drums
03:45 IControl: and its only 1/2 notes
03:46 IControl: thats ok i guess
03:46 Remus: But i will remember that, thanks
03:46 IControl: still feels more weird that you didnt map it tho
03:46 IControl: 01:58:865 -
03:46 IControl: this part is very simillar to first part
03:46 IControl: im not going over it again lol
03:47 IControl: 02:09:532 -
03:47 IControl: this part i think you should up the denisty again
03:47 IControl: 02:11:615 (750) - this could be k
03:48 IControl: to match fast guitair sounds
03:48 IControl: am i going to fast?
03:48 Remus: No
03:48 Remus: It's right
03:48 Remus: I just thinking
03:49 IControl: well you could add three triples now lol
03:49 IControl: like at this part
03:49 IControl: 02:13:615 -
03:49 IControl: 02:13:948 -
03:50 Remus: Hm
03:50 Remus: I guess i leave it for other's mention
03:51 Remus: I am really not fan of filling empty sounds, so i need much motivation to do that
03:51 IControl: i noticed lol
03:51 IControl: 02:51:365 -
03:51 IControl: but pleas add some triples here
03:51 IControl: 1/2 notes to streams are very hard to do lol
03:52 Remus: 02:51:948 - 02:52:615 -
03:52 IControl: maybe remove this 02:53:782 (1013) -
03:52 Remus: I don't mind of that dons
03:53 IControl: just so players could brace them self the stream
03:53 Remus: 02:53:448 - 02:53:615 - what do you think of just making here gaps?
03:53 IControl: that works too
03:54 Remus: Done
03:54 IControl: 02:56:282 - might have to remove this note
03:54 IControl: not sure tho
03:54 IControl: 02:59:198 - you could keep streaming here lol
03:55 IControl: just change the pattern to more dones like you already have
03:55 IControl: also you could remove this note
03:55 IControl: 02:58:948 (1071) -
03:56 IControl: and add note here 02:59:115 -
03:56 IControl: cuz the stream starts here02:59:032 -
03:57 Remus: Hm
03:57 Remus: That one i leave
03:57 Remus: But rest is fine
03:57 IControl: 04:02:032 - remove these 1/6
03:57 IControl: kinda random lol
03:57 IControl: dont really fit map
03:58 Remus: Oh, that one is hard
03:58 Remus: As one as in the end
03:58 Remus: Not sure
03:58 Remus: Need to tell with BN about it
03:58 Remus: D:
03:58 IControl: they will make you remove turst me
03:58 IControl: but you could ask
03:58 IControl: cuz this is the only 1/6 in the whole map
03:58 IControl: and its not nesscary
03:59 Remus: True, this is my idea
03:59 Remus: Just want to make it for better variability
03:59 Remus: But if we took this one
03:59 Remus: And one in the end
03:59 Remus: 05:08:282 -
04:00 Remus: The first one is clearly better, than second
04:00 Remus: For me only second one is odd a bit, but follows the music
04:00 Remus: Idk, so hard things, hahaha
04:00 IControl: i would remove both of them
04:00 IControl: but its tricky
04:01 IControl: ok well i think i modded everything now
04:01 IControl: that i thought was an issue
04:01 Remus: Oh man
04:01 Remus: That was AWESOME mod
04:01 Remus: In therms of quality and size
04:01 Remus: Thanks a lot
04:02 Remus: Put it on forum
04:02 IControl: i feel bad that i couldnt figure out some parts